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      <title>Episode 62: The one where we talk about AI</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We finally have the in depth discussion about LLMs, how we use them, and what we think they might evolve into. We also touch on starting to pay more and more for stuff.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We finally have the in depth discussion about LLMs, how we use them, and what we think they might evolve into. We also touch on starting to pay more and more for stuff.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 61: Keep your database close</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>It's side project time! Urban talks about moving a project from Heroku to fly.io and Monica starts volunteering her time to keep motivated.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's side project time! Urban talks about moving a project from Heroku to fly.io and Monica starts volunteering her time to stay motivated.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/fountainpencompanion/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">FPC Github repository</a></li>
<li>[fly.io](fly.io)</li>
<li><a href="https://fly.io/docs/litefs/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">LiteFS</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/pgvector/pgvector" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pgvector</a></li>
<li><a href="https://vostel.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Vostel</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freetown Christiania</a></li>
<li><hr></li>
<li><p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>It's side project time! Urban talks about moving a project from Heroku to fly.io and Monica starts volunteering her time to stay motivated.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/fountainpencompanion/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">FPC Github repository</a></li>
<li>[fly.io](fly.io)</li>
<li><a href="https://fly.io/docs/litefs/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">LiteFS</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/pgvector/pgvector" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pgvector</a></li>
<li><a href="https://vostel.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Vostel</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freetown Christiania</a></li>
<li><hr></li>
<li><p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's side project time! Urban talks about moving a project from Heroku to fly.io and Monica starts volunteering her time to stay motivated.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/fountainpencompanion/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">FPC Github repository</a></li>
<li>[fly.io](fly.io)</li>
<li><a href="https://fly.io/docs/litefs/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">LiteFS</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/pgvector/pgvector" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pgvector</a></li>
<li><a href="https://vostel.de/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Vostel</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freetown Christiania</a></li>
<li><hr></li>
<li><p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 60: Everyone is sick</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Urban gets his AWS certificate and we discuss certifications in general and what they are good for. Especially in a B2B world. We also talk about project management and how no one seems to be in charge in a lot of places, as well as LLM generated code as yet another level of abstraction.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/?id=146" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Roles and Responsibilities retro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/b554727d-69c4-4427-b66b-285f39f8b959" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Trillions by Robin Wigglesworth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Dreamweaver" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Dreamweaver</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JpGhctWpU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">AI Won't Fix the Fundamental Flaw of Programming</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Urban gets his AWS certificate and we discuss certifications in general and what they are good for. Especially in a B2B world. We also talk about project management and how no one seems to be in charge in a lot of places, as well as LLM generated code as yet another level of abstraction.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/?id=146" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Roles and Responsibilities retro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/b554727d-69c4-4427-b66b-285f39f8b959" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Trillions by Robin Wigglesworth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Dreamweaver" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Dreamweaver</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JpGhctWpU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">AI Won't Fix the Fundamental Flaw of Programming</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Urban gets his AWS certificate and we discuss certifications in general and what they are good for. Especially in a B2B world. We also talk about project management and how no one seems to be in charge in a lot of places, as well as LLM generated code as yet another level of abstraction.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/?id=146" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Roles and Responsibilities retro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://app.thestorygraph.com/books/b554727d-69c4-4427-b66b-285f39f8b959" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Trillions by Robin Wigglesworth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Dreamweaver" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Dreamweaver</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JpGhctWpU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">AI Won't Fix the Fundamental Flaw of Programming</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/nirnaeth.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Bluesky: <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/urbanhafner.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@urbanhafner.bsky.social</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 59: Asking why</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2024 09:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss meeting in person, thinking about architecture, and most importantly finding out the WHY for things.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Mark-Richards/dp/1492043451" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fundamentals of Software Architecture</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/W7Krz__jJUg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How to think like an architect</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fundamentalsofsoftwarearchitecture.com/katas/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Architectural Katas</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss meeting in person, thinking about architecture, and most importantly finding out the WHY for things.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Mark-Richards/dp/1492043451" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fundamentals of Software Architecture</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/W7Krz__jJUg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How to think like an architect</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fundamentalsofsoftwarearchitecture.com/katas/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Architectural Katas</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss meeting in person, thinking about architecture, and most importantly finding out the WHY for things.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Mark-Richards/dp/1492043451" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fundamentals of Software Architecture</a><br></li>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/W7Krz__jJUg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How to think like an architect</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fundamentalsofsoftwarearchitecture.com/katas/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Architectural Katas</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 58: We use a spreadsheet for running retros</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/58</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2024 09:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss LLMs, writing blog posts, running retros (in spreadsheets!), Shape Up and other processes. We end by asking YOU (the listener) to get back to us with what process you are using and if it works for you or not.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:22</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss LLMs, writing blog posts, running retros (in spreadsheets!), Shape Up and other processes. We end by asking YOU (the listener) to get back to us with what process you are using and if it works for you or not.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://urbanhafner.com/2024/09/20/using-a-llm-to-fight-spam/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Using a LLM to fight spam</a></li>
<li><a href="https://maintainable.fm/episodes/obie-fernandez-pioneering-ai-in-ruby-on-rails-development" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Obie Fernandez: Pioneering AI in Ruby on Rails Development</a></li>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Retromat</a></li>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/?id=135" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Avoiding Waste retro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/shapeup" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Shape Up™</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss LLMs, writing blog posts, running retros (in spreadsheets!), Shape Up and other processes. We end by asking YOU (the listener) to get back to us with what process you are using and if it works for you or not.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://urbanhafner.com/2024/09/20/using-a-llm-to-fight-spam/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Using a LLM to fight spam</a></li>
<li><a href="https://maintainable.fm/episodes/obie-fernandez-pioneering-ai-in-ruby-on-rails-development" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Obie Fernandez: Pioneering AI in Ruby on Rails Development</a></li>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Retromat</a></li>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/?id=135" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Avoiding Waste retro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/shapeup" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Shape Up™</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss LLMs, writing blog posts, running retros (in spreadsheets!), Shape Up and other processes. We end by asking YOU (the listener) to get back to us with what process you are using and if it works for you or not.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://urbanhafner.com/2024/09/20/using-a-llm-to-fight-spam/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Using a LLM to fight spam</a></li>
<li><a href="https://maintainable.fm/episodes/obie-fernandez-pioneering-ai-in-ruby-on-rails-development" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Obie Fernandez: Pioneering AI in Ruby on Rails Development</a></li>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Retromat</a></li>
<li><a href="https://retromat.org/en/?id=135" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Avoiding Waste retro</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/shapeup" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Shape Up™</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 57: Software adulting</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/57</link>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about certifications and how they are somehow similar to hiring, cheating during interviews, and the pitfalls of employee surveys.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>37:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about certifications and how they are somehow similar to hiring, cheating during interviews, and the pitfalls of employee surveys.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Goodhart’s law</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about certifications and how they are somehow similar to hiring, cheating during interviews, and the pitfalls of employee surveys.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Goodhart’s law</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about certifications and how they are somehow similar to hiring, cheating during interviews, and the pitfalls of employee surveys.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Goodhart’s law</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 56: Switching jobs</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/56</link>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2024 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>It's been a hot minute since the last episode and a lot has happened. Urban and Monica discuss their new jobs, getting fired, and of course LLMs!</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>48:29</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>It's been a hot minute since the last episode and a lot has happened. Urban and Monica discuss their new jobs, getting fired, and of course LLMs!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/10-new-pen-and-ink-suggestion-widget-now-with-ai" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/10-new-pen-and-ink-suggestion-widget-now-with-ai</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://cursor.sh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://cursor.sh/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>It's been a hot minute since the last episode and a lot has happened. Urban and Monica discuss their new jobs, getting fired, and of course LLMs!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/10-new-pen-and-ink-suggestion-widget-now-with-ai" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/10-new-pen-and-ink-suggestion-widget-now-with-ai</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://cursor.sh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://cursor.sh/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's been a hot minute since the last episode and a lot has happened. Urban and Monica discuss their new jobs, getting fired, and of course LLMs!</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/10-new-pen-and-ink-suggestion-widget-now-with-ai" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/10-new-pen-and-ink-suggestion-widget-now-with-ai</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://cursor.sh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://cursor.sh/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 55: Approaching things with curiosity</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/55</link>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2023 10:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Urban tells about his new job, and how it's quite different than the previous one. Monica thinks about her future and what kind of job to do next.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>52:27</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban tells about his new job, and how it's quite different than the previous one. Monica thinks about her future and what kind of job to do next.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MartijnDoolaard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Martijn Doolaard</a> (renovating in the Italian Alps)</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban tells about his new job, and how it's quite different than the previous one. Monica thinks about her future and what kind of job to do next.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MartijnDoolaard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Martijn Doolaard</a> (renovating in the Italian Alps)</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban tells about his new job, and how it's quite different than the previous one. Monica thinks about her future and what kind of job to do next.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MartijnDoolaard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Martijn Doolaard</a> (renovating in the Italian Alps)</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></li>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 54: I am YOLO releasing</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/54</link>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2023 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Urban is just chilling, but Monica is trying to help her team to be less scared about releasing to production and maybe ... maybe go back to being a developer ... at some point.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:16</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban is just chilling, but Monica is trying to help her team to be less scared about releasing to production and maybe ... maybe go back to being a developer ... at some point.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.cypress.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Cypress</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban is just chilling, but Monica is trying to help her team to be less scared about releasing to production and maybe ... maybe go back to being a developer ... at some point.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.cypress.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Cypress</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban is just chilling, but Monica is trying to help her team to be less scared about releasing to production and maybe ... maybe go back to being a developer ... at some point.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.cypress.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Cypress</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 53: I Am The Mother Of The Team</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/53</link>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Urban talks about resigning and what to do for the remaining time and how different notice periods can affect offboarding. Monica is looking for contractors (let her know where to look!) and thinks about the similarities and differences when working for small or big companies.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:17</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
      <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/a/a6f879be-e95e-43a2-9a41-c53f218e1971/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban talks about resigning and what to do for the remaining time and how different notice periods can affect offboarding. Monica is looking for contractors (let her know where to look!) and thinks about the similarities and differences when working for small or big companies.</p>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Urban talks about resigning and what to do for the remaining time and how different notice periods can affect offboarding. Monica is looking for contractors (let her know where to look!) and thinks about the similarities and differences when working for small or big companies.</p>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban talks about resigning and what to do for the remaining time and how different notice periods can affect offboarding. Monica is looking for contractors (let her know where to look!) and thinks about the similarities and differences when working for small or big companies.</p>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 52: Even This Guy Is Human</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/52</link>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2023 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss rubyday 2023, taking care of large applications, testing strategies for startups, and the dearth of practical literature around startups in general.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:17</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss rubyday 2023, taking care of large applications, testing strategies for startups, and the dearth of practical literature around startups in general.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://2023.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">rubyday 2023</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ppmetr2/metaprogramming-ruby-2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Metaprogramming Ruby 2</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ruby5/programming-ruby-3-2-5th-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Programming Ruby</a> (Pickaxe book)</li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/tpp20/the-pragmatic-programmer-20th-anniversary-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pragmatic Programmer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Shopify/packwerk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">packwerk</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.worx4you.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Testing | worx4you Inc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://scratch.mit.edu/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scratch from MIT</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.libgosu.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Gosu</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pygame-zero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">PyGame Zero</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DieQuieckerbande" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Guinea Pig YouTube channel</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss rubyday 2023, taking care of large applications, testing strategies for startups, and the dearth of practical literature around startups in general.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://2023.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">rubyday 2023</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ppmetr2/metaprogramming-ruby-2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Metaprogramming Ruby 2</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ruby5/programming-ruby-3-2-5th-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Programming Ruby</a> (Pickaxe book)</li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/tpp20/the-pragmatic-programmer-20th-anniversary-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pragmatic Programmer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Shopify/packwerk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">packwerk</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.worx4you.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Testing | worx4you Inc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://scratch.mit.edu/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scratch from MIT</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.libgosu.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Gosu</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pygame-zero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">PyGame Zero</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DieQuieckerbande" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Guinea Pig YouTube channel</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss rubyday 2023, taking care of large applications, testing strategies for startups, and the dearth of practical literature around startups in general.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://2023.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">rubyday 2023</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ppmetr2/metaprogramming-ruby-2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Metaprogramming Ruby 2</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ruby5/programming-ruby-3-2-5th-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Programming Ruby</a> (Pickaxe book)</li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/tpp20/the-pragmatic-programmer-20th-anniversary-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pragmatic Programmer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/Shopify/packwerk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">packwerk</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.worx4you.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software Testing | worx4you Inc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://scratch.mit.edu/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scratch from MIT</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.libgosu.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Gosu</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pygame-zero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">PyGame Zero</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DieQuieckerbande" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Guinea Pig YouTube channel</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 51: We have come out of hibernation</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/51</link>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2023 16:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Monica and Urban discuss what they've been up to in the last six months.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>53:25</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss what they've been up to in the last six months.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOe_6vuaR_s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why Construction Projects Always Go Over Budget</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It! by Michael Nygard</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engmanagement.dev/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Engineering Management for the Rest of Us by Sarah Drasner</a></li>
<li><a href="https://press.stripe.com/an-elegant-puzzle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">An Elegant Puzzle: Systems of Engineering Management by Will Larson</a></li>
<li>Listener question: <a href="https://masto.ai/@edebill@wandering.shop/109501793033994252" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://masto.ai/@edebill@wandering.shop/109501793033994252</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss what they've been up to in the last six months.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOe_6vuaR_s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why Construction Projects Always Go Over Budget</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It! by Michael Nygard</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engmanagement.dev/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Engineering Management for the Rest of Us by Sarah Drasner</a></li>
<li><a href="https://press.stripe.com/an-elegant-puzzle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">An Elegant Puzzle: Systems of Engineering Management by Will Larson</a></li>
<li>Listener question: <a href="https://masto.ai/@edebill@wandering.shop/109501793033994252" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://masto.ai/@edebill@wandering.shop/109501793033994252</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss what they've been up to in the last six months.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOe_6vuaR_s" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why Construction Projects Always Go Over Budget</a></li>
<li><a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It! by Michael Nygard</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.engmanagement.dev/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Engineering Management for the Rest of Us by Sarah Drasner</a></li>
<li><a href="https://press.stripe.com/an-elegant-puzzle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">An Elegant Puzzle: Systems of Engineering Management by Will Larson</a></li>
<li>Listener question: <a href="https://masto.ai/@edebill@wandering.shop/109501793033994252" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://masto.ai/@edebill@wandering.shop/109501793033994252</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 50: Make It As Easy As Possible</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/50</link>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>We are reminiscing about doing 49 episodes, as well as answer listener questions! </itunes:subtitle>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are reminiscing about doing 49 episodes, as well as answer listener questions! </p>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are reminiscing about doing 49 episodes, as well as answer listener questions! </p>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are reminiscing about doing 49 episodes, as well as answer listener questions! </p>

