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    <description>Someone once observed that if Howard Stern and Krista Tippett had a love child, it would be Scott Jones. Scott liked that.
At "Give and Take,” Scott Jones talks with artists, authors, theologians, and political pundits about the lens through which they experience life. With empathy, humor, and a deep knowledge of religion, current events, and pop culture, Scott engages his guests in a free-flowing conversation that's entertaining, unexpected, occasionally bizarre, and oftentimes enlightening. He likes people, and it shows.
Past interviewees include Mark Oppenheimer, Melissa Febos, David French, Miroslav Volf, Dan Savage, Nadia Bolz-Weber, Rob Bell, and (yes) Krista Tippett.
Scott is the former host and producer of the popular Mockingcast podcast (https://themockingcast.fireside.fm) and an in-demand consultant on all things “pod.” He’s also the co-host, with Bill Borror, of New Persuasive Words (https://npw.fireside.fm). Scott is also a prolific writer, a frequent conference speaker, a PhD candidate in Theology, and an ordained minister.
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Past interviewees include Mark Oppenheimer, Melissa Febos, David French, Miroslav Volf, Dan Savage, Nadia Bolz-Weber, Rob Bell, and (yes) Krista Tippett.
Scott is the former host and producer of the popular Mockingcast podcast (https://themockingcast.fireside.fm) and an in-demand consultant on all things “pod.” He’s also the co-host, with Bill Borror, of New Persuasive Words (https://npw.fireside.fm). Scott is also a prolific writer, a frequent conference speaker, a PhD candidate in Theology, and an ordained minister.
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      <title>Episode 321: Will The Future Like You?...with Patricia Martin</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What does it mean to be a self in an age that won’t let you stay the same? In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Patricia Martin about her new book Will the Future Like You?—a probing exploration of identity in a world defined by constant disruption. As technology accelerates and the pressure to adapt intensifies, Martin argues that we’ve entered an era of “hyper-reinvention,” where stability is elusive and the self can begin to feel more like a project than a reality.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Together, Scott and Patricia explore the psychological and cultural costs of this new landscape: the anxiety of endless self-optimization, the erosion of rootedness, and the quiet fear that we’re always one step behind who we’re supposed to become. But they also ask whether there’s another way—one that resists the demand to endlessly reinvent and instead recovers a deeper, more grounded sense of identity.</p>

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<p>Together, Scott and Patricia explore the psychological and cultural costs of this new landscape: the anxiety of endless self-optimization, the erosion of rootedness, and the quiet fear that we’re always one step behind who we’re supposed to become. But they also ask whether there’s another way—one that resists the demand to endlessly reinvent and instead recovers a deeper, more grounded sense of identity.</p>

<p>This is a thoughtful, timely conversation about who we are, who we’re becoming, and whether the future is something we shape—or something that reshapes us.</p><p>Special Guest: Patricia Martin .</p>]]>
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<p>Together, Scott and Patricia explore the psychological and cultural costs of this new landscape: the anxiety of endless self-optimization, the erosion of rootedness, and the quiet fear that we’re always one step behind who we’re supposed to become. But they also ask whether there’s another way—one that resists the demand to endlessly reinvent and instead recovers a deeper, more grounded sense of identity.</p>

<p>This is a thoughtful, timely conversation about who we are, who we’re becoming, and whether the future is something we shape—or something that reshapes us.</p><p>Special Guest: Patricia Martin .</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with David Fitch of Northern Seminary about the fallout of the Protestant Reformation—and why it might be time to reform the Reformers. Five centuries after 1517, Protestants still celebrate courage, conscience, and clarity. But what if the Reformation also unleashed forces it couldn’t control? Fragmentation. Hyper-individualism. A faith untethered from embodied community. A church shaped more by modern politics than by the crucified Christ.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>From a neo-Anabaptist perspective, Fitch argues that some of the Reformers’ necessary protests hardened into new distortions—reshaping authority, redefining the church, and quietly baptizing the spirit of modernity. Scott and Dave wrestle with what was gained, what was lost, and whether Protestantism can recover a thicker, more communal, more faithful witness in a polarized age.​</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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<p>From a neo-Anabaptist perspective, Fitch argues that some of the Reformers’ necessary protests hardened into new distortions—reshaping authority, redefining the church, and quietly baptizing the spirit of modernity. Scott and Dave wrestle with what was gained, what was lost, and whether Protestantism can recover a thicker, more communal, more faithful witness in a polarized age.​</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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<p>From a neo-Anabaptist perspective, Fitch argues that some of the Reformers’ necessary protests hardened into new distortions—reshaping authority, redefining the church, and quietly baptizing the spirit of modernity. Scott and Dave wrestle with what was gained, what was lost, and whether Protestantism can recover a thicker, more communal, more faithful witness in a polarized age.​</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 319: From Fat Tuesday to Peak Performance, with Lindsay Lombardi </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, recorded on Mardi Gras, 2026, Scott Jones talks with Philly fitness and wellness coach Lindsay Lombardi about fasting, feasting, and metabolic flexibility. What actually happens in your body when you indulge? Is fasting a powerful tool—or just another trend? And how do you enjoy the feast without wrecking your progress?</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>This is a conversation about discipline without deprivation, performance without obsession, and building a body—and a life—that can handle both celebration and restraint.</p>

<p>Feast smart. Fast wisely. Live strong.</p><p>Special Guest: Lindsay Lombardi.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, recorded on Mardi Gras, 2026, Scott Jones talks with Philly fitness and wellness coach Lindsay Lombardi about fasting, feasting, and metabolic flexibility. What actually happens in your body when you indulge? Is fasting a powerful tool—or just another trend? And how do you enjoy the feast without wrecking your progress?</p>

<p>This is a conversation about discipline without deprivation, performance without obsession, and building a body—and a life—that can handle both celebration and restraint.</p>

<p>Feast smart. Fast wisely. Live strong.</p><p>Special Guest: Lindsay Lombardi.</p>]]>
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<p>This is a conversation about discipline without deprivation, performance without obsession, and building a body—and a life—that can handle both celebration and restraint.</p>

<p>Feast smart. Fast wisely. Live strong.</p><p>Special Guest: Lindsay Lombardi.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones is joined by legal scholar and social innovator Susan Sturm to discuss her powerful new book, What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Our Institutions. Drawing on decades of work at the intersection of law, education, and organizational change, Sturm offers a hopeful yet demanding vision for how institutions can move beyond performative commitments toward genuine transformation. Their conversation explores how racism becomes embedded in institutional structures, why good intentions are not enough, and what it actually takes to create cultures of accountability, learning, and shared responsibility. Sturm challenges both individuals and organizations to imagine “what might be” if we treated racial justice not as a box to check, but as a collective practice that reshapes how we lead, decide, and belong.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Their conversation explores how racism becomes embedded in institutional structures, why good intentions are not enough, and what it actually takes to create cultures of accountability, learning, and shared responsibility. Sturm challenges both individuals and organizations to imagine “what might be” if we treated racial justice not as a box to check, but as a collective practice that reshapes how we lead, decide, and belong.</p><p>Special Guest: Susan Sturm.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones is joined by legal scholar and social innovator Susan Sturm to discuss her powerful new book, What Might Be: Confronting Racism to Transform Our Institutions. Drawing on decades of work at the intersection of law, education, and organizational change, Sturm offers a hopeful yet demanding vision for how institutions can move beyond performative commitments toward genuine transformation.</p>

<p>Their conversation explores how racism becomes embedded in institutional structures, why good intentions are not enough, and what it actually takes to create cultures of accountability, learning, and shared responsibility. Sturm challenges both individuals and organizations to imagine “what might be” if we treated racial justice not as a box to check, but as a collective practice that reshapes how we lead, decide, and belong.</p><p>Special Guest: Susan Sturm.</p>]]>
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<p>Their conversation explores how racism becomes embedded in institutional structures, why good intentions are not enough, and what it actually takes to create cultures of accountability, learning, and shared responsibility. Sturm challenges both individuals and organizations to imagine “what might be” if we treated racial justice not as a box to check, but as a collective practice that reshapes how we lead, decide, and belong.</p><p>Special Guest: Susan Sturm.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with writer and former evangelical insider Mattie Jo Cowsert to talk about her candid and compelling new memoir, God, Sex and Rich People: A Recovering Evangelical Testimony. With honesty, humor, and a clear-eyed sense of moral urgency, Cowsert reflects on her journey through the world of American evangelicalism—and what it cost her to finally step away.
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<p>Their conversation explores the entanglement of faith, power, money, and sexuality in contemporary religious culture, tracing how evangelical institutions often shape desire, silence doubt, and reward proximity to wealth and influence. Cowsert shares what it means to “recover” from evangelicalism, how her faith has been reconfigured rather than abandoned, and why telling the truth about these systems is both painful and liberating.</p>

<p>Together, Scott and Mattie Jo wrestle with larger questions about spiritual authority, moral formation, and whether honesty and integrity are possible on the other side of disillusionment. It’s a thoughtful and unflinching conversation about belief, belonging, and the courage it takes to name what’s broken in order to imagine something better.</p><p>Special Guest: Mattie Jo Cowsert.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with writer and former evangelical insider Mattie Jo Cowsert to talk about her candid and compelling new memoir, God, Sex and Rich People: A Recovering Evangelical Testimony. With honesty, humor, and a clear-eyed sense of moral urgency, Cowsert reflects on her journey through the world of American evangelicalism—and what it cost her to finally step away.</p>

<p>Their conversation explores the entanglement of faith, power, money, and sexuality in contemporary religious culture, tracing how evangelical institutions often shape desire, silence doubt, and reward proximity to wealth and influence. Cowsert shares what it means to “recover” from evangelicalism, how her faith has been reconfigured rather than abandoned, and why telling the truth about these systems is both painful and liberating.</p>

<p>Together, Scott and Mattie Jo wrestle with larger questions about spiritual authority, moral formation, and whether honesty and integrity are possible on the other side of disillusionment. It’s a thoughtful and unflinching conversation about belief, belonging, and the courage it takes to name what’s broken in order to imagine something better.</p><p>Special Guest: Mattie Jo Cowsert.</p>]]>
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<p>Their conversation explores the entanglement of faith, power, money, and sexuality in contemporary religious culture, tracing how evangelical institutions often shape desire, silence doubt, and reward proximity to wealth and influence. Cowsert shares what it means to “recover” from evangelicalism, how her faith has been reconfigured rather than abandoned, and why telling the truth about these systems is both painful and liberating.</p>

<p>Together, Scott and Mattie Jo wrestle with larger questions about spiritual authority, moral formation, and whether honesty and integrity are possible on the other side of disillusionment. It’s a thoughtful and unflinching conversation about belief, belonging, and the courage it takes to name what’s broken in order to imagine something better.</p><p>Special Guest: Mattie Jo Cowsert.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this special Christmas Eve episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones is joined by Professor Matthew Milliner of Wheaton College for a thoughtful and unexpected conversation about Mary—seen through Protestant eyes. Often sidelined or approached with hesitation in Protestant theology, Mary nevertheless stands at the very center of the Christmas story. Milliner, an art historian and theologian, helps recover a richer Protestant appreciation of Mary by drawing on Scripture, church history, and the visual imagination of the Christian tradition. Together, Scott and Matthew explore how Mary’s faith, obedience, and vulnerability shape a deeper understanding of the Incarnation—and why reclaiming her place need not blur confessional lines. On a night set apart for wonder and anticipation, this conversation invites listeners to slow down and reconsider the woman who first said “yes” to God, and what her story still has to teach Protestants about Christmas, discipleship, and the mystery at the heart of the Christian faith.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2025 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>It’s the holiday season and the devout are fond of reminding everyone that Jesus is the reason for the season. But what do we really know about Jesus? How reliable are the Gospel accounts—and how much can historians really know the mysterious man from Nazareth? In this episode of Give and Take, I sit down with renowned ancient historian Edward J. Watts to explore what historical methods can (and can’t) tell us about the life of Jesus. Drawing on Roman, Jewish, and early Christian sources, Watts explains how historians evaluate ancient texts, where the Gospels align with what we know of the first-century world, and where questions and tensions remain. The conversation moves beyond simplistic debates about “proof” or “myth,” offering a careful look at how memory, theology, politics, and oral tradition shaped the Gospel narratives. Throughout, Watts reflects on how historical context shapes interpretation and why Christian teaching has always been dynamic rather than fixed. The episode closes with a compelling claim: that the teachings of Jesus, understood historically and thoughtfully, continue to offer real guidance for life in the modern world. For believers, skeptics, and anyone curious about the origins of Christianity, this episode offers a clear-eyed, historically grounded discussion of the historical Jesus—and why these questions still matter today. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 314: What Makes a Movie a Christmas Movie?, with Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2025 17:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>It’s the holiday season and for many of you that means curling up on the couch with some popcorn and some candy and watching one of your favorite feel good Christmas movies. What if all those cozy Christmas movies aren’t really about comfort at all—but about desire, loss, and what we’re missing deep down inside? Today I’m joined by Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley from the Why Theory podcast to psychoanalyze our favorite holiday films. From small-town miracles to last-minute reconciliations, we’re digging into what these movies reveal about enjoyment, fantasy, and why Christmas keeps pulling us back in year after year. Grab some eggnog—this conversation might change how you watch Christmas movies forever.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s the holiday season and for many of you that means curling up on the couch with some popcorn and some candy and watching one of your favorite feel good Christmas movies. What if all those cozy Christmas movies aren’t really about comfort at all—but about desire, loss, and what we’re missing deep down inside? Today I’m joined by Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley from the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6YAQf8Tg8Da7QRBx9vKWgs" rel="nofollow">Why Theory</a> podcast to psychoanalyze our favorite holiday films. From small-town miracles to last-minute reconciliations, we’re digging into what these movies reveal about enjoyment, fantasy, and why Christmas keeps pulling us back in year after year. Grab some eggnog—this conversation might change how you watch Christmas movies forever.</p>

<p>You can find their original Christmas movie <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-theory/id1299863834?i=1000425686216" rel="nofollow">podcast here. </a></p><p>Special Guests: Ryan Engley and Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It’s the holiday season and for many of you that means curling up on the couch with some popcorn and some candy and watching one of your favorite feel good Christmas movies. What if all those cozy Christmas movies aren’t really about comfort at all—but about desire, loss, and what we’re missing deep down inside? Today I’m joined by Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley from the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/6YAQf8Tg8Da7QRBx9vKWgs" rel="nofollow">Why Theory</a> podcast to psychoanalyze our favorite holiday films. From small-town miracles to last-minute reconciliations, we’re digging into what these movies reveal about enjoyment, fantasy, and why Christmas keeps pulling us back in year after year. Grab some eggnog—this conversation might change how you watch Christmas movies forever.</p>

<p>You can find their original Christmas movie <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-theory/id1299863834?i=1000425686216" rel="nofollow">podcast here. </a></p><p>Special Guests: Ryan Engley and Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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<p>You can find their original Christmas movie <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-theory/id1299863834?i=1000425686216" rel="nofollow">podcast here. </a></p><p>Special Guests: Ryan Engley and Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 313: Can Deliberation Cure the Ills of Democracy?, with James S. Fishkin </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is James Fishkin, professor at Stanford University and one of the world’s leading scholars of democratic reform. His new book, _Can Deliberation Cure the Ills of Democracy?_, argues that polarization, mistrust, and democratic dysfunction aren’t just political problems—they’re failures of how we form opinions together. Drawing on decades of research and real-world experiments in deliberative democracy, Fishkin makes the case that when ordinary citizens are given time, information, and the chance to engage across differences, democracy can work better than we imagine. In this conversation, we explore what deliberation really means, how it differs from our current political debates, and whether it can help heal some of democracy’s deepest wounds. It was a great conversation. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I give you James Fishkin. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 312: Finding Grace in the Holiday Grind, with Mandy Smith </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with pastor, theologian, and author Mandy Smith for a deep and timely conversation about cultivating a spirit of gratitude as we head into the holiday season. For many, this time of year can feel harried, consumeristic, and stressful—an emotional whirlwind that leaves little room for reflection or joy. Mandy offers a gentle but compelling invitation to slow down, pay attention, and reclaim the simple, grounding practices that open us to gratitude. Drawing on her pastoral experience, her writing, and her own honest encounters with the pressures of the season, Mandy shares practical ways to resist the cultural rush and reconnect with what truly matters. It’s a conversation filled with warmth, wisdom, and a refreshing kind of hope—just what we need as the holidays approach. Tune in for an encouraging guide to navigating the season not with exhaustion, but with intention, wonder, and grace.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with pastor, theologian, and author Mandy Smith for a deep and timely conversation about cultivating a spirit of gratitude as we head into the holiday season. For many, this time of year can feel harried, consumeristic, and stressful—an emotional whirlwind that leaves little room for reflection or joy. Mandy offers a gentle but compelling invitation to slow down, pay attention, and reclaim the simple, grounding practices that open us to gratitude. Drawing on her pastoral experience, her writing, and her own honest encounters with the pressures of the season, Mandy shares practical ways to resist the cultural rush and reconnect with what truly matters. It’s a conversation filled with warmth, wisdom, and a refreshing kind of hope—just what we need as the holidays approach. Tune in for an encouraging guide to navigating the season not with exhaustion, but with intention, wonder, and grace.</p><p>Special Guest: Mandy Smith.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 311: How to Stay Fit When the Holidays Hit, with Lindsay Lombardi </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Philadelphia-based fitness and wellness coach Lindsay Lombardi for a smart, practical, and totally doable guide to staying healthy during the holiday season. From navigating parties and travel to actually enjoying your favorite foods without derailing your goals, Lindsay offers strategies that go beyond quick fixes and guilt cycles. Lindsay introduces the Melt Method, a holistic approach to wellness that encompasses movement, eating, living, and thinking. She emphasizes the importance of integrating small, sustainable habits into daily life rather than adhering to intense, non-sustainable programs.
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<p>They dive into mindset, daily micro-habits, realistic workouts, and how to build a holiday rhythm that supports both joy and well-being. Whether you&#39;re looking to avoid the seasonal slump or simply feel better by January 1st, this conversation delivers clarity, no encouragement, and a refreshingly balanced approach.</p><p>Special Guest: Lindsay Lombardi.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Philadelphia-based fitness and wellness coach Lindsay Lombardi for a smart, practical, and totally doable guide to staying healthy during the holiday season. From navigating parties and travel to actually enjoying your favorite foods without derailing your goals, Lindsay offers strategies that go beyond quick fixes and guilt cycles. Lindsay introduces the Melt Method, a holistic approach to wellness that encompasses movement, eating, living, and thinking. She emphasizes the importance of integrating small, sustainable habits into daily life rather than adhering to intense, non-sustainable programs.</p>

<p>They dive into mindset, daily micro-habits, realistic workouts, and how to build a holiday rhythm that supports both joy and well-being. Whether you&#39;re looking to avoid the seasonal slump or simply feel better by January 1st, this conversation delivers clarity, no encouragement, and a refreshingly balanced approach.</p><p>Special Guest: Lindsay Lombardi.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Philadelphia-based fitness and wellness coach Lindsay Lombardi for a smart, practical, and totally doable guide to staying healthy during the holiday season. From navigating parties and travel to actually enjoying your favorite foods without derailing your goals, Lindsay offers strategies that go beyond quick fixes and guilt cycles. Lindsay introduces the Melt Method, a holistic approach to wellness that encompasses movement, eating, living, and thinking. She emphasizes the importance of integrating small, sustainable habits into daily life rather than adhering to intense, non-sustainable programs.</p>

<p>They dive into mindset, daily micro-habits, realistic workouts, and how to build a holiday rhythm that supports both joy and well-being. Whether you&#39;re looking to avoid the seasonal slump or simply feel better by January 1st, this conversation delivers clarity, no encouragement, and a refreshingly balanced approach.</p><p>Special Guest: Lindsay Lombardi.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this conversation, Scott Jones and Bryce Eddy delve into the current state of the conservative movement, discussing the internal conflicts, the rise of the 'woke right', and the influence of figures like Nick Fuentes. They explore the generational divides within conservative media, the cultural tensions surrounding immigration and identity, and the implications of these dynamics for the future of conservatism.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:11:18</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this conversation, Scott Jones and Bryce Eddy delve into the current state of the conservative movement, discussing the internal conflicts, the rise of the &#39;woke right&#39;, and the influence of figures like Nick Fuentes. They explore the generational divides within conservative media, the cultural tensions surrounding immigration and identity, and the implications of these dynamics for the future of conservatism.</p><p>Special Guest: Bryce Eddy .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this conversation, Scott Jones and Bryce Eddy delve into the current state of the conservative movement, discussing the internal conflicts, the rise of the &#39;woke right&#39;, and the influence of figures like Nick Fuentes. They explore the generational divides within conservative media, the cultural tensions surrounding immigration and identity, and the implications of these dynamics for the future of conservatism.</p><p>Special Guest: Bryce Eddy .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this conversation, Scott Jones and Bryce Eddy delve into the current state of the conservative movement, discussing the internal conflicts, the rise of the &#39;woke right&#39;, and the influence of figures like Nick Fuentes. They explore the generational divides within conservative media, the cultural tensions surrounding immigration and identity, and the implications of these dynamics for the future of conservatism.</p><p>Special Guest: Bryce Eddy .</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2025 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Sarah Hurwitz—former Obama speechwriter and bestselling author—for a sharp, lively conversation about her new book, As a Jew: Reclaiming Our Story from Those Who Blame, Shame, and Try to Erase Us. Hurwitz takes aim at the loudest misconceptions about Jewish identity today—whether they come from bad-faith critics, confused allies, or within the community itself. With her signature mix of wit, rigor, and moral clarity, she lays out what’s at stake when a people’s story is twisted, minimized, or stolen—and how reclaiming that story can be an act of both resistance and renewal. Scott and Sarah trade insights on antisemitism, cultural belonging, spiritual hunger, and the surprising power of rediscovering an ancient tradition in a chaotic modern world. It’s crisp, candid, and deeply engaging—an episode that cuts through the noise and gets to the heart of why this conversation matters right now.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:07:09</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Sarah Hurwitz—former Obama speechwriter and bestselling author—for a sharp, lively conversation about her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/As-Jew-Reclaiming-Story-Those/dp/0063374978/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-KcWijdzcf72ssUu1d9EadPGE7HmbpKlklqwRVBs7DHGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.iCD3m64kBgJUVXfzPUr8hEAbqkMoWK-EnKgS_at5upI&qid=1763078409&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">As a Jew: Reclaiming Our Story from Those Who Blame, Shame, and Try to Erase Us</a>. Hurwitz takes aim at the loudest misconceptions about Jewish identity today—whether they come from bad-faith critics, confused allies, or within the community itself. With her signature mix of wit, rigor, and moral clarity, she lays out what’s at stake when a people’s story is twisted, minimized, or stolen—and how reclaiming that story can be an act of both resistance and renewal. Scott and Sarah trade insights on antisemitism, cultural belonging, spiritual hunger, and the surprising power of rediscovering an ancient tradition in a chaotic modern world. It’s crisp, candid, and deeply engaging—an episode that cuts through the noise and gets to the heart of why this conversation matters right now.</p><p>Special Guest: Sarah Hurwitz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Sarah Hurwitz—former Obama speechwriter and bestselling author—for a sharp, lively conversation about her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/As-Jew-Reclaiming-Story-Those/dp/0063374978/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-KcWijdzcf72ssUu1d9EadPGE7HmbpKlklqwRVBs7DHGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.iCD3m64kBgJUVXfzPUr8hEAbqkMoWK-EnKgS_at5upI&qid=1763078409&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">As a Jew: Reclaiming Our Story from Those Who Blame, Shame, and Try to Erase Us</a>. Hurwitz takes aim at the loudest misconceptions about Jewish identity today—whether they come from bad-faith critics, confused allies, or within the community itself. With her signature mix of wit, rigor, and moral clarity, she lays out what’s at stake when a people’s story is twisted, minimized, or stolen—and how reclaiming that story can be an act of both resistance and renewal. Scott and Sarah trade insights on antisemitism, cultural belonging, spiritual hunger, and the surprising power of rediscovering an ancient tradition in a chaotic modern world. It’s crisp, candid, and deeply engaging—an episode that cuts through the noise and gets to the heart of why this conversation matters right now.</p><p>Special Guest: Sarah Hurwitz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott sits down with Sarah Hurwitz—former Obama speechwriter and bestselling author—for a sharp, lively conversation about her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/As-Jew-Reclaiming-Story-Those/dp/0063374978/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-KcWijdzcf72ssUu1d9EadPGE7HmbpKlklqwRVBs7DHGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.iCD3m64kBgJUVXfzPUr8hEAbqkMoWK-EnKgS_at5upI&qid=1763078409&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">As a Jew: Reclaiming Our Story from Those Who Blame, Shame, and Try to Erase Us</a>. Hurwitz takes aim at the loudest misconceptions about Jewish identity today—whether they come from bad-faith critics, confused allies, or within the community itself. With her signature mix of wit, rigor, and moral clarity, she lays out what’s at stake when a people’s story is twisted, minimized, or stolen—and how reclaiming that story can be an act of both resistance and renewal. Scott and Sarah trade insights on antisemitism, cultural belonging, spiritual hunger, and the surprising power of rediscovering an ancient tradition in a chaotic modern world. It’s crisp, candid, and deeply engaging—an episode that cuts through the noise and gets to the heart of why this conversation matters right now.</p><p>Special Guest: Sarah Hurwitz.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 308: The Romans: A 2,000-Year History, with Edward J. Watts</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Scott sits down with historian and friend of the show Edward J. Watts to explore his magisterial new work, "The Romans: A 2,000-Year History." From the founding myths of Romulus and Remus to the sack of Constantinople, Watts offers a sweeping narrative that refuses to let the Roman story end in the Western part of the Empire— instead, he argues for a more expansive conception of “Roman” identity that endures for 2 millennia. Stay tuned for history, ideas, and a deep dive into one of the longest and most complicated political experiments humanity has ever attempted.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Scott sits down with historian and friend of the show Edward J. Watts to explore his magisterial new work, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Romans-2-000-Year-History/dp/1541619811" rel="nofollow">The Romans: A 2,000-Year History.</a></em> From the founding myths of Romulus and Remus to the sack of Constantinople, Watts offers a sweeping narrative that refuses to let the Roman story end in the Western part of the Empire— instead, he argues for a more expansive conception of “Roman” identity that endures for 2 millennia. Stay tuned for history, ideas, and a deep dive into one of the longest and most complicated political experiments humanity has ever attempted.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Scott sits down with historian and friend of the show Edward J. Watts to explore his magisterial new work, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Romans-2-000-Year-History/dp/1541619811" rel="nofollow">The Romans: A 2,000-Year History.</a></em> From the founding myths of Romulus and Remus to the sack of Constantinople, Watts offers a sweeping narrative that refuses to let the Roman story end in the Western part of the Empire— instead, he argues for a more expansive conception of “Roman” identity that endures for 2 millennia. Stay tuned for history, ideas, and a deep dive into one of the longest and most complicated political experiments humanity has ever attempted.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Scott sits down with historian and friend of the show Edward J. Watts to explore his magisterial new work, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Romans-2-000-Year-History/dp/1541619811" rel="nofollow">The Romans: A 2,000-Year History.</a></em> From the founding myths of Romulus and Remus to the sack of Constantinople, Watts offers a sweeping narrative that refuses to let the Roman story end in the Western part of the Empire— instead, he argues for a more expansive conception of “Roman” identity that endures for 2 millennia. Stay tuned for history, ideas, and a deep dive into one of the longest and most complicated political experiments humanity has ever attempted.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 307: Hamilton vs. Jefferson: The Battle That Still Shapes America, with Jeffrey Rosen</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2025 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center and author of the new book The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton vs. Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America. Rosen explores how the clash between Alexander Hamilton’s vision of energetic government and Thomas Jefferson’s dream of individual freedom continues to define American politics. From the founding era to the present day, their competing philosophies echo through our debates over federal power, states’ rights, and the meaning of liberty itself. It’s a conversation about history, ideas, and the enduring struggle to balance freedom and order in the American experiment.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center and author of the new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Liberty-Hamilton-Jefferson-Ignited/dp/1668053748" rel="nofollow">The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton vs. Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America.</a> Rosen explores how the clash between Alexander Hamilton’s vision of energetic government and Thomas Jefferson’s dream of individual freedom continues to define American politics. From the founding era to the present day, their competing philosophies echo through our debates over federal power, states’ rights, and the meaning of liberty itself. It’s a conversation about history, ideas, and the enduring struggle to balance freedom and order in the American experiment.</p><p>Special Guest: Jeffrey Rosen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center and author of the new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Liberty-Hamilton-Jefferson-Ignited/dp/1668053748" rel="nofollow">The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton vs. Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America.</a> Rosen explores how the clash between Alexander Hamilton’s vision of energetic government and Thomas Jefferson’s dream of individual freedom continues to define American politics. From the founding era to the present day, their competing philosophies echo through our debates over federal power, states’ rights, and the meaning of liberty itself. It’s a conversation about history, ideas, and the enduring struggle to balance freedom and order in the American experiment.</p><p>Special Guest: Jeffrey Rosen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Jeffrey Rosen, president of the National Constitution Center and author of the new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Liberty-Hamilton-Jefferson-Ignited/dp/1668053748" rel="nofollow">The Pursuit of Liberty: How Hamilton vs. Jefferson Ignited the Lasting Battle Over Power in America.</a> Rosen explores how the clash between Alexander Hamilton’s vision of energetic government and Thomas Jefferson’s dream of individual freedom continues to define American politics. From the founding era to the present day, their competing philosophies echo through our debates over federal power, states’ rights, and the meaning of liberty itself. It’s a conversation about history, ideas, and the enduring struggle to balance freedom and order in the American experiment.</p><p>Special Guest: Jeffrey Rosen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 306: Nations Apart: How Clashing Regional Cultures Shattered America, with Colin Woodard</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Colin Woodard about his latest forthcoming book, Nations Apart. Woodard maps the deep regional cultures of America, tracing their historical roots and showing how they continue to shape today’s most urgent issues—from gun violence and health disparities to the tension between individual liberty and the common good. To truly understand the roots of America’s political polarization, economic inequality, public health crises, and democratic collapse, Woodard argues, we must examine the country’s longstanding regional divides. Together, they explore why America struggles to find common ground, the risks of fragmentation, and why a renewed civic national story may be essential to protecting democracy against rising authoritarian threats.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Colin Woodard about his latest forthcoming book, <em>Nations Apart</em>. Woodard maps the deep regional cultures of America, tracing their historical roots and showing how they continue to shape today’s most urgent issues—from gun violence and health disparities to the tension between individual liberty and the common good. To truly understand the roots of America’s political polarization, economic inequality, public health crises, and democratic collapse, Woodard argues, we must examine the country’s longstanding regional divides. Together, they explore why America struggles to find common ground, the risks of fragmentation, and why a renewed civic national story may be essential to protecting democracy against rising authoritarian threats.</p>

<p>You can <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nations-Apart-Clashing-Regional-Shattered/dp/0593833406" rel="nofollow">pre-order Nations Apart here. </a>. The book will be released on November 4th, 2025. </p><p>Special Guest: Colin Woodard.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Colin Woodard about his latest forthcoming book, <em>Nations Apart</em>. Woodard maps the deep regional cultures of America, tracing their historical roots and showing how they continue to shape today’s most urgent issues—from gun violence and health disparities to the tension between individual liberty and the common good. To truly understand the roots of America’s political polarization, economic inequality, public health crises, and democratic collapse, Woodard argues, we must examine the country’s longstanding regional divides. Together, they explore why America struggles to find common ground, the risks of fragmentation, and why a renewed civic national story may be essential to protecting democracy against rising authoritarian threats.</p>

<p>You can <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nations-Apart-Clashing-Regional-Shattered/dp/0593833406" rel="nofollow">pre-order Nations Apart here. </a>. The book will be released on November 4th, 2025. </p><p>Special Guest: Colin Woodard.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Colin Woodard about his latest forthcoming book, <em>Nations Apart</em>. Woodard maps the deep regional cultures of America, tracing their historical roots and showing how they continue to shape today’s most urgent issues—from gun violence and health disparities to the tension between individual liberty and the common good. To truly understand the roots of America’s political polarization, economic inequality, public health crises, and democratic collapse, Woodard argues, we must examine the country’s longstanding regional divides. Together, they explore why America struggles to find common ground, the risks of fragmentation, and why a renewed civic national story may be essential to protecting democracy against rising authoritarian threats.</p>

<p>You can <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nations-Apart-Clashing-Regional-Shattered/dp/0593833406" rel="nofollow">pre-order Nations Apart here. </a>. The book will be released on November 4th, 2025. </p><p>Special Guest: Colin Woodard.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 305: Charlie Kirk, Donald Trump, and Christian Nationalism, with Bryce Eddy</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2025 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, Bryce Eddy—former President of Turning Point USA and a close personal friend of Charlie Kirk—pulls back the curtain on his time with Kirk, charting Kirk’s rise and influence on youth culture. The conversation doesn’t shy away from the hot-button issues—faith, race, Trump, Christian nationalism—and asks what it really takes to have honest political dialogue in a culture wired for outrage. Scott and Bryce wrestle with the need for context—cutting through media spin and bad-faith narratives—the power of grace, and why navigating today’s political landscape is harder—and more necessary—than ever.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:15:05</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 304: Playback, with Carla Malden</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with novelist Carla Malden about her new book, Playback. The novel is a haunting and beautifully layered exploration of memory, loss, and reinvention—blurring the lines between past and present to show how grief reshapes identity and how the stories we tell ourselves can both hold us back and set us free. Together, Scott and Carla dive into the inspirations behind Playback, and the ways fiction can illuminate the most intimate corners of human experience.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:09</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with novelist Carla Malden about her new book, Playback. The novel is a haunting and beautifully layered exploration of memory, loss, and reinvention—blurring the lines between past and present to show how grief reshapes identity and how the stories we tell ourselves can both hold us back and set us free. Together, Scott and Carla dive into the inspirations behind Playback, and the ways fiction can illuminate the most intimate corners of human experience.</p><p>Special Guest: Carla Malden .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with novelist Carla Malden about her new book, Playback. The novel is a haunting and beautifully layered exploration of memory, loss, and reinvention—blurring the lines between past and present to show how grief reshapes identity and how the stories we tell ourselves can both hold us back and set us free. Together, Scott and Carla dive into the inspirations behind Playback, and the ways fiction can illuminate the most intimate corners of human experience.</p><p>Special Guest: Carla Malden .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 303: The Politics We Can't Escape, with J. Kameron Carter </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this conversation, Scott Jones and J Kameron Carter explore the complex themes of whiteness, authoritarianism, and the historical context of race in America. They discuss how whiteness is not just a racial identity but a civilizational logic that has shaped political structures and ideologies. The conversation delves into the implications of Trump as a revelation of underlying authoritarian tendencies in American democracy, the role of W.E.B. Du Bois in understanding these dynamics, and the intersections of political theology with contemporary issues. They also touch on the importance of the Black church's perspective and the need for a deeper understanding of history to navigate the current political landscape.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:23:26</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 302: Is the Earth Growing a Brain?...with Topher McDougal</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Topher McDougal, author of Gaia Wakes: Earth's Emergent Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devastation. In the book, McDougal explores the provocative idea that the planet itself might be waking up—that Earth, long treated as a backdrop to human drama, is revealing itself as a conscious, responsive system in the midst of ecological crisis. We talk about what it means to think of the Earth as a living, even sentient, entity; how this vision challenges modern science and philosophy; and why embracing a more relational way of seeing our world could be key to surviving the environmental devastation we face. It’s a wide-ranging conversation about philosophy, ecology, and the deep stories we tell about our place in the cosmos.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Topher McDougal, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Wakes-Consciousness-Environmental-Devastation/dp/1788218280" rel="nofollow">Gaia Wakes: Earth&#39;s Emergent Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devastation.</a> In the book, McDougal explores the provocative idea that the planet itself might be waking up—that Earth, long treated as a backdrop to human drama, is revealing itself as a conscious, responsive system in the midst of ecological crisis. </p>

<p>We talk about what it means to think of the Earth as a living, even sentient, entity; how this vision challenges modern science and philosophy; and why embracing a more relational way of seeing our world could be key to surviving the environmental devastation we face. It’s a wide-ranging conversation about philosophy, ecology, and the deep stories we tell about our place in the cosmos.</p><p>Special Guest: Topher McDougal.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Topher McDougal, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Wakes-Consciousness-Environmental-Devastation/dp/1788218280" rel="nofollow">Gaia Wakes: Earth&#39;s Emergent Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devastation.</a> In the book, McDougal explores the provocative idea that the planet itself might be waking up—that Earth, long treated as a backdrop to human drama, is revealing itself as a conscious, responsive system in the midst of ecological crisis. </p>

<p>We talk about what it means to think of the Earth as a living, even sentient, entity; how this vision challenges modern science and philosophy; and why embracing a more relational way of seeing our world could be key to surviving the environmental devastation we face. It’s a wide-ranging conversation about philosophy, ecology, and the deep stories we tell about our place in the cosmos.</p><p>Special Guest: Topher McDougal.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Topher McDougal, author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gaia-Wakes-Consciousness-Environmental-Devastation/dp/1788218280" rel="nofollow">Gaia Wakes: Earth&#39;s Emergent Consciousness in an Age of Environmental Devastation.</a> In the book, McDougal explores the provocative idea that the planet itself might be waking up—that Earth, long treated as a backdrop to human drama, is revealing itself as a conscious, responsive system in the midst of ecological crisis. </p>

<p>We talk about what it means to think of the Earth as a living, even sentient, entity; how this vision challenges modern science and philosophy; and why embracing a more relational way of seeing our world could be key to surviving the environmental devastation we face. It’s a wide-ranging conversation about philosophy, ecology, and the deep stories we tell about our place in the cosmos.</p><p>Special Guest: Topher McDougal.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 301: Morbidly Curious: A Scientist Explains Why We Can't Look Away, with Coltan Scrivner</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest today is Coltan Scrivner, a behavioral scientist who has spent years studying the psychology of why we’re drawn to the dark, the eerie, and the unsettling. His brand-new book, Morbidly Curious, takes us deep into the strange territory of horror films, true crime, haunted houses, and all the things we’d rather pretend we don’t think about—but secretly can’t look away from. In our conversation, we explore why being curious about the morbid isn’t a flaw—it’s a fundamental part of being human. From evolutionary survival to modern entertainment, Coltan makes the case that leaning into our fascination with the macabre can actually teach us something about ourselves and the world around us. It’s a provocative, fascinating, and—yes—morbidly fun discussion.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:03</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest today is Coltan Scrivner, a behavioral scientist who has spent years studying the psychology of why we’re drawn to the dark, the eerie, and the unsettling. His brand-new book, Morbidly Curious, takes us deep into the strange territory of horror films, true crime, haunted houses, and all the things we’d rather pretend we don’t think about—but secretly can’t look away from.</p>

<p>In our conversation, we explore why being curious about the morbid isn’t a flaw—it’s a fundamental part of being human. From evolutionary survival to modern entertainment, Coltan makes the case that leaning into our fascination with the macabre can actually teach us something about ourselves and the world around us. </p>

<p>It’s a provocative, fascinating, and—yes—morbidly fun discussion.</p><p>Special Guest: Coltan Scrivner .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest today is Coltan Scrivner, a behavioral scientist who has spent years studying the psychology of why we’re drawn to the dark, the eerie, and the unsettling. His brand-new book, Morbidly Curious, takes us deep into the strange territory of horror films, true crime, haunted houses, and all the things we’d rather pretend we don’t think about—but secretly can’t look away from.</p>

<p>In our conversation, we explore why being curious about the morbid isn’t a flaw—it’s a fundamental part of being human. From evolutionary survival to modern entertainment, Coltan makes the case that leaning into our fascination with the macabre can actually teach us something about ourselves and the world around us. </p>

<p>It’s a provocative, fascinating, and—yes—morbidly fun discussion.</p><p>Special Guest: Coltan Scrivner .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest today is Coltan Scrivner, a behavioral scientist who has spent years studying the psychology of why we’re drawn to the dark, the eerie, and the unsettling. His brand-new book, Morbidly Curious, takes us deep into the strange territory of horror films, true crime, haunted houses, and all the things we’d rather pretend we don’t think about—but secretly can’t look away from.</p>

<p>In our conversation, we explore why being curious about the morbid isn’t a flaw—it’s a fundamental part of being human. From evolutionary survival to modern entertainment, Coltan makes the case that leaning into our fascination with the macabre can actually teach us something about ourselves and the world around us. </p>

<p>It’s a provocative, fascinating, and—yes—morbidly fun discussion.</p><p>Special Guest: Coltan Scrivner .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 300: My Guest Is Scott Jones...</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>For our 300th episode of Give and Take, we’re doing something different. Instead of hosting, Scott Jones steps into the guest chair. His friend—and former guest of the show—Jane Rosenzweig takes the reins as interviewer. Together, they look back at the journey of Give and Take: the conversations that shaped it, the surprising turns along the way, and what Scott has learned from asking (and sometimes dodging) big questions over 300 episodes. They also talk about what it’s like to live out loud on a podcast, the art of listening, and where the show might go from here. It’s a candid, celebratory, and reflective conversation you won’t want to miss.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:14:33</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>For our 300th episode of Give and Take, we’re doing something different. Instead of hosting, Scott Jones steps into the guest chair. His friend—and former guest of the show—Jane Rosenzweig takes the reins as interviewer. Together, they look back at the journey of Give and Take: the conversations that shaped it, the surprising turns along the way, and what Scott has learned from asking (and sometimes dodging) big questions over 300 episodes. They also talk about what it’s like to live out loud on a podcast, the art of listening, and where the show might go from here. It’s a candid, celebratory, and reflective conversation you won’t want to miss.</p><p>Special Guest: Jane Rosenzweig.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>For our 300th episode of Give and Take, we’re doing something different. Instead of hosting, Scott Jones steps into the guest chair. His friend—and former guest of the show—Jane Rosenzweig takes the reins as interviewer. Together, they look back at the journey of Give and Take: the conversations that shaped it, the surprising turns along the way, and what Scott has learned from asking (and sometimes dodging) big questions over 300 episodes. They also talk about what it’s like to live out loud on a podcast, the art of listening, and where the show might go from here. It’s a candid, celebratory, and reflective conversation you won’t want to miss.</p><p>Special Guest: Jane Rosenzweig.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 299: Confessions of an Amateur Saint, with Mandy Smith</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with author and pastor Mandy Smith to talk about her new book Confessions of an Amateur Saint. In it, Mandy offers an honest, grace-filled exploration of what it means to stumble faithfully toward holiness in an ordinary, imperfect life. Together, they unpack how spiritual growth often looks less like polished sainthood and more like vulnerability, struggle, and deep dependence on God. It’s a conversation about embracing weakness, finding freedom in honesty, and learning that sainthood is less about striving and more about surrender.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with author and pastor Mandy Smith to talk about her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Amateur-Saint-Christian-Self-Sufficiency/dp/1641588373" rel="nofollow">Confessions of an Amateur Saint.</a> In it, Mandy offers an honest, grace-filled exploration of what it means to stumble faithfully toward holiness in an ordinary, imperfect life. Together, they unpack how spiritual growth often looks less like polished sainthood and more like vulnerability, struggle, and deep dependence on God. It’s a conversation about embracing weakness, finding freedom in honesty, and learning that sainthood is less about striving and more about surrender.</p><p>Special Guest: Mandy Smith.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with author and pastor Mandy Smith to talk about her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Amateur-Saint-Christian-Self-Sufficiency/dp/1641588373" rel="nofollow">Confessions of an Amateur Saint.</a> In it, Mandy offers an honest, grace-filled exploration of what it means to stumble faithfully toward holiness in an ordinary, imperfect life. Together, they unpack how spiritual growth often looks less like polished sainthood and more like vulnerability, struggle, and deep dependence on God. It’s a conversation about embracing weakness, finding freedom in honesty, and learning that sainthood is less about striving and more about surrender.</p><p>Special Guest: Mandy Smith.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with author and pastor Mandy Smith to talk about her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Amateur-Saint-Christian-Self-Sufficiency/dp/1641588373" rel="nofollow">Confessions of an Amateur Saint.</a> In it, Mandy offers an honest, grace-filled exploration of what it means to stumble faithfully toward holiness in an ordinary, imperfect life. Together, they unpack how spiritual growth often looks less like polished sainthood and more like vulnerability, struggle, and deep dependence on God. It’s a conversation about embracing weakness, finding freedom in honesty, and learning that sainthood is less about striving and more about surrender.</p><p>Special Guest: Mandy Smith.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 298: Is Theology Dying?...with Beatrice Marovich</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Beatrice Marovich about her provocative new essay, “Is Theology Dying?”, published in the Spring 2025 edition of The Other Journal. Marovich, author of Sister Death: Political Theologies for Living and Dying, reflects on the state of theology in our contemporary world—its dwindling institutional presence, its surprising resilience in unexpected places, and its evolving role in public discourse. Together, they explore whether theology’s apparent decline is a death knell, a transformation, or something stranger altogether.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>43:23</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Beatrice Marovich about her provocative new essay, “Is Theology Dying?”, published in the Spring 2025 edition of The Other Journal. Marovich, author of Sister Death: Political Theologies for Living and Dying, reflects on the state of theology in our contemporary world—its dwindling institutional presence, its surprising resilience in unexpected places, and its evolving role in public discourse. Together, they explore whether theology’s apparent decline is a death knell, a transformation, or something stranger altogether.</p>

<p>You can<a href="https://theotherjournal.com/2025/06/is-theology-dying/" rel="nofollow"> find &quot;Is Theology Dying?&quot; here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Beatrice Marovich about her provocative new essay, “Is Theology Dying?”, published in the Spring 2025 edition of The Other Journal. Marovich, author of Sister Death: Political Theologies for Living and Dying, reflects on the state of theology in our contemporary world—its dwindling institutional presence, its surprising resilience in unexpected places, and its evolving role in public discourse. Together, they explore whether theology’s apparent decline is a death knell, a transformation, or something stranger altogether.</p>

<p>You can<a href="https://theotherjournal.com/2025/06/is-theology-dying/" rel="nofollow"> find &quot;Is Theology Dying?&quot; here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones talks with Beatrice Marovich about her provocative new essay, “Is Theology Dying?”, published in the Spring 2025 edition of The Other Journal. Marovich, author of Sister Death: Political Theologies for Living and Dying, reflects on the state of theology in our contemporary world—its dwindling institutional presence, its surprising resilience in unexpected places, and its evolving role in public discourse. Together, they explore whether theology’s apparent decline is a death knell, a transformation, or something stranger altogether.</p>

<p>You can<a href="https://theotherjournal.com/2025/06/is-theology-dying/" rel="nofollow"> find &quot;Is Theology Dying?&quot; here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 297: Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History From The Puritans To Donald Trump, with Molly Worthen</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2025 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode Scott is joined by historian and freelance journalist Molly Worthen. Her newest book is Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History From The Puritans To Donald Trump. They explore the themes of charisma, storytelling, and personal belief. They discuss the complexities of faith, the journey from observer to practitioner, and the role of charismatic leaders in shaping narratives. Worthen shares her personal experiences of conversion and the challenges of reconciling faith with reason, while also reflecting on the importance of community and the need for meaningful stories in a chaotic world. The discussion touches on historical figures, modern political charisma, and the ongoing search for understanding in both religious and secular contexts.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:23:05</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Scott is joined by historian and freelance journalist Molly Worthen. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spellbound-Charisma-American-History-Puritans/dp/0593729005" rel="nofollow">Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History From The Puritans To Donald Trump. </a>They explore the themes of charisma, storytelling, and personal belief. They discuss the complexities of faith, the journey from observer to practitioner, and the role of charismatic leaders in shaping cultural narratives. Worthen shares her personal experiences of conversion and the challenges of reconciling faith with reason, while also reflecting on the importance of community and the need for meaningful stories in a chaotic world. The discussion touches on historical figures, modern political charisma, and the ongoing search for understanding in both religious and secular contexts.</p>

<p>You can find out more about Molly and her work at her website: <a href="https://mollyworthen.com" rel="nofollow">https://mollyworthen.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Molly Worthen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Scott is joined by historian and freelance journalist Molly Worthen. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spellbound-Charisma-American-History-Puritans/dp/0593729005" rel="nofollow">Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History From The Puritans To Donald Trump. </a>They explore the themes of charisma, storytelling, and personal belief. They discuss the complexities of faith, the journey from observer to practitioner, and the role of charismatic leaders in shaping cultural narratives. Worthen shares her personal experiences of conversion and the challenges of reconciling faith with reason, while also reflecting on the importance of community and the need for meaningful stories in a chaotic world. The discussion touches on historical figures, modern political charisma, and the ongoing search for understanding in both religious and secular contexts.</p>

<p>You can find out more about Molly and her work at her website: <a href="https://mollyworthen.com" rel="nofollow">https://mollyworthen.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Molly Worthen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Scott is joined by historian and freelance journalist Molly Worthen. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Spellbound-Charisma-American-History-Puritans/dp/0593729005" rel="nofollow">Spellbound: How Charisma Shaped American History From The Puritans To Donald Trump. </a>They explore the themes of charisma, storytelling, and personal belief. They discuss the complexities of faith, the journey from observer to practitioner, and the role of charismatic leaders in shaping cultural narratives. Worthen shares her personal experiences of conversion and the challenges of reconciling faith with reason, while also reflecting on the importance of community and the need for meaningful stories in a chaotic world. The discussion touches on historical figures, modern political charisma, and the ongoing search for understanding in both religious and secular contexts.</p>

<p>You can find out more about Molly and her work at her website: <a href="https://mollyworthen.com" rel="nofollow">https://mollyworthen.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Molly Worthen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 296: Swimming With The Sharks: Leading the Full Spectrum Church in a Red-and-Blue World, with Jack Haberer </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with pastor and author Jack Haberer to discuss his new book, Swimming With the Sharks: Leading the Full Spectrum Church in a Red-and-Blue World. As political polarization increasingly shapes—and often divides—American congregations, Jack brings hard-earned wisdom, theological depth, and pastoral sensitivity to the challenge of leading churches across ideological lines.