<hr>

<p><strong>Ask questions via our <a href="https://forms.gle/MW8qZFD7RLYriqKj8" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anonymous feedback form</a></strong></p>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://masto.ai/@ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh@masto.ai</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 49: I quit!</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/49</link>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2022 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Urban's company got acquired and Monica quits her job!</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:13</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban's company got acquired and Monica quits her job!</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban's company got acquired and Monica quits her job!</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Urban's company got acquired and Monica quits her job!</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Mastodon: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@nirnaeth@mastodon.online" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth@mastodon.online</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 48: User stories are supposed to burn in hell</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/48</link>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Monica gets on her soapbox to complain about (the misuse of) user stories, rethinking processes in JIRA. We also discuss making decisions in big groups.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mountaingoatsoftware.com/blog/job-stories-offer-a-viable-alternative-to-user-stories" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Job Stories Offer a Viable Alternative to User Stories</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica gets on her soapbox to complain about (the misuse of) user stories, rethinking processes in JIRA. We also discuss making decisions in big groups.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mountaingoatsoftware.com/blog/job-stories-offer-a-viable-alternative-to-user-stories" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Job Stories Offer a Viable Alternative to User Stories</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mountaingoatsoftware.com/blog/job-stories-offer-a-viable-alternative-to-user-stories" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Job Stories Offer a Viable Alternative to User Stories</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 47: This is better than having a surprise</title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss OKRs, release testing, and Urban's side project.</p>

<ul>
<li>Urban’s side project

<ul>
<li><a href="https://fpc.ink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://fpc.ink</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/users/ujh/projects/2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Github project for future development</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss OKRs, release testing, and Urban's side project.</p>

<ul>
<li>Urban’s side project

<ul>
<li><a href="https://fpc.ink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://fpc.ink</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/users/ujh/projects/2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Github project for future development</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss OKRs, release testing, and Urban's side project.</p>

<ul>
<li>Urban’s side project

<ul>
<li><a href="https://fpc.ink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://fpc.ink</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/users/ujh/projects/2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Github project for future development</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 46: You have to feel the pain</title>
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      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how successful side projects require the same to scale than actual companies, but on a smaller scale, what to do as a manager when your team suddenly has a project manager, as well as release testing.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.getxray.app/test-management" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Xray</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how successful side projects require the same to scale than actual companies, but on a smaller scale, what to do as a manager when your team suddenly has a project manager, as well as release testing.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.getxray.app/test-management" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Xray</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how successful side projects require the same to scale than actual companies, but on a smaller scale, what to do as a manager when your team suddenly has a project manager, as well as release testing.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.getxray.app/test-management" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Xray</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 45: The chances of you being 80% right are very slim</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/45</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2022 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss Urban's appearances on other podcasts (that you should listen to!) as well as Monica handling layoffs from the point of view of a manager.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>37:12</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss Urban's appearances on other podcasts (that you should listen to!) as well as Monica handling layoffs from the point of view of a manager.</p>