Drawing from decades of ministry in diverse settings, Jack shares real-world stories, practical insights, and a hopeful vision for what it means to shepherd a church that refuses to split down party lines. The conversation explores how pastors can stay rooted in the gospel while navigating cultural landmines, how churches can become spaces of faithful disagreement and spiritual growth, and why unity doesn’t have to mean uniformity.

Whether you’re a church leader, a congregant, or just someone curious about faith in a polarized age, this episode offers honest reflections and tangible guidance for engaging the tension with grace and courage.

Listen in and discover how to swim with the sharks—and lead with love.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with pastor and author Jack Haberer to discuss his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Swimming-Sharks-Spectrum-Red-Blue/dp/B0D8NY75S5/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=O43WZ&content-id=amzn1.sym.0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_p=0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_r=132-1264772-5567349&pd_rd_wg=J2f20&pd_rd_r=5d617b71-a8a3-4e4a-a365-0e568f22e514&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk" rel="nofollow">Swimming With the Sharks: Leading the Full Spectrum Church in a Red-and-Blue World.</a> As political polarization increasingly shapes—and often divides—American congregations, Jack brings hard-earned wisdom, theological depth, and pastoral sensitivity to the challenge of leading churches across ideological lines.</p>

<p>Drawing from decades of ministry in diverse settings, Jack shares real-world stories, practical insights, and a hopeful vision for what it means to shepherd a church that refuses to split down party lines. The conversation explores how pastors can stay rooted in the gospel while navigating cultural landmines, how churches can become spaces of faithful disagreement and spiritual growth, and why unity doesn’t have to mean uniformity.</p>

<p>Whether you’re a church leader, a congregant, or just someone curious about faith in a polarized age, this episode offers honest reflections and tangible guidance for engaging the tension with grace and courage.</p>

<p>Listen in and discover how to swim with the sharks—and lead with love.</p><p>Special Guest: Jack Haberer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with pastor and author Jack Haberer to discuss his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Swimming-Sharks-Spectrum-Red-Blue/dp/B0D8NY75S5/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=O43WZ&content-id=amzn1.sym.0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_p=0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_r=132-1264772-5567349&pd_rd_wg=J2f20&pd_rd_r=5d617b71-a8a3-4e4a-a365-0e568f22e514&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk" rel="nofollow">Swimming With the Sharks: Leading the Full Spectrum Church in a Red-and-Blue World.</a> As political polarization increasingly shapes—and often divides—American congregations, Jack brings hard-earned wisdom, theological depth, and pastoral sensitivity to the challenge of leading churches across ideological lines.</p>

<p>Drawing from decades of ministry in diverse settings, Jack shares real-world stories, practical insights, and a hopeful vision for what it means to shepherd a church that refuses to split down party lines. The conversation explores how pastors can stay rooted in the gospel while navigating cultural landmines, how churches can become spaces of faithful disagreement and spiritual growth, and why unity doesn’t have to mean uniformity.</p>

<p>Whether you’re a church leader, a congregant, or just someone curious about faith in a polarized age, this episode offers honest reflections and tangible guidance for engaging the tension with grace and courage.</p>

<p>Listen in and discover how to swim with the sharks—and lead with love.</p><p>Special Guest: Jack Haberer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott Jones sits down with pastor and author Jack Haberer to discuss his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Swimming-Sharks-Spectrum-Red-Blue/dp/B0D8NY75S5/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=O43WZ&content-id=amzn1.sym.0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_p=0fb2cce1-1ca4-439a-844b-8ad0b1fb77f7&pf_rd_r=132-1264772-5567349&pd_rd_wg=J2f20&pd_rd_r=5d617b71-a8a3-4e4a-a365-0e568f22e514&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk" rel="nofollow">Swimming With the Sharks: Leading the Full Spectrum Church in a Red-and-Blue World.</a> As political polarization increasingly shapes—and often divides—American congregations, Jack brings hard-earned wisdom, theological depth, and pastoral sensitivity to the challenge of leading churches across ideological lines.</p>

<p>Drawing from decades of ministry in diverse settings, Jack shares real-world stories, practical insights, and a hopeful vision for what it means to shepherd a church that refuses to split down party lines. The conversation explores how pastors can stay rooted in the gospel while navigating cultural landmines, how churches can become spaces of faithful disagreement and spiritual growth, and why unity doesn’t have to mean uniformity.</p>

<p>Whether you’re a church leader, a congregant, or just someone curious about faith in a polarized age, this episode offers honest reflections and tangible guidance for engaging the tension with grace and courage.</p>

<p>Listen in and discover how to swim with the sharks—and lead with love.</p><p>Special Guest: Jack Haberer .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 295: Believing, with Lauren Jackson</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2025 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Lauren Jackson, writer of The Believing Project at The New York Times. Lauren explores the strange, beautiful, and sometimes baffling terrain of American religious life—what we believe, why we believe it, and how belief shapes the way we live. We talk about the origin of her project, the state of faith in an increasingly secular age, and why the stories we tell about belief might be more important than ever. From revival tents to deconstruction TikToks, Lauren brings a literary and deeply curious lens to the spiritual landscape. It’s a conversation about belief, doubt, devotion, and the stories that make us.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Lauren Jackson, writer of The Believing Project at The New York Times. Lauren explores the strange, beautiful, and sometimes baffling terrain of American religious life—what we believe, why we believe it, and how belief shapes the way we live. We talk about the origin of her project, the state of faith in an increasingly secular age, and why the stories we tell about belief might be more important than ever. From revival tents to deconstruction TikToks, Lauren brings a literary and deeply curious lens to the spiritual landscape. It’s a conversation about belief, doubt, devotion, and the stories that make us.</p>

<p>In this conversation, Lauren shares her experiences growing up in the Mormon Church in Arkansas, exploring the complexities of faith, identity, and the search for meaning in a secular world. She discusses the challenges of navigating religious beliefs in modern society, the role of religion in politics, and the cultural shifts surrounding spirituality. Lauren reflects on her personal journey, the longing for connection, and the importance of understanding diverse belief systems in today&#39;s world.</p>

<p><strong>Takeaways</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Lauren grew up in the Mormon Church in Arkansas, which shaped her worldview.</li>
<li>She describes a strong sense of identity and community within her faith.</li>
<li>The concept of cosmology in the LDS Church offers a unique perspective on eternity.</li>
<li>Lauren explores the crisis of belief in modern society and the search for meaning.</li>
<li>She discusses the stagnation of secularization and the rise of alternative spiritual practices.</li>
<li>The role of religion in politics is significant, especially in the context of the right&#39;s embrace of faith.</li>
<li>Cultural Christianity is becoming a part of conservative identity in the U.S.</li>
<li>Navigating religious identity in college posed challenges for Lauren.</li>
<li>The power of belief is crucial in political movements and community building.</li>
<li>Lauren expresses a longing for connection and understanding in her spiritual journey.</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Chapters</strong></p>

<p>00:00  Introduction and Personal Background<br>
02:59  Growing Up Mormon in Arkansas<br>
05:52  The Concept of Cosmology in Faith<br>
08:39  Crisis of Belief in Modern Society<br>
11:34  Exploring Secularization and Spiritual Alternatives<br>
14:37  The Role of Religion in Providing Meaning<br>
17:35  Cultural Christianity and Its Resurgence<br>
20:45  Navigating Faith and Identity in College<br>
23:24  The Right&#39;s Embrace of Religion and Belief<br>
27:29  The Collision of Digital Forces and Governance<br>
29:17  The Power of Belief in Politics<br>
30:52. Understanding Religious Rhetoric in Political Messaging<br>
33:49  Emotive Decision Making in Politics<br>
36:02  Engaging with Celebrity Voices in Spirituality<br>
39:56  The Role of Religion in Journalism<br>
45:46  Personal Spiritual Longing and Identity<br>
49:01  Navigating Relationships as a Public Ex-Mormon</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Jackson.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Lauren Jackson, writer of The Believing Project at The New York Times. Lauren explores the strange, beautiful, and sometimes baffling terrain of American religious life—what we believe, why we believe it, and how belief shapes the way we live. We talk about the origin of her project, the state of faith in an increasingly secular age, and why the stories we tell about belief might be more important than ever. From revival tents to deconstruction TikToks, Lauren brings a literary and deeply curious lens to the spiritual landscape. It’s a conversation about belief, doubt, devotion, and the stories that make us.</p>

<p>In this conversation, Lauren shares her experiences growing up in the Mormon Church in Arkansas, exploring the complexities of faith, identity, and the search for meaning in a secular world. She discusses the challenges of navigating religious beliefs in modern society, the role of religion in politics, and the cultural shifts surrounding spirituality. Lauren reflects on her personal journey, the longing for connection, and the importance of understanding diverse belief systems in today&#39;s world.</p>

<p><strong>Takeaways</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Lauren grew up in the Mormon Church in Arkansas, which shaped her worldview.</li>
<li>She describes a strong sense of identity and community within her faith.</li>
<li>The concept of cosmology in the LDS Church offers a unique perspective on eternity.</li>
<li>Lauren explores the crisis of belief in modern society and the search for meaning.</li>
<li>She discusses the stagnation of secularization and the rise of alternative spiritual practices.</li>
<li>The role of religion in politics is significant, especially in the context of the right&#39;s embrace of faith.</li>
<li>Cultural Christianity is becoming a part of conservative identity in the U.S.</li>
<li>Navigating religious identity in college posed challenges for Lauren.</li>
<li>The power of belief is crucial in political movements and community building.</li>
<li>Lauren expresses a longing for connection and understanding in her spiritual journey.</li>
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<p><strong>Chapters</strong></p>

<p>00:00  Introduction and Personal Background<br>
02:59  Growing Up Mormon in Arkansas<br>
05:52  The Concept of Cosmology in Faith<br>
08:39  Crisis of Belief in Modern Society<br>
11:34  Exploring Secularization and Spiritual Alternatives<br>
14:37  The Role of Religion in Providing Meaning<br>
17:35  Cultural Christianity and Its Resurgence<br>
20:45  Navigating Faith and Identity in College<br>
23:24  The Right&#39;s Embrace of Religion and Belief<br>
27:29  The Collision of Digital Forces and Governance<br>
29:17  The Power of Belief in Politics<br>
30:52. Understanding Religious Rhetoric in Political Messaging<br>
33:49  Emotive Decision Making in Politics<br>
36:02  Engaging with Celebrity Voices in Spirituality<br>
39:56  The Role of Religion in Journalism<br>
45:46  Personal Spiritual Longing and Identity<br>
49:01  Navigating Relationships as a Public Ex-Mormon</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Jackson.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, I talk with Lauren Jackson, writer of The Believing Project at The New York Times. Lauren explores the strange, beautiful, and sometimes baffling terrain of American religious life—what we believe, why we believe it, and how belief shapes the way we live. We talk about the origin of her project, the state of faith in an increasingly secular age, and why the stories we tell about belief might be more important than ever. From revival tents to deconstruction TikToks, Lauren brings a literary and deeply curious lens to the spiritual landscape. It’s a conversation about belief, doubt, devotion, and the stories that make us.</p>

<p>In this conversation, Lauren shares her experiences growing up in the Mormon Church in Arkansas, exploring the complexities of faith, identity, and the search for meaning in a secular world. She discusses the challenges of navigating religious beliefs in modern society, the role of religion in politics, and the cultural shifts surrounding spirituality. Lauren reflects on her personal journey, the longing for connection, and the importance of understanding diverse belief systems in today&#39;s world.</p>

<p><strong>Takeaways</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>Lauren grew up in the Mormon Church in Arkansas, which shaped her worldview.</li>
<li>She describes a strong sense of identity and community within her faith.</li>
<li>The concept of cosmology in the LDS Church offers a unique perspective on eternity.</li>
<li>Lauren explores the crisis of belief in modern society and the search for meaning.</li>
<li>She discusses the stagnation of secularization and the rise of alternative spiritual practices.</li>
<li>The role of religion in politics is significant, especially in the context of the right&#39;s embrace of faith.</li>
<li>Cultural Christianity is becoming a part of conservative identity in the U.S.</li>
<li>Navigating religious identity in college posed challenges for Lauren.</li>
<li>The power of belief is crucial in political movements and community building.</li>
<li>Lauren expresses a longing for connection and understanding in her spiritual journey.</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Chapters</strong></p>

<p>00:00  Introduction and Personal Background<br>
02:59  Growing Up Mormon in Arkansas<br>
05:52  The Concept of Cosmology in Faith<br>
08:39  Crisis of Belief in Modern Society<br>
11:34  Exploring Secularization and Spiritual Alternatives<br>
14:37  The Role of Religion in Providing Meaning<br>
17:35  Cultural Christianity and Its Resurgence<br>
20:45  Navigating Faith and Identity in College<br>
23:24  The Right&#39;s Embrace of Religion and Belief<br>
27:29  The Collision of Digital Forces and Governance<br>
29:17  The Power of Belief in Politics<br>
30:52. Understanding Religious Rhetoric in Political Messaging<br>
33:49  Emotive Decision Making in Politics<br>
36:02  Engaging with Celebrity Voices in Spirituality<br>
39:56  The Role of Religion in Journalism<br>
45:46  Personal Spiritual Longing and Identity<br>
49:01  Navigating Relationships as a Public Ex-Mormon</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Jackson.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 294: It's Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground, with David Litt</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2025 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Litt. His newest book is It's Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground. Litt, a former Obama speechwriter moves to the Jersey Shore and learns to surf with the help of his brother-in-law: a tattooed, truck-driving Joe Rogan superfan. David, the Yale-educated writer with a fear of sharks, and Matt, the daredevil electrician with a shed full of surfboards, had never been close. But as America’s crises piled up and David spiraled into existential dread, he noticed that his brother-in-law was thriving. He began to suspect Matt’s favorite hobby had something to do with it. David started taking surf lessons. For months, he wiped out on waves the height of daffodils. Yet, after realizing that surfing could change him both in and out of the water, he set an audacious goal: riding a big wave in Hawaii. He searched for an expert he could trust to guide and protect him—and when he couldn’t find one, he asked Matt. Together, they set out on a journey that spanned coasts, and even continents, before taking them to Oahu’s famously dangerous North Shore. It’s Only Drowning is a laugh-out-loud love letter to surfing—and so much more. It’s an ode to embarking on adventures at any age. It’s a blueprint for becoming braver at a time when it takes courage just to read the news. Most of all, it’s the story of an unlikely friendship, one that crosses the fault lines of education, ideology, and culture tearing so many of us apart.

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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Litt. His newest book is <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Its-Only-Drowning-Learning-Search/dp/1668035359" rel="nofollow">It&#39;s Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground.</a></em> Litt, a former Obama speechwriter moves to the Jersey Shore and learns to surf with the help of his brother-in-law: a tattooed, truck-driving Joe Rogan superfan. David, the Yale-educated writer with a fear of sharks, and Matt, the daredevil electrician with a shed full of surfboards, had never been close. But as America’s crises piled up and David spiraled into existential dread, he noticed that his brother-in-law was thriving. He began to suspect Matt’s favorite hobby had something to do with it. David started taking surf lessons. For months, he wiped out on waves the height of daffodils. Yet, after realizing that surfing could change him both in and out of the water, he set an audacious goal: riding a big wave in Hawaii. He searched for an expert he could trust to guide and protect him—and when he couldn’t find one, he asked Matt. Together, they set out on a journey that spanned coasts, and even continents, before taking them to Oahu’s famously dangerous North Shore. <em>It’s Only Drowning</em> is a laugh-out-loud love letter to surfing—and so much more. It’s an ode to embarking on adventures at any age. It’s a blueprint for becoming braver at a time when it takes courage just to read the news. Most of all, it’s the story of an unlikely friendship, one that crosses the fault lines of education, ideology, and culture tearing so many of us apart.</p>

<p><strong>Takeaways</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>David discusses his struggles with inactivity during COVID.</li>
<li>He reflects on the cultural acceptance of workaholism in America.</li>
<li>The conversation highlights the need for better work-life balance in Washington.</li>
<li>Surfing serves as a metaphor for embracing life&#39;s challenges.</li>
<li>David learns from his brother-in-law&#39;s different approach to life.</li>
<li>The importance of trying new things and embracing change is emphasized.</li>
<li>Fear can be a powerful motivator for personal growth.</li>
<li>Judgment can create power dynamics in relationships.</li>
<li>The need for joy and creativity in political discourse is discussed.</li>
<li>David reflects on the importance of empathy in understanding others.</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Summary</strong></p>

<p>In this engaging conversation, David Litt discusses his experiences during the COVID pandemic, reflecting on themes of workaholism, personal growth, and the importance of embracing fear. He shares insights from his journey of learning to surf, using it as a metaphor for navigating life&#39;s challenges. The discussion also touches on the cultural dynamics of Washington, the need for joy in political discourse, and the significance of empathy in understanding others. David emphasizes the importance of trying new things and finding balance in a chaotic world, ultimately inspiring listeners to embrace change and seek personal fulfillment.</p>

<p><strong>Chapters</strong></p>

<p>00:00 Navigating Life Insurance and Pandemic Blues<br>
06:47 The Impact of Workaholism on Washington<br>
10:21 Surfing as a Means of Escape<br>
14:39 Judgment and Power Dynamics<br>
24:53 The Fusion of Identity and Ideology<br>
26:21 The Comfort of Political Segregation<br>
27:12 Surfing as a Means of Escape<br>
28:33 Finding Joy in Life&#39;s Challenges<br>
30:26 The Balance of Control and Surrender<br>
32:42 Agency in a World of Uncertainty<br>
34:28 The Importance of Trying<br>
34:53 The Liberal Narrative and Happiness<br>
36:38 Awareness and Empathy in Politics<br>
38:01 The Burden of Responsibility<br>
40:17 Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy<br>
42:37 Embracing Fear and Uncertainty<br>
46:03 Understanding Relationships Through Fear<br>
50:07 The Complexity of Human Emotions<br>
52:02 Revitalizing the Democratic Party<br>
56:23 The Future of Political Engagement</p><p>Special Guest: David Litt.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Litt. His newest book is <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Its-Only-Drowning-Learning-Search/dp/1668035359" rel="nofollow">It&#39;s Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground.</a></em> Litt, a former Obama speechwriter moves to the Jersey Shore and learns to surf with the help of his brother-in-law: a tattooed, truck-driving Joe Rogan superfan. David, the Yale-educated writer with a fear of sharks, and Matt, the daredevil electrician with a shed full of surfboards, had never been close. But as America’s crises piled up and David spiraled into existential dread, he noticed that his brother-in-law was thriving. He began to suspect Matt’s favorite hobby had something to do with it. David started taking surf lessons. For months, he wiped out on waves the height of daffodils. Yet, after realizing that surfing could change him both in and out of the water, he set an audacious goal: riding a big wave in Hawaii. He searched for an expert he could trust to guide and protect him—and when he couldn’t find one, he asked Matt. Together, they set out on a journey that spanned coasts, and even continents, before taking them to Oahu’s famously dangerous North Shore. <em>It’s Only Drowning</em> is a laugh-out-loud love letter to surfing—and so much more. It’s an ode to embarking on adventures at any age. It’s a blueprint for becoming braver at a time when it takes courage just to read the news. Most of all, it’s the story of an unlikely friendship, one that crosses the fault lines of education, ideology, and culture tearing so many of us apart.</p>

<p><strong>Takeaways</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>David discusses his struggles with inactivity during COVID.</li>
<li>He reflects on the cultural acceptance of workaholism in America.</li>
<li>The conversation highlights the need for better work-life balance in Washington.</li>
<li>Surfing serves as a metaphor for embracing life&#39;s challenges.</li>
<li>David learns from his brother-in-law&#39;s different approach to life.</li>
<li>The importance of trying new things and embracing change is emphasized.</li>
<li>Fear can be a powerful motivator for personal growth.</li>
<li>Judgment can create power dynamics in relationships.</li>
<li>The need for joy and creativity in political discourse is discussed.</li>
<li>David reflects on the importance of empathy in understanding others.</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Summary</strong></p>

<p>In this engaging conversation, David Litt discusses his experiences during the COVID pandemic, reflecting on themes of workaholism, personal growth, and the importance of embracing fear. He shares insights from his journey of learning to surf, using it as a metaphor for navigating life&#39;s challenges. The discussion also touches on the cultural dynamics of Washington, the need for joy in political discourse, and the significance of empathy in understanding others. David emphasizes the importance of trying new things and finding balance in a chaotic world, ultimately inspiring listeners to embrace change and seek personal fulfillment.</p>

<p><strong>Chapters</strong></p>

<p>00:00 Navigating Life Insurance and Pandemic Blues<br>
06:47 The Impact of Workaholism on Washington<br>
10:21 Surfing as a Means of Escape<br>
14:39 Judgment and Power Dynamics<br>
24:53 The Fusion of Identity and Ideology<br>
26:21 The Comfort of Political Segregation<br>
27:12 Surfing as a Means of Escape<br>
28:33 Finding Joy in Life&#39;s Challenges<br>
30:26 The Balance of Control and Surrender<br>
32:42 Agency in a World of Uncertainty<br>
34:28 The Importance of Trying<br>
34:53 The Liberal Narrative and Happiness<br>
36:38 Awareness and Empathy in Politics<br>
38:01 The Burden of Responsibility<br>
40:17 Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy<br>
42:37 Embracing Fear and Uncertainty<br>
46:03 Understanding Relationships Through Fear<br>
50:07 The Complexity of Human Emotions<br>
52:02 Revitalizing the Democratic Party<br>
56:23 The Future of Political Engagement</p><p>Special Guest: David Litt.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Litt. His newest book is <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Its-Only-Drowning-Learning-Search/dp/1668035359" rel="nofollow">It&#39;s Only Drowning: A True Story of Learning to Surf and the Search for Common Ground.</a></em> Litt, a former Obama speechwriter moves to the Jersey Shore and learns to surf with the help of his brother-in-law: a tattooed, truck-driving Joe Rogan superfan. David, the Yale-educated writer with a fear of sharks, and Matt, the daredevil electrician with a shed full of surfboards, had never been close. But as America’s crises piled up and David spiraled into existential dread, he noticed that his brother-in-law was thriving. He began to suspect Matt’s favorite hobby had something to do with it. David started taking surf lessons. For months, he wiped out on waves the height of daffodils. Yet, after realizing that surfing could change him both in and out of the water, he set an audacious goal: riding a big wave in Hawaii. He searched for an expert he could trust to guide and protect him—and when he couldn’t find one, he asked Matt. Together, they set out on a journey that spanned coasts, and even continents, before taking them to Oahu’s famously dangerous North Shore. <em>It’s Only Drowning</em> is a laugh-out-loud love letter to surfing—and so much more. It’s an ode to embarking on adventures at any age. It’s a blueprint for becoming braver at a time when it takes courage just to read the news. Most of all, it’s the story of an unlikely friendship, one that crosses the fault lines of education, ideology, and culture tearing so many of us apart.</p>

<p><strong>Takeaways</strong></p>

<ul>
<li>David discusses his struggles with inactivity during COVID.</li>
<li>He reflects on the cultural acceptance of workaholism in America.</li>
<li>The conversation highlights the need for better work-life balance in Washington.</li>
<li>Surfing serves as a metaphor for embracing life&#39;s challenges.</li>
<li>David learns from his brother-in-law&#39;s different approach to life.</li>
<li>The importance of trying new things and embracing change is emphasized.</li>
<li>Fear can be a powerful motivator for personal growth.</li>
<li>Judgment can create power dynamics in relationships.</li>
<li>The need for joy and creativity in political discourse is discussed.</li>
<li>David reflects on the importance of empathy in understanding others.</li>
</ul>

<p><strong>Summary</strong></p>

<p>In this engaging conversation, David Litt discusses his experiences during the COVID pandemic, reflecting on themes of workaholism, personal growth, and the importance of embracing fear. He shares insights from his journey of learning to surf, using it as a metaphor for navigating life&#39;s challenges. The discussion also touches on the cultural dynamics of Washington, the need for joy in political discourse, and the significance of empathy in understanding others. David emphasizes the importance of trying new things and finding balance in a chaotic world, ultimately inspiring listeners to embrace change and seek personal fulfillment.</p>

<p><strong>Chapters</strong></p>

<p>00:00 Navigating Life Insurance and Pandemic Blues<br>
06:47 The Impact of Workaholism on Washington<br>
10:21 Surfing as a Means of Escape<br>
14:39 Judgment and Power Dynamics<br>
24:53 The Fusion of Identity and Ideology<br>
26:21 The Comfort of Political Segregation<br>
27:12 Surfing as a Means of Escape<br>
28:33 Finding Joy in Life&#39;s Challenges<br>
30:26 The Balance of Control and Surrender<br>
32:42 Agency in a World of Uncertainty<br>
34:28 The Importance of Trying<br>
34:53 The Liberal Narrative and Happiness<br>
36:38 Awareness and Empathy in Politics<br>
38:01 The Burden of Responsibility<br>
40:17 Finding Joy Amidst Tragedy<br>
42:37 Embracing Fear and Uncertainty<br>
46:03 Understanding Relationships Through Fear<br>
50:07 The Complexity of Human Emotions<br>
52:02 Revitalizing the Democratic Party<br>
56:23 The Future of Political Engagement</p><p>Special Guest: David Litt.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 293: The Rise of the Not-Left, with William Deresiewicz </title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2025 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with essayist and cultural critic William Deresiewicz about his provocative piece Post Election, published in Salmagundi magazine. They explore the growing disaffection with the contemporary left among intellectuals, artists, and other traditional allies, and the emergence of what Deresiewicz calls the “not-left.” It's a wide-ranging conversation about politics, culture, class, and what it means to think independently in a polarized age.
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with essayist and cultural critic William Deresiewicz about his provocative piece Post Election, published in Salmagundi magazine. They explore the growing disaffection with the contemporary left among intellectuals, artists, and other traditional allies, and the emergence of what Deresiewicz calls the “not-left.” It&#39;s a wide-ranging conversation about politics, culture, class, and what it means to think independently in a polarized age.</p>

<p>You can find Bill&#39;s <a href="https://salmagundi.skidmore.edu/articles/1242-post-election" rel="nofollow">essay here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: William Deresiewicz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with essayist and cultural critic William Deresiewicz about his provocative piece Post Election, published in Salmagundi magazine. They explore the growing disaffection with the contemporary left among intellectuals, artists, and other traditional allies, and the emergence of what Deresiewicz calls the “not-left.” It&#39;s a wide-ranging conversation about politics, culture, class, and what it means to think independently in a polarized age.</p>

<p>You can find Bill&#39;s <a href="https://salmagundi.skidmore.edu/articles/1242-post-election" rel="nofollow">essay here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: William Deresiewicz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with essayist and cultural critic William Deresiewicz about his provocative piece Post Election, published in Salmagundi magazine. They explore the growing disaffection with the contemporary left among intellectuals, artists, and other traditional allies, and the emergence of what Deresiewicz calls the “not-left.” It&#39;s a wide-ranging conversation about politics, culture, class, and what it means to think independently in a polarized age.</p>

<p>You can find Bill&#39;s <a href="https://salmagundi.skidmore.edu/articles/1242-post-election" rel="nofollow">essay here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: William Deresiewicz.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 292: What To Do With Data, with Justin Evans </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2025 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Justin Evans, author of The Little Book of Data. Justin has spent his career helping companies and creatives make sense of the numbers that shape our world. In his new book, he distills big ideas about data into bite-sized insights that are accessible, engaging, and surprisingly fun. We talk about how data can clarify rather than complicate, how it shapes decision-making in business and life, and why learning to read the "small print" of the digital age might just be a superpower. Whether you're a data skeptic or a spreadsheet junkie, this conversation will change how you think about the numbers that surround us.
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Justin Evans, author of<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Little-Book-Data-Understanding-Analytics/dp/1400248353" rel="nofollow"> The Little Book of Data</a>. Justin has spent his career helping companies and creatives make sense of the numbers that shape our world. In his new book, he distills big ideas about data into bite-sized insights that are accessible, engaging, and surprisingly fun. We talk about how data can clarify rather than complicate, how it shapes decision-making in business and life, and why learning to read the &quot;small print&quot; of the digital age might just be a superpower. Whether you&#39;re a data skeptic or a spreadsheet junkie, this conversation will change how you think about the numbers that surround us.</p><p>Special Guest: Justin Evans.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Justin Evans, author of<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Little-Book-Data-Understanding-Analytics/dp/1400248353" rel="nofollow"> The Little Book of Data</a>. Justin has spent his career helping companies and creatives make sense of the numbers that shape our world. In his new book, he distills big ideas about data into bite-sized insights that are accessible, engaging, and surprisingly fun. We talk about how data can clarify rather than complicate, how it shapes decision-making in business and life, and why learning to read the &quot;small print&quot; of the digital age might just be a superpower. Whether you&#39;re a data skeptic or a spreadsheet junkie, this conversation will change how you think about the numbers that surround us.</p><p>Special Guest: Justin Evans.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Justin Evans, author of<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Little-Book-Data-Understanding-Analytics/dp/1400248353" rel="nofollow"> The Little Book of Data</a>. Justin has spent his career helping companies and creatives make sense of the numbers that shape our world. In his new book, he distills big ideas about data into bite-sized insights that are accessible, engaging, and surprisingly fun. We talk about how data can clarify rather than complicate, how it shapes decision-making in business and life, and why learning to read the &quot;small print&quot; of the digital age might just be a superpower. Whether you&#39;re a data skeptic or a spreadsheet junkie, this conversation will change how you think about the numbers that surround us.</p><p>Special Guest: Justin Evans.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, I’m joined by Todd McGowan, philosopher, psychoanalytic theorist, and author of Universality and Identity Politics. We explore the central argument of his book—that true political transformation requires a return to universality, not a retreat into particular identities. Todd challenges prevailing assumptions about identity-based movements and offers a compelling alternative grounded in psychoanalytic theory and Hegelian philosophy. It’s a provocative and timely conversation about how we understand solidarity, difference, and what it means to build a more just world.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, I’m joined by Todd McGowan, philosopher, psychoanalytic theorist, and author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Universality-Identity-Politics-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231197705/ref=sr_1_1?crid=8C9U2EPDO9BE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.r5Z7sTqttNg-EcLCYP7X_WGdcvAZuBYwncEdhvZ_-6fI3QZleKwpbKPQLprw-cioT4S9ZUob9fFmYoVhnYcZau5wcU7DhzX24KrA_O8KE38noZIvRg5ie8hCU4ips4leehB14VrhNR3IbC8CdASRUg.pCUb8ADulIxkR2YhubPdyQqN7Zs2gNB-_QT1xVeb7oA&dib_tag=se&keywords=universality+and+identity+politics&qid=1748553149&sprefix=universality+and+identity+politics%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Universality and Identity Politics.</a> We explore the central argument of his book—that true political transformation requires a return to universality, not a retreat into particular identities. Todd challenges prevailing assumptions about identity-based movements and offers a compelling alternative grounded in psychoanalytic theory and Hegelian philosophy. It’s a provocative and timely conversation about how we understand solidarity, difference, and what it means to build a more just world.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, I’m joined by Todd McGowan, philosopher, psychoanalytic theorist, and author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Universality-Identity-Politics-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231197705/ref=sr_1_1?crid=8C9U2EPDO9BE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.r5Z7sTqttNg-EcLCYP7X_WGdcvAZuBYwncEdhvZ_-6fI3QZleKwpbKPQLprw-cioT4S9ZUob9fFmYoVhnYcZau5wcU7DhzX24KrA_O8KE38noZIvRg5ie8hCU4ips4leehB14VrhNR3IbC8CdASRUg.pCUb8ADulIxkR2YhubPdyQqN7Zs2gNB-_QT1xVeb7oA&dib_tag=se&keywords=universality+and+identity+politics&qid=1748553149&sprefix=universality+and+identity+politics%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Universality and Identity Politics.</a> We explore the central argument of his book—that true political transformation requires a return to universality, not a retreat into particular identities. Todd challenges prevailing assumptions about identity-based movements and offers a compelling alternative grounded in psychoanalytic theory and Hegelian philosophy. It’s a provocative and timely conversation about how we understand solidarity, difference, and what it means to build a more just world.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, I’m joined by Todd McGowan, philosopher, psychoanalytic theorist, and author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Universality-Identity-Politics-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231197705/ref=sr_1_1?crid=8C9U2EPDO9BE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.r5Z7sTqttNg-EcLCYP7X_WGdcvAZuBYwncEdhvZ_-6fI3QZleKwpbKPQLprw-cioT4S9ZUob9fFmYoVhnYcZau5wcU7DhzX24KrA_O8KE38noZIvRg5ie8hCU4ips4leehB14VrhNR3IbC8CdASRUg.pCUb8ADulIxkR2YhubPdyQqN7Zs2gNB-_QT1xVeb7oA&dib_tag=se&keywords=universality+and+identity+politics&qid=1748553149&sprefix=universality+and+identity+politics%2Caps%2C88&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Universality and Identity Politics.</a> We explore the central argument of his book—that true political transformation requires a return to universality, not a retreat into particular identities. Todd challenges prevailing assumptions about identity-based movements and offers a compelling alternative grounded in psychoanalytic theory and Hegelian philosophy. It’s a provocative and timely conversation about how we understand solidarity, difference, and what it means to build a more just world.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 290: Is the War in Gaza Just?...with Thane Rosenbaum </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. His latest book, Beyond Proportionality: Israel’s Just War in Gaza, challenges prevailing narratives surrounding Israel's military actions in Gaza, arguing that accusations of disproportionate force overlook the complexities of modern urban warfare and the legal standards governing armed conflict.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. His latest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Proportionality-Israels-Just-Gaza/dp/B0F8415Z4N/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.l8elEFVBoCrED4HkFk9Jj38hhVpvZgWN3Z-Wzac0_1QJzclfxh7wda7vpFxqTIcb.h5NAqaNaDiyt6uE4f4HZ4lyvRWaJHqPfcUDjsKxvfmg&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693512980469&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9007284&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=1760559380053206389--&hvqmt=b&hvrand=1760559380053206389&hvtargid=kwd-2476431374527&hydadcr=22562_13531169&keywords=beyond+proportionality&mcid=db5daf38099d3098ae2f01ea29d2a485&qid=1747861086&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Beyond Proportionality: Israel’s Just War in Gaza</a>, challenges prevailing narratives surrounding Israel&#39;s military actions in Gaza, arguing that accusations of disproportionate force overlook the complexities of modern urban warfare and the legal standards governing armed conflict.</p>

<p>Drawing upon international humanitarian law, including the Geneva Conventions and the U.N. Charter, Rosenbaum contends that Israel&#39;s military operations target legitimate threats such as terrorist infrastructure and weaponry, while taking measures to minimize civilian casualties. He emphasizes that the principle of proportionality should be assessed based on the intent and conduct of military actions, rather than solely on casualty figures</p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. His latest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Proportionality-Israels-Just-Gaza/dp/B0F8415Z4N/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.l8elEFVBoCrED4HkFk9Jj38hhVpvZgWN3Z-Wzac0_1QJzclfxh7wda7vpFxqTIcb.h5NAqaNaDiyt6uE4f4HZ4lyvRWaJHqPfcUDjsKxvfmg&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693512980469&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9007284&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=1760559380053206389--&hvqmt=b&hvrand=1760559380053206389&hvtargid=kwd-2476431374527&hydadcr=22562_13531169&keywords=beyond+proportionality&mcid=db5daf38099d3098ae2f01ea29d2a485&qid=1747861086&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Beyond Proportionality: Israel’s Just War in Gaza</a>, challenges prevailing narratives surrounding Israel&#39;s military actions in Gaza, arguing that accusations of disproportionate force overlook the complexities of modern urban warfare and the legal standards governing armed conflict.</p>

<p>Drawing upon international humanitarian law, including the Geneva Conventions and the U.N. Charter, Rosenbaum contends that Israel&#39;s military operations target legitimate threats such as terrorist infrastructure and weaponry, while taking measures to minimize civilian casualties. He emphasizes that the principle of proportionality should be assessed based on the intent and conduct of military actions, rather than solely on casualty figures</p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. His latest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Proportionality-Israels-Just-Gaza/dp/B0F8415Z4N/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.l8elEFVBoCrED4HkFk9Jj38hhVpvZgWN3Z-Wzac0_1QJzclfxh7wda7vpFxqTIcb.h5NAqaNaDiyt6uE4f4HZ4lyvRWaJHqPfcUDjsKxvfmg&dib_tag=se&hvadid=693512980469&hvdev=c&hvexpln=67&hvlocphy=9007284&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=1760559380053206389--&hvqmt=b&hvrand=1760559380053206389&hvtargid=kwd-2476431374527&hydadcr=22562_13531169&keywords=beyond+proportionality&mcid=db5daf38099d3098ae2f01ea29d2a485&qid=1747861086&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Beyond Proportionality: Israel’s Just War in Gaza</a>, challenges prevailing narratives surrounding Israel&#39;s military actions in Gaza, arguing that accusations of disproportionate force overlook the complexities of modern urban warfare and the legal standards governing armed conflict.</p>

<p>Drawing upon international humanitarian law, including the Geneva Conventions and the U.N. Charter, Rosenbaum contends that Israel&#39;s military operations target legitimate threats such as terrorist infrastructure and weaponry, while taking measures to minimize civilian casualties. He emphasizes that the principle of proportionality should be assessed based on the intent and conduct of military actions, rather than solely on casualty figures</p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 289: Forget the Camel: The Madcap World of Animal Festivals and What They Say about Being Human, with Elizabeth Melampy</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2025 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Elizabeth MeLampy, author of Forget the Camel: Animals, Symbols, and the Stories We Tell. From rattlesnake roundups in Texas to lobster boils on the Maine coast, and the curious case of a certain Pennsylvanian groundhog, MeLampy explores the surprising ways animals help us build communities, confront our fears, and make meaning in a messy world. Together, they discuss how rituals involving creatures both wild and domestic reveal our deepest cultural myths—about nature, class, history, and ourselves.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:28</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Elizabeth MeLampy, author of Forget the Camel: Animals, Symbols, and the Stories We Tell. From rattlesnake roundups in Texas to lobster boils on the Maine coast, and the curious case of a certain Pennsylvanian groundhog, MeLampy explores the surprising ways animals help us build communities, confront our fears, and make meaning in a messy world. Together, they discuss how rituals involving creatures both wild and domestic reveal our deepest cultural myths—about nature, class, history, and ourselves.</p>

<p>What do sled dogs say about heroism? How does killing a rattlesnake become a rite of regional pride? And why do we still care what a groundhog sees in February? Tune in for a conversation that’s as thought-provoking as it is unexpected.</p><p>Special Guest: Elizabeth Melampy.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, Scott talks with Elizabeth MeLampy, author of Forget the Camel: Animals, Symbols, and the Stories We Tell. From rattlesnake roundups in Texas to lobster boils on the Maine coast, and the curious case of a certain Pennsylvanian groundhog, MeLampy explores the surprising ways animals help us build communities, confront our fears, and make meaning in a messy world. Together, they discuss how rituals involving creatures both wild and domestic reveal our deepest cultural myths—about nature, class, history, and ourselves.</p>

<p>What do sled dogs say about heroism? How does killing a rattlesnake become a rite of regional pride? And why do we still care what a groundhog sees in February? Tune in for a conversation that’s as thought-provoking as it is unexpected.</p><p>Special Guest: Elizabeth Melampy.</p>]]>
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<p>What do sled dogs say about heroism? How does killing a rattlesnake become a rite of regional pride? And why do we still care what a groundhog sees in February? Tune in for a conversation that’s as thought-provoking as it is unexpected.</p><p>Special Guest: Elizabeth Melampy.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 288: Godstruck: Seven Women's Unexpected Journeys to Religious Conversion, with Kelsey Osgood</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Kelsey Osgood. She is the author of Godstruck: Seven Women's Unexpected Journeys to Religious Conversion. Driven by a profound curiosity and anchored by intimate reporting, Godstruck is a provocative, insightful, and refreshingly nuanced exploration of both the joys and the challenges of faith that reveals what these seekers can teach all of us about modern life and our own searches for meaning.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:06:16</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kelsey Osgood. She is the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593834674/?bestFormat=true&k=godstruck&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-pd-bk-d_de_k0_1_8&crid=2ZBDN822FVNUO&sprefix=godstruc" rel="nofollow">Godstruck: Seven Women&#39;s Unexpected Journeys to Religious Conversion.</a> Driven by a profound curiosity and anchored by intimate reporting, Godstruck is a provocative, insightful, and refreshingly nuanced exploration of both the joys and the challenges of faith that reveals what these seekers can teach all of us about modern life and our own searches for meaning.</p><p>Special Guest: Kelsey Osgood.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kelsey Osgood. She is the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593834674/?bestFormat=true&k=godstruck&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-pd-bk-d_de_k0_1_8&crid=2ZBDN822FVNUO&sprefix=godstruc" rel="nofollow">Godstruck: Seven Women&#39;s Unexpected Journeys to Religious Conversion.</a> Driven by a profound curiosity and anchored by intimate reporting, Godstruck is a provocative, insightful, and refreshingly nuanced exploration of both the joys and the challenges of faith that reveals what these seekers can teach all of us about modern life and our own searches for meaning.</p><p>Special Guest: Kelsey Osgood.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kelsey Osgood. She is the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0593834674/?bestFormat=true&k=godstruck&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-pd-bk-d_de_k0_1_8&crid=2ZBDN822FVNUO&sprefix=godstruc" rel="nofollow">Godstruck: Seven Women&#39;s Unexpected Journeys to Religious Conversion.</a> Driven by a profound curiosity and anchored by intimate reporting, Godstruck is a provocative, insightful, and refreshingly nuanced exploration of both the joys and the challenges of faith that reveals what these seekers can teach all of us about modern life and our own searches for meaning.</p><p>Special Guest: Kelsey Osgood.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 287: Why Nazis spent World War II in a luxury West Virginia resort, with Benyamin Cohen</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2025 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, I talk with journalist and author Benyamin Cohen about one of the most bizarre and largely forgotten chapters of World War II history—when dozens of high-ranking Nazis spent the war years not in prison camps, but in luxury at a West Virginia resort. We’re talking about the Greenbrier Hotel, a grand, opulent resort nestled in the Allegheny Mountains, where captured German diplomats and their families were detained—if you can even call it that. They enjoyed gourmet meals, spa treatments, tennis matches, and more, all under the watchful but discreet eye of the U.S. government.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:25</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, I talk with journalist and author Benyamin Cohen about one of the most bizarre and largely forgotten chapters of World War II history—when dozens of high-ranking Nazis spent the war years not in prison camps, but in luxury at a West Virginia resort.</p>

<p>We’re talking about the Greenbrier Hotel, a grand, opulent resort nestled in the Allegheny Mountains, where captured German diplomats and their families were detained—if you can even call it that. They enjoyed gourmet meals, spa treatments, tennis matches, and more, all under the watchful but discreet eye of the U.S. government.</p>

<p>How did this happen? Why was it kept quiet? And what does this strange story reveal about America’s role in the war, diplomacy, and the narratives we choose to remember? I address these questions and more as I discuss this surreal piece of history with Benyamin Cohen.</p>

<p>You can find the article Benyamin Cohen wrote about the Greenbrier Hotel and its Nazi guests for <a href="https://forward.com/news/704980/greenbrier-history-nazis-wwii/" rel="nofollow">The Forward here.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, I talk with journalist and author Benyamin Cohen about one of the most bizarre and largely forgotten chapters of World War II history—when dozens of high-ranking Nazis spent the war years not in prison camps, but in luxury at a West Virginia resort.</p>

<p>We’re talking about the Greenbrier Hotel, a grand, opulent resort nestled in the Allegheny Mountains, where captured German diplomats and their families were detained—if you can even call it that. They enjoyed gourmet meals, spa treatments, tennis matches, and more, all under the watchful but discreet eye of the U.S. government.</p>

<p>How did this happen? Why was it kept quiet? And what does this strange story reveal about America’s role in the war, diplomacy, and the narratives we choose to remember? I address these questions and more as I discuss this surreal piece of history with Benyamin Cohen.</p>

<p>You can find the article Benyamin Cohen wrote about the Greenbrier Hotel and its Nazi guests for <a href="https://forward.com/news/704980/greenbrier-history-nazis-wwii/" rel="nofollow">The Forward here.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of Give and Take, I talk with journalist and author Benyamin Cohen about one of the most bizarre and largely forgotten chapters of World War II history—when dozens of high-ranking Nazis spent the war years not in prison camps, but in luxury at a West Virginia resort.</p>

<p>We’re talking about the Greenbrier Hotel, a grand, opulent resort nestled in the Allegheny Mountains, where captured German diplomats and their families were detained—if you can even call it that. They enjoyed gourmet meals, spa treatments, tennis matches, and more, all under the watchful but discreet eye of the U.S. government.</p>

<p>How did this happen? Why was it kept quiet? And what does this strange story reveal about America’s role in the war, diplomacy, and the narratives we choose to remember? I address these questions and more as I discuss this surreal piece of history with Benyamin Cohen.</p>

<p>You can find the article Benyamin Cohen wrote about the Greenbrier Hotel and its Nazi guests for <a href="https://forward.com/news/704980/greenbrier-history-nazis-wwii/" rel="nofollow">The Forward here.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 286: Shelter and Storm, with Tamara Dean</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Tamara Dean. In the midst of the environmental crises of the early twenty-first century, Tamara Dean sought a way to live lightly on the planet. Her quest drew her to a landscape unlike any other: the Driftless area of Wisconsin, a region untouched by glaciers, marked by steep hills and deeply carved valleys, capped with forests and laced with cold, spring-fed streams. There, she confronted, in ways large and small, the challenges of meeting basic needs while facing the ravages of climate change—an experience at once soul-stirring and practical that she recounts in Shelter and Storm.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Tamara Dean. In the midst of the environmental crises of the early twenty-first century, Tamara Dean sought a way to live lightly on the planet. Her quest drew her to a landscape unlike any other: the Driftless area of Wisconsin, a region untouched by glaciers, marked by steep hills and deeply carved valleys, capped with forests and laced with cold, spring-fed streams. There, she confronted, in ways large and small, the challenges of meeting basic needs while facing the ravages of climate change—an experience at once soul-stirring and practical that she recounts in <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shelter-Storm-At-Home-Driftless/dp/1517918561/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KSNHS2FNRRYH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.fucIh6ORgm3LuL9O9Aos7DJ7iuestcftQdYFDpbzU77GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.Me7ObPYITnAJnXm8mZuFGq5sq9xMRJKj-Zzd_ZJ0KUU&dib_tag=se&keywords=shelter+and+storm+tamara&qid=1744904063&sprefix=shelter+and+storm+tamara%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Shelter and Storm.</a></p>

<p>If you&#39;re interested in connecting with Tamara during her book tour, you can find a list of events <a href="https://tamaradean.media/blog/category/events" rel="nofollow">here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Tamara Dean.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Tamara Dean. In the midst of the environmental crises of the early twenty-first century, Tamara Dean sought a way to live lightly on the planet. Her quest drew her to a landscape unlike any other: the Driftless area of Wisconsin, a region untouched by glaciers, marked by steep hills and deeply carved valleys, capped with forests and laced with cold, spring-fed streams. There, she confronted, in ways large and small, the challenges of meeting basic needs while facing the ravages of climate change—an experience at once soul-stirring and practical that she recounts in <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shelter-Storm-At-Home-Driftless/dp/1517918561/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KSNHS2FNRRYH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.fucIh6ORgm3LuL9O9Aos7DJ7iuestcftQdYFDpbzU77GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.Me7ObPYITnAJnXm8mZuFGq5sq9xMRJKj-Zzd_ZJ0KUU&dib_tag=se&keywords=shelter+and+storm+tamara&qid=1744904063&sprefix=shelter+and+storm+tamara%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Shelter and Storm.</a></p>

<p>If you&#39;re interested in connecting with Tamara during her book tour, you can find a list of events <a href="https://tamaradean.media/blog/category/events" rel="nofollow">here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Tamara Dean.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Tamara Dean. In the midst of the environmental crises of the early twenty-first century, Tamara Dean sought a way to live lightly on the planet. Her quest drew her to a landscape unlike any other: the Driftless area of Wisconsin, a region untouched by glaciers, marked by steep hills and deeply carved valleys, capped with forests and laced with cold, spring-fed streams. There, she confronted, in ways large and small, the challenges of meeting basic needs while facing the ravages of climate change—an experience at once soul-stirring and practical that she recounts in <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shelter-Storm-At-Home-Driftless/dp/1517918561/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KSNHS2FNRRYH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.fucIh6ORgm3LuL9O9Aos7DJ7iuestcftQdYFDpbzU77GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.Me7ObPYITnAJnXm8mZuFGq5sq9xMRJKj-Zzd_ZJ0KUU&dib_tag=se&keywords=shelter+and+storm+tamara&qid=1744904063&sprefix=shelter+and+storm+tamara%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Shelter and Storm.</a></p>

<p>If you&#39;re interested in connecting with Tamara during her book tour, you can find a list of events <a href="https://tamaradean.media/blog/category/events" rel="nofollow">here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Tamara Dean.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 285: The Big Relief, with David Zahl</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2025 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of the podcast I talk with David Zahl about his new book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace in a Worn-Out World. In a time when burnout, anxiety, and relentless pressure are everyday companions, Zahl offers a powerful case for why grace—real, honest, unconditional grace—is more urgent than ever. Drawing on personal stories, cultural analysis, and theological insight, "The Big Relief" explores how grace can meet us in our exhaustion and offer rest to our restless souls. David and I dive into the heart of the book, unpacking what it means to experience grace in a culture that often demands perfection and performance.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:27:04</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of the podcast I talk with David Zahl about his new book, <a href="https://a.co/d/0dpLW5t" rel="nofollow">The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace in a Worn-Out World.</a> In a time when burnout, anxiety, and relentless pressure are everyday companions, Zahl offers a powerful case for why grace—real, honest, unconditional grace—is more urgent than ever. Drawing on personal stories, cultural analysis, and theological insight, <strong><em>The Big Relief</em></strong> explores how grace can meet us in our exhaustion and offer rest to our restless souls. David and I dive into the heart of the book, unpacking what it means to experience grace in a culture that often demands perfection and performance.</p><p>Special Guest: David Zahl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of the podcast I talk with David Zahl about his new book, <a href="https://a.co/d/0dpLW5t" rel="nofollow">The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace in a Worn-Out World.</a> In a time when burnout, anxiety, and relentless pressure are everyday companions, Zahl offers a powerful case for why grace—real, honest, unconditional grace—is more urgent than ever. Drawing on personal stories, cultural analysis, and theological insight, <strong><em>The Big Relief</em></strong> explores how grace can meet us in our exhaustion and offer rest to our restless souls. David and I dive into the heart of the book, unpacking what it means to experience grace in a culture that often demands perfection and performance.</p><p>Special Guest: David Zahl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of the podcast I talk with David Zahl about his new book, <a href="https://a.co/d/0dpLW5t" rel="nofollow">The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace in a Worn-Out World.</a> In a time when burnout, anxiety, and relentless pressure are everyday companions, Zahl offers a powerful case for why grace—real, honest, unconditional grace—is more urgent than ever. Drawing on personal stories, cultural analysis, and theological insight, <strong><em>The Big Relief</em></strong> explores how grace can meet us in our exhaustion and offer rest to our restless souls. David and I dive into the heart of the book, unpacking what it means to experience grace in a culture that often demands perfection and performance.</p><p>Special Guest: David Zahl.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 284: Smokebirds, with Daniel Breyer</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Daniel Breyer. His debut novel is Smokebirds. In the near future, when every autumn is fire season in California, wealthy San Franciscans flee their city for smoke-free pastures. Among them are the Petersons, a family enriched by the lumber industry, who traditionally spend every August in Hawaii. This annual retreat, once a period of leisure and luxury with golf, hikes, and high-society mingling, takes a turn when 22-year-old Cole Peterson aligns himself with Aid For Earth, a climate justice organization. Cole and Aid For Earth proceed to mire the Peterson family in scandal, alleging that Peterson Lumber started a forest fire, covered up their culpability, and then profited off a government contract to extract the burnt lumber.

Smokebirds is not just a narrative about the complexity of familial bonds and the facade of integrity; it is a commentary on the enduring power of privilege against the backdrop of climate justice. It captures the tension between societal expectations of accountability and the reality of an elite untouched by the demands for change, reflecting on who truly bears the cost of our environmental crises.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:52</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Breyer. His debut novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Smokebirds-Daniel-Breyer/dp/1644284456" rel="nofollow">Smokebirds</a>. In the near future, when every autumn is fire season in California, wealthy San Franciscans flee their city for smoke-free pastures. Among them are the Petersons, a family enriched by the lumber industry, who traditionally spend every August in Hawaii. This annual retreat, once a period of leisure and luxury with golf, hikes, and high-society mingling, takes a turn when 22-year-old Cole Peterson aligns himself with Aid For Earth, a climate justice organization. Cole and Aid For Earth proceed to mire the Peterson family in scandal, alleging that Peterson Lumber started a forest fire, covered up their culpability, and then profited off a government contract to extract the burnt lumber.</p>

<p>Smokebirds is not just a narrative about the complexity of familial bonds and the facade of integrity; it is a commentary on the enduring power of privilege against the backdrop of climate justice. It captures the tension between societal expectations of accountability and the reality of an elite untouched by the demands for change, reflecting on who truly bears the cost of our environmental crises.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Breyer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Breyer. His debut novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Smokebirds-Daniel-Breyer/dp/1644284456" rel="nofollow">Smokebirds</a>. In the near future, when every autumn is fire season in California, wealthy San Franciscans flee their city for smoke-free pastures. Among them are the Petersons, a family enriched by the lumber industry, who traditionally spend every August in Hawaii. This annual retreat, once a period of leisure and luxury with golf, hikes, and high-society mingling, takes a turn when 22-year-old Cole Peterson aligns himself with Aid For Earth, a climate justice organization. Cole and Aid For Earth proceed to mire the Peterson family in scandal, alleging that Peterson Lumber started a forest fire, covered up their culpability, and then profited off a government contract to extract the burnt lumber.</p>

<p>Smokebirds is not just a narrative about the complexity of familial bonds and the facade of integrity; it is a commentary on the enduring power of privilege against the backdrop of climate justice. It captures the tension between societal expectations of accountability and the reality of an elite untouched by the demands for change, reflecting on who truly bears the cost of our environmental crises.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Breyer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Breyer. His debut novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Smokebirds-Daniel-Breyer/dp/1644284456" rel="nofollow">Smokebirds</a>. In the near future, when every autumn is fire season in California, wealthy San Franciscans flee their city for smoke-free pastures. Among them are the Petersons, a family enriched by the lumber industry, who traditionally spend every August in Hawaii. This annual retreat, once a period of leisure and luxury with golf, hikes, and high-society mingling, takes a turn when 22-year-old Cole Peterson aligns himself with Aid For Earth, a climate justice organization. Cole and Aid For Earth proceed to mire the Peterson family in scandal, alleging that Peterson Lumber started a forest fire, covered up their culpability, and then profited off a government contract to extract the burnt lumber.</p>

<p>Smokebirds is not just a narrative about the complexity of familial bonds and the facade of integrity; it is a commentary on the enduring power of privilege against the backdrop of climate justice. It captures the tension between societal expectations of accountability and the reality of an elite untouched by the demands for change, reflecting on who truly bears the cost of our environmental crises.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Breyer.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 283: Talking with Eminent Americans, with Daniel Oppenheimer </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2025 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Daniel Oppenheimer. Daniel is the host of Eminent Americans, a podcast about the writers and public intellectuals who either are key players in the American intellectual scene or who typify an important aspect of it.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:23:09</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Oppenheimer. Daniel is the host of <a href="https://danieloppenheimer.substack.com/podcast" rel="nofollow">Eminent Americans, a podcast </a>about the writers and public intellectuals who either are key players in the American intellectual scene or who typify an important aspect of it.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Oppenheimer. Daniel is the host of <a href="https://danieloppenheimer.substack.com/podcast" rel="nofollow">Eminent Americans, a podcast </a>about the writers and public intellectuals who either are key players in the American intellectual scene or who typify an important aspect of it.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Oppenheimer. Daniel is the host of <a href="https://danieloppenheimer.substack.com/podcast" rel="nofollow">Eminent Americans, a podcast </a>about the writers and public intellectuals who either are key players in the American intellectual scene or who typify an important aspect of it.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 282: Indivisible: How to Forge Our Differences into a Stronger Future, with Denise Hamilton</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>On this episode of Give and Take, host Scott Jones sits down with Denise Hamilton to discuss her debut book, Indivisible. A visionary leader and advocate for inclusion, Hamilton explores what it truly means to bridge divides in an increasingly polarized world. Together, they delve into the urgent need for unity, the challenges of fostering meaningful conversations across differences, and how individuals can take action to create a more connected and equitable society. Tune in for an insightful and inspiring discussion on building a future where everyone belongs.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, host Scott Jones sits down with Denise Hamilton to discuss her debut book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Indivisible-Forge-Differences-Stronger-Future/dp/1682688380/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1C840QVW5ID6N&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JwvjtrnKmJ0-rAJZmGKp8AIPz4WmordzwgbxZjFEEgW4Xib6LlxvKY30gdUwna4mif1mw_mupv1lGNGVSu698Q.riWJ0yONiqsu5eMvWsM3G6i3hDCm9K70aGCiAkGVfQM&dib_tag=se&keywords=indivisible+denise+hamilton&qid=1743111121&sprefix=indivisble+denise+hamilton%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Indivisible</a>. A visionary leader and advocate for inclusion, Hamilton explores what it truly means to bridge divides in an increasingly polarized world. Together, they delve into the urgent need for unity, the challenges of fostering meaningful conversations across differences, and how individuals can take action to create a more connected and equitable society. Tune in for an insightful and inspiring discussion on building a future where everyone belongs.</p><p>Special Guest: Denise Hamilton .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, host Scott Jones sits down with Denise Hamilton to discuss her debut book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Indivisible-Forge-Differences-Stronger-Future/dp/1682688380/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1C840QVW5ID6N&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JwvjtrnKmJ0-rAJZmGKp8AIPz4WmordzwgbxZjFEEgW4Xib6LlxvKY30gdUwna4mif1mw_mupv1lGNGVSu698Q.riWJ0yONiqsu5eMvWsM3G6i3hDCm9K70aGCiAkGVfQM&dib_tag=se&keywords=indivisible+denise+hamilton&qid=1743111121&sprefix=indivisble+denise+hamilton%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Indivisible</a>. A visionary leader and advocate for inclusion, Hamilton explores what it truly means to bridge divides in an increasingly polarized world. Together, they delve into the urgent need for unity, the challenges of fostering meaningful conversations across differences, and how individuals can take action to create a more connected and equitable society. Tune in for an insightful and inspiring discussion on building a future where everyone belongs.</p><p>Special Guest: Denise Hamilton .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode of Give and Take, host Scott Jones sits down with Denise Hamilton to discuss her debut book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Indivisible-Forge-Differences-Stronger-Future/dp/1682688380/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1C840QVW5ID6N&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.JwvjtrnKmJ0-rAJZmGKp8AIPz4WmordzwgbxZjFEEgW4Xib6LlxvKY30gdUwna4mif1mw_mupv1lGNGVSu698Q.riWJ0yONiqsu5eMvWsM3G6i3hDCm9K70aGCiAkGVfQM&dib_tag=se&keywords=indivisible+denise+hamilton&qid=1743111121&sprefix=indivisble+denise+hamilton%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Indivisible</a>. A visionary leader and advocate for inclusion, Hamilton explores what it truly means to bridge divides in an increasingly polarized world. Together, they delve into the urgent need for unity, the challenges of fostering meaningful conversations across differences, and how individuals can take action to create a more connected and equitable society. Tune in for an insightful and inspiring discussion on building a future where everyone belongs.</p><p>Special Guest: Denise Hamilton .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 281: Elon Musk, Christian Nationalism, and the Battle for Truth, with Amanda Marcotte </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of Give and Take, host Scott Jones sits down with Amanda Marcotte, author of Troll Nation and Senior Writer at Salon Magazine, for a sharp and incisive discussion on the forces reshaping American politics and culture. As Elon Musk’s influence extends beyond Silicon Valley into the political arena, and Christian Nationalism gains traction in the nation’s discourse, they examine the implications for democracy,, and the very nature of truth. At a time when disinformation thrives and political identities harden, what does it mean to seek and defend reality? It's a compelling and timely conversation that confronts some urgent questions of our political moment.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 280: How To End Christian Nationalism, with Amanda Tyler</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2025 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Amanda Tyler, the Executive Director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and a leading voice in the fight to uphold the separation of church and state. In her new book, How to End Christian Nationalism, Amanda lays out a compelling case against this 
growing movement, exposing its impact on democracy, religious freedom, and social justice. In this conversation, we explore what Christian nationalism is, why she se es it as  a threat, and how she thinks you can push back against it. Whether you have a deep knowledge of Christian Nationalism or just starting to learn about it, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>57:26</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Amanda Tyler, the Executive Director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and a leading voice in the fight to uphold the separation of church and state. In her new book,<a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Christian-Nationalism-Amanda-Tyler/dp/1506498280?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gbraid=0AAAAA-byW6BJ3_Dq-rZUDYvLl7JfnaZns&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm7q-BhDRARIsACD6-fUjQ94rKbG71TmCu4FK_bxpxfvmhbcKLZDUmR3ZCBuSUB_n4cwzKHkaAtoEEALw_wcB" rel="nofollow"> How to End Christian Nationalism</a>, Amanda lays out a compelling case against this <br>
growing movement, exposing its impact on democracy, religious freedom, and social justice. </p>

<p>In this conversation, we explore what Christian nationalism is, why she se es it as  a threat, and how she thinks you can push back against it. Whether you have a deep knowledge of Christian Nationalism or just starting to learn about it, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Amanda Tyler, the Executive Director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and a leading voice in the fight to uphold the separation of church and state. In her new book,<a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Christian-Nationalism-Amanda-Tyler/dp/1506498280?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gbraid=0AAAAA-byW6BJ3_Dq-rZUDYvLl7JfnaZns&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm7q-BhDRARIsACD6-fUjQ94rKbG71TmCu4FK_bxpxfvmhbcKLZDUmR3ZCBuSUB_n4cwzKHkaAtoEEALw_wcB" rel="nofollow"> How to End Christian Nationalism</a>, Amanda lays out a compelling case against this <br>
growing movement, exposing its impact on democracy, religious freedom, and social justice. </p>

<p>In this conversation, we explore what Christian nationalism is, why she se es it as  a threat, and how she thinks you can push back against it. Whether you have a deep knowledge of Christian Nationalism or just starting to learn about it, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Amanda Tyler, the Executive Director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and a leading voice in the fight to uphold the separation of church and state. In her new book,<a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Christian-Nationalism-Amanda-Tyler/dp/1506498280?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gbraid=0AAAAA-byW6BJ3_Dq-rZUDYvLl7JfnaZns&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm7q-BhDRARIsACD6-fUjQ94rKbG71TmCu4FK_bxpxfvmhbcKLZDUmR3ZCBuSUB_n4cwzKHkaAtoEEALw_wcB" rel="nofollow"> How to End Christian Nationalism</a>, Amanda lays out a compelling case against this <br>
growing movement, exposing its impact on democracy, religious freedom, and social justice. </p>

<p>In this conversation, we explore what Christian nationalism is, why she se es it as  a threat, and how she thinks you can push back against it. Whether you have a deep knowledge of Christian Nationalism or just starting to learn about it, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 279: Considering the State of the Union, with Jennifer Briney</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2025 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jennifer Briney. She''s the host of the widely acclaimed podcast Congressional Dish, joins us for a critical discussion on the state of American governance. Congressional Dish is dedicated to illuminating the workings of Congress, where the American people hold their greatest political power. With an unflinching, nonpartisan approach, Briney examines the actions of elected officials after the campaign season ends, revealing how their decisions shape the daily lives of citizens. In this conversation, Briney offers her insights on President Trump’s State of the Union address, the broader trajectory of the country, and whether Congress is fulfilling its role as a check on executive power.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:14:55</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Briney. She&#39;&#39;s the host of the widely acclaimed podcast <a href="https://congressionaldish.com" rel="nofollow">Congressional Dish</a>, joins us for a critical discussion on the state of American governance. Congressional Dish is dedicated to illuminating the workings of Congress, where the American people hold their greatest political power. With an unflinching, nonpartisan approach, Briney examines the actions of elected officials after the campaign season ends, revealing how their decisions shape the daily lives of citizens. In this conversation, Briney offers her insights on President Trump’s State of the Union address, the broader trajectory of the country, and whether Congress is fulfilling its role as a check on executive power.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Briney. She&#39;&#39;s the host of the widely acclaimed podcast <a href="https://congressionaldish.com" rel="nofollow">Congressional Dish</a>, joins us for a critical discussion on the state of American governance. Congressional Dish is dedicated to illuminating the workings of Congress, where the American people hold their greatest political power. With an unflinching, nonpartisan approach, Briney examines the actions of elected officials after the campaign season ends, revealing how their decisions shape the daily lives of citizens. In this conversation, Briney offers her insights on President Trump’s State of the Union address, the broader trajectory of the country, and whether Congress is fulfilling its role as a check on executive power.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Briney. She&#39;&#39;s the host of the widely acclaimed podcast <a href="https://congressionaldish.com" rel="nofollow">Congressional Dish</a>, joins us for a critical discussion on the state of American governance. Congressional Dish is dedicated to illuminating the workings of Congress, where the American people hold their greatest political power. With an unflinching, nonpartisan approach, Briney examines the actions of elected officials after the campaign season ends, revealing how their decisions shape the daily lives of citizens. In this conversation, Briney offers her insights on President Trump’s State of the Union address, the broader trajectory of the country, and whether Congress is fulfilling its role as a check on executive power.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 278: What Every American Should Know About Ukraine, with Marci Shore</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2025 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci Shore is associate professor of history at Yale University, specializing in European intellectual history, with a focus on twentieth- and twenty-first-century Central and Eastern Europe. She earned her M.A. from the University of Toronto in 1996 and her Ph.D. from Stanford University in 2001. Shore is the translator of The Black Seasons by Michał Głowiński and the author of several books, including Caviar and Ashes: A Warsaw Generation’s Life and Death in Marxism, 1918-1968, The Taste of Ashes: The Afterlife of Totalitarianism in Eastern Europe, and The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution.

In the wake of a tense and unusually combative exchange between former President Donald J. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in the Oval Office last week, we turn to Professor Shore for insight. At a moment of geopolitical uncertainty and shifting alliances, what should Americans understand about Ukraine—its history, its struggle for sovereignty, and its place in an increasingly fractured world?</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci Shore is associate professor of history at Yale University, specializing in European intellectual history, with a focus on twentieth- and twenty-first-century Central and Eastern Europe. She earned her M.A. from the University of Toronto in 1996 and her Ph.D. from Stanford University in 2001. Shore is the translator of <em>The Black Seasons _by Michał Głowiński and the author of several books, including _Caviar and Ashes: A Warsaw Generation’s Life and Death in Marxism, 1918-1968</em>, <em>The Taste of Ashes: The Afterlife of Totalitarianism in Eastern Europe</em>, an_d The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution_.</p>

<p>In the wake of a tense and unusually combative exchange between former President Donald J. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in the Oval Office last week, we turn to Professor Shore for insight. At a moment of geopolitical uncertainty and shifting alliances, what should Americans understand about Ukraine—its history, its struggle for sovereignty, and its place in an increasingly fractured world?</p><p>Special Guest: Marci Shore.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci Shore is associate professor of history at Yale University, specializing in European intellectual history, with a focus on twentieth- and twenty-first-century Central and Eastern Europe. She earned her M.A. from the University of Toronto in 1996 and her Ph.D. from Stanford University in 2001. Shore is the translator of <em>The Black Seasons _by Michał Głowiński and the author of several books, including _Caviar and Ashes: A Warsaw Generation’s Life and Death in Marxism, 1918-1968</em>, <em>The Taste of Ashes: The Afterlife of Totalitarianism in Eastern Europe</em>, an_d The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution_.</p>

<p>In the wake of a tense and unusually combative exchange between former President Donald J. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in the Oval Office last week, we turn to Professor Shore for insight. At a moment of geopolitical uncertainty and shifting alliances, what should Americans understand about Ukraine—its history, its struggle for sovereignty, and its place in an increasingly fractured world?</p><p>Special Guest: Marci Shore.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci Shore is associate professor of history at Yale University, specializing in European intellectual history, with a focus on twentieth- and twenty-first-century Central and Eastern Europe. She earned her M.A. from the University of Toronto in 1996 and her Ph.D. from Stanford University in 2001. Shore is the translator of <em>The Black Seasons _by Michał Głowiński and the author of several books, including _Caviar and Ashes: A Warsaw Generation’s Life and Death in Marxism, 1918-1968</em>, <em>The Taste of Ashes: The Afterlife of Totalitarianism in Eastern Europe</em>, an_d The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution_.</p>

<p>In the wake of a tense and unusually combative exchange between former President Donald J. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in the Oval Office last week, we turn to Professor Shore for insight. At a moment of geopolitical uncertainty and shifting alliances, what should Americans understand about Ukraine—its history, its struggle for sovereignty, and its place in an increasingly fractured world?</p><p>Special Guest: Marci Shore.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 277: Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity, with Todd McGowan</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2025 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Todd McGowan. HIs newest book is Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity. In it he forges a new theory of capitalism as a system based on the production of more than what we need: pure excess. He argues that the promise of more―more wealth, more enjoyment, more opportunity, without requiring any sacrifice―is the essence of capitalism. Previous socioeconomic systems set up some form of the social good as their focus. Capitalism, however, represents a revolutionary turn away from the good and the useful toward excessive growth, which now threatens the habitability of the planet.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:14:42</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd McGowan. HIs newest book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pure-Excess-Capitalism-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231217595/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KTC25ZAWV3GM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.F48XnU2ZyF_-98Gyug6nZw.cQxE3ENJQy2NAtI6c4Ae9h86gOBzR6VJSqdgUNzlyhg&dib_tag=se&keywords=pure+excess+mcgowan&qid=1739642385&sprefix=Pure+Excess%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity</a>. In it he forges a new theory of capitalism as a system based on the production of more than what we need: pure excess. He argues that the promise of more―more wealth, more enjoyment, more opportunity, without requiring any sacrifice―is the essence of capitalism. Previous socioeconomic systems set up some form of the social good as their focus. Capitalism, however, represents a revolutionary turn away from the good and the useful toward excessive growth, which now threatens the habitability of the planet.</p>

<p>Drawing on psychoanalytic theory, McGowan shows how the production of commodities explains the role of excess in the workings of capitalism. Capitalism and the commodity ensnare us with the image of the constant fulfillment of our desires―the seductive but unattainable promise of satisfying a longing that has no end. To challenge this system, McGowan turns to art, arguing that it can expose the psychological mechanisms that perpetuate capitalist society and reveal the need for limits. Featuring lively writing and engaging examples from film, literature, and popular culture, Pure Excess uncovers the hidden logic of capitalism―and helps us envision a noncapitalist life in a noncapitalist society.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd McGowan. HIs newest book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pure-Excess-Capitalism-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231217595/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KTC25ZAWV3GM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.F48XnU2ZyF_-98Gyug6nZw.cQxE3ENJQy2NAtI6c4Ae9h86gOBzR6VJSqdgUNzlyhg&dib_tag=se&keywords=pure+excess+mcgowan&qid=1739642385&sprefix=Pure+Excess%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity</a>. In it he forges a new theory of capitalism as a system based on the production of more than what we need: pure excess. He argues that the promise of more―more wealth, more enjoyment, more opportunity, without requiring any sacrifice―is the essence of capitalism. Previous socioeconomic systems set up some form of the social good as their focus. Capitalism, however, represents a revolutionary turn away from the good and the useful toward excessive growth, which now threatens the habitability of the planet.</p>

<p>Drawing on psychoanalytic theory, McGowan shows how the production of commodities explains the role of excess in the workings of capitalism. Capitalism and the commodity ensnare us with the image of the constant fulfillment of our desires―the seductive but unattainable promise of satisfying a longing that has no end. To challenge this system, McGowan turns to art, arguing that it can expose the psychological mechanisms that perpetuate capitalist society and reveal the need for limits. Featuring lively writing and engaging examples from film, literature, and popular culture, Pure Excess uncovers the hidden logic of capitalism―and helps us envision a noncapitalist life in a noncapitalist society.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd McGowan. HIs newest book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pure-Excess-Capitalism-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231217595/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KTC25ZAWV3GM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.F48XnU2ZyF_-98Gyug6nZw.cQxE3ENJQy2NAtI6c4Ae9h86gOBzR6VJSqdgUNzlyhg&dib_tag=se&keywords=pure+excess+mcgowan&qid=1739642385&sprefix=Pure+Excess%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity</a>. In it he forges a new theory of capitalism as a system based on the production of more than what we need: pure excess. He argues that the promise of more―more wealth, more enjoyment, more opportunity, without requiring any sacrifice―is the essence of capitalism. Previous socioeconomic systems set up some form of the social good as their focus. Capitalism, however, represents a revolutionary turn away from the good and the useful toward excessive growth, which now threatens the habitability of the planet.</p>

<p>Drawing on psychoanalytic theory, McGowan shows how the production of commodities explains the role of excess in the workings of capitalism. Capitalism and the commodity ensnare us with the image of the constant fulfillment of our desires―the seductive but unattainable promise of satisfying a longing that has no end. To challenge this system, McGowan turns to art, arguing that it can expose the psychological mechanisms that perpetuate capitalist society and reveal the need for limits. Featuring lively writing and engaging examples from film, literature, and popular culture, Pure Excess uncovers the hidden logic of capitalism―and helps us envision a noncapitalist life in a noncapitalist society.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 276: Christian Witness in a Post-Democratic Age, with Lisa Sharon Harper</title>
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      <title>Episode 275: Are Evangelicals Going To Take Over America?...with Mark Oppenheimer </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2025 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. He returns to the show to talk about the current American religious landscape. We discuss a recent piece in The Atlantic that he calls "evangelical fear-mongering." We also talk about his recent review of Jonathan Rauch's new book "Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy." We also talk about Mark's newfound love for the Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds!</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>33:37</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. He returns to the show to talk about the current American religious landscape. We discuss a recent piece in The Atlantic that he calls &quot;evangelical fear mongering.&quot; We also talk about his recent review of Jonathan Rauch&#39;s new book <em>[Cross Purposes: Christianity&#39;s Broken Bargain with Democracy](<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=t4d15&content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pf_rd_p=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pf_rd_r=134-0351661-4060607&pd_rd_wg=1LhYy&pd_rd_r=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&ref" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_w=t4d15&amp;content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&amp;pf_rd_p=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&amp;pf_rd_r=134-0351661-4060607&amp;pd_rd_wg=1LhYy&amp;pd_rd_r=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&amp;ref</a></em>=aufs_ap_sc_dsk)_. We also talk about Mark&#39;s newfound love for the Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds!</p>

<p>You can find Mark&#39;s response to The Atlantic piece <a href="https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-atlantics-fear-mongering-about" rel="nofollow">we reference here. </a></p>

<p>Mark&#39;s review of Rauch&#39;s book can <a href="https://arcmag.org/did-church-once-make-us-good/" rel="nofollow">be found here. </a></p>

<p>You can find Mark&#39;s celebration of the <a href="https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-philadelphia-eagles-brought-me" rel="nofollow">Eagles here. Go Birds!</a></p><p>Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. He returns to the show to talk about the current American religious landscape. We discuss a recent piece in The Atlantic that he calls &quot;evangelical fear mongering.&quot; We also talk about his recent review of Jonathan Rauch&#39;s new book <em>[Cross Purposes: Christianity&#39;s Broken Bargain with Democracy](<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=t4d15&content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pf_rd_p=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pf_rd_r=134-0351661-4060607&pd_rd_wg=1LhYy&pd_rd_r=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&ref" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_w=t4d15&amp;content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&amp;pf_rd_p=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&amp;pf_rd_r=134-0351661-4060607&amp;pd_rd_wg=1LhYy&amp;pd_rd_r=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&amp;ref</a></em>=aufs_ap_sc_dsk)_. We also talk about Mark&#39;s newfound love for the Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds!</p>

<p>You can find Mark&#39;s response to The Atlantic piece <a href="https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-atlantics-fear-mongering-about" rel="nofollow">we reference here. </a></p>

<p>Mark&#39;s review of Rauch&#39;s book can <a href="https://arcmag.org/did-church-once-make-us-good/" rel="nofollow">be found here. </a></p>

<p>You can find Mark&#39;s celebration of the <a href="https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-philadelphia-eagles-brought-me" rel="nofollow">Eagles here. Go Birds!</a></p><p>Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. He returns to the show to talk about the current American religious landscape. We discuss a recent piece in The Atlantic that he calls &quot;evangelical fear mongering.&quot; We also talk about his recent review of Jonathan Rauch&#39;s new book <em>[Cross Purposes: Christianity&#39;s Broken Bargain with Democracy](<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=t4d15&content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pf_rd_p=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pf_rd_r=134-0351661-4060607&pd_rd_wg=1LhYy&pd_rd_r=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&ref" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_w=t4d15&amp;content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&amp;pf_rd_p=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&amp;pf_rd_r=134-0351661-4060607&amp;pd_rd_wg=1LhYy&amp;pd_rd_r=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&amp;ref</a></em>=aufs_ap_sc_dsk)_. We also talk about Mark&#39;s newfound love for the Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds!</p>

<p>You can find Mark&#39;s response to The Atlantic piece <a href="https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-atlantics-fear-mongering-about" rel="nofollow">we reference here. </a></p>

<p>Mark&#39;s review of Rauch&#39;s book can <a href="https://arcmag.org/did-church-once-make-us-good/" rel="nofollow">be found here. </a></p>

<p>You can find Mark&#39;s celebration of the <a href="https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-philadelphia-eagles-brought-me" rel="nofollow">Eagles here. Go Birds!</a></p><p>Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 274: The Future of King's Dream, with Harold Dean Trulear</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 13:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Harold Dean Trulear. Dean has served as Associate Professor of Applied Theology at Howard University School of Divinity since 2003. He joins me to talk about the future of Martin Luther King's dream in Donald Trump's America.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:13:51</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Harold Dean Trulear. Dean has served as Associate Professor of Applied Theology at Howard University School of Divinity since 2003. He joins me to talk about the future of Martin Luther King&#39;s dream in Donald Trump&#39;s America.</p><p>Special Guest: Harold Dean Trulear.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Harold Dean Trulear. Dean has served as Associate Professor of Applied Theology at Howard University School of Divinity since 2003. He joins me to talk about the future of Martin Luther King&#39;s dream in Donald Trump&#39;s America.</p><p>Special Guest: Harold Dean Trulear.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 273: Black Girl In The Middle, with Shenequa Golding </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 26 Dec 2024 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Shenequa Golding. She doesn’t aim to speak for all Black women. They're  too vast, too vibrant, and too complicated. As an adult, Golding begins to own her boldness, but growing up, she found herself “kind of in the middle,” fluctuating between not being the fly kid or the overachiever. Her debut collection of essays, A Black Girl in the Middle, taps into life’s wins and losses, representing the middle ground for Black girls and women.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:11:48</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Shenequa Golding. She doesn’t aim to speak for all Black women. They&#39;re  too vast, too vibrant, and too complicated. As an adult, Golding begins to own her boldness, but growing up, she found herself “kind of in the middle,” fluctuating between not being the fly kid or the overachiever. Her debut collection of essays, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">A Black Girl in the Middle</a>, taps into life’s wins and losses, representing the middle ground for Black girls and women.</p>

<p>Golding packs humor, curiosity, honesty, anger, and ultimately acceptance in 12 essays spanning her life in Queens, NY, as a first-generation Jamaican American. She breaks down the 10 levels of Black Girl Math, from the hard glare to responses reserved for unfaithful boyfriends. She comes to terms with and heals from fraught relationships with her father, friends, and romantic partners. She takes the devastating news that she’s a Black girl with a “flat ass” in stride, and adds squats to her routine, eventually. From a harrowing encounter in a hotel room leading her to explore celibacy (for now) to embracing rather than fearing the “Milli Vanilli” of emotions in hurt and anger, Golding embraces everything she’s learned with wit, heart, and humility.</p>

<p>A<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> Black Girl in the Middle </a>is both an acknowledgment of the complexity and pride of not always fitting in and validation of what Black girlhood and womanhood can be.</p><p>Special Guest: Shenequa Golding.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Shenequa Golding. She doesn’t aim to speak for all Black women. They&#39;re  too vast, too vibrant, and too complicated. As an adult, Golding begins to own her boldness, but growing up, she found herself “kind of in the middle,” fluctuating between not being the fly kid or the overachiever. Her debut collection of essays, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">A Black Girl in the Middle</a>, taps into life’s wins and losses, representing the middle ground for Black girls and women.</p>

<p>Golding packs humor, curiosity, honesty, anger, and ultimately acceptance in 12 essays spanning her life in Queens, NY, as a first-generation Jamaican American. She breaks down the 10 levels of Black Girl Math, from the hard glare to responses reserved for unfaithful boyfriends. She comes to terms with and heals from fraught relationships with her father, friends, and romantic partners. She takes the devastating news that she’s a Black girl with a “flat ass” in stride, and adds squats to her routine, eventually. From a harrowing encounter in a hotel room leading her to explore celibacy (for now) to embracing rather than fearing the “Milli Vanilli” of emotions in hurt and anger, Golding embraces everything she’s learned with wit, heart, and humility.</p>

<p>A<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> Black Girl in the Middle </a>is both an acknowledgment of the complexity and pride of not always fitting in and validation of what Black girlhood and womanhood can be.</p><p>Special Guest: Shenequa Golding.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Shenequa Golding. She doesn’t aim to speak for all Black women. They&#39;re  too vast, too vibrant, and too complicated. As an adult, Golding begins to own her boldness, but growing up, she found herself “kind of in the middle,” fluctuating between not being the fly kid or the overachiever. Her debut collection of essays, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">A Black Girl in the Middle</a>, taps into life’s wins and losses, representing the middle ground for Black girls and women.</p>

<p>Golding packs humor, curiosity, honesty, anger, and ultimately acceptance in 12 essays spanning her life in Queens, NY, as a first-generation Jamaican American. She breaks down the 10 levels of Black Girl Math, from the hard glare to responses reserved for unfaithful boyfriends. She comes to terms with and heals from fraught relationships with her father, friends, and romantic partners. She takes the devastating news that she’s a Black girl with a “flat ass” in stride, and adds squats to her routine, eventually. From a harrowing encounter in a hotel room leading her to explore celibacy (for now) to embracing rather than fearing the “Milli Vanilli” of emotions in hurt and anger, Golding embraces everything she’s learned with wit, heart, and humility.</p>

<p>A<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> Black Girl in the Middle </a>is both an acknowledgment of the complexity and pride of not always fitting in and validation of what Black girlhood and womanhood can be.</p><p>Special Guest: Shenequa Golding.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://www.shenequagolding.com" role="guest">Shenequa Golding</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 272: Is David Brooks a Christian or a Jew? With Mark Oppenheimer </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. In a recent NY Times piece David Brooks describes his own complex journey of faith. Mark Oppenheimer has written a piece questioning why David Brooks consistently continues to refer to himself as a Jew, despite affirming the central tenets of the Christian faith. Mark returns to the show to discuss his piece and what it tells us about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. In a recent NY Times piece David Brooks describes his own complex journey of faith. Mark Oppenheimer has written a piece questioning why David Brooks consistently continues to refer to himself as a Jew, despite affirming the central tenets of the Christian faith. Mark returns to the show to discuss his piece and what it tells us about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. </p>

<p>You can find David Brooks&#39; piece <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/opinion/faith-god-christianity.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;The Shock of Faith: It&#39;s Nothing Like I Thought It Would Be&quot; here. </a></p>

<p>You can find <a href="https://arcmag.org/david-brooks-please-stop-saying-you-are-jewish/" rel="nofollow">Mark&#39;s response here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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<p>You can find David Brooks&#39; piece <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/opinion/faith-god-christianity.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;The Shock of Faith: It&#39;s Nothing Like I Thought It Would Be&quot; here. </a></p>

<p>You can find <a href="https://arcmag.org/david-brooks-please-stop-saying-you-are-jewish/" rel="nofollow">Mark&#39;s response here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. In a recent NY Times piece David Brooks describes his own complex journey of faith. Mark Oppenheimer has written a piece questioning why David Brooks consistently continues to refer to himself as a Jew, despite affirming the central tenets of the Christian faith. Mark returns to the show to discuss his piece and what it tells us about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. </p>

<p>You can find David Brooks&#39; piece <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/opinion/faith-god-christianity.html" rel="nofollow">&quot;The Shock of Faith: It&#39;s Nothing Like I Thought It Would Be&quot; here. </a></p>

<p>You can find <a href="https://arcmag.org/david-brooks-please-stop-saying-you-are-jewish/" rel="nofollow">Mark&#39;s response here. </a></p><p>Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 271: History Lessons from Gladiator 2, with Edward J. Watts</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Edward Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis Endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. He's the author and editor of several prize-winning books, including The Final Pagan Generation and Mortal Republic. He's been on the show before and he returns to talk about Ridley's Scott's new movie Gladiator 2.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis Endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. He&#39;s the author and editor of several prize-winning books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Final-Pagan-Generation-Christianity-Transformation/dp/0520379225/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">The Final Pagan Generation</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mortal-Republic-Rome-Fell-Tyranny-ebook/dp/B07B84NKNP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>. He&#39;s been on the show before and he returns to talk about Ridley&#39;s Scott&#39;s new movie Gladiator 2.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis Endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. He&#39;s the author and editor of several prize-winning books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Final-Pagan-Generation-Christianity-Transformation/dp/0520379225/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">The Final Pagan Generation</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mortal-Republic-Rome-Fell-Tyranny-ebook/dp/B07B84NKNP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>. He&#39;s been on the show before and he returns to talk about Ridley&#39;s Scott&#39;s new movie Gladiator 2.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis Endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. He&#39;s the author and editor of several prize-winning books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Final-Pagan-Generation-Christianity-Transformation/dp/0520379225/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">The Final Pagan Generation</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mortal-Republic-Rome-Fell-Tyranny-ebook/dp/B07B84NKNP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>. He&#39;s been on the show before and he returns to talk about Ridley&#39;s Scott&#39;s new movie Gladiator 2.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 270: Antisemitism, Identity and the Crisis of Liberalism, with Thane Rosenbaum </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 10:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. Thane is a law professor, legal and Middle East analyst, novelist, essayist and Distinguished University Professor at Touro University. He's an all around Renaissance man. We talk about a host of issues including antisemitism, identity politics, and the true nature of liberalism. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is <a href="https://thanerosenbaum.com" rel="nofollow">Thane Rosenbaum</a>. Thane is a law professor, legal and Middle East analyst, novelist, essayist and Distinguished University Professor at Touro University. He&#39;s an all around Renaissance man. We talk about a host of issues including antisemitism, identity politics, and the true nature of liberalism. </p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 269: So You Want to Write a Book..., with Leah Paulos</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Leah Paulos. Leah Paulos, the founder of [Press Shop PR](https://www.pressshoppr.com), has worked at the intersection of books and media for over 25 years. She’s led publicity campaigns for hundreds of authors, helping them line up media attention and events and supporting them as they navigate the (somewhat bizarre) world of publishing. She has long wanted to offer publicity support to more authors than Press Shop PR can accommodate for full media campaigns. [Book Publicity School](https://www.bookpublicityschool.com) is her answer, allowing her to bring her decades of experience and passion for championing authors to more writers at an affordable price. We talk about the process of birthing a book, what it takes to promote it, and what it can teach us about life.
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Leah Paulos. Leah Paulos, the founder of <a href="https://www.pressshoppr.com" rel="nofollow">Press Shop PR</a>, has worked at the intersection of books and media for over 25 years. She’s led publicity campaigns for hundreds of authors, helping them line up media attention and events and supporting them as they navigate the (somewhat bizarre) world of publishing. She has long wanted to offer publicity support to more authors than Press Shop PR can accommodate for full media campaigns. <a href="https://www.bookpublicityschool.com" rel="nofollow">Book Publicity School</a> is her answer, allowing her to bring her decades of experience and passion for championing authors to more writers at an affordable price. We talk about the process of birthing a book, what it takes to promote it, and what it can teach us about life.</p><p>Special Guest: Leah Paulos .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Leah Paulos. Leah Paulos, the founder of <a href="https://www.pressshoppr.com" rel="nofollow">Press Shop PR</a>, has worked at the intersection of books and media for over 25 years. She’s led publicity campaigns for hundreds of authors, helping them line up media attention and events and supporting them as they navigate the (somewhat bizarre) world of publishing. She has long wanted to offer publicity support to more authors than Press Shop PR can accommodate for full media campaigns. <a href="https://www.bookpublicityschool.com" rel="nofollow">Book Publicity School</a> is her answer, allowing her to bring her decades of experience and passion for championing authors to more writers at an affordable price. We talk about the process of birthing a book, what it takes to promote it, and what it can teach us about life.</p><p>Special Guest: Leah Paulos .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Leah Paulos. Leah Paulos, the founder of <a href="https://www.pressshoppr.com" rel="nofollow">Press Shop PR</a>, has worked at the intersection of books and media for over 25 years. She’s led publicity campaigns for hundreds of authors, helping them line up media attention and events and supporting them as they navigate the (somewhat bizarre) world of publishing. She has long wanted to offer publicity support to more authors than Press Shop PR can accommodate for full media campaigns. <a href="https://www.bookpublicityschool.com" rel="nofollow">Book Publicity School</a> is her answer, allowing her to bring her decades of experience and passion for championing authors to more writers at an affordable price. We talk about the process of birthing a book, what it takes to promote it, and what it can teach us about life.</p><p>Special Guest: Leah Paulos .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 268: Embracing Alienation, with Todd McGowan</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Todd McGowan. Todd teaches theory and film at the University of Vermont.  In his new book "Embracing Alienation", McGowan offers a completely different take on alienation, claiming that the effort to overcome it is not a radical response to the current state of things but a failure to see the constitutive power of alienation for all of us. Instead of trying to overcome alienation and accede to an unalienated existence, it argues, we should instead redeem alienation as an existential and political program. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd McGowan. Todd teaches theory and film at the University of Vermont.  In his new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Alienation-Shouldnt-Find-Ourselves/dp/1915672228" rel="nofollow">Embracing Alienation</a>, McGowan offers a completely different take on alienation, claiming that the effort to overcome it is not a radical response to the current state of things but a failure to see the constitutive power of alienation for all of us. Instead of trying to overcome alienation and accede to an unalienated existence, it argues, we should instead redeem alienation as an existential and political program. </p>