<ul>
<li>On the maintainable podcast with Robby Russel: <a href="https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone</a></li>
<li>On the Code With Jason podcast: <a href="https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss Urban's appearances on other podcasts (that you should listen to!) as well as Monica handling layoffs from the point of view of a manager.</p>

<ul>
<li>On the maintainable podcast with Robby Russel: <a href="https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone</a></li>
<li>On the Code With Jason podcast: <a href="https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss Urban's appearances on other podcasts (that you should listen to!) as well as Monica handling layoffs from the point of view of a manager.</p>

<ul>
<li>On the maintainable podcast with Robby Russel: <a href="https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.maintainable.fm/episodes/urban-hafner-management-isnt-for-everyone</a></li>
<li>On the Code With Jason podcast: <a href="https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.codewithjason.com/podcast/10785120-150-urban-hafner/</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 44: Everybody is doing architecture!</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 20:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Where we talk about system design, architecture, roadmapping, and stakeholder alignment. While having a cold.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>architecture, system design, roadmapping, technical debt, stakeholder alignment</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 43: We cannot wait anymore - we have to do something!</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2022 17:45:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss introducing OKRs and working on tech debt.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss introducing OKRs and working on tech debt.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss introducing OKRs and working on tech debt.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 42: Side projects - You can either learn or build something</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/42</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2022 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss Urban's side projects and why side projects are useful for you as a developer.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss Urban's side projects and why side projects are useful for you as a developer.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The game of Go</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/iomrascalai" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Urban’s AI for the game of Go in Rust</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fpc.ink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/hamcrest-rust" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hamcrest-rust</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss Urban's side projects and why side projects are useful for you as a developer.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The game of Go</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/iomrascalai" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Urban’s AI for the game of Go in Rust</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fpc.ink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/hamcrest-rust" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hamcrest-rust</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss Urban's side projects and why side projects are useful for you as a developer.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The game of Go</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/iomrascalai" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Urban’s AI for the game of Go in Rust</a></li>
<li><a href="https://fpc.ink" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/ujh/hamcrest-rust" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hamcrest-rust</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 41: Agile methods are training wheels</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/41</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2022 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about agile coaches, decision making in self-organizing teams, and rehearsing "big bang" migrations.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>48:32</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about agile coaches, decision making in self-organizing teams, and rehearsing "big bang" migrations.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://agilemanifesto.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Manifesto for Agile Software Development</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_and_calling" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pointing and calling</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about agile coaches, decision making in self-organizing teams, and rehearsing "big bang" migrations.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://agilemanifesto.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Manifesto for Agile Software Development</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_and_calling" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pointing and calling</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about agile coaches, decision making in self-organizing teams, and rehearsing "big bang" migrations.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://agilemanifesto.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Manifesto for Agile Software Development</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_and_calling" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pointing and calling</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 40: We all fear losing control, right?</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/40</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2022 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:duration>42:29</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about improving communication and what it takes to improve your time management and delegation skills.</p>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="https://twitter.com/shreyas/status/1492345140492472321" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Time Management Advice for Product Managers</a> by Shreyas Doshi<br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about improving communication and what it takes to improve your time management and delegation skills.</p>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="https://twitter.com/shreyas/status/1492345140492472321" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Time Management Advice for Product Managers</a> by Shreyas Doshi<br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about improving communication and what it takes to improve your time management and delegation skills.</p>

<ul>
<li><p><a href="https://twitter.com/shreyas/status/1492345140492472321" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Time Management Advice for Product Managers</a> by Shreyas Doshi<br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 39: I have a very senior team. What do I do about it?</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/39</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2022 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we are continuing the discussion on ADRs and the prioritization of technical topics in general as well as the role of managers in mature teams and how even knowing someone just a little bit makes everything so much easier.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>40:55</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we are continuing the discussion on ADRs and the prioritization of technical topics in general as well as the role of managers in mature teams and how even knowing someone just a little bit makes everything so much easier.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12842828-keeper-of-the-lost-cities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Keeper of the Lost Cities</a> by Shannon Messenger</li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16158601-turn-the-ship-around" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Turn the ship around</a> by David Marquet<br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we are continuing the discussion on ADRs and the prioritization of technical topics in general as well as the role of managers in mature teams and how even knowing someone just a little bit makes everything so much easier.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12842828-keeper-of-the-lost-cities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Keeper of the Lost Cities</a> by Shannon Messenger</li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16158601-turn-the-ship-around" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Turn the ship around</a> by David Marquet<br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we are continuing the discussion on ADRs and the prioritization of technical topics in general as well as the role of managers in mature teams and how even knowing someone just a little bit makes everything so much easier.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12842828-keeper-of-the-lost-cities" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Keeper of the Lost Cities</a> by Shannon Messenger</li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16158601-turn-the-ship-around" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Turn the ship around</a> by David Marquet<br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 38: This in not a book podcast!</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/38</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss our Christmas break, books, and how to structure work when the engineering department is growing fast.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:22</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss our Christmas break, books, and how to structure work when the engineering department is growing fast.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38459780-the-books-of-earthsea" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Books of Earthsea</a> by Ursula Le Guin</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_Hand_of_Darkness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Left Hand of Darkness</a> by Ursula Le Guin</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_description" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Design Doc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://18f.gsa.gov/2021/07/06/architecture_decision_records_helpful_now_invaluable_later/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Architecture Decision Record</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss our Christmas break, books, and how to structure work when the engineering department is growing fast.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38459780-the-books-of-earthsea" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Books of Earthsea</a> by Ursula Le Guin</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_Hand_of_Darkness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Left Hand of Darkness</a> by Ursula Le Guin</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_description" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Design Doc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://18f.gsa.gov/2021/07/06/architecture_decision_records_helpful_now_invaluable_later/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Architecture Decision Record</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss our Christmas break, books, and how to structure work when the engineering department is growing fast.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38459780-the-books-of-earthsea" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Books of Earthsea</a> by Ursula Le Guin</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_Hand_of_Darkness" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Left Hand of Darkness</a> by Ursula Le Guin</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_description" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Design Doc</a></li>
<li><a href="https://18f.gsa.gov/2021/07/06/architecture_decision_records_helpful_now_invaluable_later/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Architecture Decision Record</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 37: I offered chocolates</title>
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      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we revisit 360 reviews, navigating the German e-healthcare system, and dealing with surprises.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>44:48</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we revisit 360 reviews, navigating the German e-healthcare system, and dealing with surprises.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/situation-behavior-impact-feedback.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Situation Behavior Impact feedback model</a></li>
<li><a href="https://open-telekom-cloud.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Open Telekom Cloud</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we revisit 360 reviews, navigating the German e-healthcare system, and dealing with surprises.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/situation-behavior-impact-feedback.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Situation Behavior Impact feedback model</a></li>
<li><a href="https://open-telekom-cloud.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Open Telekom Cloud</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we revisit 360 reviews, navigating the German e-healthcare system, and dealing with surprises.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/situation-behavior-impact-feedback.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Situation Behavior Impact feedback model</a></li>
<li><a href="https://open-telekom-cloud.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Open Telekom Cloud</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 36: You're so good that  we will make you stop writing code</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2021 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss the differences between working remotely and meeting in person. We also talk about the career path(s) of software developers that do not want to become managers.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>38:35</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the differences between working remotely and meeting in person. We also talk about the career path(s) of software developers that do not want to become managers.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://stationeryadjacent.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Stationery Adjacent</a> podcast</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the differences between working remotely and meeting in person. We also talk about the career path(s) of software developers that do not want to become managers.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://stationeryadjacent.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Stationery Adjacent</a> podcast</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the differences between working remotely and meeting in person. We also talk about the career path(s) of software developers that do not want to become managers.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://stationeryadjacent.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Stationery Adjacent</a> podcast</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 35: Shadow 360 review</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about one on ones, 360 reviews, and performance reviews.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>31:57</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about one on ones, 360 reviews, and performance reviews.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.thebalancecareers.com/360-degree-feedback-information-1917537" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">360 reviews</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cultureamp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Culture Amp</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about one on ones, 360 reviews, and performance reviews.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.thebalancecareers.com/360-degree-feedback-information-1917537" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">360 reviews</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cultureamp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Culture Amp</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about one on ones, 360 reviews, and performance reviews.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.thebalancecareers.com/360-degree-feedback-information-1917537" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">360 reviews</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.cultureamp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Culture Amp</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 34: How long does it take to build a dog house?</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/34</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about estimations ... again.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>44:20</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about estimations ... again.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://managingup.show/episodes/ae6a210b" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Managing Up: Where Everything is Made Up and the Points Don’t Matter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13629.The_Mythical_Man_Month" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Mythical Man Month</a> by Frederick P. Brooks Jr.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/665153.Waltzing_with_Bears" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Waltzing with Bears</a> by Tom DeMarco, Timothy R. Lister</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53104134-software-estimation-without-guessing" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software estimation without guessing</a> by George Dinwiddie</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/444653" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How to Measure Anything</a> by Douglas W. Hubbard</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about estimations ... again.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://managingup.show/episodes/ae6a210b" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Managing Up: Where Everything is Made Up and the Points Don’t Matter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13629.The_Mythical_Man_Month" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Mythical Man Month</a> by Frederick P. Brooks Jr.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/665153.Waltzing_with_Bears" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Waltzing with Bears</a> by Tom DeMarco, Timothy R. Lister</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53104134-software-estimation-without-guessing" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software estimation without guessing</a> by George Dinwiddie</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/444653" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How to Measure Anything</a> by Douglas W. Hubbard</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about estimations ... again.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://managingup.show/episodes/ae6a210b" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Managing Up: Where Everything is Made Up and the Points Don’t Matter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13629.The_Mythical_Man_Month" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Mythical Man Month</a> by Frederick P. Brooks Jr.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/665153.Waltzing_with_Bears" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Waltzing with Bears</a> by Tom DeMarco, Timothy R. Lister</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53104134-software-estimation-without-guessing" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Software estimation without guessing</a> by George Dinwiddie</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/444653" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How to Measure Anything</a> by Douglas W. Hubbard</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 33: If you are out there, come to us!</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/33</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss everything around internationalization of a product and an organization as well as the job of a product owner (and the lack of one on Monica's team).</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:58</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss everything around internationalization of a product and an organization as well as the job of a product owner (and the lack of one on Monica's team).</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://cheese.com/quark/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Quark</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42611483-escaping-the-build-trap" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Escaping the Build Trap</a> by Melissa Perri </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss everything around internationalization of a product and an organization as well as the job of a product owner (and the lack of one on Monica's team).</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://cheese.com/quark/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Quark</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42611483-escaping-the-build-trap" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Escaping the Build Trap</a> by Melissa Perri </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss everything around internationalization of a product and an organization as well as the job of a product owner (and the lack of one on Monica's team).</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://cheese.com/quark/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Quark</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42611483-escaping-the-build-trap" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Escaping the Build Trap</a> by Melissa Perri </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 32: With a P50 probability</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/32</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss estimations, what they are good for as well as legacy code.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>35:25</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss estimations, what they are good for as well as legacy code.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/ujh/status/1437659817527627778?s=20" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">2000 downloads Tweet</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6843425340065357824/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">2000 downloads on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Mythical Man Month</a></li>
<li><a href="https://forasoft.medium.com/how-can-a-developer-estimate-time-and-effort-eef2904d301c" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How can a developer estimate time and effort?</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.howtomeasureanything.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.howtomeasureanything.com/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss estimations, what they are good for as well as legacy code.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/ujh/status/1437659817527627778?s=20" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">2000 downloads Tweet</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6843425340065357824/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">2000 downloads on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Mythical Man Month</a></li>
<li><a href="https://forasoft.medium.com/how-can-a-developer-estimate-time-and-effort-eef2904d301c" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How can a developer estimate time and effort?</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.howtomeasureanything.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.howtomeasureanything.com/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss estimations, what they are good for as well as legacy code.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/ujh/status/1437659817527627778?s=20" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">2000 downloads Tweet</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6843425340065357824/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">2000 downloads on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Mythical Man Month</a></li>
<li><a href="https://forasoft.medium.com/how-can-a-developer-estimate-time-and-effort-eef2904d301c" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How can a developer estimate time and effort?</a> </li>
<li><a href="https://www.howtomeasureanything.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.howtomeasureanything.com/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>Episode 31: Human-centered leadership (an interview with Franziska Hauck)</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/31</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk to Franziska Hauck about coaching, being a manager, onboarding, and various other topics.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:17:32</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.signavio.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Signavio</a></li>
<li><a href="https://globalcloudteam.com/four-stages-of-team-development-what-you-need-to-know/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Four Stages of Teams</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Misophonia</a></li>
</ul>