<p>Engaging with Shakespeare’s great tragedies, contemporary films such as Don’t Worry Darling, and even what occurs on a public bus, as well as thinkers such as Descartes, Hegel, and Marx, McGowan provides a concrete elaboration of how alienation frees people from their situation. Relying on the tradition of dialectical thought and psychoanalytic theory, Embracing Alienation reveals a new way of conceiving how we measure progress — or even if progress should be the aim at all.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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<p>Engaging with Shakespeare’s great tragedies, contemporary films such as Don’t Worry Darling, and even what occurs on a public bus, as well as thinkers such as Descartes, Hegel, and Marx, McGowan provides a concrete elaboration of how alienation frees people from their situation. Relying on the tradition of dialectical thought and psychoanalytic theory, Embracing Alienation reveals a new way of conceiving how we measure progress — or even if progress should be the aim at all.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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<p>Engaging with Shakespeare’s great tragedies, contemporary films such as Don’t Worry Darling, and even what occurs on a public bus, as well as thinkers such as Descartes, Hegel, and Marx, McGowan provides a concrete elaboration of how alienation frees people from their situation. Relying on the tradition of dialectical thought and psychoanalytic theory, Embracing Alienation reveals a new way of conceiving how we measure progress — or even if progress should be the aim at all.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 267: Lack, Excess and the 2024 Election</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2024 21:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode best selling author and filmmaker  David Shields returns to the show. We have a wide ranging conversation about the recent Presidential election. We consider what it tells us about Trump, the culture, and most importantly ourselves.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode best selling author and filmmaker  David Shields returns to the show. We have a wide ranging conversation about the recent Presidential election. We consider what it tells us about Trump, the culture, and most importantly ourselves.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Click here for David&#39;s book, No One Hates Trump More Than Trump.</a></p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Click here for David&#39;s book, No One Hates Trump More Than Trump.</a></p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode best selling author and filmmaker  David Shields returns to the show. We have a wide ranging conversation about the recent Presidential election. We consider what it tells us about Trump, the culture, and most importantly ourselves.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Click here for David&#39;s book, No One Hates Trump More Than Trump.</a></p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 266: Theology Without God, with Beatrice Marovich</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Beatrice Marovich. She teaches in the Department of Theological Studies, at Hanover College. Her work offers provocative reflections on the way that strange and ancient religious figures and ideas remain at work in our cultures, in our politics, and in our bodies in both beautiful and deeply unsettling ways. We covered a vast array of topics including poltical theology, the nature of death, and karaoke. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>40:52</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Beatrice Marovich. She teaches in the Department of Theological Studies, at Hanover College. Her work offers provocative reflections on the way that strange and ancient religious figures and ideas remain at work in our cultures, in our politics, and in our bodies in both beautiful and deeply unsettling ways. We covered a vast array of topics including poltical theology, the nature of death, and karaoke. </p><p>Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Beatrice Marovich. She teaches in the Department of Theological Studies, at Hanover College. Her work offers provocative reflections on the way that strange and ancient religious figures and ideas remain at work in our cultures, in our politics, and in our bodies in both beautiful and deeply unsettling ways. We covered a vast array of topics including poltical theology, the nature of death, and karaoke. </p><p>Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Beatrice Marovich. She teaches in the Department of Theological Studies, at Hanover College. Her work offers provocative reflections on the way that strange and ancient religious figures and ideas remain at work in our cultures, in our politics, and in our bodies in both beautiful and deeply unsettling ways. We covered a vast array of topics including poltical theology, the nature of death, and karaoke. </p><p>Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 265: Love Is Still Winning, with Fabienne Doucet </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Fabienne Doucet. Her new book is Love Is Still Winning. When a little one sees their parents overwhelmed with the aftermath of distressing news, they remind themselves of the love that still shines through and all of the ways love is showcased in the simplest of actions that we often overlook. Whether helping a neighbor or reminiscing the beauty of a sunset with a loved one, love triumphs all. This inspiring picture book will encourage your little ones to practice seeing the good that exists all around us. Parents will adore this bilingual English-Spanish picture book as it introduces little ones to possibilities in which they can bring love and kindness into the world.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>53:28</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Fabienne Doucet. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Still-Winning-Sigue-Triunfando-Spanish/dp/1948066114/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YAXDHQwfS5vCg0HRe3-PPYKrZBdwzRX3h1fLJSAP2ucGDnXk51ldVf8EMvM5U-Tt.Lq8tHTda0kkXtGzOpC4NCHjNiApt2LySie1wVq944us&dib_tag=se&qid=1727977482&refinements=p_27%3AFabienne+Doucet&s=books&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Love Is Still Winning</a>. When a little one sees their parents overwhelmed with the aftermath of distressing news, they remind themselves of the love that still shines through and all of the ways love is showcased in the simplest of actions that we often overlook. Whether helping a neighbor or reminiscing the beauty of a sunset with a loved one, love triumphs all. This inspiring picture book will encourage your little ones to practice seeing the good that exists all around us. Parents will adore this bilingual English-Spanish picture book as it introduces little ones to possibilities in which they can bring love and kindness into the world. </p><p>Special Guest: Fabienne Doucet.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Fabienne Doucet. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Still-Winning-Sigue-Triunfando-Spanish/dp/1948066114/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YAXDHQwfS5vCg0HRe3-PPYKrZBdwzRX3h1fLJSAP2ucGDnXk51ldVf8EMvM5U-Tt.Lq8tHTda0kkXtGzOpC4NCHjNiApt2LySie1wVq944us&dib_tag=se&qid=1727977482&refinements=p_27%3AFabienne+Doucet&s=books&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Love Is Still Winning</a>. When a little one sees their parents overwhelmed with the aftermath of distressing news, they remind themselves of the love that still shines through and all of the ways love is showcased in the simplest of actions that we often overlook. Whether helping a neighbor or reminiscing the beauty of a sunset with a loved one, love triumphs all. This inspiring picture book will encourage your little ones to practice seeing the good that exists all around us. Parents will adore this bilingual English-Spanish picture book as it introduces little ones to possibilities in which they can bring love and kindness into the world. </p><p>Special Guest: Fabienne Doucet.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Fabienne Doucet. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Still-Winning-Sigue-Triunfando-Spanish/dp/1948066114/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YAXDHQwfS5vCg0HRe3-PPYKrZBdwzRX3h1fLJSAP2ucGDnXk51ldVf8EMvM5U-Tt.Lq8tHTda0kkXtGzOpC4NCHjNiApt2LySie1wVq944us&dib_tag=se&qid=1727977482&refinements=p_27%3AFabienne+Doucet&s=books&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Love Is Still Winning</a>. When a little one sees their parents overwhelmed with the aftermath of distressing news, they remind themselves of the love that still shines through and all of the ways love is showcased in the simplest of actions that we often overlook. Whether helping a neighbor or reminiscing the beauty of a sunset with a loved one, love triumphs all. This inspiring picture book will encourage your little ones to practice seeing the good that exists all around us. Parents will adore this bilingual English-Spanish picture book as it introduces little ones to possibilities in which they can bring love and kindness into the world. </p><p>Special Guest: Fabienne Doucet.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 264: Behold The Pierced One, with David Shields</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2024 23:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode Scott is joined by return guest and friend of the show David Shields. The two talk about the assassination attempt on former President Trump, the messianic response by some, and what it means for the upcoming election. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 263: Biden's Tragic Flaw</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode Scott is joined by return guest and friend of the show David Shields. The two talk about the strange political moment the country faces and what might be the Shakespearean tragic nature of it all.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:14:40</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 262: The Cultural Politics of the WNBA, with David Shields and Josh Rosenblatt</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode Scott talks with authors David Shields and Josh Rosenblatt about the cultural politics of the WNBA. Much has been made of two of the NBA's prominent stars: Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. What are the racial and political implications of the coverage of these two athletes? What do they tell us about wider American culture as a whole in a tense election season?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:23:14</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Scott talks with authors David Shields and Josh Rosenblatt about the cultural politics of the WNBA. Much has been made of the coverage of two of the WNBA&#39;s prominent stars: Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. What are the racial and political implications of the coverage of these two athletes? What do they tell us about wider American culture as a whole in a tense election season?</p><p>Special Guests: David Shields and Josh Rosenblatt.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 261: Being a Wartime Rabbi, with Rabbi Raphael Davidovich</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2024 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we are joined by Raphael Davidovich. He is the Rabbi of Cleveland's friendliest Orthodox schule. We touch on a host of issues including and especially what it means to be an American Rabbi when Israel is at war. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:19:24</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we are joined by Raphael Davidovich. He is the Rabbi of Cleveland&#39;s friendliest Orthodox schule. We touch on a host of issues including and especially what it means to be an American Rabbi when Israel is at war.</p>

<p>You can find Rabbi Davidovich&#39;s podcast here:</p>

<p><a href="https://anchor.fm/raphael-davidovich" rel="nofollow">https://anchor.fm/raphael-davidovich</a></p><p>Special Guest: Raphael Davidovich.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we are joined by Raphael Davidovich. He is the Rabbi of Cleveland&#39;s friendliest Orthodox schule. We touch on a host of issues including and especially what it means to be an American Rabbi when Israel is at war.</p>

<p>You can find Rabbi Davidovich&#39;s podcast here:</p>

<p><a href="https://anchor.fm/raphael-davidovich" rel="nofollow">https://anchor.fm/raphael-davidovich</a></p><p>Special Guest: Raphael Davidovich.</p>]]>
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<p>You can find Rabbi Davidovich&#39;s podcast here:</p>

<p><a href="https://anchor.fm/raphael-davidovich" rel="nofollow">https://anchor.fm/raphael-davidovich</a></p><p>Special Guest: Raphael Davidovich.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 260: Doing Faith Holistically, with Rabbi Uri Allen</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Rabbi Uri Allen. Rabbi Uri Allen is a guitar-playing Abba of three who loves cooking, traveling around the country to see his favorite band Phish and learning Torah. His passions
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      <title>Episode 259: The Einstein Effect: How the World's Favorite Genius Got into Our Cars, Our Bathrooms, and Our Minds, with Benyamin Cohen</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Oct 2023 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. Benyamin Cohen manages the official social media accounts of Albert Einstein. He is the News Director of the Forward and was the founding editor of both Jewsweek and American Jewish Life magazine. His newest book is The Einstein Effect: How the World's Favorite Genius Got into Our Cars, Our Bathrooms, and Our Minds. It's a fascinating look into how Einstein's genius and science continues to show up in so many facets of our everyday lives and his enduring legacy as an unlikely pop culture icon.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:54</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. Benyamin Cohen manages the official social media accounts of Albert Einstein. He is the News Director of the Forward and was the founding editor of both Jewsweek and American Jewish Life magazine. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Einstein-Effect-Favorite-Bathrooms-Fascinating/dp/1728248388" rel="nofollow">The Einstein Effect: How the World&#39;s Favorite Genius Got into Our Cars, Our Bathrooms, and Our Minds.</a> It&#39;s a fascinating look into how Einstein&#39;s genius and science continues to show up in so many facets of our everyday lives and his enduring legacy as an unlikely pop culture icon.</p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. Benyamin Cohen manages the official social media accounts of Albert Einstein. He is the News Director of the Forward and was the founding editor of both Jewsweek and American Jewish Life magazine. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Einstein-Effect-Favorite-Bathrooms-Fascinating/dp/1728248388" rel="nofollow">The Einstein Effect: How the World&#39;s Favorite Genius Got into Our Cars, Our Bathrooms, and Our Minds.</a> It&#39;s a fascinating look into how Einstein&#39;s genius and science continues to show up in so many facets of our everyday lives and his enduring legacy as an unlikely pop culture icon.</p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 258: Humanism, Healing and Hope, with Jane Rosenzweig</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2023 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jane Rosenzweig. Jane has spent a career working in the Diversity, Equity and Inclusion field in corporate America. She and I also spend entirely too much time on an app called Clubhouse, which is where we met. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:14</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 257: You're Only Human, with Kelly Kapic</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2021 10:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Kelly Kapic. Work. Family. Church. Exercise. Sleep.

The list of demands on our time seems to be never ending. It can leave you feeling a little guilty--like you should always be doing one more thing.

Rather than sharing better time-management tips to squeeze more hours out of the day, Kelly Kapic takes a different approach in You're Only Human. He offers a better way to make peace with the fact that God didn't create us to do it all.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:05:20</itunes:duration>
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<p>The list of demands on our time seems to be never ending. It can leave you feeling a little guilty--like you should always be doing one more thing.</p>

<p>Rather than sharing better time-management tips to squeeze more hours out of the day, Kelly Kapic takes a different approach in You&#39;re Only Human. He offers a better way to make peace with the fact that God didn&#39;t create us to do it all.</p>

<p>Kapic explores the theology behind seeing our human limitations as a gift rather than a deficiency. He lays out a path to holistic living with healthy self-understanding, life-giving relationships, and meaningful contributions to the world. He frees us from confusing our limitations with sin and instead invites us to rest in the joy and relief of knowing that God can use our limitations to foster freedom, joy, growth, and community.</p>

<p>Readers will emerge better equipped to cultivate a life that fosters gratitude, rest, and faithful service to God.</p><p>Special Guest: Kelly M. Kapic.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Work. Family. Church. Exercise. Sleep.</p>

<p>The list of demands on our time seems to be never ending. It can leave you feeling a little guilty--like you should always be doing one more thing.</p>

<p>Rather than sharing better time-management tips to squeeze more hours out of the day, Kelly Kapic takes a different approach in You&#39;re Only Human. He offers a better way to make peace with the fact that God didn&#39;t create us to do it all.</p>

<p>Kapic explores the theology behind seeing our human limitations as a gift rather than a deficiency. He lays out a path to holistic living with healthy self-understanding, life-giving relationships, and meaningful contributions to the world. He frees us from confusing our limitations with sin and instead invites us to rest in the joy and relief of knowing that God can use our limitations to foster freedom, joy, growth, and community.</p>

<p>Readers will emerge better equipped to cultivate a life that fosters gratitude, rest, and faithful service to God.</p><p>Special Guest: Kelly M. Kapic.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Work. Family. Church. Exercise. Sleep.</p>

<p>The list of demands on our time seems to be never ending. It can leave you feeling a little guilty--like you should always be doing one more thing.</p>

<p>Rather than sharing better time-management tips to squeeze more hours out of the day, Kelly Kapic takes a different approach in You&#39;re Only Human. He offers a better way to make peace with the fact that God didn&#39;t create us to do it all.</p>

<p>Kapic explores the theology behind seeing our human limitations as a gift rather than a deficiency. He lays out a path to holistic living with healthy self-understanding, life-giving relationships, and meaningful contributions to the world. He frees us from confusing our limitations with sin and instead invites us to rest in the joy and relief of knowing that God can use our limitations to foster freedom, joy, growth, and community.</p>

<p>Readers will emerge better equipped to cultivate a life that fosters gratitude, rest, and faithful service to God.</p><p>Special Guest: Kelly M. Kapic.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 256: Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts, with Kirsten Powers</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2021 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Kirsten Powers. Her new book is "Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts." In it this CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist offers a path to navigating the toxic division in our culture without compromising our convictions and emotional well-being, based on her experience as a journalist during the Trump era, interviews with experts, and research on what leads people to actually change their minds.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>58:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kirsten Powers. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V4XDPZQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.</a> In it this CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist offers a path to navigating the toxic division in our culture without compromising our convictions and emotional well-being, based on her experience as a journalist during the Trump era, interviews with experts, and research on what leads people to actually change their minds.</p><p>Special Guest: Kirsten Powers.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kirsten Powers. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V4XDPZQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.</a> In it this CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist offers a path to navigating the toxic division in our culture without compromising our convictions and emotional well-being, based on her experience as a journalist during the Trump era, interviews with experts, and research on what leads people to actually change their minds.</p><p>Special Guest: Kirsten Powers.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kirsten Powers. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08V4XDPZQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts.</a> In it this CNN senior political analyst and USA Today columnist offers a path to navigating the toxic division in our culture without compromising our convictions and emotional well-being, based on her experience as a journalist during the Trump era, interviews with experts, and research on what leads people to actually change their minds.</p><p>Special Guest: Kirsten Powers.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 255: The Rise of Post-Liberal Man </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2021 16:15:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Mathis Bitton. He is a student of political theory at Yale University. His writing focuses on liberalism and its discontents, Confucian and Islamic thought, city-states, and institution-building. You can follow him on Twitter at @mlbitton. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>54:17</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mathis Bitton. He is a student of political theory at Yale University. His writing focuses on liberalism and its discontents, Confucian and Islamic thought, city-states, and institution-building. You can follow him on Twitter at @mlbitton. </p>

<p>His recent piece, The Rise of Post-Liberal Man, sparked the conversation. You can read it here:</p>

<p><a href="https://quillette.com/2021/07/22/the-rise-of-post-liberal-man/" rel="nofollow">https://quillette.com/2021/07/22/the-rise-of-post-liberal-man/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mathis Bitton. He is a student of political theory at Yale University. His writing focuses on liberalism and its discontents, Confucian and Islamic thought, city-states, and institution-building. You can follow him on Twitter at @mlbitton. </p>

<p>His recent piece, The Rise of Post-Liberal Man, sparked the conversation. You can read it here:</p>

<p><a href="https://quillette.com/2021/07/22/the-rise-of-post-liberal-man/" rel="nofollow">https://quillette.com/2021/07/22/the-rise-of-post-liberal-man/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mathis Bitton. He is a student of political theory at Yale University. His writing focuses on liberalism and its discontents, Confucian and Islamic thought, city-states, and institution-building. You can follow him on Twitter at @mlbitton. </p>

<p>His recent piece, The Rise of Post-Liberal Man, sparked the conversation. You can read it here:</p>

<p><a href="https://quillette.com/2021/07/22/the-rise-of-post-liberal-man/" rel="nofollow">https://quillette.com/2021/07/22/the-rise-of-post-liberal-man/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 254: The 40 Day Challenge, with Rabbi Mark Wildes</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 12:45:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Mark Wildes. His newest book is "The 40 Day Challenge". 

Sometimes we are spiritually frozen. This book will thaw you out and heat you up - Nissim Black, Rapper and Businessman

Written in an approachable, uplifting, and accessible style, The 40 Day Challenge is an invitation for people who believe there is more to life than the daily grind. It offers the reader easily digestible and compact Jewish wisdom, each day for the 40 days from Rosh Chodesh Elul leading up to Yom Kippur. Each daily reading is followed by a challenge question so it can serve as a spiritual diary as you approach the High Holidays. This year, instead of just “showing up,” prepare yourself with a Torah insight written by MJE Founder Rabbi Mark Wildes, who has spent his life inspiring Jews from all walks of life.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:12</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Wildes. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/40-Day-Challenge-Mark-Wildes/dp/1947857673/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=40+day+challenge+wildes&qid=1627318296&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The 40 Day Challenge. </a></p>

<p>Sometimes we are spiritually frozen. This book will thaw you out and heat you up - Nissim Black, Rapper and Businessman</p>

<p>Written in an approachable, uplifting, and accessible style, The 40 Day Challenge is an invitation for people who believe there is more to life than the daily grind. It offers the reader easily digestible and compact Jewish wisdom, each day for the 40 days from Rosh Chodesh Elul leading up to Yom Kippur. Each daily reading is followed by a challenge question so it can serve as a spiritual diary as you approach the High Holidays. This year, instead of just “showing up,” prepare yourself with a Torah insight written by MJE Founder Rabbi Mark Wildes, who has spent his life inspiring Jews from all walks of life.</p><p>Special Guest: Rabbi Mark Wildes.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Wildes. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/40-Day-Challenge-Mark-Wildes/dp/1947857673/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=40+day+challenge+wildes&qid=1627318296&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The 40 Day Challenge. </a></p>

<p>Sometimes we are spiritually frozen. This book will thaw you out and heat you up - Nissim Black, Rapper and Businessman</p>

<p>Written in an approachable, uplifting, and accessible style, The 40 Day Challenge is an invitation for people who believe there is more to life than the daily grind. It offers the reader easily digestible and compact Jewish wisdom, each day for the 40 days from Rosh Chodesh Elul leading up to Yom Kippur. Each daily reading is followed by a challenge question so it can serve as a spiritual diary as you approach the High Holidays. This year, instead of just “showing up,” prepare yourself with a Torah insight written by MJE Founder Rabbi Mark Wildes, who has spent his life inspiring Jews from all walks of life.</p><p>Special Guest: Rabbi Mark Wildes.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mark Wildes. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/40-Day-Challenge-Mark-Wildes/dp/1947857673/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=40+day+challenge+wildes&qid=1627318296&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The 40 Day Challenge. </a></p>

<p>Sometimes we are spiritually frozen. This book will thaw you out and heat you up - Nissim Black, Rapper and Businessman</p>

<p>Written in an approachable, uplifting, and accessible style, The 40 Day Challenge is an invitation for people who believe there is more to life than the daily grind. It offers the reader easily digestible and compact Jewish wisdom, each day for the 40 days from Rosh Chodesh Elul leading up to Yom Kippur. Each daily reading is followed by a challenge question so it can serve as a spiritual diary as you approach the High Holidays. This year, instead of just “showing up,” prepare yourself with a Torah insight written by MJE Founder Rabbi Mark Wildes, who has spent his life inspiring Jews from all walks of life.</p><p>Special Guest: Rabbi Mark Wildes.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 253: Supreme Court Recap, with Steve Krone</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2021 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Steve Krone. In addition to being an entertainment lawyer and a prolific film producer, he also was a Supreme Court clerk for Justices William J. Brennan, Jr. and David H. Souter. We talked about the two significant decisions the Supreme Court handed down this week. We also chatted a bit about film. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:11:02</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 252: Talking Politics, Pop-Culture, and Podcasting, with Roifield Brown</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2021 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode I talk with Roifield Brown. Roifield Brown is an experienced podcaster and media strategist, with an impressive track record of helping companies enhance and grow their media properties to diverse audiences across a wide range of categories, including politics, history, culture and entertainment.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:08:22</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode I talk with Roifield Brown. Roifield Brown is an experienced podcaster and media strategist, with an impressive track record of helping companies enhance and grow their media properties to diverse audiences across a wide range of categories, including politics, history, culture and entertainment.</p><p>Special Guest: Roifield Brown.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode I talk with Roifield Brown. Roifield Brown is an experienced podcaster and media strategist, with an impressive track record of helping companies enhance and grow their media properties to diverse audiences across a wide range of categories, including politics, history, culture and entertainment.</p><p>Special Guest: Roifield Brown.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode I talk with Roifield Brown. Roifield Brown is an experienced podcaster and media strategist, with an impressive track record of helping companies enhance and grow their media properties to diverse audiences across a wide range of categories, including politics, history, culture and entertainment.</p><p>Special Guest: Roifield Brown.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 251: Candles in the Dark, with Rowan Williams </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2021 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Rowan Williams. ‘As we contemplate the coming months, not knowing when we can breathe again, it’s worth thinking about how already the foundations have been laid for whatever new opportunities God has for us on the far side of this crisis.’ Rowan Williams offers these words of wisdom and many more in his new book "Candles in the Dark." This powerful and timely book brings together the 26 weekly Christian meditations originally posted online from March to September 2020, during lockdown in the first wave of the Covid-19 pandemic, for the congregation of his local parish church. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:42</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rowan Williams. ‘As we contemplate the coming months, not knowing when we can breathe again, it’s worth thinking about how already the foundations have been laid for whatever new opportunities God has for us on the far side of this crisis.’ Rowan Williams offers these words of wisdom and many more in his new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NSRB4V5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Candles in the Dark</a>. This powerful and timely book brings together the 26 weekly Christian meditations originally posted online from March to September 2020, during lockdown in the first wave of the Covid-19 pandemic, for the congregation of his local parish church. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NSRB4V5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Candles in the Dark</a> is a lovely Christian book of comfort for anyone looking for the light in these dark times. Written with warmth and compassion, these meditations offer us hope and encouragement as we continue to endure the most devastating and disturbing world crisis for over a generation. They will leave you spiritually uplifted and with a strengthened faith to guide you through whatever may come.</p><p>Special Guest: Rowan Williams.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rowan Williams. ‘As we contemplate the coming months, not knowing when we can breathe again, it’s worth thinking about how already the foundations have been laid for whatever new opportunities God has for us on the far side of this crisis.’ Rowan Williams offers these words of wisdom and many more in his new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NSRB4V5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Candles in the Dark</a>. This powerful and timely book brings together the 26 weekly Christian meditations originally posted online from March to September 2020, during lockdown in the first wave of the Covid-19 pandemic, for the congregation of his local parish church. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NSRB4V5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Candles in the Dark</a> is a lovely Christian book of comfort for anyone looking for the light in these dark times. Written with warmth and compassion, these meditations offer us hope and encouragement as we continue to endure the most devastating and disturbing world crisis for over a generation. They will leave you spiritually uplifted and with a strengthened faith to guide you through whatever may come.</p><p>Special Guest: Rowan Williams.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rowan Williams. ‘As we contemplate the coming months, not knowing when we can breathe again, it’s worth thinking about how already the foundations have been laid for whatever new opportunities God has for us on the far side of this crisis.’ Rowan Williams offers these words of wisdom and many more in his new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NSRB4V5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Candles in the Dark</a>. This powerful and timely book brings together the 26 weekly Christian meditations originally posted online from March to September 2020, during lockdown in the first wave of the Covid-19 pandemic, for the congregation of his local parish church. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08NSRB4V5/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Candles in the Dark</a> is a lovely Christian book of comfort for anyone looking for the light in these dark times. Written with warmth and compassion, these meditations offer us hope and encouragement as we continue to endure the most devastating and disturbing world crisis for over a generation. They will leave you spiritually uplifted and with a strengthened faith to guide you through whatever may come.</p><p>Special Guest: Rowan Williams.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 250: Everybody Prays, with James Martin </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is James Martin, SJ. His newest book is Learning to Pray: A Guide for Everyone. He is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of America magazine, consultor to the Vatican's Secretariat for Communications, and author of numerous books, including the New York Times bestsellers "Jesus: A Pilgrimage" and "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything." Among his other books, "My Life with the Saints" and "Between Heaven and Mirth" were named by Publishers Weekly as "Best Books" of the year, and three of his books have received Christopher Awards. Father Martin is a frequent commentator in the national and international media, having appeared on all the major networks, and in such diverse outlets as The Colbert Report, Fresh Air, On Being, Fox &amp; Friends, PBS's NewsHour, the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Boston Globe, as well as on the History Channel, BBC, and Vatican Radio. Before entering the Jesuits in 1988, he graduated from the Wharton School of Business.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>58:08</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Martin, SJ. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0881RR2QZ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Learning to Pray: A Guide for Everyone</a>. He is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of America magazine, consultor to the Vatican&#39;s Secretariat for Communications, and author of numerous books, including the New York Times bestsellers &quot;Jesus: A Pilgrimage&quot; and &quot;The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything.&quot; Among his other books, &quot;My Life with the Saints&quot; and &quot;Between Heaven and Mirth&quot; were named by Publishers Weekly as &quot;Best Books&quot; of the year, and three of his books have received Christopher Awards. Father Martin is a frequent commentator in the national and international media, having appeared on all the major networks, and in such diverse outlets as The Colbert Report, Fresh Air, On Being, Fox &amp; Friends, PBS&#39;s NewsHour, the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Boston Globe, as well as on the History Channel, BBC, and Vatican Radio. Before entering the Jesuits in 1988, he graduated from the Wharton School of Business.</p><p>Special Guest: James Martin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Martin, SJ. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0881RR2QZ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Learning to Pray: A Guide for Everyone</a>. He is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of America magazine, consultor to the Vatican&#39;s Secretariat for Communications, and author of numerous books, including the New York Times bestsellers &quot;Jesus: A Pilgrimage&quot; and &quot;The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything.&quot; Among his other books, &quot;My Life with the Saints&quot; and &quot;Between Heaven and Mirth&quot; were named by Publishers Weekly as &quot;Best Books&quot; of the year, and three of his books have received Christopher Awards. Father Martin is a frequent commentator in the national and international media, having appeared on all the major networks, and in such diverse outlets as The Colbert Report, Fresh Air, On Being, Fox &amp; Friends, PBS&#39;s NewsHour, the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal and The Boston Globe, as well as on the History Channel, BBC, and Vatican Radio. Before entering the Jesuits in 1988, he graduated from the Wharton School of Business.</p><p>Special Guest: James Martin.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 249: To Reach the Spring: From Complicity to Consciousness in the Age of Eco-Crisis, with Nathaniel Popkin </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2021 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. His newest book is "To Reach the Spring: From Complicity to Consciousness in the Age of Eco-Crisis." In the shadow of an escalating eco-crisis—a looming catastrophe that will dwarf the fallout from COVID-19—how can we explain our society’s failure to act? What will we tell future generations? Are we paralyzed because the problem is so vast in scope, or are there deeper reasons for the widespread passivity? Nathaniel Popkin explores the moral, social, and psychological dimensions of the crisis, outlining a path to a future spring.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:36:54</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KHKXQSW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">To Reach the Spring: From Complicity to Consciousness in the Age of Eco-Crisis.</a> In the shadow of an escalating eco-crisis—a looming catastrophe that will dwarf the fallout from COVID-19—how can we explain our society’s failure to act? What will we tell future generations? Are we paralyzed because the problem is so vast in scope, or are there deeper reasons for the widespread passivity? Nathaniel Popkin explores the moral, social, and psychological dimensions of the crisis, outlining a path to a future spring.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08KHKXQSW/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">To Reach the Spring: From Complicity to Consciousness in the Age of Eco-Crisis.</a> In the shadow of an escalating eco-crisis—a looming catastrophe that will dwarf the fallout from COVID-19—how can we explain our society’s failure to act? What will we tell future generations? Are we paralyzed because the problem is so vast in scope, or are there deeper reasons for the widespread passivity? Nathaniel Popkin explores the moral, social, and psychological dimensions of the crisis, outlining a path to a future spring.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 248: Human Work in the Age of Smart Machines, with Jamie Merisotis</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jamie Merisotis. He's the author of "Human Work in the Age of Smart Machines." As computer technology advances with dizzying speed, human workers face an ever-increasing threat of obsolescence. In Human Work In the Age of Smart Machines, Jamie Merisotis argues that we can—and must—rise to this challenge by preparing to work alongside smart machines doing that which only humans can: thinking critically, reasoning ethically, interacting interpersonally, and serving others with empathy. The president and CEO of Lumina Foundation, Merisotis offers a roadmap for the large-scale, radical changes we must make in order to find abundant and meaningful work for ourselves in the 21st century.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>37:04</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As computer technology advances with dizzying speed, human workers face an ever-increasing threat of obsolescence. In Human Work In the Age of Smart Machines, Jamie Merisotis argues that we can—and must—rise to this challenge by preparing to work alongside smart machines doing that which only humans can: thinking critically, reasoning ethically, interacting interpersonally, and serving others with empathy. The president and CEO of Lumina Foundation, Merisotis offers a roadmap for the large-scale, radical changes we must make in order to find abundant and meaningful work for ourselves in the 21st century. His vision centers on developing our unique capabilities as humans through learning opportunities that deliver fair results and offer a broad range of credentials. By challenging long-held assumptions and expanding our concept of work, Merisotis argues that we can harness the population’s potential, encourage a deeper sense of community, and erase a centuries-long system of inequality.</p><p>Special Guest: Jamie Merisotis .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>As computer technology advances with dizzying speed, human workers face an ever-increasing threat of obsolescence. In Human Work In the Age of Smart Machines, Jamie Merisotis argues that we can—and must—rise to this challenge by preparing to work alongside smart machines doing that which only humans can: thinking critically, reasoning ethically, interacting interpersonally, and serving others with empathy. The president and CEO of Lumina Foundation, Merisotis offers a roadmap for the large-scale, radical changes we must make in order to find abundant and meaningful work for ourselves in the 21st century. His vision centers on developing our unique capabilities as humans through learning opportunities that deliver fair results and offer a broad range of credentials. By challenging long-held assumptions and expanding our concept of work, Merisotis argues that we can harness the population’s potential, encourage a deeper sense of community, and erase a centuries-long system of inequality.</p><p>Special Guest: Jamie Merisotis .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 247: The Very Last Interview: with David Shields, Nick Toti, and Rachel Kempf</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are David Shields, Nick Toti, and Rachel Kempf about The Very Last Interview (Shields' forthcoming book), film-adapted by Toti and Kempf and released this month. Shields is the author of over twenty books including Reality Hunger, Other People, How Literature Saved My Life, The Trouble with Men, That Thing You Do With Your Mouth, etc. While The Very Last Interview will not be released until early 2022 by New York Review Books, Toti released the 30 minute short earlier this month via Vimeo. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are David Shields, Nick Toti, and Rachel Kempf. We talk about The Very Last Interview (Shields&#39; forthcoming book), film-adapted by Toti and Kempf and released this month. Shields is the author of over twenty books including <em>Reality Hunger, Other People, How Literature Saved My Life, The Trouble with Men, That Thing You Do With Your Mouth, etc.</em> While <em>The Very Last Interview</em> will not be released until early 2022 by New York Review Books, Toti released the 30 minute short earlier this month via Vimeo. </p><p>Special Guests: David Shields, Nick Toti, and Rachel Kempf.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are David Shields, Nick Toti, and Rachel Kempf. We talk about The Very Last Interview (Shields&#39; forthcoming book), film-adapted by Toti and Kempf and released this month. Shields is the author of over twenty books including <em>Reality Hunger, Other People, How Literature Saved My Life, The Trouble with Men, That Thing You Do With Your Mouth, etc.</em> While <em>The Very Last Interview</em> will not be released until early 2022 by New York Review Books, Toti released the 30 minute short earlier this month via Vimeo. </p><p>Special Guests: David Shields, Nick Toti, and Rachel Kempf.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 246: 6 Spiritual Truths that Won’t Change with the Election, with Frederick Schmidt </title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2020 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest if Frederick Schmidt. He holds the Rueben P. Job Chair in Spiritual Formation at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston, IL. He's also an Episcopal Priest. He recently wrote a piece entitled "6 Spiritual Truths that Won’t Change with the Election." It's a timely piece for reflection and discussion. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest if Frederick Schmidt. He holds the Rueben P. Job Chair in Spiritual Formation at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston, IL. He&#39;s also an Episcopal Priest. He recently wrote a piece entitled &quot;6 Spiritual Truths that Won’t Change with the Election.&quot; It&#39;s a timely piece for reflection and discussion. </p><p>Special Guest: Frederick W. Schmidt .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 245: Presidential Playbook 2020: 16 Nonpartisan Solutions to Save America, with John Burke </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is John Burke. His newest book is "Presidential Playbook 2020: 16 Nonpartisan Solutions to Save America." “And sometime, at some point, do something for your country.” That quote from Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David McCullough resonated so deeply with Trek Bicycle President John Burke that he set out to write a book laying out his vision for the country, an America that can once again be a shining city on a hill.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:51</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Burke. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Playbook-2020-Nonpartisan-Solutions/dp/1942586744/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=John+Burke+2020&qid=1602635276&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Presidential Playbook 2020: 16 Nonpartisan Solutions to Save America.</a> “And sometime, at some point, do something for your country.” That quote from Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David McCullough resonated so deeply with Trek Bicycle President John Burke that he set out to write a book laying out his vision for the country, an America that can once again be a shining city on a hill.</p>

<p>Burke says it’s time to cut through the political fog and deal with the facts: The U.S. is facing serious, long-term problems, and politicians in Washington, D.C. are ignoring them. These critical issues can be resolved, he says, with the determination and shared sacrifice of the American people. From battling climate change to saving Social Security, from reducing the risk of nuclear war to rebuilding crumbling roads and bridges, from campaign finance reform to improving the health of Americans, John Burke offers his 16 Nonpartisan Solutions for putting the United States on a stronger foundation. This is his Presidential Playbook, a plan for America’s future—and a call for all Americans to come together and … do something for our country.</p><p>Special Guest: John Burke .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Burke. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Playbook-2020-Nonpartisan-Solutions/dp/1942586744/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=John+Burke+2020&qid=1602635276&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Presidential Playbook 2020: 16 Nonpartisan Solutions to Save America.</a> “And sometime, at some point, do something for your country.” That quote from Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David McCullough resonated so deeply with Trek Bicycle President John Burke that he set out to write a book laying out his vision for the country, an America that can once again be a shining city on a hill.</p>

<p>Burke says it’s time to cut through the political fog and deal with the facts: The U.S. is facing serious, long-term problems, and politicians in Washington, D.C. are ignoring them. These critical issues can be resolved, he says, with the determination and shared sacrifice of the American people. From battling climate change to saving Social Security, from reducing the risk of nuclear war to rebuilding crumbling roads and bridges, from campaign finance reform to improving the health of Americans, John Burke offers his 16 Nonpartisan Solutions for putting the United States on a stronger foundation. This is his Presidential Playbook, a plan for America’s future—and a call for all Americans to come together and … do something for our country.</p><p>Special Guest: John Burke .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Burke. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Presidential-Playbook-2020-Nonpartisan-Solutions/dp/1942586744/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=John+Burke+2020&qid=1602635276&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Presidential Playbook 2020: 16 Nonpartisan Solutions to Save America.</a> “And sometime, at some point, do something for your country.” That quote from Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David McCullough resonated so deeply with Trek Bicycle President John Burke that he set out to write a book laying out his vision for the country, an America that can once again be a shining city on a hill.</p>

<p>Burke says it’s time to cut through the political fog and deal with the facts: The U.S. is facing serious, long-term problems, and politicians in Washington, D.C. are ignoring them. These critical issues can be resolved, he says, with the determination and shared sacrifice of the American people. From battling climate change to saving Social Security, from reducing the risk of nuclear war to rebuilding crumbling roads and bridges, from campaign finance reform to improving the health of Americans, John Burke offers his 16 Nonpartisan Solutions for putting the United States on a stronger foundation. This is his Presidential Playbook, a plan for America’s future—and a call for all Americans to come together and … do something for our country.</p><p>Special Guest: John Burke .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 244: Healing Politics: A Doctor’s Journey into the Heart of Our Political Epidemic, Abdul El-Sayed </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Abdul El-Sayed. His new book is "Healing Politics: A Doctor’s Journey into the Heart of Our Political Epidemic." From a rising voice in progressive politics, a combination of memoir, science, and public policy, diagnosing the challenges facing America and laying out a way forward
A child of immigrants, Abdul El-Sayed grew up feeling a responsibility to help others. He threw himself into the study of medicine and excelled—winning a Rhodes Scholarship, earning two advanced degrees, and landing a tenure-track position at Columbia University. At 30, he became the youngest city health official in America, tasked with rebuilding Detroit's health department after years of austerity policies. 
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      <itunes:duration>37:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Abdul El-Sayed. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Politics-Doctors-Political-Epidemic/dp/1419743023" rel="nofollow">Healing Politics: A Doctor’s Journey into the Heart of Our Political Epidemic.</a> From a rising voice in progressive politics, a combination of memoir, science, and public policy, diagnosing the challenges facing America and laying out a way forward<br>
A child of immigrants, Abdul El-Sayed grew up feeling a responsibility to help others. He threw himself into the study of medicine and excelled—winning a Rhodes Scholarship, earning two advanced degrees, and landing a tenure-track position at Columbia University. At 30, he became the youngest city health official in America, tasked with rebuilding Detroit&#39;s health department after years of austerity policies. </p>

<p>But El-Sayed found himself disillusioned. He could heal the sick—even build healthier and safer communities—but that wouldn’t address the social and economic conditions causing illness in the first place. So he left health for politics, running for Governor of Michigan and earning the support of progressive champions like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez and Senator Bernie Sanders. </p>

<p>In Healing Politics, El-Sayed traces the life of a young idealist, weaving together powerful personal stories and fascinating forays into history and science. Marrying his unique perspective with the science of epidemiology, El-Sayed diagnoses an underlying epidemic afflicting our country, an epidemic of insecurity. And to heal the rifts this epidemic has created, he lays out a new direction for the progressive movement. This is a bold, personal, and compellingly original book from a prominent young leader.</p><p>Special Guest: Abdul El-Sayed.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Abdul El-Sayed. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Politics-Doctors-Political-Epidemic/dp/1419743023" rel="nofollow">Healing Politics: A Doctor’s Journey into the Heart of Our Political Epidemic.</a> From a rising voice in progressive politics, a combination of memoir, science, and public policy, diagnosing the challenges facing America and laying out a way forward<br>
A child of immigrants, Abdul El-Sayed grew up feeling a responsibility to help others. He threw himself into the study of medicine and excelled—winning a Rhodes Scholarship, earning two advanced degrees, and landing a tenure-track position at Columbia University. At 30, he became the youngest city health official in America, tasked with rebuilding Detroit&#39;s health department after years of austerity policies. </p>

<p>But El-Sayed found himself disillusioned. He could heal the sick—even build healthier and safer communities—but that wouldn’t address the social and economic conditions causing illness in the first place. So he left health for politics, running for Governor of Michigan and earning the support of progressive champions like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez and Senator Bernie Sanders. </p>

<p>In Healing Politics, El-Sayed traces the life of a young idealist, weaving together powerful personal stories and fascinating forays into history and science. Marrying his unique perspective with the science of epidemiology, El-Sayed diagnoses an underlying epidemic afflicting our country, an epidemic of insecurity. And to heal the rifts this epidemic has created, he lays out a new direction for the progressive movement. This is a bold, personal, and compellingly original book from a prominent young leader.</p><p>Special Guest: Abdul El-Sayed.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Abdul El-Sayed. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Politics-Doctors-Political-Epidemic/dp/1419743023" rel="nofollow">Healing Politics: A Doctor’s Journey into the Heart of Our Political Epidemic.</a> From a rising voice in progressive politics, a combination of memoir, science, and public policy, diagnosing the challenges facing America and laying out a way forward<br>
A child of immigrants, Abdul El-Sayed grew up feeling a responsibility to help others. He threw himself into the study of medicine and excelled—winning a Rhodes Scholarship, earning two advanced degrees, and landing a tenure-track position at Columbia University. At 30, he became the youngest city health official in America, tasked with rebuilding Detroit&#39;s health department after years of austerity policies. </p>

<p>But El-Sayed found himself disillusioned. He could heal the sick—even build healthier and safer communities—but that wouldn’t address the social and economic conditions causing illness in the first place. So he left health for politics, running for Governor of Michigan and earning the support of progressive champions like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-Cortez and Senator Bernie Sanders. </p>

<p>In Healing Politics, El-Sayed traces the life of a young idealist, weaving together powerful personal stories and fascinating forays into history and science. Marrying his unique perspective with the science of epidemiology, El-Sayed diagnoses an underlying epidemic afflicting our country, an epidemic of insecurity. And to heal the rifts this epidemic has created, he lays out a new direction for the progressive movement. This is a bold, personal, and compellingly original book from a prominent young leader.</p><p>Special Guest: Abdul El-Sayed.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 243: Breaking Bread With The Dead, with Alan Jacobs</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Alan Jacobs. His newest book is "Breaking Bread with the Dead: A Reader's Guide to a More Tranquil Mind." W. H. Auden once wrote that "art is our chief means of breaking bread with the dead." In his brilliant and compulsively readable new treatise, Breaking Bread with the Dead, Alan Jacobs shows us that engaging with the strange and wonderful writings of the past might help us live less anxiously in the present--and increase what Thomas Pynchon once called our "personal density."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alan Jacobs. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Bread-Dead-Readers-Tranquil/dp/1984878409/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1600890885&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Breaking Bread with the Dead: A Reader&#39;s Guide to a More Tranquil Mind</a>. W. H. Auden once wrote that &quot;art is our chief means of breaking bread with the dead.&quot; In his brilliant and compulsively readable new treatise, Breaking Bread with the Dead, Alan Jacobs shows us that engaging with the strange and wonderful writings of the past might help us live less anxiously in the present--and increase what Thomas Pynchon once called our &quot;personal density.&quot;</p>

<p>Today we are battling too much information in a society changing at lightning speed, with algorithms aimed at shaping our every thought--plus a sense that history offers no resources, only impediments to overcome or ignore. The modern solution to our problems is to surround ourselves only with what we know and what brings us instant comfort. Jacobs&#39;s answer is the opposite: to be in conversation with, and challenged by, those from the past who can tell us what we never thought we needed to know.</p>

<p>What can Homer teach us about force? How does Frederick Douglass deal with the massive blind spots of America&#39;s Founding Fathers? And what can we learn from modern authors who engage passionately and profoundly with the past? How can Ursula K. Le Guin show us truths about Virgil&#39;s female characters that Virgil himself could never have seen? In Breaking Bread with the Dead, a gifted scholar draws us into close and sympathetic engagement with texts from across the ages, including the work of Anita Desai, Henrik Ibsen, Jean Rhys, Simone Weil, Edith Wharton, Amitav Ghosh, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Italo Calvino, and many more.</p>

<p>By hearing the voices of the past, we can expand our consciousness, our sympathies, and our wisdom far beyond what our present moment can offer.</p><p>Special Guest: Alan Jacobs.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alan Jacobs. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Bread-Dead-Readers-Tranquil/dp/1984878409/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1600890885&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Breaking Bread with the Dead: A Reader&#39;s Guide to a More Tranquil Mind</a>. W. H. Auden once wrote that &quot;art is our chief means of breaking bread with the dead.&quot; In his brilliant and compulsively readable new treatise, Breaking Bread with the Dead, Alan Jacobs shows us that engaging with the strange and wonderful writings of the past might help us live less anxiously in the present--and increase what Thomas Pynchon once called our &quot;personal density.&quot;</p>

<p>Today we are battling too much information in a society changing at lightning speed, with algorithms aimed at shaping our every thought--plus a sense that history offers no resources, only impediments to overcome or ignore. The modern solution to our problems is to surround ourselves only with what we know and what brings us instant comfort. Jacobs&#39;s answer is the opposite: to be in conversation with, and challenged by, those from the past who can tell us what we never thought we needed to know.</p>

<p>What can Homer teach us about force? How does Frederick Douglass deal with the massive blind spots of America&#39;s Founding Fathers? And what can we learn from modern authors who engage passionately and profoundly with the past? How can Ursula K. Le Guin show us truths about Virgil&#39;s female characters that Virgil himself could never have seen? In Breaking Bread with the Dead, a gifted scholar draws us into close and sympathetic engagement with texts from across the ages, including the work of Anita Desai, Henrik Ibsen, Jean Rhys, Simone Weil, Edith Wharton, Amitav Ghosh, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Italo Calvino, and many more.</p>

<p>By hearing the voices of the past, we can expand our consciousness, our sympathies, and our wisdom far beyond what our present moment can offer.</p><p>Special Guest: Alan Jacobs.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alan Jacobs. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Bread-Dead-Readers-Tranquil/dp/1984878409/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1600890885&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Breaking Bread with the Dead: A Reader&#39;s Guide to a More Tranquil Mind</a>. W. H. Auden once wrote that &quot;art is our chief means of breaking bread with the dead.&quot; In his brilliant and compulsively readable new treatise, Breaking Bread with the Dead, Alan Jacobs shows us that engaging with the strange and wonderful writings of the past might help us live less anxiously in the present--and increase what Thomas Pynchon once called our &quot;personal density.&quot;</p>

<p>Today we are battling too much information in a society changing at lightning speed, with algorithms aimed at shaping our every thought--plus a sense that history offers no resources, only impediments to overcome or ignore. The modern solution to our problems is to surround ourselves only with what we know and what brings us instant comfort. Jacobs&#39;s answer is the opposite: to be in conversation with, and challenged by, those from the past who can tell us what we never thought we needed to know.</p>

<p>What can Homer teach us about force? How does Frederick Douglass deal with the massive blind spots of America&#39;s Founding Fathers? And what can we learn from modern authors who engage passionately and profoundly with the past? How can Ursula K. Le Guin show us truths about Virgil&#39;s female characters that Virgil himself could never have seen? In Breaking Bread with the Dead, a gifted scholar draws us into close and sympathetic engagement with texts from across the ages, including the work of Anita Desai, Henrik Ibsen, Jean Rhys, Simone Weil, Edith Wharton, Amitav Ghosh, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Italo Calvino, and many more.</p>

<p>By hearing the voices of the past, we can expand our consciousness, our sympathies, and our wisdom far beyond what our present moment can offer.</p><p>Special Guest: Alan Jacobs.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 242: Veritas: A Harvard Professor, a Con Man and the Gospel of Jesus's Wife, with Ariel Sabar</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Ariel Sabar. His newest book is "Veritas: A Harvard Professor, a Con Man and the Gospel of Jesus's Wife." In 2012, Dr. Karen King, a star professor at Harvard Divinity School, announced a blockbuster discovery at a scholarly conference just steps from the Vatican: She had found an ancient fragment of papyrus in which Jesus calls Mary Magdalene "my wife." The tattered manuscript made international headlines. If early Christians believed Jesus was married, it would upend the 2,000-year history of the world's predominant faith, threatening not just the celibate, all-male priesthood but sacred teachings on marriage, sex and women's leadership. Biblical scholars were in an uproar, but King had impeccable credentials as a world-renowned authority on female figures in the lost Christian texts from Egypt known as the Gnostic gospels. "The Gospel of Jesus's Wife"--as she provocatively titled her discovery--was both a crowning career achievement and powerful proof for her arguments that Christianity from its start embraced alternative, and far more inclusive, voices.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ariel Sabar. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385542585/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0385542585&linkCode=as2&tag=arisab-20&linkId=9774cdc46b1a1eeccba87f6d0165a07c" rel="nofollow">Veritas: A Harvard Professor, a Con Man and the Gospel of Jesus&#39;s Wife</a>. In 2012, Dr. Karen King, a star professor at Harvard Divinity School, announced a blockbuster discovery at a scholarly conference just steps from the Vatican: She had found an ancient fragment of papyrus in which Jesus calls Mary Magdalene &quot;my wife.&quot; The tattered manuscript made international headlines. If early Christians believed Jesus was married, it would upend the 2,000-year history of the world&#39;s predominant faith, threatening not just the celibate, all-male priesthood but sacred teachings on marriage, sex and women&#39;s leadership. Biblical scholars were in an uproar, but King had impeccable credentials as a world-renowned authority on female figures in the lost Christian texts from Egypt known as the Gnostic gospels. &quot;The Gospel of Jesus&#39;s Wife&quot;--as she provocatively titled her discovery--was both a crowning career achievement and powerful proof for her arguments that Christianity from its start embraced alternative, and far more inclusive, voices.</p>

<p>As debates over the manuscript&#39;s authenticity raged, award-winning journalist Ariel Sabar set out to investigate a baffling mystery: where did this tiny scrap of papyrus come from? His search for answers is an international detective story--leading from the factory districts of Berlin to the former headquarters of the East German Stasi before winding up in rural Florida, where he discovered an internet pornographer with a prophetess wife, a fascination with the Pharaohs and a tortured relationship with the Catholic Church.</p>

<p>VERITAS is a tale of fierce intellectual rivalries at the highest levels of academia, a piercing psychological portrait of a disillusioned college dropout whose life had reached a breaking point, and a tragedy about a brilliant scholar handed a piece of scripture that embodied her greatest hopes for Christianity--but forced a reckoning with fundamental questions about the nature of truth and the line between reason and faith.</p><p>Special Guest: Ariel Sabar.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ariel Sabar. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385542585/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0385542585&linkCode=as2&tag=arisab-20&linkId=9774cdc46b1a1eeccba87f6d0165a07c" rel="nofollow">Veritas: A Harvard Professor, a Con Man and the Gospel of Jesus&#39;s Wife</a>. In 2012, Dr. Karen King, a star professor at Harvard Divinity School, announced a blockbuster discovery at a scholarly conference just steps from the Vatican: She had found an ancient fragment of papyrus in which Jesus calls Mary Magdalene &quot;my wife.&quot; The tattered manuscript made international headlines. If early Christians believed Jesus was married, it would upend the 2,000-year history of the world&#39;s predominant faith, threatening not just the celibate, all-male priesthood but sacred teachings on marriage, sex and women&#39;s leadership. Biblical scholars were in an uproar, but King had impeccable credentials as a world-renowned authority on female figures in the lost Christian texts from Egypt known as the Gnostic gospels. &quot;The Gospel of Jesus&#39;s Wife&quot;--as she provocatively titled her discovery--was both a crowning career achievement and powerful proof for her arguments that Christianity from its start embraced alternative, and far more inclusive, voices.</p>

<p>As debates over the manuscript&#39;s authenticity raged, award-winning journalist Ariel Sabar set out to investigate a baffling mystery: where did this tiny scrap of papyrus come from? His search for answers is an international detective story--leading from the factory districts of Berlin to the former headquarters of the East German Stasi before winding up in rural Florida, where he discovered an internet pornographer with a prophetess wife, a fascination with the Pharaohs and a tortured relationship with the Catholic Church.</p>

<p>VERITAS is a tale of fierce intellectual rivalries at the highest levels of academia, a piercing psychological portrait of a disillusioned college dropout whose life had reached a breaking point, and a tragedy about a brilliant scholar handed a piece of scripture that embodied her greatest hopes for Christianity--but forced a reckoning with fundamental questions about the nature of truth and the line between reason and faith.</p><p>Special Guest: Ariel Sabar.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ariel Sabar. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385542585/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0385542585&linkCode=as2&tag=arisab-20&linkId=9774cdc46b1a1eeccba87f6d0165a07c" rel="nofollow">Veritas: A Harvard Professor, a Con Man and the Gospel of Jesus&#39;s Wife</a>. In 2012, Dr. Karen King, a star professor at Harvard Divinity School, announced a blockbuster discovery at a scholarly conference just steps from the Vatican: She had found an ancient fragment of papyrus in which Jesus calls Mary Magdalene &quot;my wife.&quot; The tattered manuscript made international headlines. If early Christians believed Jesus was married, it would upend the 2,000-year history of the world&#39;s predominant faith, threatening not just the celibate, all-male priesthood but sacred teachings on marriage, sex and women&#39;s leadership. Biblical scholars were in an uproar, but King had impeccable credentials as a world-renowned authority on female figures in the lost Christian texts from Egypt known as the Gnostic gospels. &quot;The Gospel of Jesus&#39;s Wife&quot;--as she provocatively titled her discovery--was both a crowning career achievement and powerful proof for her arguments that Christianity from its start embraced alternative, and far more inclusive, voices.</p>

<p>As debates over the manuscript&#39;s authenticity raged, award-winning journalist Ariel Sabar set out to investigate a baffling mystery: where did this tiny scrap of papyrus come from? His search for answers is an international detective story--leading from the factory districts of Berlin to the former headquarters of the East German Stasi before winding up in rural Florida, where he discovered an internet pornographer with a prophetess wife, a fascination with the Pharaohs and a tortured relationship with the Catholic Church.</p>

<p>VERITAS is a tale of fierce intellectual rivalries at the highest levels of academia, a piercing psychological portrait of a disillusioned college dropout whose life had reached a breaking point, and a tragedy about a brilliant scholar handed a piece of scripture that embodied her greatest hopes for Christianity--but forced a reckoning with fundamental questions about the nature of truth and the line between reason and faith.</p><p>Special Guest: Ariel Sabar.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="http://www.arielsabar.com" role="guest">Ariel Sabar</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 241: Spiritual Directions and Spiritual Direction, with David Norling </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 01:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Norling. He is a California native, an evangelical refugee, and has a deep interest in spirituality, spiritual direction, and human flourishing. We spend time talking about his own spiritual biography and journey. We also talk narrative therapy and spiritual direction. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:30</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Norling. He is a California native, an evangelical refugee, and has a deep interest in spirituality, spiritual direction, and human flourishing. We spend time talking about his own spiritual biography and journey. We also talk narrative therapy and spiritual direction. </p><p>Special Guest: David Norling .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Norling. He is a California native, an evangelical refugee, and has a deep interest in spirituality, spiritual direction, and human flourishing. We spend time talking about his own spiritual biography and journey. We also talk narrative therapy and spiritual direction. </p><p>Special Guest: David Norling .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 240: You're a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass), with Mike McHargue </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2020 23:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Mike McHargue. His newest book is "You're a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass)." Why is there such a gap between what you want to do and what you actually do? The host of Ask Science Mike explains why our desires and our real lives are so wildly different—and what you can do to close the gap, in this his newest book. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:03:06</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mike McHargue. His newest book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Miracle-Pain-Ass-Understanding/dp/1984823248" rel="nofollow"> You&#39;re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass)</a>. Why is there such a gap between what you want to do and what you actually do? The host of Ask Science Mike explains why our desires and our real lives are so wildly different—and what you can do to close the gap, in this his newest book. </p>

<p>For thousands of years, scientists, philosophers, and self-help gurus have wrestled with one of the basic conundrums of human life: Why do we do the things we do? Or, rather, why do we so often not do the things we want to do? As a podcast host whose voice goes out to millions each month, Mike McHargue gets countless emails from people seeking to understand their own misbehavior—why we binge on Netflix when we know taking a walk outside would be better for us, or why we argue politics on Facebook when our real friends live just down the street. Everyone wants to be a good person, but few of us, twenty years into the new millennium, have any idea how to do that.</p>

<p>In You’re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass), McHargue addresses these issues. We like to think we’re in control of our thoughts and decisions, he writes, but science has shown that a host of competing impulses, emotions, and environmental factors are at play in every action we undertake. Touching on his podcast listeners’ most pressing questions, from relationships and ethics to stress and mental health, and sharing some of the biggest triumphs and hardships from his own life, McHargue shows us how some of our qualities that seem most frustrating—including “negative” emotions like sadness, anger, and anxiety—are actually key to helping humans survive and thrive. In doing so, he invites us on a path of self-understanding and, ultimately, self-acceptance.</p>

<p>You’re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass) is a guided tour through the mystery of human consciousness, showing readers how to live more at peace with themselves in a complex world.</p><p>Special Guest: Mike McHargue.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mike McHargue. His newest book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Miracle-Pain-Ass-Understanding/dp/1984823248" rel="nofollow"> You&#39;re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass)</a>. Why is there such a gap between what you want to do and what you actually do? The host of Ask Science Mike explains why our desires and our real lives are so wildly different—and what you can do to close the gap, in this his newest book. </p>

<p>For thousands of years, scientists, philosophers, and self-help gurus have wrestled with one of the basic conundrums of human life: Why do we do the things we do? Or, rather, why do we so often not do the things we want to do? As a podcast host whose voice goes out to millions each month, Mike McHargue gets countless emails from people seeking to understand their own misbehavior—why we binge on Netflix when we know taking a walk outside would be better for us, or why we argue politics on Facebook when our real friends live just down the street. Everyone wants to be a good person, but few of us, twenty years into the new millennium, have any idea how to do that.</p>

<p>In You’re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass), McHargue addresses these issues. We like to think we’re in control of our thoughts and decisions, he writes, but science has shown that a host of competing impulses, emotions, and environmental factors are at play in every action we undertake. Touching on his podcast listeners’ most pressing questions, from relationships and ethics to stress and mental health, and sharing some of the biggest triumphs and hardships from his own life, McHargue shows us how some of our qualities that seem most frustrating—including “negative” emotions like sadness, anger, and anxiety—are actually key to helping humans survive and thrive. In doing so, he invites us on a path of self-understanding and, ultimately, self-acceptance.</p>

<p>You’re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass) is a guided tour through the mystery of human consciousness, showing readers how to live more at peace with themselves in a complex world.</p><p>Special Guest: Mike McHargue.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mike McHargue. His newest book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Miracle-Pain-Ass-Understanding/dp/1984823248" rel="nofollow"> You&#39;re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass)</a>. Why is there such a gap between what you want to do and what you actually do? The host of Ask Science Mike explains why our desires and our real lives are so wildly different—and what you can do to close the gap, in this his newest book. </p>

<p>For thousands of years, scientists, philosophers, and self-help gurus have wrestled with one of the basic conundrums of human life: Why do we do the things we do? Or, rather, why do we so often not do the things we want to do? As a podcast host whose voice goes out to millions each month, Mike McHargue gets countless emails from people seeking to understand their own misbehavior—why we binge on Netflix when we know taking a walk outside would be better for us, or why we argue politics on Facebook when our real friends live just down the street. Everyone wants to be a good person, but few of us, twenty years into the new millennium, have any idea how to do that.</p>

<p>In You’re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass), McHargue addresses these issues. We like to think we’re in control of our thoughts and decisions, he writes, but science has shown that a host of competing impulses, emotions, and environmental factors are at play in every action we undertake. Touching on his podcast listeners’ most pressing questions, from relationships and ethics to stress and mental health, and sharing some of the biggest triumphs and hardships from his own life, McHargue shows us how some of our qualities that seem most frustrating—including “negative” emotions like sadness, anger, and anxiety—are actually key to helping humans survive and thrive. In doing so, he invites us on a path of self-understanding and, ultimately, self-acceptance.</p>

<p>You’re a Miracle (and a Pain in the Ass) is a guided tour through the mystery of human consciousness, showing readers how to live more at peace with themselves in a complex world.</p><p>Special Guest: Mike McHargue.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 239: The Campaign of Miner Bo, with Todd Drezner </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2020 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Todd Drezner. His newest film is "The Campaign of Miner Bo." It’s probably safe to say that Bo Copley never expected to run for U.S. Senate. A lifelong resident of Mingo County, West Virginia, Copley worked in the coal industry for 11 years until he was laid off on September 18, 2015...In May of 2016, Copley was invited to join a roundtable discussion with Hillary Clinton, who was campaigning in West Virginia before the state’s presidential primary. Copley, his voice breaking, showed Clinton a picture of his three children and challenged her assertion that she was a friend to coal miners. Copley’s raw emotion broke through the usual campaign chatter, and throughout the campaign, he was a regular on cable news...Copley tried to take advantage of his surprise political celebrity by running for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2018.  But without money, experience, or a traditional campaign infrastructure, he quickly discovered that being a politician is harder than it looks.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>33:42</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd Drezner. His newest film is <em><a href="https://www.minerbofilm.com" rel="nofollow">The Campaign of Miner Bo</a></em>. It’s probably safe to say that Bo Copley never expected to run for U.S. Senate. A lifelong resident of Mingo County, West Virginia, Copley worked in the coal industry for 11 years until he was laid off on September 18, 2015.</p>

<p>In May of 2016, Copley was invited to join a roundtable discussion with Hillary Clinton, who was campaigning in West Virginia before the state’s presidential primary. Copley, his voice breaking, showed Clinton a picture of his three children and challenged her assertion that she was a friend to coal miners. Copley’s raw emotion broke through the usual campaign chatter, and throughout the campaign, he was a regular on cable news.</p>

<p>Copley tried to take advantage of his surprise political celebrity by running for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2018.  But without money, experience, or a traditional campaign infrastructure, he quickly discovered that being a politician is harder than it looks.</p>

<p>The <em>Campaign of Miner Bo</em> documents that fight and shows how this most unlikely political campaign changed its most unlikely candidate.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd Drezner.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd Drezner. His newest film is <em><a href="https://www.minerbofilm.com" rel="nofollow">The Campaign of Miner Bo</a></em>. It’s probably safe to say that Bo Copley never expected to run for U.S. Senate. A lifelong resident of Mingo County, West Virginia, Copley worked in the coal industry for 11 years until he was laid off on September 18, 2015.</p>

<p>In May of 2016, Copley was invited to join a roundtable discussion with Hillary Clinton, who was campaigning in West Virginia before the state’s presidential primary. Copley, his voice breaking, showed Clinton a picture of his three children and challenged her assertion that she was a friend to coal miners. Copley’s raw emotion broke through the usual campaign chatter, and throughout the campaign, he was a regular on cable news.</p>

<p>Copley tried to take advantage of his surprise political celebrity by running for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2018.  But without money, experience, or a traditional campaign infrastructure, he quickly discovered that being a politician is harder than it looks.</p>

<p>The <em>Campaign of Miner Bo</em> documents that fight and shows how this most unlikely political campaign changed its most unlikely candidate.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd Drezner.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Todd Drezner. His newest film is <em><a href="https://www.minerbofilm.com" rel="nofollow">The Campaign of Miner Bo</a></em>. It’s probably safe to say that Bo Copley never expected to run for U.S. Senate. A lifelong resident of Mingo County, West Virginia, Copley worked in the coal industry for 11 years until he was laid off on September 18, 2015.</p>

<p>In May of 2016, Copley was invited to join a roundtable discussion with Hillary Clinton, who was campaigning in West Virginia before the state’s presidential primary. Copley, his voice breaking, showed Clinton a picture of his three children and challenged her assertion that she was a friend to coal miners. Copley’s raw emotion broke through the usual campaign chatter, and throughout the campaign, he was a regular on cable news.</p>

<p>Copley tried to take advantage of his surprise political celebrity by running for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2018.  But without money, experience, or a traditional campaign infrastructure, he quickly discovered that being a politician is harder than it looks.</p>

<p>The <em>Campaign of Miner Bo</em> documents that fight and shows how this most unlikely political campaign changed its most unlikely candidate.</p><p>Special Guest: Todd Drezner.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 238: Break It Up, with Richard Kreitner </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2020 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Richard Kreitner. His new book is "Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America's Imperfect Union."  The novel and fiery thesis of Break It Up is simple: The United States has never lived up to its name—and never will. The disunionist impulse may have found its greatest expression in the Civil War, but as Break It Up shows, the seduction of secession wasn’t limited to the South or the nineteenth century. It was there at our founding and has never gone away.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Richard Kreitner. His new book is Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America&#39;s Imperfect Union. The novel and fiery thesis of Break It Up is simple: The United States has never lived up to its name—and never will. The disunionist impulse may have found its greatest expression in the Civil War, but as Break It Up shows, the seduction of secession wasn’t limited to the South or the nineteenth century. It was there at our founding and has never gone away.</p>

<p>With a scholar’s command and a journalist’s curiosity, Richard Kreitner takes readers on a revolutionary journey through American history, revealing the power and persistence of disunion movements in every era and region. Each New England town after Plymouth was a secession from another; the thirteen colonies viewed their Union as a means to the end of securing independence, not an end in itself; George Washington feared separatism west of the Alleghenies; Aaron Burr schemed to set up a new empire; John Quincy Adams brought a Massachusetts town’s petition for dissolving the United States to the floor of Congress; and abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison denounced the Constitution as a pro-slavery pact with the devil.</p>

<p>From the “cold civil war” that pits partisans against one another to the modern secession movements in California and Texas, the divisions that threaten to tear America apart today have centuries-old roots in the earliest days of our Republic. Richly researched and persuasively argued, Break It Up will help readers make fresh sense of our fractured age.</p><p>Special Guest: Richard Kreitner .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Richard Kreitner. His new book is Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America&#39;s Imperfect Union. The novel and fiery thesis of Break It Up is simple: The United States has never lived up to its name—and never will. The disunionist impulse may have found its greatest expression in the Civil War, but as Break It Up shows, the seduction of secession wasn’t limited to the South or the nineteenth century. It was there at our founding and has never gone away.</p>

<p>With a scholar’s command and a journalist’s curiosity, Richard Kreitner takes readers on a revolutionary journey through American history, revealing the power and persistence of disunion movements in every era and region. Each New England town after Plymouth was a secession from another; the thirteen colonies viewed their Union as a means to the end of securing independence, not an end in itself; George Washington feared separatism west of the Alleghenies; Aaron Burr schemed to set up a new empire; John Quincy Adams brought a Massachusetts town’s petition for dissolving the United States to the floor of Congress; and abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison denounced the Constitution as a pro-slavery pact with the devil.</p>

<p>From the “cold civil war” that pits partisans against one another to the modern secession movements in California and Texas, the divisions that threaten to tear America apart today have centuries-old roots in the earliest days of our Republic. Richly researched and persuasively argued, Break It Up will help readers make fresh sense of our fractured age.</p><p>Special Guest: Richard Kreitner .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Richard Kreitner. His new book is Break It Up: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America&#39;s Imperfect Union. The novel and fiery thesis of Break It Up is simple: The United States has never lived up to its name—and never will. The disunionist impulse may have found its greatest expression in the Civil War, but as Break It Up shows, the seduction of secession wasn’t limited to the South or the nineteenth century. It was there at our founding and has never gone away.</p>

<p>With a scholar’s command and a journalist’s curiosity, Richard Kreitner takes readers on a revolutionary journey through American history, revealing the power and persistence of disunion movements in every era and region. Each New England town after Plymouth was a secession from another; the thirteen colonies viewed their Union as a means to the end of securing independence, not an end in itself; George Washington feared separatism west of the Alleghenies; Aaron Burr schemed to set up a new empire; John Quincy Adams brought a Massachusetts town’s petition for dissolving the United States to the floor of Congress; and abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison denounced the Constitution as a pro-slavery pact with the devil.</p>

<p>From the “cold civil war” that pits partisans against one another to the modern secession movements in California and Texas, the divisions that threaten to tear America apart today have centuries-old roots in the earliest days of our Republic. Richly researched and persuasively argued, Break It Up will help readers make fresh sense of our fractured age.</p><p>Special Guest: Richard Kreitner .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 237: Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump Revisited, with David Shields</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2020 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Shields. He's the author of numerous books including "Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention." It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News? 

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      <itunes:duration>1:34:03</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. He&#39;s the author of numerous books including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention</a>. It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News? </p>

<p>David returns to the show to revisit his book in light of the Corona pandemic. </p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. He&#39;s the author of numerous books including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention</a>. It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News? </p>

<p>David returns to the show to revisit his book in light of the Corona pandemic. </p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. He&#39;s the author of numerous books including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention</a>. It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News? </p>

<p>David returns to the show to revisit his book in light of the Corona pandemic. </p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 236: Leave It As It Is, with David Gessner </title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2020 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Gessner. His newest book is "Leave It As It Is: A Journey Through Theodore Roosevelt's American Wilderness." “Leave it as it is,” Theodore Roosevelt announced while viewing the Grand Canyon for the first time. “The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.” Roosevelt’s rallying cry signaled the beginning of an environmental fight that still wages today. To reconnect with the American wilderness and with the president who courageously protected it, acclaimed nature writer and New York Times bestselling author David Gessner embarks on a great American road trip guided by Roosevelt’s crusading environmental legacy.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>44:02</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Gessner. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leave-As-Theodore-Roosevelts-Wilderness/dp/1982105046" rel="nofollow">Leave It As It Is: A Journey Through Theodore Roosevelt&#39;s American Wilderness</a>. “Leave it as it is,” Theodore Roosevelt announced while viewing the Grand Canyon for the first time. “The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.” Roosevelt’s rallying cry signaled the beginning of an environmental fight that still wages today. To reconnect with the American wilderness and with the president who courageously protected it, acclaimed nature writer and New York Times bestselling author David Gessner embarks on a great American road trip guided by Roosevelt’s crusading environmental legacy.</p>

<p>Gessner travels to the Dakota badlands where Roosevelt awakened as a naturalist; to Yellowstone, Yosemite and the Grand Canyon where Roosevelt escaped during the grind of his reelection tour; and finally, to Bears Ears, Utah, a monument proposed by Native Tribes that is embroiled in a national conservation fight. Along the way, Gessner questions and reimagines Roosevelt’s vision for today.</p>

<p>As Gessner journeys through the grandeur of our public lands, he tells the story of Roosevelt’s life as a pioneering conservationist, offering an arresting history, a powerful call to arms, and a profound meditation on our environmental future.</p><p>Special Guest: David Gessner .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Gessner. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leave-As-Theodore-Roosevelts-Wilderness/dp/1982105046" rel="nofollow">Leave It As It Is: A Journey Through Theodore Roosevelt&#39;s American Wilderness</a>. “Leave it as it is,” Theodore Roosevelt announced while viewing the Grand Canyon for the first time. “The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.” Roosevelt’s rallying cry signaled the beginning of an environmental fight that still wages today. To reconnect with the American wilderness and with the president who courageously protected it, acclaimed nature writer and New York Times bestselling author David Gessner embarks on a great American road trip guided by Roosevelt’s crusading environmental legacy.</p>

<p>Gessner travels to the Dakota badlands where Roosevelt awakened as a naturalist; to Yellowstone, Yosemite and the Grand Canyon where Roosevelt escaped during the grind of his reelection tour; and finally, to Bears Ears, Utah, a monument proposed by Native Tribes that is embroiled in a national conservation fight. Along the way, Gessner questions and reimagines Roosevelt’s vision for today.</p>

<p>As Gessner journeys through the grandeur of our public lands, he tells the story of Roosevelt’s life as a pioneering conservationist, offering an arresting history, a powerful call to arms, and a profound meditation on our environmental future.</p><p>Special Guest: David Gessner .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Gessner. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leave-As-Theodore-Roosevelts-Wilderness/dp/1982105046" rel="nofollow">Leave It As It Is: A Journey Through Theodore Roosevelt&#39;s American Wilderness</a>. “Leave it as it is,” Theodore Roosevelt announced while viewing the Grand Canyon for the first time. “The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.” Roosevelt’s rallying cry signaled the beginning of an environmental fight that still wages today. To reconnect with the American wilderness and with the president who courageously protected it, acclaimed nature writer and New York Times bestselling author David Gessner embarks on a great American road trip guided by Roosevelt’s crusading environmental legacy.</p>

<p>Gessner travels to the Dakota badlands where Roosevelt awakened as a naturalist; to Yellowstone, Yosemite and the Grand Canyon where Roosevelt escaped during the grind of his reelection tour; and finally, to Bears Ears, Utah, a monument proposed by Native Tribes that is embroiled in a national conservation fight. Along the way, Gessner questions and reimagines Roosevelt’s vision for today.</p>

<p>As Gessner journeys through the grandeur of our public lands, he tells the story of Roosevelt’s life as a pioneering conservationist, offering an arresting history, a powerful call to arms, and a profound meditation on our environmental future.</p><p>Special Guest: David Gessner .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 235: How to Watch Porn, with Alice Vaughn </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Alice Vaughn. She's the co-host of "Two Girls One Mic: The Porncast." They review the holes and plot holes of your favorite porn. She also founded Offensive Crayons, a wildly successful company... https://www.offensivecrayons.com. We talk porn, politics, psychology and the pandemic's effect on the porn industry and the wider culture. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>59:24</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alice Vaughn. She&#39;s the co-host of <a href="https://www.twogirlsonemic.com//" rel="nofollow">Two Girls One Mic: The Porncast</a>. They review the holes and plot holes of your favorite porn. She also founded Offensive Crayons, a wildly successful company... <a href="https://www.offensivecrayons.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.offensivecrayons.com</a>. We talk porn, politics, psychology and the pandemic&#39;s effect on the porn industry and the wider culture. </p><p>Special Guest: Alice Vaughn .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alice Vaughn. She&#39;s the co-host of <a href="https://www.twogirlsonemic.com//" rel="nofollow">Two Girls One Mic: The Porncast</a>. They review the holes and plot holes of your favorite porn. She also founded Offensive Crayons, a wildly successful company... <a href="https://www.offensivecrayons.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.offensivecrayons.com</a>. We talk porn, politics, psychology and the pandemic&#39;s effect on the porn industry and the wider culture. </p><p>Special Guest: Alice Vaughn .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alice Vaughn. She&#39;s the co-host of <a href="https://www.twogirlsonemic.com//" rel="nofollow">Two Girls One Mic: The Porncast</a>. They review the holes and plot holes of your favorite porn. She also founded Offensive Crayons, a wildly successful company... <a href="https://www.offensivecrayons.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.offensivecrayons.com</a>. We talk porn, politics, psychology and the pandemic&#39;s effect on the porn industry and the wider culture. </p><p>Special Guest: Alice Vaughn .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 234: The Character Gap, with Christian Miller </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2020 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Christian Miller. Have you ever wondered if you're a good person? Have you asked how you good be a better one? Do your moral failings bug you? Christian Miller has spent his whole life studying these questions. He's a moral philosopher and the author of "The Character Gap." If you are thinking about what it means to live the good life than this is the episode for you.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>44:16</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Christian Miller. Have you ever wondered if you&#39;re a good person? Have you asked how you good be a better one? Do your moral failings bug you? Christian Miller has spent his whole life studying these questions. He&#39;s a moral philosopher and the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Gap-Good-Philosophy-Action/dp/0190264225" rel="nofollow">The Character Gap</a>. If you are thinking about what it means to live the good life than this is the episode for you.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Christian Miller. Have you ever wondered if you&#39;re a good person? Have you asked how you good be a better one? Do your moral failings bug you? Christian Miller has spent his whole life studying these questions. He&#39;s a moral philosopher and the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Gap-Good-Philosophy-Action/dp/0190264225" rel="nofollow">The Character Gap</a>. If you are thinking about what it means to live the good life than this is the episode for you.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Christian Miller. Have you ever wondered if you&#39;re a good person? Have you asked how you good be a better one? Do your moral failings bug you? Christian Miller has spent his whole life studying these questions. He&#39;s a moral philosopher and the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Gap-Good-Philosophy-Action/dp/0190264225" rel="nofollow">The Character Gap</a>. If you are thinking about what it means to live the good life than this is the episode for you.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 232: Grandstanding: The Use and Abuse of Moral Talk, with Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke. Their new book is "Grandstanding: The Use and Abuse of Moral Talk." We are all guilty of it. We call people terrible names in conversation or online. We vilify those with whom we disagree, and make bolder claims than we could defend. We want to be seen as taking the moral high ground not just to make a point, or move a debate forward, but to look a certain way--incensed, or compassionate, or committed to a cause. We exaggerate. In other words, we grandstand. 
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke. Their new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Grandstanding-Use-Abuse-Moral-Talk/dp/0190900156" rel="nofollow">Grandstanding: The Use and Abuse of Moral Talk</a>. We are all guilty of it. We call people terrible names in conversation or online. We vilify those with whom we disagree, and make bolder claims than we could defend. We want to be seen as taking the moral high ground not just to make a point, or move a debate forward, but to look a certain way--incensed, or compassionate, or committed to a cause. We exaggerate. In other words, we grandstand. </p>

<p>Nowhere is this more evident than in public discourse today, and especially as it plays out across the internet. To philosophers Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke, who have written extensively about moral grandstanding, such one-upmanship is not just annoying, but dangerous. As politics gets more and more polarized, people on both sides of the spectrum move further and further apart when they let grandstanding get in the way of engaging one another. The pollution of our most urgent conversations with self-interest damages the very causes they are meant to forward. </p>

<p>Drawing from work in psychology, economics, and political science, and along with contemporary examples spanning the political spectrum, the authors dive deeply into why and how we grandstand. Using the analytic tools of psychology and moral philosophy, they explain what drives us to behave in this way, and what we stand to lose by taking it too far. Most importantly, they show how, by avoiding grandstanding, we can re-build a public square worth participating in.</p><p>Special Guests: Brandon Warmke and Justin Tosi .</p>]]>
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<p>Nowhere is this more evident than in public discourse today, and especially as it plays out across the internet. To philosophers Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke, who have written extensively about moral grandstanding, such one-upmanship is not just annoying, but dangerous. As politics gets more and more polarized, people on both sides of the spectrum move further and further apart when they let grandstanding get in the way of engaging one another. The pollution of our most urgent conversations with self-interest damages the very causes they are meant to forward. </p>

<p>Drawing from work in psychology, economics, and political science, and along with contemporary examples spanning the political spectrum, the authors dive deeply into why and how we grandstand. Using the analytic tools of psychology and moral philosophy, they explain what drives us to behave in this way, and what we stand to lose by taking it too far. Most importantly, they show how, by avoiding grandstanding, we can re-build a public square worth participating in.</p><p>Special Guests: Brandon Warmke and Justin Tosi .</p>]]>
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<p>Nowhere is this more evident than in public discourse today, and especially as it plays out across the internet. To philosophers Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke, who have written extensively about moral grandstanding, such one-upmanship is not just annoying, but dangerous. As politics gets more and more polarized, people on both sides of the spectrum move further and further apart when they let grandstanding get in the way of engaging one another. The pollution of our most urgent conversations with self-interest damages the very causes they are meant to forward. </p>

<p>Drawing from work in psychology, economics, and political science, and along with contemporary examples spanning the political spectrum, the authors dive deeply into why and how we grandstand. Using the analytic tools of psychology and moral philosophy, they explain what drives us to behave in this way, and what we stand to lose by taking it too far. Most importantly, they show how, by avoiding grandstanding, we can re-build a public square worth participating in.</p><p>Special Guests: Brandon Warmke and Justin Tosi .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 231: In Good Faith: Questioning Religion and Atheism, with Scott Shay</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Scott Shay. Scott's second book, "In Good Faith: Questioning Religion and Atheism,"  has been recognized as one of the best books of 2018 by Mosaic Authors and earned a finalist award from National Jewish Books. Scott gives talks around the country and is interviewed on TV, radio, and podcasts many times throughout the year. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scott Shay. Scott&#39;s second book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Good-Faith-Questioning-Religion-Atheism/dp/1682617920" rel="nofollow">In Good Faith: Questioning Religion and Atheism</a>, has been recognized as one of the best books of 2018 by Mosaic Authors and earned a finalist award from National Jewish Books. Scott gives talks around the country and is interviewed on TV, radio, and podcasts many times throughout the year. </p><p>Special Guest: Scott Shay.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 230: Corona Means Kissing Sports Goodbye...For Now, with Bradley Klein </title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2020 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Bradley Klein. He's a political scientist turned renowned sports writer and golf consultant. We talk about a piece he recently wrote about the future of sports in the age of Corona. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>You can read Brad&#39;s piece here: <a href="https://kleincoronadiary.com/2020/06/20/arena/" rel="nofollow">https://kleincoronadiary.com/2020/06/20/arena/</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Bradley S. Klein .</p>]]>
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<p>You can read Brad&#39;s piece here: <a href="https://kleincoronadiary.com/2020/06/20/arena/" rel="nofollow">https://kleincoronadiary.com/2020/06/20/arena/</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Bradley S. Klein .</p>]]>
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<p>You can read Brad&#39;s piece here: <a href="https://kleincoronadiary.com/2020/06/20/arena/" rel="nofollow">https://kleincoronadiary.com/2020/06/20/arena/</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Bradley S. Klein .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 229: Taking Children, with Laura Briggs</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Laura Briggs. Her new book is Taking Children: A History of American Terror. In these unprecedented times, one thing remains true--those who wish to enact racist and discriminatory practices will find a way to do so, often taking advantage of crises to make horrific changes more swiftly. As Laura Briggs shows in TAKING CHILDREN, America has a long history of using racist policies to disband and explicitly harm families of color. From forcing Native American children into schools built to pacify them, to the current administration's use of child separation as a deterrent to immigrate here -- separating children from their families has been a tool used by the government for centuries. Laura Briggs urges readers not to turn a blind eye, but rise to the occasion to fight to change it. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Briggs. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Children-History-American-Terror/dp/0520343670" rel="nofollow">Taking Children: A History of American Terror</a>. In these unprecedented times, one thing remains true--those who wish to enact racist and discriminatory practices will find a way to do so, often taking advantage of crises to make horrific changes more swiftly. As Laura Briggs shows in TAKING CHILDREN, America has a long history of using racist policies to disband and explicitly harm families of color. From forcing Native American children into schools built to pacify them, to the current administration&#39;s use of child separation as a deterrent to immigrate here -- separating children from their families has been a tool used by the government for centuries. Laura Briggs urges readers not to turn a blind eye, but rise to the occasion to fight to change it. </p><p>Special Guest: Laura Briggs.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Briggs. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Taking-Children-History-American-Terror/dp/0520343670" rel="nofollow">Taking Children: A History of American Terror</a>. In these unprecedented times, one thing remains true--those who wish to enact racist and discriminatory practices will find a way to do so, often taking advantage of crises to make horrific changes more swiftly. As Laura Briggs shows in TAKING CHILDREN, America has a long history of using racist policies to disband and explicitly harm families of color. From forcing Native American children into schools built to pacify them, to the current administration&#39;s use of child separation as a deterrent to immigrate here -- separating children from their families has been a tool used by the government for centuries. Laura Briggs urges readers not to turn a blind eye, but rise to the occasion to fight to change it. </p><p>Special Guest: Laura Briggs.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 228: The Way Up Is Down, with Marlena Graves </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2020 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Marlena Graves. Her newest book is "The Way Down Is Up." "Now, with God's help, I shall become myself." These words from Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard resonate deeply with Marlena Graves, a Puerto Rican writer, professor, and activist. In these pages she describes the process of emptying herself that allows her to move upward toward God and become the true self that God calls her to. Drawing on the rich traditions of Eastern and Western Christian saints, she shares stories and insights that have enlivened her transformation. For Marlena, formation and justice always intertwine on the path to a balanced life of both action and contemplation. If you long for more of God, this book offers a time-honored path to deeper life.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marlena Graves. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Way-Up-Down-Becoming-Forgetting/dp/0830846743" rel="nofollow">The Way Down Is Up</a>. &quot;Now, with God&#39;s help, I shall become myself.&quot; These words from Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard resonate deeply with Marlena Graves, a Puerto Rican writer, professor, and activist. In these pages she describes the process of emptying herself that allows her to move upward toward God and become the true self that God calls her to. Drawing on the rich traditions of Eastern and Western Christian saints, she shares stories and insights that have enlivened her transformation. For Marlena, formation and justice always intertwine on the path to a balanced life of both action and contemplation. If you long for more of God, this book offers a time-honored path to deeper life.</p><p>Special Guest: Marlena Graves.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 227: Lost In Thought, with Zena Hitz</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2020 00:15:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Zena Hitz. She's the author of "The Intellectual Life." In an overloaded, superficial, technological world, in which almost everything and everybody is judged by its usefulness, where can we turn for escape, lasting pleasure, contemplation, or connection to others? While many forms of leisure meet these needs, Zena Hitz writes, few experiences are so fulfilling as the inner life, whether that of a bookworm, an amateur astronomer, a birdwatcher, or someone who takes a deep interest in one of countless other subjects. Drawing on inspiring examples, from Socrates and Augustine to Malcolm X and Elena Ferrante, and from films to Hitz’s own experiences as someone who walked away from elite university life in search of greater fulfillment, "Lost in Thought" is a passionate and timely reminder that a rich life is a life rich in thought.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Zena Hitz. She&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Thought-Hidden-Pleasures-Intellectual/dp/0691178712" rel="nofollow">The Intellectual Life</a>. In an overloaded, superficial, technological world, in which almost everything and everybody is judged by its usefulness, where can we turn for escape, lasting pleasure, contemplation, or connection to others? While many forms of leisure meet these needs, Zena Hitz writes, few experiences are so fulfilling as the inner life, whether that of a bookworm, an amateur astronomer, a birdwatcher, or someone who takes a deep interest in one of countless other subjects. Drawing on inspiring examples, from Socrates and Augustine to Malcolm X and Elena Ferrante, and from films to Hitz’s own experiences as someone who walked away from elite university life in search of greater fulfillment, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Thought-Hidden-Pleasures-Intellectual/dp/0691178712" rel="nofollow">Lost in Thought</a> is a passionate and timely reminder that a rich life is a life rich in thought.</p>

<p>Today, when even the humanities are often defended only for their economic or political usefulness, Hitz says our intellectual lives are valuable not despite but because of their practical uselessness. And while anyone can have an intellectual life, she encourages academics in particular to get back in touch with the desire to learn for its own sake, and calls on universities to return to the person-to-person transmission of the habits of mind and heart that bring out the best in us.</p><p>Special Guest: Zena Hitz .</p>]]>
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<p>Today, when even the humanities are often defended only for their economic or political usefulness, Hitz says our intellectual lives are valuable not despite but because of their practical uselessness. And while anyone can have an intellectual life, she encourages academics in particular to get back in touch with the desire to learn for its own sake, and calls on universities to return to the person-to-person transmission of the habits of mind and heart that bring out the best in us.</p><p>Special Guest: Zena Hitz .</p>]]>
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<p>Today, when even the humanities are often defended only for their economic or political usefulness, Hitz says our intellectual lives are valuable not despite but because of their practical uselessness. And while anyone can have an intellectual life, she encourages academics in particular to get back in touch with the desire to learn for its own sake, and calls on universities to return to the person-to-person transmission of the habits of mind and heart that bring out the best in us.</p><p>Special Guest: Zena Hitz .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 226: Monetizing Your Podcast, with Satish Gaire </title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2020 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Satish Gaire. Satish has also started many companies to help businesses. This includes DirectPay, WooAgents, myDentalWebsite, BookSmartr and many more.
Satish’s mission is to help humanity by spreading the knowledge that he has gained from his many years of doing internet marketing and running his own business. He wants to help others to achieve the same level of success. His ultimate goal is to put a smile on your face, through his podcasts, videos, speeches and courses.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>22:46</itunes:duration>
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Satish’s mission is to help humanity by spreading the knowledge that he has gained from his many years of doing internet marketing and running his own business. He wants to help others to achieve the same level of success. His ultimate goal is to put a smile on your face, through his podcasts, videos, speeches and courses.</p><p>Special Guest: Satish Gaire.</p>]]>
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Satish’s mission is to help humanity by spreading the knowledge that he has gained from his many years of doing internet marketing and running his own business. He wants to help others to achieve the same level of success. His ultimate goal is to put a smile on your face, through his podcasts, videos, speeches and courses.</p><p>Special Guest: Satish Gaire.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Satish Gaire. Satish has also started many companies to help businesses. This includes DirectPay, WooAgents, myDentalWebsite, BookSmartr and many more.<br>
Satish’s mission is to help humanity by spreading the knowledge that he has gained from his many years of doing internet marketing and running his own business. He wants to help others to achieve the same level of success. His ultimate goal is to put a smile on your face, through his podcasts, videos, speeches and courses.</p><p>Special Guest: Satish Gaire.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 225: Not Forsaken, with Jennifer Michelle Greenberg</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jennifer Michelle Greenberg. She's the author of "Not Forsaken." Jenn Greenberg was abused by her church-going father. Yet she is still a Christian. In this courageous, compelling book, she reflects on how God brought life and hope in the darkest of situations. Jenn shows how the gospel enables survivors to navigate issues of guilt, forgiveness, love, and value. And she challenges church leaders to protect the vulnerable among their congregations. "Not Forsaken" is not an easy read. But, perhaps today more than ever, it is a must-read.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Michelle Greenberg. She&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Not-Forsaken-Jennifer-Michelle-Greenberg/dp/1784984388/" rel="nofollow">Not Forsaken</a>. Jenn Greenberg was abused by her church-going father. Yet she is still a Christian. In this courageous, compelling book, she reflects on how God brought life and hope in the darkest of situations. Jenn shows how the gospel enables survivors to navigate issues of guilt, forgiveness, love, and value. And she challenges church leaders to protect the vulnerable among their congregations.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Not-Forsaken-Jennifer-Michelle-Greenberg/dp/1784984388/" rel="nofollow"> Not Forsaken</a> is not an easy read. But, perhaps today more than ever, it is a must-read.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Michelle Greenberg .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Michelle Greenberg. She&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Not-Forsaken-Jennifer-Michelle-Greenberg/dp/1784984388/" rel="nofollow">Not Forsaken</a>. Jenn Greenberg was abused by her church-going father. Yet she is still a Christian. In this courageous, compelling book, she reflects on how God brought life and hope in the darkest of situations. Jenn shows how the gospel enables survivors to navigate issues of guilt, forgiveness, love, and value. And she challenges church leaders to protect the vulnerable among their congregations.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Not-Forsaken-Jennifer-Michelle-Greenberg/dp/1784984388/" rel="nofollow"> Not Forsaken</a> is not an easy read. But, perhaps today more than ever, it is a must-read.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Michelle Greenberg .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Michelle Greenberg. She&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Not-Forsaken-Jennifer-Michelle-Greenberg/dp/1784984388/" rel="nofollow">Not Forsaken</a>. Jenn Greenberg was abused by her church-going father. Yet she is still a Christian. In this courageous, compelling book, she reflects on how God brought life and hope in the darkest of situations. Jenn shows how the gospel enables survivors to navigate issues of guilt, forgiveness, love, and value. And she challenges church leaders to protect the vulnerable among their congregations.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Not-Forsaken-Jennifer-Michelle-Greenberg/dp/1784984388/" rel="nofollow"> Not Forsaken</a> is not an easy read. But, perhaps today more than ever, it is a must-read.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Michelle Greenberg .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 224: The Economics of Health Care in the midst of a Pandemic, with Jordan Al-Zu’Bi</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2020 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jordan Al-Zu’Bi. He's an economist who focuses on the health insurance industry. We talk about the health insurance industry and how the pandemic will impact it. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 223: Pre and Post President Trump, with Bradley S. Klein and David Shields </title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2020 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are Bradley S. Klein and David Shields. Klein has played golf with Trump, written about him as a sports journalist and consulted on his golf courses. David Shields has written one of the most provocative and revealing books about Trump, Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump. If you're looking for an interesting Trump conversation in the midst of Corona, this is it. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 222: Tanking To The Top, with Yaron Weitzman</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2020 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Yaron Weitzman. He's the author of "Tanking to the Top: The Philadelphia 76ers and the Most Audacious Process in the History of Professional Sports." When a group of private equity bigwigs purchased the Philadelphia 76ers in 2011, the team was both bad and boring. Attendance was down. So were ratings. The Sixers had an aging coach, an antiquated front office, and a group of players that could best be described as mediocre. 

Enter Sam Hinkie -- a man with a plan straight out of the PE playbook, one that violated professional sports' Golden Rule: You play to win the game. In Hinkie's view, the best way to reach first was to embrace becoming the worst -- to sacrifice wins in the present in order to capture championships in the future. And to those dubious, Hinkie had a response: Trust The Process, and the results will follow. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>38:02</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Yaron Weitzman. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Tanking-Top-Philadelphia-Audacious-Professional/dp/1538749726" rel="nofollow">Tanking to the Top: The Philadelphia 76ers and the Most Audacious Process in the History of Professional Sports.</a> When a group of private equity bigwigs purchased the Philadelphia 76ers in 2011, the team was both bad and boring. Attendance was down. So were ratings. The Sixers had an aging coach, an antiquated front office, and a group of players that could best be described as mediocre. </p>

<p>Enter Sam Hinkie -- a man with a plan straight out of the PE playbook, one that violated professional sports&#39; Golden Rule: You play to win the game. In Hinkie&#39;s view, the best way to reach first was to embrace becoming the worst -- to sacrifice wins in the present in order to capture championships in the future. And to those dubious, Hinkie had a response: Trust The Process, and the results will follow. </p>

<p>The plan, dubbed &quot;The Process,&quot; seems to have worked. More than six years after handing Hinkie the keys, the Sixers have transformed into one of the most exciting teams in the NBA. They&#39;ve emerged as a championship contender with a roster full of stars, none bigger than Joel Embiid, a captivating seven-footer known for both brutalizing opponents on the court and taunting them off of it. </p>

<p>Beneath the surface, though, lies a different story, one of infighting, dueling egos, and competing agendas. Hinkie, pushed out less than three years into his reign by a demoralized owner, a jealous CEO, and an embarrassed NBA, was the first casualty of The Process. He&#39;d be far from the last. </p>

<p>Drawing from interviews with nearly 175 people, TANKING TO THE TOP brings to life the palace intrigue incited by Hinkie&#39;s proposal, taking readers into the boardroom where the Sixers laid out their plans, and onto the courts where those plans met reality. Full of uplifting, rags-to-riches stories, backroom dealings, mysterious injuries, and burner Twitter accounts, TANKING TO THE TOP is the definitive, inside story of the Sixers&#39; Process and a fun and lively behind-the-scenes look at one of America&#39;s most transgressive teams.</p>]]>
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<p>Enter Sam Hinkie -- a man with a plan straight out of the PE playbook, one that violated professional sports&#39; Golden Rule: You play to win the game. In Hinkie&#39;s view, the best way to reach first was to embrace becoming the worst -- to sacrifice wins in the present in order to capture championships in the future. And to those dubious, Hinkie had a response: Trust The Process, and the results will follow. </p>

<p>The plan, dubbed &quot;The Process,&quot; seems to have worked. More than six years after handing Hinkie the keys, the Sixers have transformed into one of the most exciting teams in the NBA. They&#39;ve emerged as a championship contender with a roster full of stars, none bigger than Joel Embiid, a captivating seven-footer known for both brutalizing opponents on the court and taunting them off of it. </p>

<p>Beneath the surface, though, lies a different story, one of infighting, dueling egos, and competing agendas. Hinkie, pushed out less than three years into his reign by a demoralized owner, a jealous CEO, and an embarrassed NBA, was the first casualty of The Process. He&#39;d be far from the last. </p>

<p>Drawing from interviews with nearly 175 people, TANKING TO THE TOP brings to life the palace intrigue incited by Hinkie&#39;s proposal, taking readers into the boardroom where the Sixers laid out their plans, and onto the courts where those plans met reality. Full of uplifting, rags-to-riches stories, backroom dealings, mysterious injuries, and burner Twitter accounts, TANKING TO THE TOP is the definitive, inside story of the Sixers&#39; Process and a fun and lively behind-the-scenes look at one of America&#39;s most transgressive teams.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Yaron Weitzman. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Tanking-Top-Philadelphia-Audacious-Professional/dp/1538749726" rel="nofollow">Tanking to the Top: The Philadelphia 76ers and the Most Audacious Process in the History of Professional Sports.</a> When a group of private equity bigwigs purchased the Philadelphia 76ers in 2011, the team was both bad and boring. Attendance was down. So were ratings. The Sixers had an aging coach, an antiquated front office, and a group of players that could best be described as mediocre. </p>

<p>Enter Sam Hinkie -- a man with a plan straight out of the PE playbook, one that violated professional sports&#39; Golden Rule: You play to win the game. In Hinkie&#39;s view, the best way to reach first was to embrace becoming the worst -- to sacrifice wins in the present in order to capture championships in the future. And to those dubious, Hinkie had a response: Trust The Process, and the results will follow. </p>

<p>The plan, dubbed &quot;The Process,&quot; seems to have worked. More than six years after handing Hinkie the keys, the Sixers have transformed into one of the most exciting teams in the NBA. They&#39;ve emerged as a championship contender with a roster full of stars, none bigger than Joel Embiid, a captivating seven-footer known for both brutalizing opponents on the court and taunting them off of it. </p>

<p>Beneath the surface, though, lies a different story, one of infighting, dueling egos, and competing agendas. Hinkie, pushed out less than three years into his reign by a demoralized owner, a jealous CEO, and an embarrassed NBA, was the first casualty of The Process. He&#39;d be far from the last. </p>

<p>Drawing from interviews with nearly 175 people, TANKING TO THE TOP brings to life the palace intrigue incited by Hinkie&#39;s proposal, taking readers into the boardroom where the Sixers laid out their plans, and onto the courts where those plans met reality. Full of uplifting, rags-to-riches stories, backroom dealings, mysterious injuries, and burner Twitter accounts, TANKING TO THE TOP is the definitive, inside story of the Sixers&#39; Process and a fun and lively behind-the-scenes look at one of America&#39;s most transgressive teams.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 221: A Poet Talks Pandemics, with Bob Holman</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. LIFE POEM and THE UNSPOKEN serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne. He's also a New Yorker in the midst of the epicenter of the Corona pandemic.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. LIFE POEM and THE UNSPOKEN serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne. He&#39;s also a New Yorker in the midst of the epicenter of the Corona pandemic.</p>

<p>LIFE POEM is a recently rediscovered book-length poem Holman wrote at age 21, new to poetry and first in its thrall. Filled with “jounce and pounce,” as Gwendolyn Brooks says, it’s a hippy diary full of communes, Vietnam, romance, and a driving love for language that ended up lasting a lifetime. THE UNSPOKEN is a collection of recent works, written by Holman, A WIDOWER in his 70s, still devoted to poetry, but now with decades of experience, memories, and loss to inform it. There are poems of all sorts: personal, confessional, poems set to music, poems that are meant to be shouted or whispered; there are poems addressed to his late wife, the painter Elizabeth Murray, to their children, and to the countless artists and poets he’s encountered over the last half century.</p>

<p>The books show the roots of Holman’s own personal mix of Appalachian storytelling, spoken-word poetry bravado, and New York whimsy and humor. Both poems are a raucous celebration of a life lived as art, and an invitation to the reader to join the party. In the words of poet Naomi Shihab Nye, &quot;His life gusto and poetry voice keep the world turning.”</p><p>Special Guests: Adam Hamilton and Bob Holman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. LIFE POEM and THE UNSPOKEN serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne. He&#39;s also a New Yorker in the midst of the epicenter of the Corona pandemic.</p>

<p>LIFE POEM is a recently rediscovered book-length poem Holman wrote at age 21, new to poetry and first in its thrall. Filled with “jounce and pounce,” as Gwendolyn Brooks says, it’s a hippy diary full of communes, Vietnam, romance, and a driving love for language that ended up lasting a lifetime. THE UNSPOKEN is a collection of recent works, written by Holman, A WIDOWER in his 70s, still devoted to poetry, but now with decades of experience, memories, and loss to inform it. There are poems of all sorts: personal, confessional, poems set to music, poems that are meant to be shouted or whispered; there are poems addressed to his late wife, the painter Elizabeth Murray, to their children, and to the countless artists and poets he’s encountered over the last half century.</p>

<p>The books show the roots of Holman’s own personal mix of Appalachian storytelling, spoken-word poetry bravado, and New York whimsy and humor. Both poems are a raucous celebration of a life lived as art, and an invitation to the reader to join the party. In the words of poet Naomi Shihab Nye, &quot;His life gusto and poetry voice keep the world turning.”</p><p>Special Guests: Adam Hamilton and Bob Holman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. LIFE POEM and THE UNSPOKEN serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne. He&#39;s also a New Yorker in the midst of the epicenter of the Corona pandemic.</p>

<p>LIFE POEM is a recently rediscovered book-length poem Holman wrote at age 21, new to poetry and first in its thrall. Filled with “jounce and pounce,” as Gwendolyn Brooks says, it’s a hippy diary full of communes, Vietnam, romance, and a driving love for language that ended up lasting a lifetime. THE UNSPOKEN is a collection of recent works, written by Holman, A WIDOWER in his 70s, still devoted to poetry, but now with decades of experience, memories, and loss to inform it. There are poems of all sorts: personal, confessional, poems set to music, poems that are meant to be shouted or whispered; there are poems addressed to his late wife, the painter Elizabeth Murray, to their children, and to the countless artists and poets he’s encountered over the last half century.</p>

<p>The books show the roots of Holman’s own personal mix of Appalachian storytelling, spoken-word poetry bravado, and New York whimsy and humor. Both poems are a raucous celebration of a life lived as art, and an invitation to the reader to join the party. In the words of poet Naomi Shihab Nye, &quot;His life gusto and poetry voice keep the world turning.”</p><p>Special Guests: Adam Hamilton and Bob Holman.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 220: Critical Thinking, with Jonathan Haber</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jonathan Haber. He's the author of "Critical Thinking." Critical thinking is regularly cited as an essential twenty-first century skill, the key to success in school and work. Given our propensity to believe fake news, draw incorrect conclusions, and make decisions based on emotion rather than reason, it might even be said that critical thinking is vital to the survival of a democratic society. But what, exactly, is critical thinking? In this volume in the MIT Press Essential Knowledge series, Jonathan Haber explains how the concept of critical thinking emerged, how it has been defined, and how critical thinking skills can be taught and assessed.