<h3>About Franziska</h3>

<p>Franziska Hauck is a coach, consultant and advocate. With her experience as a people lead, she coaches engineering managers, developers and primarily those working in tech. She has consulted startups, content hubs and bootcamp providers. Previously regional lead for the developer relations community programs at Google, she has also worked as a product owner, project manager and community manager. tech (people) {code} is her hub about all things human in tech. From and for project and product people, engineering managers, developers, and all those curious about the people code.</p>

<h3>tech (peolpe) {code} on platforms</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://franziska-hauck.medium.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Medium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://anchor.fm/techpeoplecode" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anchor.fm</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/techpeoplecode/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/techpeoplecode" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/techpeoplecode/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Facebook</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.signavio.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Signavio</a></li>
<li><a href="https://globalcloudteam.com/four-stages-of-team-development-what-you-need-to-know/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Four Stages of Teams</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Misophonia</a></li>
</ul>

<h3>About Franziska</h3>

<p>Franziska Hauck is a coach, consultant and advocate. With her experience as a people lead, she coaches engineering managers, developers and primarily those working in tech. She has consulted startups, content hubs and bootcamp providers. Previously regional lead for the developer relations community programs at Google, she has also worked as a product owner, project manager and community manager. tech (people) {code} is her hub about all things human in tech. From and for project and product people, engineering managers, developers, and all those curious about the people code.</p>

<h3>tech (peolpe) {code} on platforms</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://franziska-hauck.medium.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Medium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://anchor.fm/techpeoplecode" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anchor.fm</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/techpeoplecode/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/techpeoplecode" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/techpeoplecode/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Facebook</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.signavio.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Signavio</a></li>
<li><a href="https://globalcloudteam.com/four-stages-of-team-development-what-you-need-to-know/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Four Stages of Teams</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Misophonia</a></li>
</ul>

<h3>About Franziska</h3>

<p>Franziska Hauck is a coach, consultant and advocate. With her experience as a people lead, she coaches engineering managers, developers and primarily those working in tech. She has consulted startups, content hubs and bootcamp providers. Previously regional lead for the developer relations community programs at Google, she has also worked as a product owner, project manager and community manager. tech (people) {code} is her hub about all things human in tech. From and for project and product people, engineering managers, developers, and all those curious about the people code.</p>