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      <itunes:duration>41:26</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Haber. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Thinking-Press-Essential-Knowledge/dp/0262538288" rel="nofollow">Critical Thinking</a>. Critical thinking is regularly cited as an essential twenty-first century skill, the key to success in school and work. Given our propensity to believe fake news, draw incorrect conclusions, and make decisions based on emotion rather than reason, it might even be said that critical thinking is vital to the survival of a democratic society. But what, exactly, is critical thinking? In this volume in the MIT Press Essential Knowledge series, Jonathan Haber explains how the concept of critical thinking emerged, how it has been defined, and how critical thinking skills can be taught and assessed.</p>

<p>You can check out Jonathan&#39;s site, <a href="https://www.logiccheck.net" rel="nofollow">LogicCheck.net</a>, where uses the news of the day to teach practical critical-thinking skills.  You can read more about his work in critical-thinking education <a href="http://www.degreeoffreedom.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.degreeoffreedom.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Haber.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Haber. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Thinking-Press-Essential-Knowledge/dp/0262538288" rel="nofollow">Critical Thinking</a>. Critical thinking is regularly cited as an essential twenty-first century skill, the key to success in school and work. Given our propensity to believe fake news, draw incorrect conclusions, and make decisions based on emotion rather than reason, it might even be said that critical thinking is vital to the survival of a democratic society. But what, exactly, is critical thinking? In this volume in the MIT Press Essential Knowledge series, Jonathan Haber explains how the concept of critical thinking emerged, how it has been defined, and how critical thinking skills can be taught and assessed.</p>

<p>You can check out Jonathan&#39;s site, <a href="https://www.logiccheck.net" rel="nofollow">LogicCheck.net</a>, where uses the news of the day to teach practical critical-thinking skills.  You can read more about his work in critical-thinking education <a href="http://www.degreeoffreedom.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.degreeoffreedom.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Haber.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Haber. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Thinking-Press-Essential-Knowledge/dp/0262538288" rel="nofollow">Critical Thinking</a>. Critical thinking is regularly cited as an essential twenty-first century skill, the key to success in school and work. Given our propensity to believe fake news, draw incorrect conclusions, and make decisions based on emotion rather than reason, it might even be said that critical thinking is vital to the survival of a democratic society. But what, exactly, is critical thinking? In this volume in the MIT Press Essential Knowledge series, Jonathan Haber explains how the concept of critical thinking emerged, how it has been defined, and how critical thinking skills can be taught and assessed.</p>

<p>You can check out Jonathan&#39;s site, <a href="https://www.logiccheck.net" rel="nofollow">LogicCheck.net</a>, where uses the news of the day to teach practical critical-thinking skills.  You can read more about his work in critical-thinking education <a href="http://www.degreeoffreedom.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.degreeoffreedom.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Haber.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 219: The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience in the midst of Corona, with Lee McIntyre</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2020 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Lee McIntyre. He's the author of "The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience." Attacks on science have become commonplace. Claims that climate change isn't settled science, that evolution is “only a theory,” and that scientists are conspiring to keep the truth about vaccines from the public are staples of some politicians' rhetorical repertoire. Defenders of science often point to its discoveries (penicillin! relativity!) without explaining exactly why scientific claims are superior. In this book, Lee McIntyre argues that what distinguishes science from its rivals is what he calls “the scientific attitude”―caring about evidence and being willing to change theories on the basis of new evidence. The history of science is littered with theories that were scientific but turned out to be wrong; the scientific attitude reveals why even a failed theory can help us to understand what is special about science. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>54:59</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lee McIntyre. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Attitude-Defending-Science-Pseudoscience/dp/0262039834" rel="nofollow">The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience</a>. Attacks on science have become commonplace. Claims that climate change isn&#39;t settled science, that evolution is “only a theory,” and that scientists are conspiring to keep the truth about vaccines from the public are staples of some politicians&#39; rhetorical repertoire. Defenders of science often point to its discoveries (penicillin! relativity!) without explaining exactly why scientific claims are superior. In this book, Lee McIntyre argues that what distinguishes science from its rivals is what he calls “the scientific attitude”―caring about evidence and being willing to change theories on the basis of new evidence. The history of science is littered with theories that were scientific but turned out to be wrong; the scientific attitude reveals why even a failed theory can help us to understand what is special about science. </p>

<p>McIntyre offers examples that illustrate both scientific success (a reduction in childbed fever in the nineteenth century) and failure (the flawed “discovery” of cold fusion in the twentieth century). He describes the transformation of medicine from a practice based largely on hunches into a science based on evidence; considers scientific fraud; examines the positions of ideology-driven denialists, pseudoscientists, and “skeptics” who reject scientific findings; and argues that social science, no less than natural science, should embrace the scientific attitude. McIntyre argues that the scientific attitude―the grounding of science in evidence―offers a uniquely powerful tool in the defense of science.</p><p>Special Guest: Lee McIntyre.</p>]]>
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<p>McIntyre offers examples that illustrate both scientific success (a reduction in childbed fever in the nineteenth century) and failure (the flawed “discovery” of cold fusion in the twentieth century). He describes the transformation of medicine from a practice based largely on hunches into a science based on evidence; considers scientific fraud; examines the positions of ideology-driven denialists, pseudoscientists, and “skeptics” who reject scientific findings; and argues that social science, no less than natural science, should embrace the scientific attitude. McIntyre argues that the scientific attitude―the grounding of science in evidence―offers a uniquely powerful tool in the defense of science.</p><p>Special Guest: Lee McIntyre.</p>]]>
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<p>McIntyre offers examples that illustrate both scientific success (a reduction in childbed fever in the nineteenth century) and failure (the flawed “discovery” of cold fusion in the twentieth century). He describes the transformation of medicine from a practice based largely on hunches into a science based on evidence; considers scientific fraud; examines the positions of ideology-driven denialists, pseudoscientists, and “skeptics” who reject scientific findings; and argues that social science, no less than natural science, should embrace the scientific attitude. McIntyre argues that the scientific attitude―the grounding of science in evidence―offers a uniquely powerful tool in the defense of science.</p><p>Special Guest: Lee McIntyre.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 218: The Hot Hand, with Ben Cohen </title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2020 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>For decades, statisticians, social scientists, psychologists, and economists (among them Nobel Prize winners) have spent massive amounts of precious time thinking about whether streaks actually exist. After all, a substantial number of decisions that we make in our everyday lives are quietly rooted in this one question: If something happened before, will it happen again? Is there such a thing as being in the zone? Can someone have a “hot hand”? Or is it simply a case of seeing patterns in randomness? Or, if streaks are possible, where can they be found?</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hot-Hand-Mystery-Science-Streaks/dp/0062820729" rel="nofollow">The Hot Hand</a>, Wall Street Journal reporter Ben Cohen offers an unfailingly entertaining and provocative investigation into these questions. He begins with how a $35,000 fine and a wild night in New York revived a debate about the existence of streaks that was several generations in the making. We learn how the ability to recognize and then bet against streaks turned a business school dropout named David Booth into a billionaire, and how the subconscious nature of streak-related bias can make the difference between life and death for asylum seekers. We see how previously unrecognized streaks hidden amidst archival data helped solve one of the most haunting mysteries of the twentieth century, the disappearance of Raoul Wallenberg. Cohen also exposes how streak-related incentives can be manipulated, from the five-syllable word that helped break arcade profit records to an arc of black paint that allowed Stephen Curry to transform from future junior high coach into the greatest three-point shooter in NBA history. Crucially, Cohen also explores why false recognition of nonexistent streaks can have cataclysmic results, particularly if you are a sugar beet farmer or the sort of gambler who likes to switch to black on the ninth spin of the roulette wheel.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Cohen.</p>]]>
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<p>In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hot-Hand-Mystery-Science-Streaks/dp/0062820729" rel="nofollow">The Hot Hand</a>, Wall Street Journal reporter Ben Cohen offers an unfailingly entertaining and provocative investigation into these questions. He begins with how a $35,000 fine and a wild night in New York revived a debate about the existence of streaks that was several generations in the making. We learn how the ability to recognize and then bet against streaks turned a business school dropout named David Booth into a billionaire, and how the subconscious nature of streak-related bias can make the difference between life and death for asylum seekers. We see how previously unrecognized streaks hidden amidst archival data helped solve one of the most haunting mysteries of the twentieth century, the disappearance of Raoul Wallenberg. Cohen also exposes how streak-related incentives can be manipulated, from the five-syllable word that helped break arcade profit records to an arc of black paint that allowed Stephen Curry to transform from future junior high coach into the greatest three-point shooter in NBA history. Crucially, Cohen also explores why false recognition of nonexistent streaks can have cataclysmic results, particularly if you are a sugar beet farmer or the sort of gambler who likes to switch to black on the ninth spin of the roulette wheel.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>For decades, statisticians, social scientists, psychologists, and economists (among them Nobel Prize winners) have spent massive amounts of precious time thinking about whether streaks actually exist. After all, a substantial number of decisions that we make in our everyday lives are quietly rooted in this one question: If something happened before, will it happen again? Is there such a thing as being in the zone? Can someone have a “hot hand”? Or is it simply a case of seeing patterns in randomness? Or, if streaks are possible, where can they be found?</p>

<p>In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Hot-Hand-Mystery-Science-Streaks/dp/0062820729" rel="nofollow">The Hot Hand</a>, Wall Street Journal reporter Ben Cohen offers an unfailingly entertaining and provocative investigation into these questions. He begins with how a $35,000 fine and a wild night in New York revived a debate about the existence of streaks that was several generations in the making. We learn how the ability to recognize and then bet against streaks turned a business school dropout named David Booth into a billionaire, and how the subconscious nature of streak-related bias can make the difference between life and death for asylum seekers. We see how previously unrecognized streaks hidden amidst archival data helped solve one of the most haunting mysteries of the twentieth century, the disappearance of Raoul Wallenberg. Cohen also exposes how streak-related incentives can be manipulated, from the five-syllable word that helped break arcade profit records to an arc of black paint that allowed Stephen Curry to transform from future junior high coach into the greatest three-point shooter in NBA history. Crucially, Cohen also explores why false recognition of nonexistent streaks can have cataclysmic results, particularly if you are a sugar beet farmer or the sort of gambler who likes to switch to black on the ninth spin of the roulette wheel.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Cohen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 217: Pandemics and Polling, with Patrick Murray</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2020 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Patrick Murrary. He was named the Monmouth University Polling Institute’s founding director in 2005. He is frequently called upon by the media to provide commentary on polling and the political world, including appearances on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, PBS, and National Public Radio. During federal election years, Murray also serves as a national exit poll analyst for major networks. In the institute’s home state, Murray has appeared on numerous Power Lists of the most influential people in New Jersey politics.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 216: The Nail in the Tree: Essays on Art, Violence, and Childhood, with Carol Ann Davis</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2020 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Carol Ann Davis. Her new book "The Nail in the Tree" narrates her experience of raising two sons in Sandy Hook, Connecticut, on the day of and during the aftermath of the shooting there. Part memoir, part art-historical treatise, these meditations lead her to explore crucial subjects, including whether childhood can itself be both violent and generative, the possibility of the integration of trauma into daily life and artistic practice, and the role of the artist. Davis is the author of two previous poetry collections, Psalm (2007) and Atlas Hour (2011), both from Tupelo Press, and a professor of English at Fairfield University.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>39:53</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Carol Ann Davis. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nail-Tree-Essays-Violence-Childhood/dp/1946482269" rel="nofollow">The Nail in the Tree</a> narrates her experience of raising two sons in Sandy Hook, Connecticut, on the day of and during the aftermath of the shooting there. Part memoir, part art-historical treatise, these meditations lead her to explore crucial subjects, including whether childhood can itself be both violent and generative, the possibility of the integration of trauma into daily life and artistic practice, and the role of the artist. Davis is the author of two previous poetry collections, Psalm (2007) and Atlas Hour (2011), both from Tupelo Press, and a professor of English at Fairfield University.</p><p>Special Guest: Carol Ann Davis.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Carol Ann Davis. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nail-Tree-Essays-Violence-Childhood/dp/1946482269" rel="nofollow">The Nail in the Tree</a> narrates her experience of raising two sons in Sandy Hook, Connecticut, on the day of and during the aftermath of the shooting there. Part memoir, part art-historical treatise, these meditations lead her to explore crucial subjects, including whether childhood can itself be both violent and generative, the possibility of the integration of trauma into daily life and artistic practice, and the role of the artist. Davis is the author of two previous poetry collections, Psalm (2007) and Atlas Hour (2011), both from Tupelo Press, and a professor of English at Fairfield University.</p><p>Special Guest: Carol Ann Davis.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 215: The Reverend Hunter, with Tony Jones</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2020 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:duration>1:04:44</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 214: Industrial-Strength Denial: Eight Stories of Corporations Defending the Indefensible, from the Slave Trade to Climate Change, with Barbara Freese</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2020 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Barbara Freese. Her newest book is "Industrial-Strength Denial: Eight Stories of Corporations Defending the Indefensible, from the Slave Trade to Climate Change." In it she argues that corporations faced with proof that they are hurting people or the planet have a long history of denying evidence, blaming victims, complaining of witch hunts, attacking their critics’ motives, and otherwise rationalizing their harmful activities. Denial campaigns have let corporations continue dangerous practices that cause widespread suffering, death, and environmental destruction. And, by undermining social trust in science and government, corporate denial has made it harder for our democracy to function. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:10</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 213: Why Conservatives and Liberals Are Not Experiencing the Same Pandemic, with Luke Conway</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Luke Conway. He is a professor of psychology at the University of Montana. He just wrote a piece summarizing his research on conservative and liberal experiences of the pandemic. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>You can find <a href="https://heterodoxacademy.org/social-science-liberals-conservatives-covid-19/" rel="nofollow">the piece here.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Luke Conway.</p>]]>
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<p>You can find <a href="https://heterodoxacademy.org/social-science-liberals-conservatives-covid-19/" rel="nofollow">the piece here.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Luke Conway.</p>]]>
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<p>You can find <a href="https://heterodoxacademy.org/social-science-liberals-conservatives-covid-19/" rel="nofollow">the piece here.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Luke Conway.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 212: Corona and The Congressional Dish, with Jennifer Briney.</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2020 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2020 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Episode 210: This Is All I Got: A New Mother's Search for Home, with Lauren Sandler</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2020 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Lauren Sandler. Her newest book is "This Is All I Got: A New Mother's Search for Home." More than forty-five million Americans attempt to survive under the poverty line, day by day. Nearly 60,000 people sleep in New York City-run shelters every night—forty percent of them children. This Is All I Got makes this issue deeply personal, vividly depicting one woman's hope and despair and her steadfast determination to improve her situation, despite the myriad setbacks she encounters. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lauren Sandler. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-All-Got-Mothers-Search-ebook/dp/B07TRXXF6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lauren+Sandler+this+is+all+I+got&qid=1588628322&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">This Is All I Got: A New Mother&#39;s Search for Home</a>. More than forty-five million Americans attempt to survive under the poverty line, day by day. Nearly 60,000 people sleep in New York City-run shelters every night—forty percent of them children. This Is All I Got makes this issue deeply personal, vividly depicting one woman&#39;s hope and despair and her steadfast determination to improve her situation, despite the myriad setbacks she encounters. </p>

<p>Camila is a twenty-two-year-old new mother. She has no family to rely on, no partner, and no home. Despite her intelligence and determination, the odds are firmly stacked against her. Award-winning journalist Lauren Sandler tells the story of a year in Camila&#39;s life—from the birth of her son to his first birthday—as she navigates the labyrinth of poverty and homelessness in America. As Camila attempts to secure a college education and a safe place to raise her son, she copes with dashed dreams, failed relationships, and miles of red tape with grit, grace, and resilience.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-All-Got-Mothers-Search-ebook/dp/B07TRXXF6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lauren+Sandler+this+is+all+I+got&qid=1588628322&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">This Is All I Got</a> is a dramatic story of survival and powerful indictment of a broken system, but it is also a revealing and candid depiction of the relationship between an embedded reporter and her subject and the tricky boundaries to navigate when it&#39;s impossible to remain a dispassionate observer.</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Sandler.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lauren Sandler. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-All-Got-Mothers-Search-ebook/dp/B07TRXXF6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lauren+Sandler+this+is+all+I+got&qid=1588628322&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">This Is All I Got: A New Mother&#39;s Search for Home</a>. More than forty-five million Americans attempt to survive under the poverty line, day by day. Nearly 60,000 people sleep in New York City-run shelters every night—forty percent of them children. This Is All I Got makes this issue deeply personal, vividly depicting one woman&#39;s hope and despair and her steadfast determination to improve her situation, despite the myriad setbacks she encounters. </p>

<p>Camila is a twenty-two-year-old new mother. She has no family to rely on, no partner, and no home. Despite her intelligence and determination, the odds are firmly stacked against her. Award-winning journalist Lauren Sandler tells the story of a year in Camila&#39;s life—from the birth of her son to his first birthday—as she navigates the labyrinth of poverty and homelessness in America. As Camila attempts to secure a college education and a safe place to raise her son, she copes with dashed dreams, failed relationships, and miles of red tape with grit, grace, and resilience.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-All-Got-Mothers-Search-ebook/dp/B07TRXXF6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lauren+Sandler+this+is+all+I+got&qid=1588628322&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">This Is All I Got</a> is a dramatic story of survival and powerful indictment of a broken system, but it is also a revealing and candid depiction of the relationship between an embedded reporter and her subject and the tricky boundaries to navigate when it&#39;s impossible to remain a dispassionate observer.</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Sandler.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lauren Sandler. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-All-Got-Mothers-Search-ebook/dp/B07TRXXF6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lauren+Sandler+this+is+all+I+got&qid=1588628322&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">This Is All I Got: A New Mother&#39;s Search for Home</a>. More than forty-five million Americans attempt to survive under the poverty line, day by day. Nearly 60,000 people sleep in New York City-run shelters every night—forty percent of them children. This Is All I Got makes this issue deeply personal, vividly depicting one woman&#39;s hope and despair and her steadfast determination to improve her situation, despite the myriad setbacks she encounters. </p>

<p>Camila is a twenty-two-year-old new mother. She has no family to rely on, no partner, and no home. Despite her intelligence and determination, the odds are firmly stacked against her. Award-winning journalist Lauren Sandler tells the story of a year in Camila&#39;s life—from the birth of her son to his first birthday—as she navigates the labyrinth of poverty and homelessness in America. As Camila attempts to secure a college education and a safe place to raise her son, she copes with dashed dreams, failed relationships, and miles of red tape with grit, grace, and resilience.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-All-Got-Mothers-Search-ebook/dp/B07TRXXF6N/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Lauren+Sandler+this+is+all+I+got&qid=1588628322&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">This Is All I Got</a> is a dramatic story of survival and powerful indictment of a broken system, but it is also a revealing and candid depiction of the relationship between an embedded reporter and her subject and the tricky boundaries to navigate when it&#39;s impossible to remain a dispassionate observer.</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Sandler.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 209: Pandemics Old and New, with Edward J. Watts</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 13:15:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. The author and editor of several prize-winning books, including "The Final Pagan Generation" and "Mortal Republic", he lives in Carlsbad, California.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:13:16</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. The author and editor of several prize-winning books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Final-Generation-Transformation-Classical-Heritage-ebook/dp/B00Q6B7FXW/ref=pd_sbsd_14_3/146-5135130-5937969?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00Q6B7FXW&pd_rd_r=0fec29e1-a8b5-4cdd-a3be-2b36f300760e&pd_rd_w=3QCKb&pd_rd_wg=sUeEC&pf_rd_p=2c2d0d3b-b3c5-4110-93fa-2c1270309ac1&pf_rd_r=7R1CRVMDQYG3JJ3YM34C&psc=1&refRID=7R1CRVMDQYG3JJ3YM34C" rel="nofollow">The Final Pagan Generation</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mortal-Republic-Rome-Fell-Tyranny/dp/0465093817" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>, he lives in Carlsbad, California.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. The author and editor of several prize-winning books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Final-Generation-Transformation-Classical-Heritage-ebook/dp/B00Q6B7FXW/ref=pd_sbsd_14_3/146-5135130-5937969?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00Q6B7FXW&pd_rd_r=0fec29e1-a8b5-4cdd-a3be-2b36f300760e&pd_rd_w=3QCKb&pd_rd_wg=sUeEC&pf_rd_p=2c2d0d3b-b3c5-4110-93fa-2c1270309ac1&pf_rd_r=7R1CRVMDQYG3JJ3YM34C&psc=1&refRID=7R1CRVMDQYG3JJ3YM34C" rel="nofollow">The Final Pagan Generation</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mortal-Republic-Rome-Fell-Tyranny/dp/0465093817" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>, he lives in Carlsbad, California.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 208: Commentary and Corona, with Noah Rothman</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Noah Rothman. He is the Associate Editor of Commentary and the author of Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:03:10</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Noah Rothman. He is the Associate Editor of Commentary and the author of<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unjust-Social-Justice-Unmaking-America/dp/1621577929" rel="nofollow"> Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Noah Rothman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Noah Rothman. He is the Associate Editor of Commentary and the author of<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unjust-Social-Justice-Unmaking-America/dp/1621577929" rel="nofollow"> Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Noah Rothman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Noah Rothman. He is the Associate Editor of Commentary and the author of<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unjust-Social-Justice-Unmaking-America/dp/1621577929" rel="nofollow"> Unjust: Social Justice and the Unmaking of America.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Noah Rothman.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 207: The Power Worshipers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism, with Katherine Stewart</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2020 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Katherine Stewart. Her newest book is "The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism." For too long, she argues, the Religious Right has masqueraded as a social movement preoccupied with a number of cultural issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In her deeply reported investigation, Katherine Stewart reveals a disturbing truth: this is a political movement that seeks to gain power and to impose its vision on all of society. America’s religious nationalists aren’t just fighting a culture war, they are waging a political war on the norms and institutions of American democracy.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Katherine Stewart. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Power-Worshippers-Dangerous-Religious-Nationalism/dp/1635573432" rel="nofollow">The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.</a> For too long, she argues, the Religious Right has masqueraded as a social movement preoccupied with a number of cultural issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In her deeply reported investigation, Katherine Stewart reveals a disturbing truth: this is a political movement that seeks to gain power and to impose its vision on all of society. America’s religious nationalists aren’t just fighting a culture war, they are waging a political war on the norms and institutions of American democracy.</p>

<p>Stewart pulls back the curtain on the inner workings and leading personalities of a movement that has turned religion into a tool for domination. She exposes a dense network of think tanks, advocacy groups, and pastoral organizations embedded in a rapidly expanding community of international alliances and united not by any central command but by a shared, anti-democratic vision and a common will to power. She follows the money that fuels this movement, tracing much of it to a cadre of super-wealthy, ultraconservative donors and family foundations. She shows that today’s Christian nationalism is the fruit of a longstanding antidemocratic, reactionary strain of American thought that draws on some of the most troubling episodes in America’s past. It forms common cause with a globe-spanning movement that seeks to destroy liberal democracy and replace it with nationalist, theocratic and autocratic forms of government around the world. Religious nationalism is far more organized and better funded than most people realize. It seeks to control all aspects of government and society. Its successes have been stunning, and its influence now extends to every aspect of American life, from the White House to state capitols, from our schools to our hospitals. </p>

<p>The Power Worshippers is a brilliantly reported book of warning and a wake-up call. Stewart’s probing examination demands that Christian nationalism be taken seriously as a significant threat to the American republic and our democratic freedoms.</p><p>Special Guest: Katherine Stewart.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Katherine Stewart. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Power-Worshippers-Dangerous-Religious-Nationalism/dp/1635573432" rel="nofollow">The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.</a> For too long, she argues, the Religious Right has masqueraded as a social movement preoccupied with a number of cultural issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In her deeply reported investigation, Katherine Stewart reveals a disturbing truth: this is a political movement that seeks to gain power and to impose its vision on all of society. America’s religious nationalists aren’t just fighting a culture war, they are waging a political war on the norms and institutions of American democracy.</p>

<p>Stewart pulls back the curtain on the inner workings and leading personalities of a movement that has turned religion into a tool for domination. She exposes a dense network of think tanks, advocacy groups, and pastoral organizations embedded in a rapidly expanding community of international alliances and united not by any central command but by a shared, anti-democratic vision and a common will to power. She follows the money that fuels this movement, tracing much of it to a cadre of super-wealthy, ultraconservative donors and family foundations. She shows that today’s Christian nationalism is the fruit of a longstanding antidemocratic, reactionary strain of American thought that draws on some of the most troubling episodes in America’s past. It forms common cause with a globe-spanning movement that seeks to destroy liberal democracy and replace it with nationalist, theocratic and autocratic forms of government around the world. Religious nationalism is far more organized and better funded than most people realize. It seeks to control all aspects of government and society. Its successes have been stunning, and its influence now extends to every aspect of American life, from the White House to state capitols, from our schools to our hospitals. </p>

<p>The Power Worshippers is a brilliantly reported book of warning and a wake-up call. Stewart’s probing examination demands that Christian nationalism be taken seriously as a significant threat to the American republic and our democratic freedoms.</p><p>Special Guest: Katherine Stewart.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Katherine Stewart. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Power-Worshippers-Dangerous-Religious-Nationalism/dp/1635573432" rel="nofollow">The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.</a> For too long, she argues, the Religious Right has masqueraded as a social movement preoccupied with a number of cultural issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In her deeply reported investigation, Katherine Stewart reveals a disturbing truth: this is a political movement that seeks to gain power and to impose its vision on all of society. America’s religious nationalists aren’t just fighting a culture war, they are waging a political war on the norms and institutions of American democracy.</p>

<p>Stewart pulls back the curtain on the inner workings and leading personalities of a movement that has turned religion into a tool for domination. She exposes a dense network of think tanks, advocacy groups, and pastoral organizations embedded in a rapidly expanding community of international alliances and united not by any central command but by a shared, anti-democratic vision and a common will to power. She follows the money that fuels this movement, tracing much of it to a cadre of super-wealthy, ultraconservative donors and family foundations. She shows that today’s Christian nationalism is the fruit of a longstanding antidemocratic, reactionary strain of American thought that draws on some of the most troubling episodes in America’s past. It forms common cause with a globe-spanning movement that seeks to destroy liberal democracy and replace it with nationalist, theocratic and autocratic forms of government around the world. Religious nationalism is far more organized and better funded than most people realize. It seeks to control all aspects of government and society. Its successes have been stunning, and its influence now extends to every aspect of American life, from the White House to state capitols, from our schools to our hospitals. </p>

<p>The Power Worshippers is a brilliantly reported book of warning and a wake-up call. Stewart’s probing examination demands that Christian nationalism be taken seriously as a significant threat to the American republic and our democratic freedoms.</p><p>Special Guest: Katherine Stewart.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 206: Power in Modernity, with Isaac Ariail Reed</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Isaac Ariail Reed. He's the author of "Power in Modernity: Agency Relations and the Creative Destruction of the King’s Two Bodies."  In it he proposes a bold new theory of power that describes overlapping networks of delegation and domination. Chains of power and their representation, linking together groups and individuals across time and space, create a vast network of intersecting alliances, subordinations, redistributions, and violent exclusions. Reed traces the common action of “sending someone else to do something for you” as it expands outward into the hierarchies that control territories, persons, artifacts, minds, and money.
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Isaac Ariail Reed. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Power-Modernity-Relations-Creative-Destruction/dp/022668945X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=power+in+modernity+Isaac&qid=1587237920&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Power in Modernity: Agency Relations and the Creative Destruction of the King’s Two Bodies.</a> In it he proposes a bold new theory of power that describes overlapping networks of delegation and domination. Chains of power and their representation, linking together groups and individuals across time and space, create a vast network of intersecting alliances, subordinations, redistributions, and violent exclusions. Reed traces the common action of “sending someone else to do something for you” as it expands outward into the hierarchies that control territories, persons, artifacts, minds, and money.</p>

<p>He mobilizes this theory to investigate the onset of modernity in the Atlantic world, with a focus on rebellion, revolution, and state formation in colonial North America, the early American Republic, the English Civil War, and French Revolution. Modernity, Reed argues, dismantled the “King’s Two Bodies”—the monarch’s physical body and his ethereal, sacred second body that encompassed the body politic—as a schema of representation for forging power relations. Reed’s account then offers a new understanding of the democratic possibilities and violent exclusions forged in the name of “the people,” as revolutionaries sought new ways to secure delegation, build hierarchy, and attack alterity.</p>

<p>Reconsidering the role of myth in modern politics, Reed proposes to see the creative destruction and eternal recurrence of the King’s Two Bodies as constitutive of the modern attitude, and thus as a new starting point for critical theory. Modernity poses in a new way an eternal human question: what does it mean to be the author of one’s own actions?</p>]]>
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<p>He mobilizes this theory to investigate the onset of modernity in the Atlantic world, with a focus on rebellion, revolution, and state formation in colonial North America, the early American Republic, the English Civil War, and French Revolution. Modernity, Reed argues, dismantled the “King’s Two Bodies”—the monarch’s physical body and his ethereal, sacred second body that encompassed the body politic—as a schema of representation for forging power relations. Reed’s account then offers a new understanding of the democratic possibilities and violent exclusions forged in the name of “the people,” as revolutionaries sought new ways to secure delegation, build hierarchy, and attack alterity.</p>

<p>Reconsidering the role of myth in modern politics, Reed proposes to see the creative destruction and eternal recurrence of the King’s Two Bodies as constitutive of the modern attitude, and thus as a new starting point for critical theory. Modernity poses in a new way an eternal human question: what does it mean to be the author of one’s own actions?</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Isaac Ariail Reed. He&#39;s the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Power-Modernity-Relations-Creative-Destruction/dp/022668945X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=power+in+modernity+Isaac&qid=1587237920&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Power in Modernity: Agency Relations and the Creative Destruction of the King’s Two Bodies.</a> In it he proposes a bold new theory of power that describes overlapping networks of delegation and domination. Chains of power and their representation, linking together groups and individuals across time and space, create a vast network of intersecting alliances, subordinations, redistributions, and violent exclusions. Reed traces the common action of “sending someone else to do something for you” as it expands outward into the hierarchies that control territories, persons, artifacts, minds, and money.</p>

<p>He mobilizes this theory to investigate the onset of modernity in the Atlantic world, with a focus on rebellion, revolution, and state formation in colonial North America, the early American Republic, the English Civil War, and French Revolution. Modernity, Reed argues, dismantled the “King’s Two Bodies”—the monarch’s physical body and his ethereal, sacred second body that encompassed the body politic—as a schema of representation for forging power relations. Reed’s account then offers a new understanding of the democratic possibilities and violent exclusions forged in the name of “the people,” as revolutionaries sought new ways to secure delegation, build hierarchy, and attack alterity.</p>

<p>Reconsidering the role of myth in modern politics, Reed proposes to see the creative destruction and eternal recurrence of the King’s Two Bodies as constitutive of the modern attitude, and thus as a new starting point for critical theory. Modernity poses in a new way an eternal human question: what does it mean to be the author of one’s own actions?</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 205: Conservatism and Corona, with David French</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David French. He is a senior editor for The Dispatch and was formerly a senior writer for National Review. David is a New York Times bestselling author, and his next book, The Great American Divorce, will be published by St. Martin’s Press later this year. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve. In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Franklin, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy, and his three children.
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Daniel Cohen. Rabbi Cohen is the author of "What Will They Say About You When You Are Gone? Creating a Life of Legacy." He is co-host of the nationally syndicated radio show, The Rabbi and the Reverend, with Reverend Greg Doll, writes for the Huffington Post Blog, and is a Bottom Line Inc. Expert. He serves as Senior Rabbi of Congregation Agudath Sholom, the largest modern orthodox synagogue in New England.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 203: Saving Free Speech...from Itself, with Thane Rosenbaum</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. His newest book is "Saving Free Speech...from Itself." In an era of political correctness, race-baiting, terrorist incitement, the ‘Danish’ cartoons, the shouting down of speakers, and, of course, ‘fake news,’ liberals and conservatives are up in arms both about speech and its excesses, and what the First Amendment means.  Speech has been weaponized. Everyone knows it, but no one seems to know how to make sense of the current confusion, and what to do about it. Thane Rosenbaum’s provocative and compelling book is what is needed to understand this important issue at the heart of our society and politics.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Thane Rosenbaum. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Saving-Speech-Itself-Thane-Rosenbaum/dp/1941493262" rel="nofollow">Saving Free Speech...from Itself</a>. In an era of political correctness, race-baiting, terrorist incitement, the ‘Danish’ cartoons, the shouting down of speakers, and, of course, ‘fake news,’ liberals and conservatives are up in arms both about speech and its excesses, and what the First Amendment means.  Speech has been weaponized. Everyone knows it, but no one seems to know how to make sense of the current confusion, and what to do about it. Thane Rosenbaum’s provocative and compelling book is what is needed to understand this important issue at the heart of our society and politics.</p>

<p>Our nation’s founders did not envision speech as a license to trample on the rights of others.  And the Supreme Court has decided cases where certain categories of speech are already prohibited without violating the Constitution.  Laws banning hate speech are prevalent in other democratic, liberal societies, where speech is not valued above human dignity, and yet in Germany, France, the UK and elsewhere, life continues, freedoms have not rolled to the bottom of the bogeyman of a ‘slippery slope,’ and democracies remain vibrant.  There is already a great deal of second guessing about the limits of free speech.  In 1977, courts permitted neo-Nazis to march in a Chicago suburb populated by Holocaust survivors.  Today, many wonder whether the alt-right should have been prevented from marching in Charlottesville in 2017.  Even the ACLU, which represented both groups, is having doubts as to whether the First Amendment should override basic notions of equality and citizenship.</p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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<p>Our nation’s founders did not envision speech as a license to trample on the rights of others.  And the Supreme Court has decided cases where certain categories of speech are already prohibited without violating the Constitution.  Laws banning hate speech are prevalent in other democratic, liberal societies, where speech is not valued above human dignity, and yet in Germany, France, the UK and elsewhere, life continues, freedoms have not rolled to the bottom of the bogeyman of a ‘slippery slope,’ and democracies remain vibrant.  There is already a great deal of second guessing about the limits of free speech.  In 1977, courts permitted neo-Nazis to march in a Chicago suburb populated by Holocaust survivors.  Today, many wonder whether the alt-right should have been prevented from marching in Charlottesville in 2017.  Even the ACLU, which represented both groups, is having doubts as to whether the First Amendment should override basic notions of equality and citizenship.</p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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<p>Our nation’s founders did not envision speech as a license to trample on the rights of others.  And the Supreme Court has decided cases where certain categories of speech are already prohibited without violating the Constitution.  Laws banning hate speech are prevalent in other democratic, liberal societies, where speech is not valued above human dignity, and yet in Germany, France, the UK and elsewhere, life continues, freedoms have not rolled to the bottom of the bogeyman of a ‘slippery slope,’ and democracies remain vibrant.  There is already a great deal of second guessing about the limits of free speech.  In 1977, courts permitted neo-Nazis to march in a Chicago suburb populated by Holocaust survivors.  Today, many wonder whether the alt-right should have been prevented from marching in Charlottesville in 2017.  Even the ACLU, which represented both groups, is having doubts as to whether the First Amendment should override basic notions of equality and citizenship.</p><p>Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 202: The Pleasure Gap, with Katherine Rowland</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Katherine Rowland. Tens of millions of American women are dissatisfied with their sex lives. In her provocative and meticulously researched new book, "The Pleasure Gap: American Women and the Unfinished Sexual Revolution", Katherine Rowland, a public health researcher and journalist explores our culture's troubled relationship with women's sexuality and the many complex factors that have thrust us into an epidemic of low desire, guilt, and experiencing sex as a form of labor rather than an act of lust.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Katherine Rowland. Tens of millions of American women are dissatisfied with their sex lives. In her provocative and meticulously researched new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Gap-American-Unfinished-Revolution/dp/1580058361/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+pleasure+gap&qid=1582049486&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Pleasure Gap: American Women and the Unfinished Sexual Revolution</a>, Katherine Rowland, a public health researcher and journalist explores our culture&#39;s troubled relationship with women&#39;s sexuality and the many complex factors that have thrust us into an epidemic of low desire, guilt, and experiencing sex as a form of labor rather than an act of lust.</p>

<p>Drawing on interviews with more than 120 women and dozens of sexual health professionals, Rowland considers how factors like education, bias in scientific research, social messaging, long-term monogamy, and sexual and gendered violence contribute to women&#39;s sexual malaise. She finds no silver bullet to close the pleasure gap, but her wide-ranging foray into women&#39;s sexuality makes it very clear that the epidemic of sexual dissatisfaction is about more than a few missing orgasms. It&#39;s about the complex interaction between culture, biology, capitalism, history, and our shifting ideas about what is right and good and natural. It&#39;s symptomatic of an unfinished revolution--and nobody should settle for it.</p><p>Special Guest: Katherine Rowland.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Katherine Rowland. Tens of millions of American women are dissatisfied with their sex lives. In her provocative and meticulously researched new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Pleasure-Gap-American-Unfinished-Revolution/dp/1580058361/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+pleasure+gap&qid=1582049486&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Pleasure Gap: American Women and the Unfinished Sexual Revolution</a>, Katherine Rowland, a public health researcher and journalist explores our culture&#39;s troubled relationship with women&#39;s sexuality and the many complex factors that have thrust us into an epidemic of low desire, guilt, and experiencing sex as a form of labor rather than an act of lust.</p>

<p>Drawing on interviews with more than 120 women and dozens of sexual health professionals, Rowland considers how factors like education, bias in scientific research, social messaging, long-term monogamy, and sexual and gendered violence contribute to women&#39;s sexual malaise. She finds no silver bullet to close the pleasure gap, but her wide-ranging foray into women&#39;s sexuality makes it very clear that the epidemic of sexual dissatisfaction is about more than a few missing orgasms. It&#39;s about the complex interaction between culture, biology, capitalism, history, and our shifting ideas about what is right and good and natural. It&#39;s symptomatic of an unfinished revolution--and nobody should settle for it.</p><p>Special Guest: Katherine Rowland.</p>]]>
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<p>Drawing on interviews with more than 120 women and dozens of sexual health professionals, Rowland considers how factors like education, bias in scientific research, social messaging, long-term monogamy, and sexual and gendered violence contribute to women&#39;s sexual malaise. She finds no silver bullet to close the pleasure gap, but her wide-ranging foray into women&#39;s sexuality makes it very clear that the epidemic of sexual dissatisfaction is about more than a few missing orgasms. It&#39;s about the complex interaction between culture, biology, capitalism, history, and our shifting ideas about what is right and good and natural. It&#39;s symptomatic of an unfinished revolution--and nobody should settle for it.</p><p>Special Guest: Katherine Rowland.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 201: Trains, Jesus, and Murder: The Gospel according to Johnny Cash, with Richard Beck</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Richard Beck. His new book is "Trains, Jesus, and Murder: The Gospel according to Johnny Cash." "Saints and sinners, all jumbled up together." That's the genius of Johnny Cash, and that's what the gospel is ultimately all about.Johnny Cash sang about and for people on the margins. He famously played concerts in prisons, where he sang both murder ballads and gospel tunes in the same set. It's this juxtaposition between light and dark, writes Richard Beck, that makes Cash one of the most authentic theologians in memory. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Richard Beck. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506433766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Trains, Jesus, and Murder: The Gospel according to Johnny Cash</a>. &quot;Saints and sinners, all jumbled up together.&quot; That&#39;s the genius of Johnny Cash, and that&#39;s what the gospel is ultimately all about.Johnny Cash sang about and for people on the margins. He famously played concerts in prisons, where he sang both murder ballads and gospel tunes in the same set. It&#39;s this juxtaposition between light and dark, writes Richard Beck, that makes Cash one of the most authentic theologians in memory. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506433766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Trains, Jesus, and Murder</a>, Beck explores the theology of Johnny Cash by investigating a dozen of Cash&#39;s songs. In reflecting on Cash&#39;s lyrics, and the passion with which he sang them, we gain a deeper understanding of the enduring faith of the Man in Black.</p><p>Special Guest: Richard Beck.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Richard Beck. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506433766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Trains, Jesus, and Murder: The Gospel according to Johnny Cash</a>. &quot;Saints and sinners, all jumbled up together.&quot; That&#39;s the genius of Johnny Cash, and that&#39;s what the gospel is ultimately all about.Johnny Cash sang about and for people on the margins. He famously played concerts in prisons, where he sang both murder ballads and gospel tunes in the same set. It&#39;s this juxtaposition between light and dark, writes Richard Beck, that makes Cash one of the most authentic theologians in memory. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506433766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Trains, Jesus, and Murder</a>, Beck explores the theology of Johnny Cash by investigating a dozen of Cash&#39;s songs. In reflecting on Cash&#39;s lyrics, and the passion with which he sang them, we gain a deeper understanding of the enduring faith of the Man in Black.</p><p>Special Guest: Richard Beck.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Richard Beck. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506433766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Trains, Jesus, and Murder: The Gospel according to Johnny Cash</a>. &quot;Saints and sinners, all jumbled up together.&quot; That&#39;s the genius of Johnny Cash, and that&#39;s what the gospel is ultimately all about.Johnny Cash sang about and for people on the margins. He famously played concerts in prisons, where he sang both murder ballads and gospel tunes in the same set. It&#39;s this juxtaposition between light and dark, writes Richard Beck, that makes Cash one of the most authentic theologians in memory. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1506433766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Trains, Jesus, and Murder</a>, Beck explores the theology of Johnny Cash by investigating a dozen of Cash&#39;s songs. In reflecting on Cash&#39;s lyrics, and the passion with which he sang them, we gain a deeper understanding of the enduring faith of the Man in Black.</p><p>Special Guest: Richard Beck.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 200: The Unspoken, with Bob Holman</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2019 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. LIFE POEM and THE UNSPOKEN serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Poem-Bob-Holman/dp/1936411547" rel="nofollow">LIFE POEM </a>and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/UnSpoken-Bob-Holman-Word-Movement/dp/1936411571/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Bob+Holman+the+unspoken&qid=1575579603&s=books&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">THE UNSPOKEN</a> serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne.</p>

<p>LIFE POEM is a recently rediscovered book-length poem Holman wrote at age 21, new to poetry and first in its thrall. Filled with “jounce and pounce,” as Gwendolyn Brooks says, it’s a hippy diary full of communes, Vietnam, romance, and a driving love for language that ended up lasting a lifetime. THE UNSPOKEN is a collection of recent works, written by Holman, A WIDOWER in his 70s, still devoted to poetry, but now with decades of experience, memories, and loss to inform it. There are poems of all sorts: personal, confessional, poems set to music, poems that are meant to be shouted or whispered; there are poems addressed to his late wife, the painter Elizabeth Murray, to their children, and to the countless artists and poets he’s encountered over the last half century.</p>

<p>The books show the roots of Holman’s own personal mix of Appalachian storytelling, spoken-word poetry bravado, and New York whimsy and humor. Both poems are a raucous celebration of a life lived as art, and an invitation to the reader to join the party. In the words of poet Naomi Shihab Nye, &quot;His life gusto and poetry voice keep the world turning.”</p><p>Special Guest: Bob Holman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Poem-Bob-Holman/dp/1936411547" rel="nofollow">LIFE POEM </a>and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/UnSpoken-Bob-Holman-Word-Movement/dp/1936411571/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Bob+Holman+the+unspoken&qid=1575579603&s=books&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">THE UNSPOKEN</a> serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne.</p>

<p>LIFE POEM is a recently rediscovered book-length poem Holman wrote at age 21, new to poetry and first in its thrall. Filled with “jounce and pounce,” as Gwendolyn Brooks says, it’s a hippy diary full of communes, Vietnam, romance, and a driving love for language that ended up lasting a lifetime. THE UNSPOKEN is a collection of recent works, written by Holman, A WIDOWER in his 70s, still devoted to poetry, but now with decades of experience, memories, and loss to inform it. There are poems of all sorts: personal, confessional, poems set to music, poems that are meant to be shouted or whispered; there are poems addressed to his late wife, the painter Elizabeth Murray, to their children, and to the countless artists and poets he’s encountered over the last half century.</p>

<p>The books show the roots of Holman’s own personal mix of Appalachian storytelling, spoken-word poetry bravado, and New York whimsy and humor. Both poems are a raucous celebration of a life lived as art, and an invitation to the reader to join the party. In the words of poet Naomi Shihab Nye, &quot;His life gusto and poetry voice keep the world turning.”</p><p>Special Guest: Bob Holman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bob Holman. On December 3, 2019, Bowery Books simultaneously released two new books of poetry by Bob Holman—written 50 years apart. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Life-Poem-Bob-Holman/dp/1936411547" rel="nofollow">LIFE POEM </a>and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/UnSpoken-Bob-Holman-Word-Movement/dp/1936411571/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Bob+Holman+the+unspoken&qid=1575579603&s=books&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">THE UNSPOKEN</a> serve not only as bookends to a lifetime immersed in words, performance, and the avant garde, but they also show the evolution of an artist, an art form, and a downtown art scene that’s gone from Allen Ginsberg to Lou Reed to Eileen Myles to Mahogany L. Browne.</p>

<p>LIFE POEM is a recently rediscovered book-length poem Holman wrote at age 21, new to poetry and first in its thrall. Filled with “jounce and pounce,” as Gwendolyn Brooks says, it’s a hippy diary full of communes, Vietnam, romance, and a driving love for language that ended up lasting a lifetime. THE UNSPOKEN is a collection of recent works, written by Holman, A WIDOWER in his 70s, still devoted to poetry, but now with decades of experience, memories, and loss to inform it. There are poems of all sorts: personal, confessional, poems set to music, poems that are meant to be shouted or whispered; there are poems addressed to his late wife, the painter Elizabeth Murray, to their children, and to the countless artists and poets he’s encountered over the last half century.</p>

<p>The books show the roots of Holman’s own personal mix of Appalachian storytelling, spoken-word poetry bravado, and New York whimsy and humor. Both poems are a raucous celebration of a life lived as art, and an invitation to the reader to join the party. In the words of poet Naomi Shihab Nye, &quot;His life gusto and poetry voice keep the world turning.”</p><p>Special Guest: Bob Holman.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 199: How to Start a Revolution: Young People and the Future of American Politics, with Lauren Duca</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 11:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Lauren Duca. Her new book is "How to Start a Revolution: Young People and the Future of American Politics." In it this Teen Vogue award-winning columnist shares a smart and funny guide for challenging the status quo in a much-needed reminder that young people are the ones who will change the world.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lauren Duca. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Start-Revolution-American-Politics/dp/1501181637" rel="nofollow">How to Start a Revolution: Young People and the Future of American Politic</a>s. In it this Teen Vogue award-winning columnist shares a smart and funny guide for challenging the status quo in a much-needed reminder that young people are the ones who will change the world.</p>

<p>Duca investigates and explains the issues at the root of our ailing political system and reimagines what an equitable democracy would look like. It begins with young people getting involved. People like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the youngest woman ever to be elected to Congress; David and Lauren Hogg, two survivors of the Parkland, Florida shooting who went on to become advocates for gun control; Amanda Litman, who founded the nonprofit organization Run For Something, to assist progressive young people in down ballot elections; and many more.</p>

<p>Called “the millennial feminist warrior queen of social media” by Ariel Levy and “a national newsmaker” by The New York Times, Dan Rather agrees “we need fresh, intelligent, and creative voices—like Lauren’s—now as much—perhaps more—than ever before.” Here, Duca combines extensive research and first-person reporting to track her generation’s shift from political alienation to political participation. Throughout, she also draws on her own story as a young woman catapulted to the front lines of the political conversation (all while figuring out how to deal with her Trump-supporting parents).</p>

<p>Lauren Duca is an award-winning journalist best known for her massively viral piece “Donald Trump is Gaslighting America” in Teen Vogue and an interview with Tucker Carlson. Her writing can be found in The New York Times, The New Yorker, and New York magazine, as well as in her ongoing column for Teen Vogue: “Thigh-High Politics.” She graduated from Fordham University and holds a masters from New York University, where she is currently a visiting scholar at the Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute. She’s mostly just trying to get you to follow her on Twitter: @LaurenDuca..</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Duca.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lauren Duca. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Start-Revolution-American-Politics/dp/1501181637" rel="nofollow">How to Start a Revolution: Young People and the Future of American Politic</a>s. In it this Teen Vogue award-winning columnist shares a smart and funny guide for challenging the status quo in a much-needed reminder that young people are the ones who will change the world.</p>

<p>Duca investigates and explains the issues at the root of our ailing political system and reimagines what an equitable democracy would look like. It begins with young people getting involved. People like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the youngest woman ever to be elected to Congress; David and Lauren Hogg, two survivors of the Parkland, Florida shooting who went on to become advocates for gun control; Amanda Litman, who founded the nonprofit organization Run For Something, to assist progressive young people in down ballot elections; and many more.</p>

<p>Called “the millennial feminist warrior queen of social media” by Ariel Levy and “a national newsmaker” by The New York Times, Dan Rather agrees “we need fresh, intelligent, and creative voices—like Lauren’s—now as much—perhaps more—than ever before.” Here, Duca combines extensive research and first-person reporting to track her generation’s shift from political alienation to political participation. Throughout, she also draws on her own story as a young woman catapulted to the front lines of the political conversation (all while figuring out how to deal with her Trump-supporting parents).</p>

<p>Lauren Duca is an award-winning journalist best known for her massively viral piece “Donald Trump is Gaslighting America” in Teen Vogue and an interview with Tucker Carlson. Her writing can be found in The New York Times, The New Yorker, and New York magazine, as well as in her ongoing column for Teen Vogue: “Thigh-High Politics.” She graduated from Fordham University and holds a masters from New York University, where she is currently a visiting scholar at the Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute. She’s mostly just trying to get you to follow her on Twitter: @LaurenDuca..</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Duca.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lauren Duca. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Start-Revolution-American-Politics/dp/1501181637" rel="nofollow">How to Start a Revolution: Young People and the Future of American Politic</a>s. In it this Teen Vogue award-winning columnist shares a smart and funny guide for challenging the status quo in a much-needed reminder that young people are the ones who will change the world.</p>

<p>Duca investigates and explains the issues at the root of our ailing political system and reimagines what an equitable democracy would look like. It begins with young people getting involved. People like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the youngest woman ever to be elected to Congress; David and Lauren Hogg, two survivors of the Parkland, Florida shooting who went on to become advocates for gun control; Amanda Litman, who founded the nonprofit organization Run For Something, to assist progressive young people in down ballot elections; and many more.</p>

<p>Called “the millennial feminist warrior queen of social media” by Ariel Levy and “a national newsmaker” by The New York Times, Dan Rather agrees “we need fresh, intelligent, and creative voices—like Lauren’s—now as much—perhaps more—than ever before.” Here, Duca combines extensive research and first-person reporting to track her generation’s shift from political alienation to political participation. Throughout, she also draws on her own story as a young woman catapulted to the front lines of the political conversation (all while figuring out how to deal with her Trump-supporting parents).</p>

<p>Lauren Duca is an award-winning journalist best known for her massively viral piece “Donald Trump is Gaslighting America” in Teen Vogue and an interview with Tucker Carlson. Her writing can be found in The New York Times, The New Yorker, and New York magazine, as well as in her ongoing column for Teen Vogue: “Thigh-High Politics.” She graduated from Fordham University and holds a masters from New York University, where she is currently a visiting scholar at the Arthur L. Carter Journalism Institute. She’s mostly just trying to get you to follow her on Twitter: @LaurenDuca..</p><p>Special Guest: Lauren Duca.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 198: Modern Technology and the Human Future, with Craig Gay</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Craig M. Gay. His newest book is "Modern Technology and the Human Future: A Christian Appraisal." Technology is not neutral. From the plow to the printing press, technology has always shaped human life and informed our understanding of what it means to be human. And advances in modern technology, from computers to smartphones, have yielded tremendous benefits. But do these developments actually encourage human flourishing? Craig Gay raises concerns about the theological implications of modern technologies and of philosophical movements such as transhumanism.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:16</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Craig M. Gay. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Technology-Human-Future-Christian/dp/0830852204" rel="nofollow">Modern Technology and the Human Future: A Christian Appraisal.</a> Technology is not neutral. From the plow to the printing press, technology has always shaped human life and informed our understanding of what it means to be human. And advances in modern technology, from computers to smartphones, have yielded tremendous benefits. But do these developments actually encourage human flourishing? Craig Gay raises concerns about the theological implications of modern technologies and of philosophical movements such as transhumanism. In response, he turns to a classical affirmation of the Christian faith: Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, took on human flesh. By exploring the doctrine of the incarnation and what it means for our embodiment, Gay offers a course correction to the path of modern technology without asking us to unplug completely. Gay demonstrates that the doctrine of the incarnation is not neutral either. It presents an alternative vision for the future of humanity.</p><p>Special Guest: Craig M. Gay.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Craig M. Gay. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Technology-Human-Future-Christian/dp/0830852204" rel="nofollow">Modern Technology and the Human Future: A Christian Appraisal.</a> Technology is not neutral. From the plow to the printing press, technology has always shaped human life and informed our understanding of what it means to be human. And advances in modern technology, from computers to smartphones, have yielded tremendous benefits. But do these developments actually encourage human flourishing? Craig Gay raises concerns about the theological implications of modern technologies and of philosophical movements such as transhumanism. In response, he turns to a classical affirmation of the Christian faith: Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, took on human flesh. By exploring the doctrine of the incarnation and what it means for our embodiment, Gay offers a course correction to the path of modern technology without asking us to unplug completely. Gay demonstrates that the doctrine of the incarnation is not neutral either. It presents an alternative vision for the future of humanity.</p><p>Special Guest: Craig M. Gay.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Craig M. Gay. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Technology-Human-Future-Christian/dp/0830852204" rel="nofollow">Modern Technology and the Human Future: A Christian Appraisal.</a> Technology is not neutral. From the plow to the printing press, technology has always shaped human life and informed our understanding of what it means to be human. And advances in modern technology, from computers to smartphones, have yielded tremendous benefits. But do these developments actually encourage human flourishing? Craig Gay raises concerns about the theological implications of modern technologies and of philosophical movements such as transhumanism. In response, he turns to a classical affirmation of the Christian faith: Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, took on human flesh. By exploring the doctrine of the incarnation and what it means for our embodiment, Gay offers a course correction to the path of modern technology without asking us to unplug completely. Gay demonstrates that the doctrine of the incarnation is not neutral either. It presents an alternative vision for the future of humanity.</p><p>Special Guest: Craig M. Gay.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 197: Revolution of Values, with Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove. His newest book is "Revolution of Values: Reclaiming Public Faith for the Common Good." In it he argues that the religious Right taught America to misread the Bible. Christians have misused Scripture to consolidate power, stoke fears, and defend against enemies. But people who have been hurt by the attacks of Christian nationalism can help us rediscover God's vision for faith in public life. Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove explores how religious culture wars have misrepresented Christianity at the expense of the poor, and how listening to marginalized communities can help us hear God's call to love and justice in the world. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Values-Reclaiming-Public-Common/dp/0830845933/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1573571953&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Revolution of Values: Reclaiming Public Faith for the Common Good</a>. In it he argues that the religious Right taught America to misread the Bible. Christians have misused Scripture to consolidate power, stoke fears, and defend against enemies. But people who have been hurt by the attacks of Christian nationalism can help us rediscover God&#39;s vision for faith in public life. Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove explores how religious culture wars have misrepresented Christianity at the expense of the poor, and how listening to marginalized communities can help us hear God&#39;s call to love and justice in the world. He highlights people on the frontlines of issues ranging from immigration policy and voting rights to women&#39;s rights and environmental stewardship. Through these narratives, we encounter a recovery of values that upholds the dignity of all people. Rediscover hope for faithful public witness that serves the common good. Join the revolution.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Values-Reclaiming-Public-Common/dp/0830845933/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1573571953&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Revolution of Values: Reclaiming Public Faith for the Common Good</a>. In it he argues that the religious Right taught America to misread the Bible. Christians have misused Scripture to consolidate power, stoke fears, and defend against enemies. But people who have been hurt by the attacks of Christian nationalism can help us rediscover God&#39;s vision for faith in public life. Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove explores how religious culture wars have misrepresented Christianity at the expense of the poor, and how listening to marginalized communities can help us hear God&#39;s call to love and justice in the world. He highlights people on the frontlines of issues ranging from immigration policy and voting rights to women&#39;s rights and environmental stewardship. Through these narratives, we encounter a recovery of values that upholds the dignity of all people. Rediscover hope for faithful public witness that serves the common good. Join the revolution.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Values-Reclaiming-Public-Common/dp/0830845933/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1573571953&sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Revolution of Values: Reclaiming Public Faith for the Common Good</a>. In it he argues that the religious Right taught America to misread the Bible. Christians have misused Scripture to consolidate power, stoke fears, and defend against enemies. But people who have been hurt by the attacks of Christian nationalism can help us rediscover God&#39;s vision for faith in public life. Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove explores how religious culture wars have misrepresented Christianity at the expense of the poor, and how listening to marginalized communities can help us hear God&#39;s call to love and justice in the world. He highlights people on the frontlines of issues ranging from immigration policy and voting rights to women&#39;s rights and environmental stewardship. Through these narratives, we encounter a recovery of values that upholds the dignity of all people. Rediscover hope for faithful public witness that serves the common good. Join the revolution.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 196: Why We Need the Electoral College, with Tara Ross</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Tara Ross. She is the author of "Why We Need the Electoral College." Is the Electoral College anti-democratic?  Some would say yes. After all, the presidential candidate with the most popular votes has nevertheless lost the election at least three times, including 2016. To some Americans, that’s a scandal. They believe the Electoral College is an intolerable flaw in the Constitution, a relic of a bygone era that ought to have been purged long ago. But that would be a terrible mistake, warns Tara Ross in this vigorous defense of “the indispensable Electoral College.” Far from an obstacle to enlightened democracy, Ross argues, the Electoral College is one of the guardrails ensuring the stability of the American Republic.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>50:27</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Tara Ross. She is the author of &quot;Why We Need the Electoral College.&quot; Is the Electoral College anti-democratic?  Some would say yes. After all, the presidential candidate with the most popular votes has nevertheless lost the election at least three times, including 2016. To some Americans, that’s a scandal. They believe the Electoral College is an intolerable flaw in the Constitution, a relic of a bygone era that ought to have been purged long ago. But that would be a terrible mistake, warns Tara Ross in this vigorous defense of “the indispensable Electoral College.” Far from an obstacle to enlightened democracy, Ross argues, the Electoral College is one of the guardrails ensuring the stability of the American Republic.</p>

<p>In this lively and instructive primer, Tara Ross explains:<br>
Why the Founders established the Electoral College—and why they thought it vital to the Constitution<br>
Why the Electoral College was meant to be more important than the popular vote<br>
How the Electoral College prevents political crises after tight elections<br>
Why the Electoral College doesn’t favor one party over the other<br>
Why the states are the driving force behind presidential elections and how efforts to centralize the process have led to divisiveness and discontent<br>
Why the Electoral College is inappropriately labeled a “relic of slavery”</p><p>Special Guest: Tara Ross.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Tara Ross. She is the author of &quot;Why We Need the Electoral College.&quot; Is the Electoral College anti-democratic?  Some would say yes. After all, the presidential candidate with the most popular votes has nevertheless lost the election at least three times, including 2016. To some Americans, that’s a scandal. They believe the Electoral College is an intolerable flaw in the Constitution, a relic of a bygone era that ought to have been purged long ago. But that would be a terrible mistake, warns Tara Ross in this vigorous defense of “the indispensable Electoral College.” Far from an obstacle to enlightened democracy, Ross argues, the Electoral College is one of the guardrails ensuring the stability of the American Republic.</p>

<p>In this lively and instructive primer, Tara Ross explains:<br>
Why the Founders established the Electoral College—and why they thought it vital to the Constitution<br>
Why the Electoral College was meant to be more important than the popular vote<br>
How the Electoral College prevents political crises after tight elections<br>
Why the Electoral College doesn’t favor one party over the other<br>
Why the states are the driving force behind presidential elections and how efforts to centralize the process have led to divisiveness and discontent<br>
Why the Electoral College is inappropriately labeled a “relic of slavery”</p><p>Special Guest: Tara Ross.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Tara Ross. She is the author of &quot;Why We Need the Electoral College.&quot; Is the Electoral College anti-democratic?  Some would say yes. After all, the presidential candidate with the most popular votes has nevertheless lost the election at least three times, including 2016. To some Americans, that’s a scandal. They believe the Electoral College is an intolerable flaw in the Constitution, a relic of a bygone era that ought to have been purged long ago. But that would be a terrible mistake, warns Tara Ross in this vigorous defense of “the indispensable Electoral College.” Far from an obstacle to enlightened democracy, Ross argues, the Electoral College is one of the guardrails ensuring the stability of the American Republic.</p>

<p>In this lively and instructive primer, Tara Ross explains:<br>
Why the Founders established the Electoral College—and why they thought it vital to the Constitution<br>
Why the Electoral College was meant to be more important than the popular vote<br>
How the Electoral College prevents political crises after tight elections<br>
Why the Electoral College doesn’t favor one party over the other<br>
Why the states are the driving force behind presidential elections and how efforts to centralize the process have led to divisiveness and discontent<br>
Why the Electoral College is inappropriately labeled a “relic of slavery”</p><p>Special Guest: Tara Ross.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 195: The Tutor, with Marilee Albert</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 07 Nov 2019 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Marilee Albert. Her new novel is "The Tutor." In it recent Yale grad, Alice, wants to be close to her boyfriend in Paris, with enough space to sow a few oats. Rome fits, so off she goes. Her other goals? To make art and find a muse. Instead, she finds herself a muse to various men―including a TV-host dwarf, lonely banker, alcoholic playboy, aging prince, and the disillusioned Oscar-winning film director, Frank Colucci.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>39:49</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marilee Albert. Her new novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Tutor-Marilee-Albert/dp/1644280345" rel="nofollow">The Tutor</a>. In it recent Yale grad, Alice, wants to be close to her boyfriend in Paris, with enough space to sow a few oats. Rome fits, so off she goes. Her other goals? To make art and find a muse. Instead, she finds herself a muse to various men―including a TV-host dwarf, lonely banker, alcoholic playboy, aging prince, and the disillusioned Oscar-winning film director, Frank Colucci.</p>

<p>The middle-aged Frank is in Rome to film the last of his famed movie series, but longs to get back to making art films. Alice, still wandering Rome, lost and confused, tumbles into Frank’s life, and he hires her as his philosophy tutor.</p>

<p>Although at opposite poles of life with little in common―the bright but broke Alice is just getting started and has few prospects, and the married-with-kids Oscar-winner Frank bored and disillusioned―the two form a bond.</p>

<p>Will this be an older, powerful man using his position to seduce a confused young woman, or something else entirely? And will Alice ever find her way?</p><p>Special Guest: Marilee Albert.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marilee Albert. Her new novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Tutor-Marilee-Albert/dp/1644280345" rel="nofollow">The Tutor</a>. In it recent Yale grad, Alice, wants to be close to her boyfriend in Paris, with enough space to sow a few oats. Rome fits, so off she goes. Her other goals? To make art and find a muse. Instead, she finds herself a muse to various men―including a TV-host dwarf, lonely banker, alcoholic playboy, aging prince, and the disillusioned Oscar-winning film director, Frank Colucci.</p>

<p>The middle-aged Frank is in Rome to film the last of his famed movie series, but longs to get back to making art films. Alice, still wandering Rome, lost and confused, tumbles into Frank’s life, and he hires her as his philosophy tutor.</p>

<p>Although at opposite poles of life with little in common―the bright but broke Alice is just getting started and has few prospects, and the married-with-kids Oscar-winner Frank bored and disillusioned―the two form a bond.</p>

<p>Will this be an older, powerful man using his position to seduce a confused young woman, or something else entirely? And will Alice ever find her way?</p><p>Special Guest: Marilee Albert.</p>]]>
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<p>The middle-aged Frank is in Rome to film the last of his famed movie series, but longs to get back to making art films. Alice, still wandering Rome, lost and confused, tumbles into Frank’s life, and he hires her as his philosophy tutor.</p>

<p>Although at opposite poles of life with little in common―the bright but broke Alice is just getting started and has few prospects, and the married-with-kids Oscar-winner Frank bored and disillusioned―the two form a bond.</p>

<p>Will this be an older, powerful man using his position to seduce a confused young woman, or something else entirely? And will Alice ever find her way?</p><p>Special Guest: Marilee Albert.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 194: Here All Along: Finding Meaning, Spirituality, and a Deeper Connection to Life--in Judaism (After Finally Choosing to Look There), with Sarah Hurwitz </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Sarah Hurwitz. Her new book is "Here All Along: Finding Meaning, Spirituality, and a Deeper Connection to Life--in Judaism (After Finally Choosing to Look There)." After a decade as a political speechwriter—serving as head speechwriter for First Lady Michelle Obama, a senior speechwriter for President Barack Obama, and chief speechwriter for Hillary Clinton on her 2008 presidential campaign—Sarah Hurwitz decided to apply her skills as a communicator to writing a book . . . about Judaism. And no one is more surprised than she is.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:04:12</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Sarah Hurwitz. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Here-All-Along-Spirituality-Life/dp/0525510710" rel="nofollow">Here All Along: Finding Meaning, Spirituality, and a Deeper Connection to Life--in Judaism (After Finally Choosing to Look There)</a>. After a decade as a political speechwriter—serving as head speechwriter for First Lady Michelle Obama, a senior speechwriter for President Barack Obama, and chief speechwriter for Hillary Clinton on her 2008 presidential campaign—Sarah Hurwitz decided to apply her skills as a communicator to writing a book . . . about Judaism. And no one is more surprised than she is.</p>

<p>Hurwitz was the quintessential lapsed Jew—until, at age thirty-six, after a tough breakup, she happened upon an advertisement for an introductory class on Judaism. She attended on a whim, but was blown away by what she found: beautiful rituals, helpful guidance on living an ethical life, conceptions of God beyond the judgy bearded man in the sky—none of which she had learned in Hebrew school or during the two synagogue services she grudgingly attended each year. That class led to a years-long journey during which Hurwitz visited the offices of rabbis, attended Jewish meditation retreats, sat at the Shabbat tables of Orthodox families, and read hundreds of books about Judaism—all in dogged pursuit of answers to her biggest questions. What she found transformed her life, and she wondered: How could there be such a gap between the richness of what Judaism offers and the way so many Jews like her understand and experience it?</p>

<p>Sarah Hurwitz is on a mission to close this gap by sharing the profound insights she discovered on everything from Jewish holidays, ethics, and prayer to Jewish conceptions of God, death, and social justice. In this entertaining and accessible book, she shows us why Judaism matters and how its message is more relevant than ever, and she inspires Jews to do the learning, questioning, and debating required to make this religion their own.</p><p>Special Guest: Sarah Hurwitz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Sarah Hurwitz. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Here-All-Along-Spirituality-Life/dp/0525510710" rel="nofollow">Here All Along: Finding Meaning, Spirituality, and a Deeper Connection to Life--in Judaism (After Finally Choosing to Look There)</a>. After a decade as a political speechwriter—serving as head speechwriter for First Lady Michelle Obama, a senior speechwriter for President Barack Obama, and chief speechwriter for Hillary Clinton on her 2008 presidential campaign—Sarah Hurwitz decided to apply her skills as a communicator to writing a book . . . about Judaism. And no one is more surprised than she is.</p>

<p>Hurwitz was the quintessential lapsed Jew—until, at age thirty-six, after a tough breakup, she happened upon an advertisement for an introductory class on Judaism. She attended on a whim, but was blown away by what she found: beautiful rituals, helpful guidance on living an ethical life, conceptions of God beyond the judgy bearded man in the sky—none of which she had learned in Hebrew school or during the two synagogue services she grudgingly attended each year. That class led to a years-long journey during which Hurwitz visited the offices of rabbis, attended Jewish meditation retreats, sat at the Shabbat tables of Orthodox families, and read hundreds of books about Judaism—all in dogged pursuit of answers to her biggest questions. What she found transformed her life, and she wondered: How could there be such a gap between the richness of what Judaism offers and the way so many Jews like her understand and experience it?</p>

<p>Sarah Hurwitz is on a mission to close this gap by sharing the profound insights she discovered on everything from Jewish holidays, ethics, and prayer to Jewish conceptions of God, death, and social justice. In this entertaining and accessible book, she shows us why Judaism matters and how its message is more relevant than ever, and she inspires Jews to do the learning, questioning, and debating required to make this religion their own.</p><p>Special Guest: Sarah Hurwitz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Sarah Hurwitz. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Here-All-Along-Spirituality-Life/dp/0525510710" rel="nofollow">Here All Along: Finding Meaning, Spirituality, and a Deeper Connection to Life--in Judaism (After Finally Choosing to Look There)</a>. After a decade as a political speechwriter—serving as head speechwriter for First Lady Michelle Obama, a senior speechwriter for President Barack Obama, and chief speechwriter for Hillary Clinton on her 2008 presidential campaign—Sarah Hurwitz decided to apply her skills as a communicator to writing a book . . . about Judaism. And no one is more surprised than she is.</p>

<p>Hurwitz was the quintessential lapsed Jew—until, at age thirty-six, after a tough breakup, she happened upon an advertisement for an introductory class on Judaism. She attended on a whim, but was blown away by what she found: beautiful rituals, helpful guidance on living an ethical life, conceptions of God beyond the judgy bearded man in the sky—none of which she had learned in Hebrew school or during the two synagogue services she grudgingly attended each year. That class led to a years-long journey during which Hurwitz visited the offices of rabbis, attended Jewish meditation retreats, sat at the Shabbat tables of Orthodox families, and read hundreds of books about Judaism—all in dogged pursuit of answers to her biggest questions. What she found transformed her life, and she wondered: How could there be such a gap between the richness of what Judaism offers and the way so many Jews like her understand and experience it?</p>

<p>Sarah Hurwitz is on a mission to close this gap by sharing the profound insights she discovered on everything from Jewish holidays, ethics, and prayer to Jewish conceptions of God, death, and social justice. In this entertaining and accessible book, she shows us why Judaism matters and how its message is more relevant than ever, and she inspires Jews to do the learning, questioning, and debating required to make this religion their own.</p><p>Special Guest: Sarah Hurwitz.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 193: How Charts Lie, with Alberto Cairo </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2019 18:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Alberto Cairo. His new book is "How Charts Lie: Getting Smarter about Visual Information." In it this leading data visualization expert explores the negative―and positive―influences that charts have on our perception of truth. We’ve all heard that a picture is worth a thousand words, but what if we don’t understand what we’re looking at? Social media has made charts, infographics, and diagrams ubiquitous―and easier to share than ever. We associate charts with science and reason; the flashy visuals are both appealing and persuasive. Pie charts, maps, bar and line graphs, and scatter plots (to name a few) can better inform us, revealing patterns and trends hidden behind the numbers we encounter in our lives. In short, good charts make us smarter―if we know how to read them.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:00</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alberto Cairo. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Charts-Lie-Getting-Information/dp/1324001569/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=how+charts+lie&qid=1572474634&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">How Charts Lie: Getting Smarter about Visual Information</a>. In it this leading data visualization expert explores the negative―and positive―influences that charts have on our perception of truth. We’ve all heard that a picture is worth a thousand words, but what if we don’t understand what we’re looking at? Social media has made charts, infographics, and diagrams ubiquitous―and easier to share than ever. We associate charts with science and reason; the flashy visuals are both appealing and persuasive. Pie charts, maps, bar and line graphs, and scatter plots (to name a few) can better inform us, revealing patterns and trends hidden behind the numbers we encounter in our lives. In short, good charts make us smarter―if we know how to read them.</p>

<p>However, they can also lead us astray. Charts lie in a variety of ways―displaying incomplete or inaccurate data, suggesting misleading patterns, and concealing uncertainty―or are frequently misunderstood, such as the confusing cone of uncertainty maps shown on TV every hurricane season. To make matters worse, many of us are ill-equipped to interpret the visuals that politicians, journalists, advertisers, and even our employers present each day, enabling bad actors to easily manipulate them to promote their own agendas.</p>

<p>In How Charts Lie, data visualization expert Alberto Cairo teaches us to not only spot the lies in deceptive visuals, but also to take advantage of good ones to understand complex stories. Public conversations are increasingly propelled by numbers, and to make sense of them we must be able to decode and use visual information. By examining contemporary examples ranging from election-result infographics to global GDP maps and box-office record charts, How Charts Lie demystifies an essential new literacy, one that will make us better equipped to navigate our data-driven world.</p><p>Special Guest: Alberto Cairo.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alberto Cairo. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Charts-Lie-Getting-Information/dp/1324001569/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=how+charts+lie&qid=1572474634&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">How Charts Lie: Getting Smarter about Visual Information</a>. In it this leading data visualization expert explores the negative―and positive―influences that charts have on our perception of truth. We’ve all heard that a picture is worth a thousand words, but what if we don’t understand what we’re looking at? Social media has made charts, infographics, and diagrams ubiquitous―and easier to share than ever. We associate charts with science and reason; the flashy visuals are both appealing and persuasive. Pie charts, maps, bar and line graphs, and scatter plots (to name a few) can better inform us, revealing patterns and trends hidden behind the numbers we encounter in our lives. In short, good charts make us smarter―if we know how to read them.</p>

<p>However, they can also lead us astray. Charts lie in a variety of ways―displaying incomplete or inaccurate data, suggesting misleading patterns, and concealing uncertainty―or are frequently misunderstood, such as the confusing cone of uncertainty maps shown on TV every hurricane season. To make matters worse, many of us are ill-equipped to interpret the visuals that politicians, journalists, advertisers, and even our employers present each day, enabling bad actors to easily manipulate them to promote their own agendas.</p>

<p>In How Charts Lie, data visualization expert Alberto Cairo teaches us to not only spot the lies in deceptive visuals, but also to take advantage of good ones to understand complex stories. Public conversations are increasingly propelled by numbers, and to make sense of them we must be able to decode and use visual information. By examining contemporary examples ranging from election-result infographics to global GDP maps and box-office record charts, How Charts Lie demystifies an essential new literacy, one that will make us better equipped to navigate our data-driven world.</p><p>Special Guest: Alberto Cairo.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alberto Cairo. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Charts-Lie-Getting-Information/dp/1324001569/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=how+charts+lie&qid=1572474634&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">How Charts Lie: Getting Smarter about Visual Information</a>. In it this leading data visualization expert explores the negative―and positive―influences that charts have on our perception of truth. We’ve all heard that a picture is worth a thousand words, but what if we don’t understand what we’re looking at? Social media has made charts, infographics, and diagrams ubiquitous―and easier to share than ever. We associate charts with science and reason; the flashy visuals are both appealing and persuasive. Pie charts, maps, bar and line graphs, and scatter plots (to name a few) can better inform us, revealing patterns and trends hidden behind the numbers we encounter in our lives. In short, good charts make us smarter―if we know how to read them.</p>

<p>However, they can also lead us astray. Charts lie in a variety of ways―displaying incomplete or inaccurate data, suggesting misleading patterns, and concealing uncertainty―or are frequently misunderstood, such as the confusing cone of uncertainty maps shown on TV every hurricane season. To make matters worse, many of us are ill-equipped to interpret the visuals that politicians, journalists, advertisers, and even our employers present each day, enabling bad actors to easily manipulate them to promote their own agendas.</p>

<p>In How Charts Lie, data visualization expert Alberto Cairo teaches us to not only spot the lies in deceptive visuals, but also to take advantage of good ones to understand complex stories. Public conversations are increasingly propelled by numbers, and to make sense of them we must be able to decode and use visual information. By examining contemporary examples ranging from election-result infographics to global GDP maps and box-office record charts, How Charts Lie demystifies an essential new literacy, one that will make us better equipped to navigate our data-driven world.</p><p>Special Guest: Alberto Cairo.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 192: The Fire Is Upon Us, with Nicholas Buccola</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2019 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Nicholas Buccola. His new book is "The Fire Is upon Us: James Baldwin, William F. Buckley Jr., and the Debate over Race in America." On February 18, 1965, an overflowing crowd packed the Cambridge Union in Cambridge, England, to witness a historic televised debate between James Baldwin, the leading literary voice of the civil rights movement, and William F. Buckley Jr., a fierce critic of the movement and America's most influential conservative intellectual. The topic was "the American dream is at the expense of the American Negro," and no one who has seen the debate can soon forget it. Nicholas Buccola's The Fire Is upon Us is the first book to tell the full story of the event, the radically different paths that led Baldwin and Buckley to it, the controversies that followed, and how the debate and the decades-long clash between the men continues to illuminate America's racial divide today.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nicholas Buccola. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fire-upon-Us-Baldwin-William/dp/0691181543" rel="nofollow">The Fire Is upon Us: James Baldwin, William F. Buckley Jr., and the Debate over Race in America</a>. On February 18, 1965, an overflowing crowd packed the Cambridge Union in Cambridge, England, to witness a historic televised debate between James Baldwin, the leading literary voice of the civil rights movement, and William F. Buckley Jr., a fierce critic of the movement and America&#39;s most influential conservative intellectual. The topic was &quot;the American dream is at the expense of the American Negro,&quot; and no one who has seen the debate can soon forget it. Nicholas Buccola&#39;s The Fire Is upon Us is the first book to tell the full story of the event, the radically different paths that led Baldwin and Buckley to it, the controversies that followed, and how the debate and the decades-long clash between the men continues to illuminate America&#39;s racial divide today.</p>

<p>Born in New York City only fifteen months apart, the Harlem-raised Baldwin and the privileged Buckley could not have been more different, but they both rose to the height of American intellectual life during the civil rights movement. By the time they met in Cambridge, Buckley was determined to sound the alarm about a man he considered an &quot;eloquent menace.&quot; For his part, Baldwin viewed Buckley as a deluded reactionary whose popularity revealed the sickness of the American soul. The stage was set for an epic confrontation that pitted Baldwin&#39;s call for a moral revolution in race relations against Buckley&#39;s unabashed elitism and implicit commitment to white supremacy.</p>

<p>A remarkable story of race and the American dream, <em>The Fire Is upon Us</em> reveals the deep roots and lasting legacy of a conflict that continues to haunt our politics.</p><p>Special Guest: Nicholas Buccola .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nicholas Buccola. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fire-upon-Us-Baldwin-William/dp/0691181543" rel="nofollow">The Fire Is upon Us: James Baldwin, William F. Buckley Jr., and the Debate over Race in America</a>. On February 18, 1965, an overflowing crowd packed the Cambridge Union in Cambridge, England, to witness a historic televised debate between James Baldwin, the leading literary voice of the civil rights movement, and William F. Buckley Jr., a fierce critic of the movement and America&#39;s most influential conservative intellectual. The topic was &quot;the American dream is at the expense of the American Negro,&quot; and no one who has seen the debate can soon forget it. Nicholas Buccola&#39;s The Fire Is upon Us is the first book to tell the full story of the event, the radically different paths that led Baldwin and Buckley to it, the controversies that followed, and how the debate and the decades-long clash between the men continues to illuminate America&#39;s racial divide today.</p>

<p>Born in New York City only fifteen months apart, the Harlem-raised Baldwin and the privileged Buckley could not have been more different, but they both rose to the height of American intellectual life during the civil rights movement. By the time they met in Cambridge, Buckley was determined to sound the alarm about a man he considered an &quot;eloquent menace.&quot; For his part, Baldwin viewed Buckley as a deluded reactionary whose popularity revealed the sickness of the American soul. The stage was set for an epic confrontation that pitted Baldwin&#39;s call for a moral revolution in race relations against Buckley&#39;s unabashed elitism and implicit commitment to white supremacy.</p>

<p>A remarkable story of race and the American dream, <em>The Fire Is upon Us</em> reveals the deep roots and lasting legacy of a conflict that continues to haunt our politics.</p><p>Special Guest: Nicholas Buccola .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nicholas Buccola. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Fire-upon-Us-Baldwin-William/dp/0691181543" rel="nofollow">The Fire Is upon Us: James Baldwin, William F. Buckley Jr., and the Debate over Race in America</a>. On February 18, 1965, an overflowing crowd packed the Cambridge Union in Cambridge, England, to witness a historic televised debate between James Baldwin, the leading literary voice of the civil rights movement, and William F. Buckley Jr., a fierce critic of the movement and America&#39;s most influential conservative intellectual. The topic was &quot;the American dream is at the expense of the American Negro,&quot; and no one who has seen the debate can soon forget it. Nicholas Buccola&#39;s The Fire Is upon Us is the first book to tell the full story of the event, the radically different paths that led Baldwin and Buckley to it, the controversies that followed, and how the debate and the decades-long clash between the men continues to illuminate America&#39;s racial divide today.</p>

<p>Born in New York City only fifteen months apart, the Harlem-raised Baldwin and the privileged Buckley could not have been more different, but they both rose to the height of American intellectual life during the civil rights movement. By the time they met in Cambridge, Buckley was determined to sound the alarm about a man he considered an &quot;eloquent menace.&quot; For his part, Baldwin viewed Buckley as a deluded reactionary whose popularity revealed the sickness of the American soul. The stage was set for an epic confrontation that pitted Baldwin&#39;s call for a moral revolution in race relations against Buckley&#39;s unabashed elitism and implicit commitment to white supremacy.</p>

<p>A remarkable story of race and the American dream, <em>The Fire Is upon Us</em> reveals the deep roots and lasting legacy of a conflict that continues to haunt our politics.</p><p>Special Guest: Nicholas Buccola .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 191: Only Americans Burn in Hell, with Jarett Kobek</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jarret Kobek. His new book is "Only Americans Burn in Hell." If you still want to play the game of American life, then you had better learn to lie. Kneel before false gods. Pretend to care about the ruling class and their illusions. Keep your head down. Pray that no one sees you...Your world is one of endless interruption and constant despair. This is not the future you were promised.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jarret Kobek. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Only-Americans-Burn-Jarett-Kobek/dp/0578529718/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=only+americans+burn+in+hell&qid=1571353565&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Only Americans Burn in Hell</a>. If you still want to play the game of American life, then you had better learn to lie. Kneel before false gods. Pretend to care about the ruling class and their illusions. Keep your head down. Pray that no one sees you.</p>

<p>Your world is one of endless interruption and constant despair. This is not the future you were promised.</p>

<p>What if someone had navigated the chaos of the Twenty-First Century and solved the puzzle of America&#39;s blinding and relentless informational assault? And what if they had put that solution into a novel that explained everything?</p>

<p>This is Only Americans Burn in Hell, true believer.</p>

<p>Rapturously reviewed in the United Kingdom, it&#39;s your only guide to 2020 and beyond.</p>

<p>Just remember: every suicide needs its note.</p><p>Special Guest: Jarett Kobek.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jarret Kobek. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Only-Americans-Burn-Jarett-Kobek/dp/0578529718/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=only+americans+burn+in+hell&qid=1571353565&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Only Americans Burn in Hell</a>. If you still want to play the game of American life, then you had better learn to lie. Kneel before false gods. Pretend to care about the ruling class and their illusions. Keep your head down. Pray that no one sees you.</p>

<p>Your world is one of endless interruption and constant despair. This is not the future you were promised.</p>

<p>What if someone had navigated the chaos of the Twenty-First Century and solved the puzzle of America&#39;s blinding and relentless informational assault? And what if they had put that solution into a novel that explained everything?</p>

<p>This is Only Americans Burn in Hell, true believer.</p>

<p>Rapturously reviewed in the United Kingdom, it&#39;s your only guide to 2020 and beyond.</p>

<p>Just remember: every suicide needs its note.</p><p>Special Guest: Jarett Kobek.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jarret Kobek. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Only-Americans-Burn-Jarett-Kobek/dp/0578529718/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=only+americans+burn+in+hell&qid=1571353565&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Only Americans Burn in Hell</a>. If you still want to play the game of American life, then you had better learn to lie. Kneel before false gods. Pretend to care about the ruling class and their illusions. Keep your head down. Pray that no one sees you.</p>

<p>Your world is one of endless interruption and constant despair. This is not the future you were promised.</p>

<p>What if someone had navigated the chaos of the Twenty-First Century and solved the puzzle of America&#39;s blinding and relentless informational assault? And what if they had put that solution into a novel that explained everything?</p>

<p>This is Only Americans Burn in Hell, true believer.</p>

<p>Rapturously reviewed in the United Kingdom, it&#39;s your only guide to 2020 and beyond.</p>

<p>Just remember: every suicide needs its note.</p><p>Special Guest: Jarett Kobek.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 190: The Church of Us vs. Them, with David Fitch</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2019 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Fitch. His newest book is "The Church of Us vs. Them: Freedom from a Faith That Feeds on Making Enemies." We are living in angry times. No matter where we go, what we watch, or how we communicate, our culture is rife with conflict. Unfortunately, Christians appear to be caught up in the same animosity as the culture at large. We are perceived as angry, judgmental, and defensive, fighting among ourselves in various media while the world looks on. How have we failed to be a people of reconciliation and renewal in the face of such tumult?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>54:09</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Fitch. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Church-Us-vs-Them-Freedom/dp/1587434148/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+church+of+us+vs+them&qid=1571349899&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Church of Us vs. Them: Freedom from a Faith That Feeds on Making Enemies</a>. We are living in angry times. No matter where we go, what we watch, or how we communicate, our culture is rife with conflict. Unfortunately, Christians appear to be caught up in the same animosity as the culture at large. We are perceived as angry, judgmental, and defensive, fighting among ourselves in various media while the world looks on. How have we failed to be a people of reconciliation and renewal in the face of such tumult?</p>

<p>Claiming that the church has lost itself in the grip of an antagonistic culture, David Fitch takes a close look at what drives the vitriol in our congregations. He traces the enemy-making patterns in church history and diagnoses the divisiveness that marks the contemporary evangelical church. Fitch shows a way for the church to be true to itself, unwinding the antagonisms of our day and making space for Christ&#39;s reconciling presence in our day-to-day lives. He offers new patterns and practices that move the church beyond making enemies to being the presence of Christ in the world, helping us free ourselves from a faith that feeds on division.</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Fitch. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Church-Us-vs-Them-Freedom/dp/1587434148/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+church+of+us+vs+them&qid=1571349899&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Church of Us vs. Them: Freedom from a Faith That Feeds on Making Enemies</a>. We are living in angry times. No matter where we go, what we watch, or how we communicate, our culture is rife with conflict. Unfortunately, Christians appear to be caught up in the same animosity as the culture at large. We are perceived as angry, judgmental, and defensive, fighting among ourselves in various media while the world looks on. How have we failed to be a people of reconciliation and renewal in the face of such tumult?</p>

<p>Claiming that the church has lost itself in the grip of an antagonistic culture, David Fitch takes a close look at what drives the vitriol in our congregations. He traces the enemy-making patterns in church history and diagnoses the divisiveness that marks the contemporary evangelical church. Fitch shows a way for the church to be true to itself, unwinding the antagonisms of our day and making space for Christ&#39;s reconciling presence in our day-to-day lives. He offers new patterns and practices that move the church beyond making enemies to being the presence of Christ in the world, helping us free ourselves from a faith that feeds on division.</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Fitch. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Church-Us-vs-Them-Freedom/dp/1587434148/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+church+of+us+vs+them&qid=1571349899&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Church of Us vs. Them: Freedom from a Faith That Feeds on Making Enemies</a>. We are living in angry times. No matter where we go, what we watch, or how we communicate, our culture is rife with conflict. Unfortunately, Christians appear to be caught up in the same animosity as the culture at large. We are perceived as angry, judgmental, and defensive, fighting among ourselves in various media while the world looks on. How have we failed to be a people of reconciliation and renewal in the face of such tumult?</p>

<p>Claiming that the church has lost itself in the grip of an antagonistic culture, David Fitch takes a close look at what drives the vitriol in our congregations. He traces the enemy-making patterns in church history and diagnoses the divisiveness that marks the contemporary evangelical church. Fitch shows a way for the church to be true to itself, unwinding the antagonisms of our day and making space for Christ&#39;s reconciling presence in our day-to-day lives. He offers new patterns and practices that move the church beyond making enemies to being the presence of Christ in the world, helping us free ourselves from a faith that feeds on division.</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 189: Twelve Lies That Hold America Captive, with Jonathan Walton</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2019 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jonathan Walton. His new book is "Twelve Lies That Hold America Captive: And the Truth That Sets Us Free." "America is a Christian nation." "All men are created equal." "We are the land of the free and the home of the brave." Except when we're not. These commonly held ideas break down in the light of hard realities, the study of Scripture, and faithful Christian witness. The president is not the Messiah, the Constitution is not the Bible, and the United States is not a city on a hill or the hope for the world. The proclaimed hope of America rings most hollow for Native peoples, people of color, the rural poor, and other communities pressed to the margins. Jonathan Walton exposes the cultural myths and misconceptions about America's identity. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Walton. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Twelve-Lies-That-America-Captive/dp/0830845585/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3ND5NDBMY2IYR&keywords=12+lies+that+hold+america+captive&qid=1571347397&sprefix=12+lies+%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Twelve Lies That Hold America Captive: And the Truth That Sets Us Free.</a> &quot;America is a Christian nation.&quot; &quot;All men are created equal.&quot; &quot;We are the land of the free and the home of the brave.&quot; Except when we&#39;re not. These commonly held ideas break down in the light of hard realities, the study of Scripture, and faithful Christian witness. The president is not the Messiah, the Constitution is not the Bible, and the United States is not a city on a hill or the hope for the world. The proclaimed hope of America rings most hollow for Native peoples, people of color, the rural poor, and other communities pressed to the margins. Jonathan Walton exposes the cultural myths and misconceptions about America&#39;s identity. Focusing on its manipulation of Scripture and the person of Jesus, he redirects us to the true promises found in the gospel. Walton identifies how American ideology and way of life has become a false religion, and shows that orienting our lives around American nationalism is idolatry.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Walton.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Walton. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Twelve-Lies-That-America-Captive/dp/0830845585/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3ND5NDBMY2IYR&keywords=12+lies+that+hold+america+captive&qid=1571347397&sprefix=12+lies+%2Caps%2C140&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Twelve Lies That Hold America Captive: And the Truth That Sets Us Free.</a> &quot;America is a Christian nation.&quot; &quot;All men are created equal.&quot; &quot;We are the land of the free and the home of the brave.&quot; Except when we&#39;re not. These commonly held ideas break down in the light of hard realities, the study of Scripture, and faithful Christian witness. The president is not the Messiah, the Constitution is not the Bible, and the United States is not a city on a hill or the hope for the world. The proclaimed hope of America rings most hollow for Native peoples, people of color, the rural poor, and other communities pressed to the margins. Jonathan Walton exposes the cultural myths and misconceptions about America&#39;s identity. Focusing on its manipulation of Scripture and the person of Jesus, he redirects us to the true promises found in the gospel. Walton identifies how American ideology and way of life has become a false religion, and shows that orienting our lives around American nationalism is idolatry.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Walton.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 188: How to Think about War: An Ancient Guide to Foreign Policy, with Johanna Hanink </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Johanna Hanink. Her newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Think-about-War-Ancient/dp/0691190151" rel="nofollow">How to Think about War: An Ancient Guide to Foreign Policy</a> is an accessible modern translation of essential speeches from Thucydides’s History that takes readers to the heart of his profound insights on diplomacy, foreign policy, and war.</p>

<p>Why do nations go to war? What are citizens willing to die for? What justifies foreign invasion? And does might always make right? For nearly 2,500 years, students, politicians, political thinkers, and military leaders have read the eloquent and shrewd speeches in Thucydides’s History of the Peloponnesian War for profound insights into military conflict, diplomacy, and the behavior of people and countries in times of crisis. _How to Think about War _presents the most influential and compelling of these speeches in an elegant new translation by classicist Johanna Hanink, accompanied by an enlightening introduction, informative headnotes, and the original Greek on facing pages. The result is an ideally accessible introduction to Thucydides’s long and challenging History.</p>

<p>Thucydides intended his account of the clash between classical Greece’s mightiest powers―Athens and Sparta―to be a “possession for all time.” Today, it remains a foundational work for the study not only of ancient history but also contemporary politics and international relations. _How to Think about War _features speeches that have earned the History its celebrated status―all of those delivered before the Athenian Assembly, as well as Pericles’s funeral oration and the notoriously ruthless “Melian Dialogue.” Organized by key debates, these complex speeches reveal the recklessness, cruelty, and realpolitik of Athenian warfighting and imperialism.</p>