<h3>tech (peolpe) {code} on platforms</h3>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://franziska-hauck.medium.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Medium</a></li>
<li><a href="https://anchor.fm/techpeoplecode" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">anchor.fm</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/techpeoplecode/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/techpeoplecode" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/techpeoplecode/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Facebook</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 30: It was too sunny at the beach</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/30</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss picking jobs based on a tech stack you want to learn, engineering roadmaps, going on holidays, and high performing teams.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:29</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss picking jobs based on a tech stack you want to learn, engineering roadmaps, going on holidays, and high performing teams.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss picking jobs based on a tech stack you want to learn, engineering roadmaps, going on holidays, and high performing teams.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss picking jobs based on a tech stack you want to learn, engineering roadmaps, going on holidays, and high performing teams.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 29: How to approach chaos</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/29</link>
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      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss working in a start-up environment, making hard decisions when prioritizing, and the parallels between architecture and software development.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:47</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss working in a start-up environment, making hard decisions when prioritizing, and the parallels between architecture and software development.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.drift.com/blog/what-is-hypergrowth/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hyper growth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/vcr/vcr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">VCR</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli/status/1419555663982866435" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Tweet about architecture</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38310.How_Buildings_Learn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How Buildings Learn</a> by Steward Brand</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/79766.A_Pattern_Language" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Pattern Language</a> by Christopher Alexander</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss working in a start-up environment, making hard decisions when prioritizing, and the parallels between architecture and software development.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.drift.com/blog/what-is-hypergrowth/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hyper growth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/vcr/vcr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">VCR</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli/status/1419555663982866435" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Tweet about architecture</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38310.How_Buildings_Learn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How Buildings Learn</a> by Steward Brand</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/79766.A_Pattern_Language" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Pattern Language</a> by Christopher Alexander</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss working in a start-up environment, making hard decisions when prioritizing, and the parallels between architecture and software development.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.drift.com/blog/what-is-hypergrowth/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hyper growth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/vcr/vcr" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">VCR</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli/status/1419555663982866435" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Tweet about architecture</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38310.How_Buildings_Learn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How Buildings Learn</a> by Steward Brand</li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/79766.A_Pattern_Language" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Pattern Language</a> by Christopher Alexander</li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 28: Project management should be taught in school</title>
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      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss how Monica is doing in her new job, project management, stakeholder mapping, premortems, and project management.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>40:40</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss how Monica is doing in her new job, project management, stakeholder mapping, premortems, and project management.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.perdoo.com/okr-guide/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">OKRs</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15824358-the-first-90-days?ac=1&amp;from_search=true&amp;qid=ocMNbs7mec&amp;rank=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The First 90 Days</a> by Michael D. Watkins</li>
<li><a href="https://www.projectmanager.com/blog/stakeholder-mapping-guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Stakeholder mapping</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hbr.org/email-newsletters" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Harvard Business Review newsletters</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hbsp.harvard.edu/product/11184-PDF-ENG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">HBR Guide to Project Management</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.atlassian.com/team-playbook/plays/pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Premortem</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss how Monica is doing in her new job, project management, stakeholder mapping, premortems, and project management.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.perdoo.com/okr-guide/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">OKRs</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15824358-the-first-90-days?ac=1&amp;from_search=true&amp;qid=ocMNbs7mec&amp;rank=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The First 90 Days</a> by Michael D. Watkins</li>
<li><a href="https://www.projectmanager.com/blog/stakeholder-mapping-guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Stakeholder mapping</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hbr.org/email-newsletters" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Harvard Business Review newsletters</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hbsp.harvard.edu/product/11184-PDF-ENG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">HBR Guide to Project Management</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.atlassian.com/team-playbook/plays/pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Premortem</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss how Monica is doing in her new job, project management, stakeholder mapping, premortems, and project management.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.perdoo.com/okr-guide/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">OKRs</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15824358-the-first-90-days?ac=1&amp;from_search=true&amp;qid=ocMNbs7mec&amp;rank=1" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The First 90 Days</a> by Michael D. Watkins</li>
<li><a href="https://www.projectmanager.com/blog/stakeholder-mapping-guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Stakeholder mapping</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hbr.org/email-newsletters" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Harvard Business Review newsletters</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hbsp.harvard.edu/product/11184-PDF-ENG" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">HBR Guide to Project Management</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.atlassian.com/team-playbook/plays/pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Premortem</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 27: Random people are people, too</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/27</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss greenfield applications, when they make sense, when they do not, and how to split out parts of an app.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>38:22</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss greenfield applications, when they make sense, when they do not, and how to split out parts of an app.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss greenfield applications, when they make sense, when they do not, and how to split out parts of an app.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss greenfield applications, when they make sense, when they do not, and how to split out parts of an app.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 26: It's so weird to be in a new job</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/26</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>We talk about Monica's new job, how she's approaching new jobs in general, and what management roles a team needs.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:47</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about Monica's new job, how she's approaching new jobs in general, and what management roles a team needs.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15824358-the-first-90-days" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The First 90 Days</a> by Michael D. Watkins</li>
<li>  <a href="https://tacoma.bibliocommons.com/v2/quotation/1127786157" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Shrek Onion quote</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about Monica's new job, how she's approaching new jobs in general, and what management roles a team needs.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15824358-the-first-90-days" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The First 90 Days</a> by Michael D. Watkins</li>
<li>  <a href="https://tacoma.bibliocommons.com/v2/quotation/1127786157" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Shrek Onion quote</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about Monica's new job, how she's approaching new jobs in general, and what management roles a team needs.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15824358-the-first-90-days" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The First 90 Days</a> by Michael D. Watkins</li>
<li>  <a href="https://tacoma.bibliocommons.com/v2/quotation/1127786157" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Shrek Onion quote</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 25: We're on this earth to chill</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/25</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss making big technical decisions, building vs. buying, how it's important to take a break from work and Monica's 10 year plan.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:50</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss making big technical decisions, building vs. buying, how it's important to take a break from work and Monica's 10 year plan.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss making big technical decisions, building vs. buying, how it's important to take a break from work and Monica's 10 year plan.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss making big technical decisions, building vs. buying, how it's important to take a break from work and Monica's 10 year plan.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 24: People make stuff up all the time</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/24</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about how to manage errors and failures.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>41:01</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about how to manage errors and failures.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/3-visualise-your-inks" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/3-visualise-your-inks</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.alanzucconi.com/2015/09/30/colour-sorting/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The incredibly challenging task of sorting colours</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://henry-gallert.medium.com/the-fear-of-failure-in-engineering-4e2c945faf76" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The fear of failure in Engineering</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/incident-management/postmortem/blameless" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Blameless postmortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It!</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/team-playbook/plays/pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Premortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pointing-and-calling-japan-trains" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why Japan’s Rails Workers Can’t Stop Pointing at Things</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ahptl/pragmatic-thinking-and-learning/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pragmatic Thinking and Learning</a></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zTbVRPh5EI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Daði Freyr (Daði &amp; Gagnamagnið) – 10 Years (Official Video)</a><br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about how to manage errors and failures.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/3-visualise-your-inks" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/3-visualise-your-inks</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.alanzucconi.com/2015/09/30/colour-sorting/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The incredibly challenging task of sorting colours</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://henry-gallert.medium.com/the-fear-of-failure-in-engineering-4e2c945faf76" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The fear of failure in Engineering</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/incident-management/postmortem/blameless" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Blameless postmortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It!</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/team-playbook/plays/pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Premortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pointing-and-calling-japan-trains" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why Japan’s Rails Workers Can’t Stop Pointing at Things</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ahptl/pragmatic-thinking-and-learning/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pragmatic Thinking and Learning</a></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zTbVRPh5EI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Daði Freyr (Daði &amp; Gagnamagnið) – 10 Years (Official Video)</a><br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about how to manage errors and failures.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/3-visualise-your-inks" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/blog/3-visualise-your-inks</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.alanzucconi.com/2015/09/30/colour-sorting/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The incredibly challenging task of sorting colours</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://henry-gallert.medium.com/the-fear-of-failure-in-engineering-4e2c945faf76" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The fear of failure in Engineering</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/incident-management/postmortem/blameless" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Blameless postmortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It!</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlassian.com/team-playbook/plays/pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Premortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pointing-and-calling-japan-trains" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Why Japan’s Rails Workers Can’t Stop Pointing at Things</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/ahptl/pragmatic-thinking-and-learning/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pragmatic Thinking and Learning</a></li>
<li><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zTbVRPh5EI" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Daði Freyr (Daði &amp; Gagnamagnið) – 10 Years (Official Video)</a><br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 23: One year of podcasting</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/23</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about what we learning during one year of podcasting.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:09</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about what we learning during one year of podcasting.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://monicag.me/about/now/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Monica’s Now page</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://sive.rs/now" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://sive.rs/now</a><br></li>
<li>  <a href="https://nownownow.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://nownownow.com/</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20%25_Project" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">20% time</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://d3js.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">D3.js</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyB1PCU99gs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Urban's innovation day outcome</a> (4s video)</li>
<li>  <a href="https://bigbinary.com/blog/generating-json-using-postgresql-json-function" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Generate JSON in Postgres</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/_alerecchi/status/1389554359831252994" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Alessandro’s question</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.yvgenii.com/services" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Podcasting services by Yvgenii</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.expandingbeyond.it/19" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Episode 19 with Niels</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about what we learning during one year of podcasting.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://monicag.me/about/now/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Monica’s Now page</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://sive.rs/now" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://sive.rs/now</a><br></li>
<li>  <a href="https://nownownow.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://nownownow.com/</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20%25_Project" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">20% time</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://d3js.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">D3.js</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyB1PCU99gs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Urban's innovation day outcome</a> (4s video)</li>
<li>  <a href="https://bigbinary.com/blog/generating-json-using-postgresql-json-function" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Generate JSON in Postgres</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/_alerecchi/status/1389554359831252994" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Alessandro’s question</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.yvgenii.com/services" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Podcasting services by Yvgenii</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.expandingbeyond.it/19" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Episode 19 with Niels</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about what we learning during one year of podcasting.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://monicag.me/about/now/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Monica’s Now page</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://sive.rs/now" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://sive.rs/now</a><br></li>
<li>  <a href="https://nownownow.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://nownownow.com/</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20%25_Project" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">20% time</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://d3js.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">D3.js</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyB1PCU99gs" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Urban's innovation day outcome</a> (4s video)</li>
<li>  <a href="https://bigbinary.com/blog/generating-json-using-postgresql-json-function" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Generate JSON in Postgres</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/_alerecchi/status/1389554359831252994" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Alessandro’s question</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.yvgenii.com/services" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Podcasting services by Yvgenii</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.expandingbeyond.it/19" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Episode 19 with Niels</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 22: Ruby Day 2021 retrospective</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/22</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss Ruby Day 2021!</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss Ruby Day 2021!</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh/status/1382564371440807936" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter thread around the bot signup</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">reCAPTCHA</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://2019.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">RubyDay 2021</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://euruko2021.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Euruko 2021</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com.ar/e/crystal-conference-10-launch-tickets-149153252393" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Crystal Conference - 1.0 Launch</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Matz</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maciejrzasa/?originalSubdomain=pl" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Maciej Rząsa</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://where.coraline.codes/talks/ethical-open-source/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Rising Ethical Storm in Open Source</a> by Coraline Ada Ehmke</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.contributor-covenant.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Code of Conduct for Open Source Communities</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rust-lang.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Rust</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.haskell.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Haskell</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss Ruby Day 2021!</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh/status/1382564371440807936" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter thread around the bot signup</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">reCAPTCHA</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://2019.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">RubyDay 2021</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://euruko2021.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Euruko 2021</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com.ar/e/crystal-conference-10-launch-tickets-149153252393" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Crystal Conference - 1.0 Launch</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Matz</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maciejrzasa/?originalSubdomain=pl" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Maciej Rząsa</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://where.coraline.codes/talks/ethical-open-source/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Rising Ethical Storm in Open Source</a> by Coraline Ada Ehmke</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.contributor-covenant.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Code of Conduct for Open Source Communities</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rust-lang.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Rust</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.haskell.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Haskell</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss Ruby Day 2021!</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh/status/1382564371440807936" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Twitter thread around the bot signup</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://developers.google.com/recaptcha/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">reCAPTCHA</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://2019.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">RubyDay 2021</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://euruko2021.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Euruko 2021</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com.ar/e/crystal-conference-10-launch-tickets-149153252393" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Crystal Conference - 1.0 Launch</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukihiro_Matsumoto" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Matz</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/maciejrzasa/?originalSubdomain=pl" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Maciej Rząsa</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://where.coraline.codes/talks/ethical-open-source/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Rising Ethical Storm in Open Source</a> by Coraline Ada Ehmke</li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.contributor-covenant.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Code of Conduct for Open Source Communities</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.rust-lang.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Rust</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.haskell.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Haskell</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 21: Mental health</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/21</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about mental health, vulnerability as manager, burnout, therapy, and personal growth.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360-degree_feedback" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">360 feedback</a></li>
<li><a href="https://howswork.estherperel.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How's work (podcast)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Autism Spectrum Disorder</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/hypervigilance" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hypervigilance</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.debuggingyourbrain.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Debugging your brain by Casey Watts</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about mental health, vulnerability as manager, burnout, therapy, and personal growth.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360-degree_feedback" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">360 feedback</a></li>
<li><a href="https://howswork.estherperel.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How's work (podcast)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Autism Spectrum Disorder</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/hypervigilance" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hypervigilance</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.debuggingyourbrain.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Debugging your brain by Casey Watts</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about mental health, vulnerability as manager, burnout, therapy, and personal growth.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/360-degree_feedback" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">360 feedback</a></li>
<li><a href="https://howswork.estherperel.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">How's work (podcast)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Autism Spectrum Disorder</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.healthline.com/health/hypervigilance" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hypervigilance</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.debuggingyourbrain.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Debugging your brain by Casey Watts</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 20: We won our OKRs!</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/20</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2021 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
      <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a6f879be-e95e-43a2-9a41-c53f218e1971/9d20291c-8c6d-4ba5-b6c2-02315577845a.mp3" length="33641373" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this meandering episode we discuss feeling like a team when you're virtual, virtual conferences, and RubyDay in particular.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>33:39</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this meandering episode we discuss feeling like a team when you're virtual, virtual conferences, and RubyDay in particular.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gather.town/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gather.town/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://gartic.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gartic.io/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://2021.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://2021.rubyday.it/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://euruko2021.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://euruko2021.org/</a> </li>
<li><p><a href="https://qconferences.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://qconferences.com/</a> <br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this meandering episode we discuss feeling like a team when you're virtual, virtual conferences, and RubyDay in particular.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gather.town/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gather.town/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://gartic.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gartic.io/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://2021.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://2021.rubyday.it/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://euruko2021.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://euruko2021.org/</a> </li>
<li><p><a href="https://qconferences.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://qconferences.com/</a> <br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this meandering episode we discuss feeling like a team when you're virtual, virtual conferences, and RubyDay in particular.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gather.town/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gather.town/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://gartic.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gartic.io/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://2021.rubyday.it/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://2021.rubyday.it/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://euruko2021.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://euruko2021.org/</a> </li>
<li><p><a href="https://qconferences.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://qconferences.com/</a> <br>
</p><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Website: <a href="https://monicag.me/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monicag.me</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 19: I'm a software developer at heart (an interview with Niels Liebisch)</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/19</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
      <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/a6f879be-e95e-43a2-9a41-c53f218e1971/ffce801f-17e3-4790-a239-c7b2f978c32d.mp3" length="45575267" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk to CTO Niels Liebisch about his management philosophy, handling outages, hiring, and bridging the gap between development and other departments.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:04</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk to CTO Niels Liebisch about his management philosophy, handling outages, hiring, and bridging the gap between development and other departments.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nliebisch/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Niels Liebisch on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/teamorganizer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Niels Liebisch on Twitter</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://virtualq.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">virtualQ</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.pagerduty.com/resources/learn/incident-postmortem/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Incident Postmortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It!</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk to CTO Niels Liebisch about his management philosophy, handling outages, hiring, and bridging the gap between development and other departments.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nliebisch/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Niels Liebisch on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/teamorganizer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Niels Liebisch on Twitter</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://virtualq.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">virtualQ</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.pagerduty.com/resources/learn/incident-postmortem/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Incident Postmortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It!</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk to CTO Niels Liebisch about his management philosophy, handling outages, hiring, and bridging the gap between development and other departments.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nliebisch/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Niels Liebisch on LinkedIn</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/teamorganizer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Niels Liebisch on Twitter</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://virtualq.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">virtualQ</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.pagerduty.com/resources/learn/incident-postmortem/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Incident Postmortem</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Release It!</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 18: The complexity is only moving around</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/18</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about the monolith, SOA, microservices, and why each makes sense under certain circumstances. We cover the technical aspects as well as the organizational components of choosing an approach.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>43:24</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about the monolith, SOA, microservices, and why each makes sense under certain circumstances. We cover the technical aspects as well as the organizational components of choosing an approach.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Service Oriented Architecture</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microservices" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Microservices</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://graphql.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">GraphQL</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-majestic-monolith-can-become-the-citadel/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Citadel pattern</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about the monolith, SOA, microservices, and why each makes sense under certain circumstances. We cover the technical aspects as well as the organizational components of choosing an approach.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Service Oriented Architecture</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microservices" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Microservices</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://graphql.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">GraphQL</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-majestic-monolith-can-become-the-citadel/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Citadel pattern</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about the monolith, SOA, microservices, and why each makes sense under certain circumstances. We cover the technical aspects as well as the organizational components of choosing an approach.</p>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service-oriented_architecture" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Service Oriented Architecture</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microservices" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Microservices</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://graphql.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">GraphQL</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://m.signalvnoise.com/the-majestic-monolith-can-become-the-citadel/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Citadel pattern</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 17: Avoid knowledge silos. Argh!!!</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/17</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss knowledge silos, how to avoid them, and when they are actually useful.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>34:19</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss knowledge silos, how to avoid them, and when they are actually useful.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bus factor</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss knowledge silos, how to avoid them, and when they are actually useful.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bus factor</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss knowledge silos, how to avoid them, and when they are actually useful.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bus factor</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 16: What does it mean to work remote?</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/16</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk about working remotely. How it changed for some who have been doing it before, and the experiences of newcomers.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about working remotely. How it changed for some who have been doing it before, and the experiences of newcomers.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gartic.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gartic.io/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful-two/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful-two/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.airbnb.com/s/experiences" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Airbnb experiences</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about working remotely. How it changed for some who have been doing it before, and the experiences of newcomers.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gartic.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gartic.io/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful-two/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful-two/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.airbnb.com/s/experiences" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Airbnb experiences</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk about working remotely. How it changed for some who have been doing it before, and the experiences of newcomers.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gartic.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://gartic.io/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful-two/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.jackboxgames.com/drawful-two/</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.airbnb.com/s/experiences" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Airbnb experiences</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<ul>
<li>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</li>
<li>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 15: I'm not a piece of sh*t!</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss CVs and the differences between managerial ones and those for ICs as well as the difficulties that can happen when employees leave and how to avoid them.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss CVs and the differences between managerial ones and those for ICs as well as the difficulties that can happen when employees leave and how to avoid them.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://firstcontributions.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">First Contributions</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://engmanagers.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Engineering Managers Slack</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart's_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Goodhart’s Law</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a17991/voyager-1-voyager-2-retiring-engineer/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Working on Voyager</a></li>
<li>  <a href="mailto:monica.giambitto@pm.me" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monica.giambitto@pm.me</a> </li>
<li><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss CVs and the differences between managerial ones and those for ICs as well as the difficulties that can happen when employees leave and how to avoid them.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://firstcontributions.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">First Contributions</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://engmanagers.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Engineering Managers Slack</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart's_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Goodhart’s Law</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a17991/voyager-1-voyager-2-retiring-engineer/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Working on Voyager</a></li>
<li>  <a href="mailto:monica.giambitto@pm.me" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monica.giambitto@pm.me</a> </li>
<li><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss CVs and the differences between managerial ones and those for ICs as well as the difficulties that can happen when employees leave and how to avoid them.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://firstcontributions.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">First Contributions</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://engmanagers.github.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Engineering Managers Slack</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart's_law" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Goodhart’s Law</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a17991/voyager-1-voyager-2-retiring-engineer/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Working on Voyager</a></li>
<li>  <a href="mailto:monica.giambitto@pm.me" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">monica.giambitto@pm.me</a> </li>
<li><hr></li>
<li><p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p></li>
<li><p>You can follow us on Twitter at <a href="https://twitter.com/podcast_eb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@podcast_eb</a>.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 14: Working fully async (unblocking the mother lode)</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/14</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2020 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we answer our first listener question! We talk about a team that's distributed across many time zones and then end up discussing working fully async (instead of just working remotely).</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://leanpub.com/geographicallydistributedagileteams" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams</a> by Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby</li>
<li>  <a href="https://blog.trello.com/remote-work-team-success-guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Best Advice For Remote Work Success From 10 Global Teams</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://zapier.com/learn/remote-work/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Zapier’s guide to working remotely</a>
<hr></li>
</ul>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we answer our first listener question! We talk about a team that's distributed across many time zones and then end up discussing working fully async (instead of just working remotely).</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://leanpub.com/geographicallydistributedagileteams" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams</a> by Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby</li>
<li>  <a href="https://blog.trello.com/remote-work-team-success-guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Best Advice For Remote Work Success From 10 Global Teams</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://zapier.com/learn/remote-work/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Zapier’s guide to working remotely</a>
<hr></li>
</ul>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we answer our first listener question! We talk about a team that's distributed across many time zones and then end up discussing working fully async (instead of just working remotely).</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://leanpub.com/geographicallydistributedagileteams" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">From Chaos to Successful Distributed Agile Teams</a> by Johanna Rothman and Mark Kilby</li>
<li>  <a href="https://blog.trello.com/remote-work-team-success-guide" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Best Advice For Remote Work Success From 10 Global Teams</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://zapier.com/learn/remote-work/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Zapier’s guide to working remotely</a>
<hr></li>
</ul>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 13: Project rollercoaster</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/13</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2020 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss the difficulties of communicating technical projects to other teams and to the company as a whole as well as what the difference is between having a role and having a title.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>44:11</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the difficulties of communicating technical projects to other teams and to the company as a whole as well as what the difference is between having a role and having a title.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuerzangenbowle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Feuerzangenbowle</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON_Web_Token" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">JWT</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the difficulties of communicating technical projects to other teams and to the company as a whole as well as what the difference is between having a role and having a title.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuerzangenbowle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Feuerzangenbowle</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON_Web_Token" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">JWT</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the difficulties of communicating technical projects to other teams and to the company as a whole as well as what the difference is between having a role and having a title.</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuerzangenbowle" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Feuerzangenbowle</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON_Web_Token" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">JWT</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 12: Let's Talk About Estimations</title>
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      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discussion estimations, the dangers around them, and how to do them right ... if you really have to.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.everydaykanban.com/2012/07/27/slack-is-not-a-dirty-word-how-slack-can-improve-your-products/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The concept of slack in Kanban</a></p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discussion estimations, the dangers around them, and how to do them right ... if you really have to.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.everydaykanban.com/2012/07/27/slack-is-not-a-dirty-word-how-slack-can-improve-your-products/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The concept of slack in Kanban</a></p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discussion estimations, the dangers around them, and how to do them right ... if you really have to.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.everydaykanban.com/2012/07/27/slack-is-not-a-dirty-word-how-slack-can-improve-your-products/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The concept of slack in Kanban</a></p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 11: WTF is quark‽</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/11</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we discuss mobile testing (again), pair managing, and online conferences.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>39:47</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss mobile testing (again), pair managing, and online conferences.</p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss mobile testing (again), pair managing, and online conferences.</p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss mobile testing (again), pair managing, and online conferences.</p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 10: I just like tests so much</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/10</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:00:00 +0100</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Monica and Urban discuss testing JavaScript apps (especially those that have never been tested before) and moving to a more stable server setup.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>34:35</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss testing JavaScript apps (especially those that have never been tested before) and moving to a more stable server setup.</p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss testing JavaScript apps (especially those that have never been tested before) and moving to a more stable server setup.</p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss testing JavaScript apps (especially those that have never been tested before) and moving to a more stable server setup.</p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 9: You don't want ortogonal vectors</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/9</link>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss project planning and company wide alignment.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss project planning and company wide alignment.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.lethain.com/elegant-puzzle/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">An Elegant Puzzle</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://martinfowler.com/articles/is-quality-worth-cost.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Is High Quality Software Worth the Cost?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basecamp_(company)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Basecamp</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://hbr.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Harvard Business Review</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pre-mortem</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss project planning and company wide alignment.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.lethain.com/elegant-puzzle/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">An Elegant Puzzle</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://martinfowler.com/articles/is-quality-worth-cost.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Is High Quality Software Worth the Cost?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basecamp_(company)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Basecamp</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://hbr.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Harvard Business Review</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pre-mortem</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss project planning and company wide alignment.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.lethain.com/elegant-puzzle/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">An Elegant Puzzle</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://martinfowler.com/articles/is-quality-worth-cost.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Is High Quality Software Worth the Cost?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basecamp_(company)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Basecamp</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://hbr.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Harvard Business Review</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-mortem" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pre-mortem</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 8: I understand your CTO</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/8</link>
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      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:duration>35:12</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how to handle outages and how to measure productivity for managers.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/series/113751-imperial-radch" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Imperial Radch series of books</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/book-series/discworld/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Terry Pratchett Discworld novels</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_(novel)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pyramids by Terry Pratchett</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33369254-the-manager-s-path" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Manager’s Path by Camille Fournier</a>
<hr></li>
</ul>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how to handle outages and how to measure productivity for managers.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/series/113751-imperial-radch" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Imperial Radch series of books</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/book-series/discworld/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Terry Pratchett Discworld novels</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_(novel)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pyramids by Terry Pratchett</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33369254-the-manager-s-path" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Manager’s Path by Camille Fournier</a>
<hr></li>
</ul>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how to handle outages and how to measure productivity for managers.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/series/113751-imperial-radch" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Imperial Radch series of books</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/book-series/discworld/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Terry Pratchett Discworld novels</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_(novel)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Pyramids by Terry Pratchett</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33369254-the-manager-s-path" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Manager’s Path by Camille Fournier</a>
<hr></li>
</ul>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 7: We are young in our minds</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2020 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discussing hiring and how we define seniority in the field and getting there.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>33:02</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discussing hiring and how we define seniority in the field and getting there.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_grant_are_you_a_giver_or_a_taker" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Adam Grant: Are you a giver or a taker?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobnz/status/1286401465767141376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Marco’s tweet</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fowler_(software_engineer)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Martin Fowler</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hacktoberfest</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rubyday-2020-virtual-edition-tickets-60347221163" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Ruby Day 2020</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discussing hiring and how we define seniority in the field and getting there.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_grant_are_you_a_giver_or_a_taker" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Adam Grant: Are you a giver or a taker?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobnz/status/1286401465767141376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Marco’s tweet</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fowler_(software_engineer)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Martin Fowler</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hacktoberfest</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rubyday-2020-virtual-edition-tickets-60347221163" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Ruby Day 2020</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discussing hiring and how we define seniority in the field and getting there.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/adam_grant_are_you_a_giver_or_a_taker" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Adam Grant: Are you a giver or a taker?</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobnz/status/1286401465767141376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Marco’s tweet</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fowler_(software_engineer)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Martin Fowler</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hacktoberfest</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.eventbrite.com/e/rubyday-2020-virtual-edition-tickets-60347221163" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Ruby Day 2020</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 6: Writing Is Not Easy</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss testing react apps, an overflowing (but groomed) backlog, iOS development, weekly reviews. Monica also discovers that writing is hard. 😱</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:16</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss testing react apps, an overflowing (but groomed) backlog, iOS development, weekly reviews. Monica also discovers that writing is hard. 😱</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiapark_(Munich)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Olympiapark Munich</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://testing-library.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Testing Library</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://kislayverma.com/organizations/independence-autonomy-and-too-many-small-teams/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Independence, autonomy, and too many small teams</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss testing react apps, an overflowing (but groomed) backlog, iOS development, weekly reviews. Monica also discovers that writing is hard. 😱</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiapark_(Munich)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Olympiapark Munich</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://testing-library.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Testing Library</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://kislayverma.com/organizations/independence-autonomy-and-too-many-small-teams/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Independence, autonomy, and too many small teams</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss testing react apps, an overflowing (but groomed) backlog, iOS development, weekly reviews. Monica also discovers that writing is hard. 😱</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympiapark_(Munich)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Olympiapark Munich</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://testing-library.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Testing Library</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://kislayverma.com/organizations/independence-autonomy-and-too-many-small-teams/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Independence, autonomy, and too many small teams</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.fountainpencompanion.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Fountain Pen Companion</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 5: Monkey See, Monkey Do</title>
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      <itunes:duration>36:09</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss meta programming Ruby, being a good manager and TDD.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobnz/status/1286401465767141376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Listener Feedback from Marco</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://lucaguidi.com/2020/07/22/ruby-method-overloading/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Method Overloading in Ruby</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://hanamirb.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hanami</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://medium.com/@warren2lynch/scrum-team-i-shaped-vs-t-shaped-people-569de6fa494e" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">T vs I shaped</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theengineeringmanager.com/management-101/the-4-key-managerial-activities/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The 4 key managerial activities</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">TDD</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss meta programming Ruby, being a good manager and TDD.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobnz/status/1286401465767141376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Listener Feedback from Marco</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://lucaguidi.com/2020/07/22/ruby-method-overloading/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Method Overloading in Ruby</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://hanamirb.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hanami</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://medium.com/@warren2lynch/scrum-team-i-shaped-vs-t-shaped-people-569de6fa494e" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">T vs I shaped</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theengineeringmanager.com/management-101/the-4-key-managerial-activities/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The 4 key managerial activities</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">TDD</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss meta programming Ruby, being a good manager and TDD.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://twitter.com/marcobnz/status/1286401465767141376" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Listener Feedback from Marco</a> </li>
<li>  <a href="https://lucaguidi.com/2020/07/22/ruby-method-overloading/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Method Overloading in Ruby</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://hanamirb.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hanami</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://medium.com/@warren2lynch/scrum-team-i-shaped-vs-t-shaped-people-569de6fa494e" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">T vs I shaped</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.theengineeringmanager.com/management-101/the-4-key-managerial-activities/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The 4 key managerial activities</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">TDD</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 4: Let's Build A Bridge And See If It Holds</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/4</link>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Monica and Urban discuss the differences (or lack thereof) between "real" and software engineering, the bus factor, and being kind to your users.
</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:33</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss the differences (or lack thereof) between "real" and software engineering, the bus factor, and being kind to your users.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gist.github.com/dhh/782fb925b57450da28c1e15656779556" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hey.com Gemfile</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://haveibeenpwned.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://haveibeenpwned.com/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss the differences (or lack thereof) between "real" and software engineering, the bus factor, and being kind to your users.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gist.github.com/dhh/782fb925b57450da28c1e15656779556" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hey.com Gemfile</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://haveibeenpwned.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://haveibeenpwned.com/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Monica and Urban discuss the differences (or lack thereof) between "real" and software engineering, the bus factor, and being kind to your users.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://gist.github.com/dhh/782fb925b57450da28c1e15656779556" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Hey.com Gemfile</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://haveibeenpwned.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://haveibeenpwned.com/</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://urbanhafner.com" role="host">Urban Hafner</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 3: Self-Organising Teams and Strategic Planning</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/3</link>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode Urban talks about his team and the challenges of working in a self-organising team and Monica discusses her experiences with strategic planning.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>32:21</itunes:duration>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Urban talks about his team and the challenges of working in a self-organising team and Monica discusses her experiences with strategic planning.</p>

<p><a href="https://goodbadstrategy.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://goodbadstrategy.com</a> - by <a href="https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty-and-research/strategy/faculty/rumelt" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Richard P. Rumelt</a></p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Urban talks about his team and the challenges of working in a self-organising team and Monica discusses her experiences with strategic planning.</p>

<p><a href="https://goodbadstrategy.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://goodbadstrategy.com</a> - by <a href="https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty-and-research/strategy/faculty/rumelt" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Richard P. Rumelt</a></p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Urban talks about his team and the challenges of working in a self-organising team and Monica discusses her experiences with strategic planning.</p>

<p><a href="https://goodbadstrategy.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://goodbadstrategy.com</a> - by <a href="https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty-and-research/strategy/faculty/rumelt" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Richard P. Rumelt</a></p>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 2:  Of Course I Have An Opinion On That</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/2</link>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2020 22:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode Monica and Urban discuss Genetic Programming and keeping notes and if it's useful to keep them or not.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>35:15</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Monica and Urban discuss Genetic Programming and keeping notes and if it's useful to keep them or not.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Settlers_II" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Settlers II</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Orcs_%26_Humans" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Warcraft</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_1602" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Anno 1602</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://www.gp-field-guide.org.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Field Guide To Genetic Programming</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://robocode.sourceforge.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Robocode</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://bulletjournal.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bullet Journal method</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://fieldnotesbrand.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Field Notes</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.indxd.ink/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Indxd</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://bear.app/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bear</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wellappointeddesk.com/2020/06/top-ten-notebooks/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Top Ten Notebooks</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Monica and Urban discuss Genetic Programming and keeping notes and if it's useful to keep them or not.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Settlers_II" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Settlers II</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Orcs_%26_Humans" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Warcraft</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_1602" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Anno 1602</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://www.gp-field-guide.org.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Field Guide To Genetic Programming</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://robocode.sourceforge.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Robocode</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://bulletjournal.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bullet Journal method</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://fieldnotesbrand.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Field Notes</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.indxd.ink/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Indxd</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://bear.app/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bear</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wellappointeddesk.com/2020/06/top-ten-notebooks/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Top Ten Notebooks</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Monica and Urban discuss Genetic Programming and keeping notes and if it's useful to keep them or not.</p>

<ul>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Settlers_II" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Settlers II</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Orcs_%26_Humans" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Warcraft</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_1602" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Anno 1602</a></li>
<li>  <a href="http://www.gp-field-guide.org.uk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">A Field Guide To Genetic Programming</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://robocode.sourceforge.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Robocode</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://bulletjournal.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bullet Journal method</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://fieldnotesbrand.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Field Notes</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.indxd.ink/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Indxd</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://bear.app/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bear</a></li>
<li>  <a href="https://www.wellappointeddesk.com/2020/06/top-ten-notebooks/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Top Ten Notebooks</a> </li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://urbanhafner.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">urbanhafner.com</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://monicag.me" role="host">Monica Giambitto</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 1: The Unknown Is Ahead To Boldly Go</title>
      <link>https://www.expandingbeyond.it/1</link>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2020 19:00:00 +0200</pubDate>
      <author>contact@urbanhafner.com (Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Monica Giambitto &amp; Urban Hafner</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Monica and Urban introduce the podcast and themselves.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>13:31</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaleup_company" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scale up</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rubyonrails.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Ruby on Rails</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioinformatics" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bioinformatics</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bikeshed.fm/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Bike Shed podcast</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.freeletics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freeletics</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://bettong.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">bettong.net</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaleup_company" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scale up</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rubyonrails.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Ruby on Rails</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioinformatics" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bioinformatics</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bikeshed.fm/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Bike Shed podcast</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.freeletics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freeletics</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://bettong.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">bettong.net</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaleup_company" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scale up</a></li>
<li><a href="https://rubyonrails.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Ruby on Rails</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioinformatics" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Bioinformatics</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.bikeshed.fm/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">The Bike Shed podcast</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.freeletics.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Freeletics</a></li>
</ul>

<hr>

<p>You can reach us via email at <a href="mailto:hosts@expandingbeyond.it" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">hosts@expandingbeyond.it</a>.</p>

<p>Where to find Monica on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/KFMolli" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@KFMolli</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@nirnaeth</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://dev.to/nirnaeth" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">dev.to/nirnaeth</a></li>
</ul>

<p>Where to find Urban on the internet:</p>

<ul>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/ujh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Github: <a href="https://github.com/ujh/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">@ujh</a></li>
<li>Blog: <a href="https://bettong.net/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">bettong.net</a></li>
</ul>

<p>The intro and outro music is <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes/Happy_Music/Our_Big_Adventure" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Our Big Adventure</a> by <a href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Scott_Holmes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Scott Holmes</a>. It's licensed under <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0 International (CC BY-NC 4.0)</a>.</p>]]>
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