<p>The first English-language collection of speeches from Thucydides in nearly half a century, How to Think about War takes readers straight to the heart of this timeless thinker.</p><p>Special Guest: Johanna Hanink .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Johanna Hanink. Her newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Think-about-War-Ancient/dp/0691190151" rel="nofollow">How to Think about War: An Ancient Guide to Foreign Policy</a> is an accessible modern translation of essential speeches from Thucydides’s History that takes readers to the heart of his profound insights on diplomacy, foreign policy, and war.</p>

<p>Why do nations go to war? What are citizens willing to die for? What justifies foreign invasion? And does might always make right? For nearly 2,500 years, students, politicians, political thinkers, and military leaders have read the eloquent and shrewd speeches in Thucydides’s History of the Peloponnesian War for profound insights into military conflict, diplomacy, and the behavior of people and countries in times of crisis. _How to Think about War _presents the most influential and compelling of these speeches in an elegant new translation by classicist Johanna Hanink, accompanied by an enlightening introduction, informative headnotes, and the original Greek on facing pages. The result is an ideally accessible introduction to Thucydides’s long and challenging History.</p>

<p>Thucydides intended his account of the clash between classical Greece’s mightiest powers―Athens and Sparta―to be a “possession for all time.” Today, it remains a foundational work for the study not only of ancient history but also contemporary politics and international relations. _How to Think about War _features speeches that have earned the History its celebrated status―all of those delivered before the Athenian Assembly, as well as Pericles’s funeral oration and the notoriously ruthless “Melian Dialogue.” Organized by key debates, these complex speeches reveal the recklessness, cruelty, and realpolitik of Athenian warfighting and imperialism.</p>

<p>The first English-language collection of speeches from Thucydides in nearly half a century, How to Think about War takes readers straight to the heart of this timeless thinker.</p><p>Special Guest: Johanna Hanink .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Johanna Hanink. Her newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Think-about-War-Ancient/dp/0691190151" rel="nofollow">How to Think about War: An Ancient Guide to Foreign Policy</a> is an accessible modern translation of essential speeches from Thucydides’s History that takes readers to the heart of his profound insights on diplomacy, foreign policy, and war.</p>

<p>Why do nations go to war? What are citizens willing to die for? What justifies foreign invasion? And does might always make right? For nearly 2,500 years, students, politicians, political thinkers, and military leaders have read the eloquent and shrewd speeches in Thucydides’s History of the Peloponnesian War for profound insights into military conflict, diplomacy, and the behavior of people and countries in times of crisis. _How to Think about War _presents the most influential and compelling of these speeches in an elegant new translation by classicist Johanna Hanink, accompanied by an enlightening introduction, informative headnotes, and the original Greek on facing pages. The result is an ideally accessible introduction to Thucydides’s long and challenging History.</p>

<p>Thucydides intended his account of the clash between classical Greece’s mightiest powers―Athens and Sparta―to be a “possession for all time.” Today, it remains a foundational work for the study not only of ancient history but also contemporary politics and international relations. _How to Think about War _features speeches that have earned the History its celebrated status―all of those delivered before the Athenian Assembly, as well as Pericles’s funeral oration and the notoriously ruthless “Melian Dialogue.” Organized by key debates, these complex speeches reveal the recklessness, cruelty, and realpolitik of Athenian warfighting and imperialism.</p>

<p>The first English-language collection of speeches from Thucydides in nearly half a century, How to Think about War takes readers straight to the heart of this timeless thinker.</p><p>Special Guest: Johanna Hanink .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 187: Miller's Children: Why Giving Teenage Killers a Second Chance Matters for All of Us, with James Garbarino</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is James Garbarino. His new book is "Miller's Children: Why Giving Teenage Killers a Second Chance Matters for All of Us." It is a passionate and comprehensive look at the human consequences of the US Supreme Court’s decision in the case of Miller v. Alabama, which outlaws mandatory life-without-parole sentences for juvenile murderers. The decision to apply the law retroactively to other cases has provided hope to those convicted of murders as teenagers and had been incarcerated with the expectation that they would never leave prison until their own death as incarcerated adults. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Garbarino. His new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Children-Teenage-Killers-Matters-dp-0520295676/dp/0520295676/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=" rel="nofollow"> Miller&#39;s Children: Why Giving Teenage Killers a Second Chance Matters for All of Us</a>. It is a passionate and comprehensive look at the human consequences of the US Supreme Court’s decision in the case of Miller v. Alabama, which outlaws mandatory life-without-parole sentences for juvenile murderers. The decision to apply the law retroactively to other cases has provided hope to those convicted of murders as teenagers and had been incarcerated with the expectation that they would never leave prison until their own death as incarcerated adults. </p>

<p>Psychological expert witness James Garbarino shares his fieldwork in more than forty resentencing cases of juveniles affected by the Miller decision. Providing a wide-ranging review of current research on human development in adolescence and early adulthood, he shows how studies reveal the adolescent mind’s keen ability for malleability, suggesting the true potential for rehabilitation.</p>

<p>Garbarino focuses on how and why some convicted teenage murderers have been able to accomplish dramatic rehabilitation and transformation, emphasizing the role of education, reflection, mentoring, and spiritual development. With a deft hand, he shows us the prisoners’ world that is filled, first and foremost, with stories of hope amid despair, and moral and psychological recovery in the face of developmental insult and damage. </p><p>Special Guest: James Garbarino .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Garbarino. His new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Children-Teenage-Killers-Matters-dp-0520295676/dp/0520295676/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=" rel="nofollow"> Miller&#39;s Children: Why Giving Teenage Killers a Second Chance Matters for All of Us</a>. It is a passionate and comprehensive look at the human consequences of the US Supreme Court’s decision in the case of Miller v. Alabama, which outlaws mandatory life-without-parole sentences for juvenile murderers. The decision to apply the law retroactively to other cases has provided hope to those convicted of murders as teenagers and had been incarcerated with the expectation that they would never leave prison until their own death as incarcerated adults. </p>

<p>Psychological expert witness James Garbarino shares his fieldwork in more than forty resentencing cases of juveniles affected by the Miller decision. Providing a wide-ranging review of current research on human development in adolescence and early adulthood, he shows how studies reveal the adolescent mind’s keen ability for malleability, suggesting the true potential for rehabilitation.</p>

<p>Garbarino focuses on how and why some convicted teenage murderers have been able to accomplish dramatic rehabilitation and transformation, emphasizing the role of education, reflection, mentoring, and spiritual development. With a deft hand, he shows us the prisoners’ world that is filled, first and foremost, with stories of hope amid despair, and moral and psychological recovery in the face of developmental insult and damage. </p><p>Special Guest: James Garbarino .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Garbarino. His new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Children-Teenage-Killers-Matters-dp-0520295676/dp/0520295676/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=" rel="nofollow"> Miller&#39;s Children: Why Giving Teenage Killers a Second Chance Matters for All of Us</a>. It is a passionate and comprehensive look at the human consequences of the US Supreme Court’s decision in the case of Miller v. Alabama, which outlaws mandatory life-without-parole sentences for juvenile murderers. The decision to apply the law retroactively to other cases has provided hope to those convicted of murders as teenagers and had been incarcerated with the expectation that they would never leave prison until their own death as incarcerated adults. </p>

<p>Psychological expert witness James Garbarino shares his fieldwork in more than forty resentencing cases of juveniles affected by the Miller decision. Providing a wide-ranging review of current research on human development in adolescence and early adulthood, he shows how studies reveal the adolescent mind’s keen ability for malleability, suggesting the true potential for rehabilitation.</p>

<p>Garbarino focuses on how and why some convicted teenage murderers have been able to accomplish dramatic rehabilitation and transformation, emphasizing the role of education, reflection, mentoring, and spiritual development. With a deft hand, he shows us the prisoners’ world that is filled, first and foremost, with stories of hope amid despair, and moral and psychological recovery in the face of developmental insult and damage. </p><p>Special Guest: James Garbarino .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 186: She Has Her Mother's Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity, with Carl Zimmer</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2019 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Carl Zimmer. His newest book is "She Has Her Mother's Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity." In it he presents a profoundly original perspective on what we pass along from generation to generation. Charles Darwin played a crucial part in turning heredity into a scientific question, and yet he failed spectacularly to answer it. The birth of genetics in the early 1900s seemed to do precisely that. Gradually, people translated their old notions about heredity into a language of genes. As the technology for studying genes became cheaper, millions of people ordered genetic tests to link themselves to missing parents, to distant ancestors, to ethnic identities...
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Carl Zimmer. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/She-Has-Her-Mothers-Laugh/dp/1101984597" rel="nofollow">She Has Her Mother&#39;s Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity.</a> In it he presents a profoundly original perspective on what we pass along from generation to generation. Charles Darwin played a crucial part in turning heredity into a scientific question, and yet he failed spectacularly to answer it. The birth of genetics in the early 1900s seemed to do precisely that. Gradually, people translated their old notions about heredity into a language of genes. As the technology for studying genes became cheaper, millions of people ordered genetic tests to link themselves to missing parents, to distant ancestors, to ethnic identities...</p>

<p>But, Zimmer writes, “Each of us carries an amalgam of fragments of DNA, stitched together from some of our many ancestors. Each piece has its own ancestry, traveling a different path back through human history. A particular fragment may sometimes be cause for worry, but most of our DNA influences who we are—our appearance, our height, our penchants—in inconceivably subtle ways.” Heredity isn’t just about genes that pass from parent to child. Heredity continues within our own bodies, as a single cell gives rise to trillions of cells that make up our bodies. We say we inherit genes from our ancestors—using a word that once referred to kingdoms and estates—but we inherit other things that matter as much or more to our lives, from microbes to technologies we use to make life more comfortable. We need a new definition of what heredity is and, through Carl Zimmer’s lucid exposition and storytelling, this resounding tour de force delivers it. </p>

<p>Weaving historical and current scientific research, his own experience with his two daughters, and the kind of original reporting expected of one of the world’s best science journalists, Zimmer ultimately unpacks urgent bioethical quandaries arising from new biomedical technologies, but also long-standing presumptions about who we really are and what we can pass on to future generations.</p><p>Special Guest: Carl Zimmer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Carl Zimmer. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/She-Has-Her-Mothers-Laugh/dp/1101984597" rel="nofollow">She Has Her Mother&#39;s Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity.</a> In it he presents a profoundly original perspective on what we pass along from generation to generation. Charles Darwin played a crucial part in turning heredity into a scientific question, and yet he failed spectacularly to answer it. The birth of genetics in the early 1900s seemed to do precisely that. Gradually, people translated their old notions about heredity into a language of genes. As the technology for studying genes became cheaper, millions of people ordered genetic tests to link themselves to missing parents, to distant ancestors, to ethnic identities...</p>

<p>But, Zimmer writes, “Each of us carries an amalgam of fragments of DNA, stitched together from some of our many ancestors. Each piece has its own ancestry, traveling a different path back through human history. A particular fragment may sometimes be cause for worry, but most of our DNA influences who we are—our appearance, our height, our penchants—in inconceivably subtle ways.” Heredity isn’t just about genes that pass from parent to child. Heredity continues within our own bodies, as a single cell gives rise to trillions of cells that make up our bodies. We say we inherit genes from our ancestors—using a word that once referred to kingdoms and estates—but we inherit other things that matter as much or more to our lives, from microbes to technologies we use to make life more comfortable. We need a new definition of what heredity is and, through Carl Zimmer’s lucid exposition and storytelling, this resounding tour de force delivers it. </p>

<p>Weaving historical and current scientific research, his own experience with his two daughters, and the kind of original reporting expected of one of the world’s best science journalists, Zimmer ultimately unpacks urgent bioethical quandaries arising from new biomedical technologies, but also long-standing presumptions about who we really are and what we can pass on to future generations.</p><p>Special Guest: Carl Zimmer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Carl Zimmer. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/She-Has-Her-Mothers-Laugh/dp/1101984597" rel="nofollow">She Has Her Mother&#39;s Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of Heredity.</a> In it he presents a profoundly original perspective on what we pass along from generation to generation. Charles Darwin played a crucial part in turning heredity into a scientific question, and yet he failed spectacularly to answer it. The birth of genetics in the early 1900s seemed to do precisely that. Gradually, people translated their old notions about heredity into a language of genes. As the technology for studying genes became cheaper, millions of people ordered genetic tests to link themselves to missing parents, to distant ancestors, to ethnic identities...</p>

<p>But, Zimmer writes, “Each of us carries an amalgam of fragments of DNA, stitched together from some of our many ancestors. Each piece has its own ancestry, traveling a different path back through human history. A particular fragment may sometimes be cause for worry, but most of our DNA influences who we are—our appearance, our height, our penchants—in inconceivably subtle ways.” Heredity isn’t just about genes that pass from parent to child. Heredity continues within our own bodies, as a single cell gives rise to trillions of cells that make up our bodies. We say we inherit genes from our ancestors—using a word that once referred to kingdoms and estates—but we inherit other things that matter as much or more to our lives, from microbes to technologies we use to make life more comfortable. We need a new definition of what heredity is and, through Carl Zimmer’s lucid exposition and storytelling, this resounding tour de force delivers it. </p>

<p>Weaving historical and current scientific research, his own experience with his two daughters, and the kind of original reporting expected of one of the world’s best science journalists, Zimmer ultimately unpacks urgent bioethical quandaries arising from new biomedical technologies, but also long-standing presumptions about who we really are and what we can pass on to future generations.</p><p>Special Guest: Carl Zimmer.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 185: Exodus Preaching, with Kenyatta Gilbert </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2019 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Kenyatta Gilbert. His newest book is "Exodus Preaching: Crafting Sermons about Justice and Hope." Exodus Preaching is the first of its kind. It is an exploration of the African American prophetic rhetorical traditions in a manner that makes features of these traditions relevant to a broad audience beyond the African American traditions. It provides readers a composite picture of the nature, meaning, and relevance of prophetic preaching as spoken Word of justice and hope in a society of growing pluralism and the world-shaping phenomenon of racial, economic and cultural diversity.
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      <itunes:duration>1:07:33</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kenyatta Gilbert. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Exodus-Preaching-Crafting-Sermons-Justice/dp/1501832573" rel="nofollow">Exodus Preaching: Crafting Sermons about Justice and Hope</a>. Exodus Preaching is the first of its kind. It is an exploration of the African American prophetic rhetorical traditions in a manner that makes features of these traditions relevant to a broad audience beyond the African American traditions. It provides readers a composite picture of the nature, meaning, and relevance of prophetic preaching as spoken Word of justice and hope in a society of growing pluralism and the world-shaping phenomenon of racial, economic and cultural diversity.</p>

<p>African American preachers have distinctively invested great symbolic significance in the Exodus story, the messianic witness of Jesus, and the prophetic literature for developing and shaping prophetic sermons. Kenyatta Gilbert demonstrates how four distinctive features of discourse can shape sermon preparation, for effective preaching in a period of intense social change, racial unrest, and violence.</p>

<p>Gilbert includes dozens of practical suggestions and five practical exercises to equip the reader for preaching in new ways and in new environments.  He offers an holistic approach, fully equipping the reader with the theological and practical resources needed to preach prophetically.</p>

<p>Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity in Washington, DC. He is author of <em>The Journey and Promise of African American Preaching _and _A Pursued Justice:  Black Preaching from the Great Migration to Civil Rights</em>. Dr. Gilbert is an ordained Baptist minister and founder of The Preaching Project: Restoring Communities through Spoken Word.  See more at <a href="http://www.thepreachingproject.org" rel="nofollow">www.thepreachingproject.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Kenyatta Gilbert.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kenyatta Gilbert. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Exodus-Preaching-Crafting-Sermons-Justice/dp/1501832573" rel="nofollow">Exodus Preaching: Crafting Sermons about Justice and Hope</a>. Exodus Preaching is the first of its kind. It is an exploration of the African American prophetic rhetorical traditions in a manner that makes features of these traditions relevant to a broad audience beyond the African American traditions. It provides readers a composite picture of the nature, meaning, and relevance of prophetic preaching as spoken Word of justice and hope in a society of growing pluralism and the world-shaping phenomenon of racial, economic and cultural diversity.</p>

<p>African American preachers have distinctively invested great symbolic significance in the Exodus story, the messianic witness of Jesus, and the prophetic literature for developing and shaping prophetic sermons. Kenyatta Gilbert demonstrates how four distinctive features of discourse can shape sermon preparation, for effective preaching in a period of intense social change, racial unrest, and violence.</p>

<p>Gilbert includes dozens of practical suggestions and five practical exercises to equip the reader for preaching in new ways and in new environments.  He offers an holistic approach, fully equipping the reader with the theological and practical resources needed to preach prophetically.</p>

<p>Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity in Washington, DC. He is author of <em>The Journey and Promise of African American Preaching _and _A Pursued Justice:  Black Preaching from the Great Migration to Civil Rights</em>. Dr. Gilbert is an ordained Baptist minister and founder of The Preaching Project: Restoring Communities through Spoken Word.  See more at <a href="http://www.thepreachingproject.org" rel="nofollow">www.thepreachingproject.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Kenyatta Gilbert.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kenyatta Gilbert. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Exodus-Preaching-Crafting-Sermons-Justice/dp/1501832573" rel="nofollow">Exodus Preaching: Crafting Sermons about Justice and Hope</a>. Exodus Preaching is the first of its kind. It is an exploration of the African American prophetic rhetorical traditions in a manner that makes features of these traditions relevant to a broad audience beyond the African American traditions. It provides readers a composite picture of the nature, meaning, and relevance of prophetic preaching as spoken Word of justice and hope in a society of growing pluralism and the world-shaping phenomenon of racial, economic and cultural diversity.</p>

<p>African American preachers have distinctively invested great symbolic significance in the Exodus story, the messianic witness of Jesus, and the prophetic literature for developing and shaping prophetic sermons. Kenyatta Gilbert demonstrates how four distinctive features of discourse can shape sermon preparation, for effective preaching in a period of intense social change, racial unrest, and violence.</p>

<p>Gilbert includes dozens of practical suggestions and five practical exercises to equip the reader for preaching in new ways and in new environments.  He offers an holistic approach, fully equipping the reader with the theological and practical resources needed to preach prophetically.</p>

<p>Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity in Washington, DC. He is author of <em>The Journey and Promise of African American Preaching _and _A Pursued Justice:  Black Preaching from the Great Migration to Civil Rights</em>. Dr. Gilbert is an ordained Baptist minister and founder of The Preaching Project: Restoring Communities through Spoken Word.  See more at <a href="http://www.thepreachingproject.org" rel="nofollow">www.thepreachingproject.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Kenyatta Gilbert.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 184: What Does It Feel Like to Die?, with Jennie Dear</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jennie Dear. Her new book is "What Does It Feel Like to Die?: Inspiring New Insights into the Experience of Dying." As a long-time hospice volunteer, Jennie Dear has helped countless patients, families, and caregivers cope with the many challenges of the dying process. Inspired by her own personal journey with her mother’s long-term illness, Dear demystifies the experience of dying for everyone whose lives it touches. She spoke to doctors, nurses, and caregivers, as well as families, friends, and the patients themselves. The result is a brilliantly researched, eye-opening account that combines the latest medical findings with sensitive human insights to offer real emotional support and answers to some of the questions that affect us all.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>43:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennie Dear. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Does-Feel-Like-Die/dp/0806539860" rel="nofollow">What Does It Feel Like to Die?: Inspiring New Insights into the Experience of Dying</a>, As a long-time hospice volunteer, Jennie Dear has helped countless patients, families, and caregivers cope with the many challenges of the dying process. Inspired by her own personal journey with her mother’s long-term illness, Dear demystifies the experience of dying for everyone whose lives it touches. She spoke to doctors, nurses, and caregivers, as well as families, friends, and the patients themselves. The result is a brilliantly researched, eye-opening account that combines the latest medical findings with sensitive human insights to offer real emotional support and answers to some of the questions that affect us all.</p>

<p><strong>Does dying hurt?</strong><br>
A frank discussion of whether dying has to be painful—and why it sometimes is even when treatment is readily available. </p>

<p><strong>Is there a better way to cope with dying?</strong><br>
Comforting stories of people who found peace in the face of death , and some of the expert methods they used for getting there.</p>

<p><strong>The last few hours: What does it feel like to die?</strong><br>
Powerful glimpses from dedicated professionals into the physical experiences of people in their final moments—plus comforting words and insights from those who are there to help.</p>

<p>Jennie Dear is a former journalist and associate professor of English, and a long-time hospice volunteer. She received her Ph.D. from the University of New Mexico, wrote articles for local newspapers, and taught for ten years at Fort Lewis College in Durango.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennie Dear.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennie Dear. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Does-Feel-Like-Die/dp/0806539860" rel="nofollow">What Does It Feel Like to Die?: Inspiring New Insights into the Experience of Dying</a>, As a long-time hospice volunteer, Jennie Dear has helped countless patients, families, and caregivers cope with the many challenges of the dying process. Inspired by her own personal journey with her mother’s long-term illness, Dear demystifies the experience of dying for everyone whose lives it touches. She spoke to doctors, nurses, and caregivers, as well as families, friends, and the patients themselves. The result is a brilliantly researched, eye-opening account that combines the latest medical findings with sensitive human insights to offer real emotional support and answers to some of the questions that affect us all.</p>

<p><strong>Does dying hurt?</strong><br>
A frank discussion of whether dying has to be painful—and why it sometimes is even when treatment is readily available. </p>

<p><strong>Is there a better way to cope with dying?</strong><br>
Comforting stories of people who found peace in the face of death , and some of the expert methods they used for getting there.</p>

<p><strong>The last few hours: What does it feel like to die?</strong><br>
Powerful glimpses from dedicated professionals into the physical experiences of people in their final moments—plus comforting words and insights from those who are there to help.</p>

<p>Jennie Dear is a former journalist and associate professor of English, and a long-time hospice volunteer. She received her Ph.D. from the University of New Mexico, wrote articles for local newspapers, and taught for ten years at Fort Lewis College in Durango.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennie Dear.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennie Dear. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/What-Does-Feel-Like-Die/dp/0806539860" rel="nofollow">What Does It Feel Like to Die?: Inspiring New Insights into the Experience of Dying</a>, As a long-time hospice volunteer, Jennie Dear has helped countless patients, families, and caregivers cope with the many challenges of the dying process. Inspired by her own personal journey with her mother’s long-term illness, Dear demystifies the experience of dying for everyone whose lives it touches. She spoke to doctors, nurses, and caregivers, as well as families, friends, and the patients themselves. The result is a brilliantly researched, eye-opening account that combines the latest medical findings with sensitive human insights to offer real emotional support and answers to some of the questions that affect us all.</p>

<p><strong>Does dying hurt?</strong><br>
A frank discussion of whether dying has to be painful—and why it sometimes is even when treatment is readily available. </p>

<p><strong>Is there a better way to cope with dying?</strong><br>
Comforting stories of people who found peace in the face of death , and some of the expert methods they used for getting there.</p>

<p><strong>The last few hours: What does it feel like to die?</strong><br>
Powerful glimpses from dedicated professionals into the physical experiences of people in their final moments—plus comforting words and insights from those who are there to help.</p>

<p>Jennie Dear is a former journalist and associate professor of English, and a long-time hospice volunteer. She received her Ph.D. from the University of New Mexico, wrote articles for local newspapers, and taught for ten years at Fort Lewis College in Durango.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennie Dear.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 183: How Reason Can Lead to God, with Joshua Rasmussen</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Sep 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Joshua Rasmussen. His newest book is "How Reason Can Lead to God: A Philosopher's Bridge to Faith." Do you seek the truth? Do you value reason, science, and independent thinking? Are you skeptical of beliefs that people maintain merely "on faith," yet you remain interested in the big questions of life? Do you hope there could be a greater purpose to the universe, if only that were realistic? If so, then philosopher Joshua Rasmussen can encourage you in your journey.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>40:16</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joshua Rasmussen. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Reason-Can-Lead-God/dp/0830852522" rel="nofollow">How Reason Can Lead to God: A Philosopher&#39;s Bridge to Faith</a>. Do you seek the truth? Do you value reason, science, and independent thinking? Are you skeptical of beliefs that people maintain merely &quot;on faith,&quot; yet you remain interested in the big questions of life? Do you hope there could be a greater purpose to the universe, if only that were realistic? If so, then philosopher Joshua Rasmussen can encourage you in your journey. Beginning with his own story of losing faith and the belief in any ultimate purpose in life, he then builds a bridge to a series of universal truths about ultimate reality. Using only the instruments of reason and common experience, Rasmussen constructs a pathway―step by step, brick by brick―that he argues can lead to meaning and, ultimately, a vision of God.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joshua Rasmussen. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Reason-Can-Lead-God/dp/0830852522" rel="nofollow">How Reason Can Lead to God: A Philosopher&#39;s Bridge to Faith</a>. Do you seek the truth? Do you value reason, science, and independent thinking? Are you skeptical of beliefs that people maintain merely &quot;on faith,&quot; yet you remain interested in the big questions of life? Do you hope there could be a greater purpose to the universe, if only that were realistic? If so, then philosopher Joshua Rasmussen can encourage you in your journey. Beginning with his own story of losing faith and the belief in any ultimate purpose in life, he then builds a bridge to a series of universal truths about ultimate reality. Using only the instruments of reason and common experience, Rasmussen constructs a pathway―step by step, brick by brick―that he argues can lead to meaning and, ultimately, a vision of God.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joshua Rasmussen. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Reason-Can-Lead-God/dp/0830852522" rel="nofollow">How Reason Can Lead to God: A Philosopher&#39;s Bridge to Faith</a>. Do you seek the truth? Do you value reason, science, and independent thinking? Are you skeptical of beliefs that people maintain merely &quot;on faith,&quot; yet you remain interested in the big questions of life? Do you hope there could be a greater purpose to the universe, if only that were realistic? If so, then philosopher Joshua Rasmussen can encourage you in your journey. Beginning with his own story of losing faith and the belief in any ultimate purpose in life, he then builds a bridge to a series of universal truths about ultimate reality. Using only the instruments of reason and common experience, Rasmussen constructs a pathway―step by step, brick by brick―that he argues can lead to meaning and, ultimately, a vision of God.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 182: Why Church, with Scott Sunquist</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2019 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Scott Sunquist. His newest book is "Why Church: A Basic Introduction." Is a church just something we create to serve our purposes or to maintain old traditions? Or is it something more vital, more meaningful, and more powerful? This can be hard to believe when we look at what happens in any one congregation or denomination. Certainly not all churches act like Jesus in the world, and many individual churches in the West are dying. When it's so easy to be confused, frustrated, or simply apathetic about the church, how should we understand its purpose today?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:15</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scott Sunquist. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Why-Church-Introduction-Scott-Sunquist/dp/0830852387" rel="nofollow">Why Church: A Basic Introduction</a>. Is a church just something we create to serve our purposes or to maintain old traditions? Or is it something more vital, more meaningful, and more powerful? This can be hard to believe when we look at what happens in any one congregation or denomination. Certainly not all churches act like Jesus in the world, and many individual churches in the West are dying. When it&#39;s so easy to be confused, frustrated, or simply apathetic about the church, how should we understand its purpose today?</p>

<p>In this appealing introduction to the nature of the local church, set in the context of Christian history and global diversity, historian and missionary Scott Sunquist shows us the church in motion. Why Church? clarifies the two primary purposes of the church―worship and witness―and unpacks what the church is (and ought to be) using five movements of worship:</p>

<ul>
<li>come together</li>
<li>stand to praise God</li>
<li>kneel to confess</li>
<li>sit to listen to the Word of God</li>
<li>go out into the world</li>
</ul>

<p>Packed with stories and insights from experiences in churches around the world, this book explores cultural contextualization, the meaning of conversion, worship in both personal and communal aspects, and how mission combines telling the good news with being good news as a community. From Fuller Theological Seminary&#39;s renowned church-planting program, this primer is well suited to leaders and their core teams to read together and share with new attenders as they catch the spirit of the dynamic gathering that is the local church.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scott Sunquist. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Why-Church-Introduction-Scott-Sunquist/dp/0830852387" rel="nofollow">Why Church: A Basic Introduction</a>. Is a church just something we create to serve our purposes or to maintain old traditions? Or is it something more vital, more meaningful, and more powerful? This can be hard to believe when we look at what happens in any one congregation or denomination. Certainly not all churches act like Jesus in the world, and many individual churches in the West are dying. When it&#39;s so easy to be confused, frustrated, or simply apathetic about the church, how should we understand its purpose today?</p>

<p>In this appealing introduction to the nature of the local church, set in the context of Christian history and global diversity, historian and missionary Scott Sunquist shows us the church in motion. Why Church? clarifies the two primary purposes of the church―worship and witness―and unpacks what the church is (and ought to be) using five movements of worship:</p>

<ul>
<li>come together</li>
<li>stand to praise God</li>
<li>kneel to confess</li>
<li>sit to listen to the Word of God</li>
<li>go out into the world</li>
</ul>

<p>Packed with stories and insights from experiences in churches around the world, this book explores cultural contextualization, the meaning of conversion, worship in both personal and communal aspects, and how mission combines telling the good news with being good news as a community. From Fuller Theological Seminary&#39;s renowned church-planting program, this primer is well suited to leaders and their core teams to read together and share with new attenders as they catch the spirit of the dynamic gathering that is the local church.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scott Sunquist. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Why-Church-Introduction-Scott-Sunquist/dp/0830852387" rel="nofollow">Why Church: A Basic Introduction</a>. Is a church just something we create to serve our purposes or to maintain old traditions? Or is it something more vital, more meaningful, and more powerful? This can be hard to believe when we look at what happens in any one congregation or denomination. Certainly not all churches act like Jesus in the world, and many individual churches in the West are dying. When it&#39;s so easy to be confused, frustrated, or simply apathetic about the church, how should we understand its purpose today?</p>

<p>In this appealing introduction to the nature of the local church, set in the context of Christian history and global diversity, historian and missionary Scott Sunquist shows us the church in motion. Why Church? clarifies the two primary purposes of the church―worship and witness―and unpacks what the church is (and ought to be) using five movements of worship:</p>

<ul>
<li>come together</li>
<li>stand to praise God</li>
<li>kneel to confess</li>
<li>sit to listen to the Word of God</li>
<li>go out into the world</li>
</ul>

<p>Packed with stories and insights from experiences in churches around the world, this book explores cultural contextualization, the meaning of conversion, worship in both personal and communal aspects, and how mission combines telling the good news with being good news as a community. From Fuller Theological Seminary&#39;s renowned church-planting program, this primer is well suited to leaders and their core teams to read together and share with new attenders as they catch the spirit of the dynamic gathering that is the local church.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 181: Up In Arms, with John Temple</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is John Temple. His newest book is "Up in Arms: How the Bundy Family Hijacked Public Lands, Outfoxed the Federal Government, and Ignited America’s Patriot Militia Movement." "Up in Arms" chronicles how an isolated clan of desert-dwelling Mormons became the guiding light—and then the outright leaders—of America’s Patriot movement. The nation was riveted in 2014 when hundreds of Bundy supporters, many of them armed, forced federal agents to abandon a court-ordered cattle roundup. Then in 2016, Ammon Bundy, one of Cliven’s 13 children, led a 41-day armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Temple. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Up-Arms-Hijacked-Outfoxed-Government/dp/1946885959" rel="nofollow">Up in Arms: How the Bundy Family Hijacked Public Lands, Outfoxed the Federal Government, and Ignited America’s Patriot Militia Movement.</a> <em>Up in Arms</em> chronicles how an isolated clan of desert-dwelling Mormons became the guiding light—and then the outright leaders—of America’s Patriot movement. The nation was riveted in 2014 when hundreds of Bundy supporters, many of them armed, forced federal agents to abandon a court-ordered cattle roundup. Then in 2016, Ammon Bundy, one of Cliven’s 13 children, led a 41-day armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. </p>

<p>Those events and the subsequent shootings, arrests, and trials captured headlines, but they’re just part of a story that has never been fully told. John Temple, award-winning journalist and author of American Pain, gives readers an unprecedented and objective look at the real people and families at the heart of these highly publicized standoffs. Up in Arms offers a propulsive narrative populated by rifle-toting cowboys, apocalyptic militiamen, undercover infiltrators, and the devout and charismatic Bundys themselves. </p>

<p>Neither mainstream nor conservative media outlets have contextualized the religious, political, environmental, and economic factors that set the stage for these events. Up in Arms provides a framework for understanding this diverse collection of American rebels who believe government overreach justifies the taking up of arms.</p><p>Special Guest: John Temple.</p>]]>
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<p>Those events and the subsequent shootings, arrests, and trials captured headlines, but they’re just part of a story that has never been fully told. John Temple, award-winning journalist and author of American Pain, gives readers an unprecedented and objective look at the real people and families at the heart of these highly publicized standoffs. Up in Arms offers a propulsive narrative populated by rifle-toting cowboys, apocalyptic militiamen, undercover infiltrators, and the devout and charismatic Bundys themselves. </p>

<p>Neither mainstream nor conservative media outlets have contextualized the religious, political, environmental, and economic factors that set the stage for these events. Up in Arms provides a framework for understanding this diverse collection of American rebels who believe government overreach justifies the taking up of arms.</p><p>Special Guest: John Temple.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Temple. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Up-Arms-Hijacked-Outfoxed-Government/dp/1946885959" rel="nofollow">Up in Arms: How the Bundy Family Hijacked Public Lands, Outfoxed the Federal Government, and Ignited America’s Patriot Militia Movement.</a> <em>Up in Arms</em> chronicles how an isolated clan of desert-dwelling Mormons became the guiding light—and then the outright leaders—of America’s Patriot movement. The nation was riveted in 2014 when hundreds of Bundy supporters, many of them armed, forced federal agents to abandon a court-ordered cattle roundup. Then in 2016, Ammon Bundy, one of Cliven’s 13 children, led a 41-day armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. </p>

<p>Those events and the subsequent shootings, arrests, and trials captured headlines, but they’re just part of a story that has never been fully told. John Temple, award-winning journalist and author of American Pain, gives readers an unprecedented and objective look at the real people and families at the heart of these highly publicized standoffs. Up in Arms offers a propulsive narrative populated by rifle-toting cowboys, apocalyptic militiamen, undercover infiltrators, and the devout and charismatic Bundys themselves. </p>

<p>Neither mainstream nor conservative media outlets have contextualized the religious, political, environmental, and economic factors that set the stage for these events. Up in Arms provides a framework for understanding this diverse collection of American rebels who believe government overreach justifies the taking up of arms.</p><p>Special Guest: John Temple.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 180: Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic, with Stanley Corngold</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Stanley Corngold. His new book is "Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic." Walter Kaufmann (1921–1980) was a charismatic philosopher, critic, translator, and poet who fled Nazi Germany at the age of eighteen, emigrating alone to the United States. He was astonishingly prolific until his untimely death at age fifty-nine, writing some dozen major books, all marked by breathtaking erudition and a provocative essayistic style. He single-handedly rehabilitated Nietzsche’s reputation after World War II and was enormously influential in introducing postwar American readers to existentialism. Until now, no book has examined his intellectual legacy.

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      <itunes:duration>52:25</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stanley Corngold. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Walter-Kaufmann-Philosopher-Humanist-Heretic/dp/0691165017" rel="nofollow">Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic</a>. Walter Kaufmann (1921–1980) was a charismatic philosopher, critic, translator, and poet who fled Nazi Germany at the age of eighteen, emigrating alone to the United States. He was astonishingly prolific until his untimely death at age fifty-nine, writing some dozen major books, all marked by breathtaking erudition and a provocative essayistic style. He single-handedly rehabilitated Nietzsche’s reputation after World War II and was enormously influential in introducing postwar American readers to existentialism. Until now, no book has examined his intellectual legacy</p>

<p>Stanley Corngold provides the first in-depth study of Kaufmann’s thought, covering all his major works. He shows how Kaufmann speaks to many issues that concern us today, such as the good of philosophy, the effects of religion, the persistence of tragedy, and the crisis of the humanities in an age of technology. Few scholars in modern times can match Kaufmann’s range of interests, from philosophy and literature to intellectual history and comparative religion, from psychology and photography to art and architecture. Corngold provides a heartfelt portrait of a man who, to an extraordinary extent, transfigured his personal experience in the pages of his books.</p>

<p>This original study, both appreciative and critical, is the definitive intellectual life of one of the twentieth century’s most engaging yet neglected thinkers. It will introduce Kaufmann to a new generation of readers and serves as a fitting tribute to a scholar’s incomparable libido sciendi, or lust for knowledge.</p><p>Special Guest: Stanley Corngold.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stanley Corngold. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Walter-Kaufmann-Philosopher-Humanist-Heretic/dp/0691165017" rel="nofollow">Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic</a>. Walter Kaufmann (1921–1980) was a charismatic philosopher, critic, translator, and poet who fled Nazi Germany at the age of eighteen, emigrating alone to the United States. He was astonishingly prolific until his untimely death at age fifty-nine, writing some dozen major books, all marked by breathtaking erudition and a provocative essayistic style. He single-handedly rehabilitated Nietzsche’s reputation after World War II and was enormously influential in introducing postwar American readers to existentialism. Until now, no book has examined his intellectual legacy</p>

<p>Stanley Corngold provides the first in-depth study of Kaufmann’s thought, covering all his major works. He shows how Kaufmann speaks to many issues that concern us today, such as the good of philosophy, the effects of religion, the persistence of tragedy, and the crisis of the humanities in an age of technology. Few scholars in modern times can match Kaufmann’s range of interests, from philosophy and literature to intellectual history and comparative religion, from psychology and photography to art and architecture. Corngold provides a heartfelt portrait of a man who, to an extraordinary extent, transfigured his personal experience in the pages of his books.</p>

<p>This original study, both appreciative and critical, is the definitive intellectual life of one of the twentieth century’s most engaging yet neglected thinkers. It will introduce Kaufmann to a new generation of readers and serves as a fitting tribute to a scholar’s incomparable libido sciendi, or lust for knowledge.</p><p>Special Guest: Stanley Corngold.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stanley Corngold. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Walter-Kaufmann-Philosopher-Humanist-Heretic/dp/0691165017" rel="nofollow">Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic</a>. Walter Kaufmann (1921–1980) was a charismatic philosopher, critic, translator, and poet who fled Nazi Germany at the age of eighteen, emigrating alone to the United States. He was astonishingly prolific until his untimely death at age fifty-nine, writing some dozen major books, all marked by breathtaking erudition and a provocative essayistic style. He single-handedly rehabilitated Nietzsche’s reputation after World War II and was enormously influential in introducing postwar American readers to existentialism. Until now, no book has examined his intellectual legacy</p>

<p>Stanley Corngold provides the first in-depth study of Kaufmann’s thought, covering all his major works. He shows how Kaufmann speaks to many issues that concern us today, such as the good of philosophy, the effects of religion, the persistence of tragedy, and the crisis of the humanities in an age of technology. Few scholars in modern times can match Kaufmann’s range of interests, from philosophy and literature to intellectual history and comparative religion, from psychology and photography to art and architecture. Corngold provides a heartfelt portrait of a man who, to an extraordinary extent, transfigured his personal experience in the pages of his books.</p>

<p>This original study, both appreciative and critical, is the definitive intellectual life of one of the twentieth century’s most engaging yet neglected thinkers. It will introduce Kaufmann to a new generation of readers and serves as a fitting tribute to a scholar’s incomparable libido sciendi, or lust for knowledge.</p><p>Special Guest: Stanley Corngold.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 179: The Art of Less Doing, with Ari Meisel </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Ari Meisel. Ari is the best-selling author of “The Art of Less Doing“, and “The Replaceable Founder.” He is a self-described Overwhelmologist whose insights into personal and professional productivity have earned him the title, “The Guru’s Guru.” He can be heard on the award-winning Less Doing Podcast, and on international stages speaking to thought leaders and influencers around the world. We had a wide ranging conversation about everything from time tracking, the why's and how's of living a meaningful and productive life, to comforting the dying. Take a listen for all this and more. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>55:38</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ari Meisel. Ari is the best-selling author of “The Art of Less Doing“, and “The Replaceable Founder.” He is a self-described Overwhelmologist whose insights into personal and professional productivity have earned him the title, “The Guru’s Guru.” He can be heard on the award-winning Less Doing Podcast, and on international stages speaking to thought leaders and influencers around the world. We had a wide ranging conversation about everything from time tracking, the why&#39;s and how&#39;s of living a meaningful and productive life, to comforting the dying. Take a listen for all this and more. </p><p>Special Guest: Ari Meisel.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ari Meisel. Ari is the best-selling author of “The Art of Less Doing“, and “The Replaceable Founder.” He is a self-described Overwhelmologist whose insights into personal and professional productivity have earned him the title, “The Guru’s Guru.” He can be heard on the award-winning Less Doing Podcast, and on international stages speaking to thought leaders and influencers around the world. We had a wide ranging conversation about everything from time tracking, the why&#39;s and how&#39;s of living a meaningful and productive life, to comforting the dying. Take a listen for all this and more. </p><p>Special Guest: Ari Meisel.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 178: Love Over Fear, with Dan White Jr.</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2019 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Dan White Jr. His new book is "Love over Fear: Facing Monsters, Befriending Enemies, and Healing Our Polarized World." Whether it's the news, social media, or well-intentioned friends, we're told daily to fear "others." We fear strangers, neighbors, the other side of the aisle, even those who parent differently. And when we're confronted with something that frightens us, our brain sees only two options: Attack or Avoid.

But either way, polarization intensifies. What if you could defy your own instincts and choose a third option--scandalous, disruptive, unthinkable LOVE?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>35:28</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Dan White Jr. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-over-Fear-Befriending-Polarized/dp/0802418880/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=love+over+fear+dan+white&qid=1568749250&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Love over Fear: Facing Monsters, Befriending Enemies, and Healing Our Polarized World</a>. Whether it&#39;s the news, social media, or well-intentioned friends, we&#39;re told daily to fear &quot;others.&quot; We fear strangers, neighbors, the other side of the aisle, even those who parent differently. And when we&#39;re confronted with something that frightens us, our brain sees only two options: Attack or Avoid.</p>

<p>But either way, polarization intensifies. What if you could defy your own instincts and choose a third option--scandalous, disruptive, unthinkable LOVE?  Sure, we love people who are like us, who are easy to enjoy. Everyone does. But what about our enemies, the people we consider monsters? Loving them requires exceptional strength--strength only the Spirit can provide.</p>

<p><em>Love over Fear</em> is a compelling guide to conquering fear with love in an age of polarization. Hear stories of those who changed hearts and minds through radical love, learn how to practice disarming compassion, and discover the disruptive power of showing affection for those we perceive as monsters.</p><p>Special Guest: Dan White Jr. .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Dan White Jr. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-over-Fear-Befriending-Polarized/dp/0802418880/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=love+over+fear+dan+white&qid=1568749250&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Love over Fear: Facing Monsters, Befriending Enemies, and Healing Our Polarized World</a>. Whether it&#39;s the news, social media, or well-intentioned friends, we&#39;re told daily to fear &quot;others.&quot; We fear strangers, neighbors, the other side of the aisle, even those who parent differently. And when we&#39;re confronted with something that frightens us, our brain sees only two options: Attack or Avoid.</p>

<p>But either way, polarization intensifies. What if you could defy your own instincts and choose a third option--scandalous, disruptive, unthinkable LOVE?  Sure, we love people who are like us, who are easy to enjoy. Everyone does. But what about our enemies, the people we consider monsters? Loving them requires exceptional strength--strength only the Spirit can provide.</p>

<p><em>Love over Fear</em> is a compelling guide to conquering fear with love in an age of polarization. Hear stories of those who changed hearts and minds through radical love, learn how to practice disarming compassion, and discover the disruptive power of showing affection for those we perceive as monsters.</p><p>Special Guest: Dan White Jr. .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Dan White Jr. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-over-Fear-Befriending-Polarized/dp/0802418880/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=love+over+fear+dan+white&qid=1568749250&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Love over Fear: Facing Monsters, Befriending Enemies, and Healing Our Polarized World</a>. Whether it&#39;s the news, social media, or well-intentioned friends, we&#39;re told daily to fear &quot;others.&quot; We fear strangers, neighbors, the other side of the aisle, even those who parent differently. And when we&#39;re confronted with something that frightens us, our brain sees only two options: Attack or Avoid.</p>

<p>But either way, polarization intensifies. What if you could defy your own instincts and choose a third option--scandalous, disruptive, unthinkable LOVE?  Sure, we love people who are like us, who are easy to enjoy. Everyone does. But what about our enemies, the people we consider monsters? Loving them requires exceptional strength--strength only the Spirit can provide.</p>

<p><em>Love over Fear</em> is a compelling guide to conquering fear with love in an age of polarization. Hear stories of those who changed hearts and minds through radical love, learn how to practice disarming compassion, and discover the disruptive power of showing affection for those we perceive as monsters.</p><p>Special Guest: Dan White Jr. .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 177: Sacred and Profane Love, with Jennifer Frey </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jennifer Frey. She teaches at the University of South Carolina, and hosts The Virtue Blog and the philosophy and literature podcast, Sacred and Profane Love. She writes about virtue, action, practical reason, and what it might mean to live well as a human person.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Frey. She teaches at the University of South Carolina, and hosts <a href="https://thevirtueblog.com" rel="nofollow">The Virtue Blog</a> and the philosophy and literature podcast, Sacred and Profane Love. She writes about virtue, action, practical reason, and what it might mean to live well as a human person.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Frey.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Frey. She teaches at the University of South Carolina, and hosts <a href="https://thevirtueblog.com" rel="nofollow">The Virtue Blog</a> and the philosophy and literature podcast, Sacred and Profane Love. She writes about virtue, action, practical reason, and what it might mean to live well as a human person.</p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Frey.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 175: Two Guys Talk Chesterton in New York City, with David Shields</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2019 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Shields. In this episode we talk about G.K. Chesterton and his insights into the human condition on a beautiful hotel patio in New York City. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 174: Marshawn Lynch: A History, with David Shields</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Shields, New York Times bestselling author of more than twenty books. He has just written, directed and produced a documentary film, Marshawn Lynch: A History. The film explores the silence that nonconformist NFL star Marshawn Lynch deploys as a form of resistance. Culling more than 700 video clips and placing them in dramatic, rapid, and radical juxtaposition, the film is a powerful political parable about the American media-sports complex and its deep complicity with racial oppression.
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields, New York Times bestselling author of more than twenty books. He has just written, directed and produced a documentary film, Marshawn Lynch: A History. The film explores the silence that nonconformist NFL star Marshawn Lynch deploys as a form of resistance. Culling more than 700 video clips and placing them in dramatic, rapid, and radical juxtaposition, the film is a powerful political parable about the American media-sports complex and its deep complicity with racial oppression.</p>

<p>Born and raised in in Oakland by a single mother, Lynch became an All-American, an All-Pro running back, and a Super Bowl champion, but over the last five years he has emerged as a nationally significant figure precisely because he has refused to “play the game” of being a dutiful, cliché-bound interviewee. Silence-as-rebellion has African-American roots tracing back to slavery, and it’s a gesture that has flourished spectacularly in Oakland, where Lynch is deeply involved in the betterment of his hometown and where “troublemakers” have changed the game generation after generation—from Jack London and Gertrude Stein to the Black Panthers, Hells Angels, and Oakland Raiders (where Lynch is now finishing his career) to Bill Russell and Curt Flood to Alice Walker and Ishmael Reed to Tupac Shakur, Ryan Coogler, and Boots Riley.</p>

<p>Marshawn Lynch: A History— very loosely inspired by the director David Shields’s book Black Planet: Facing Race during an NBA Season—documents and celebrates Lynch’s attempt to be true to himself in a capitalist, racist society that wants to exploit him and that he wants to both exploit and oppose. Lynch is leaving a legacy of the eloquence of silence, echo, and mimicry as key tools of defiance. Albert Camus says, “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” No one is absolutely free, but Marshawn Lynch  comes thrillingly close.</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields, New York Times bestselling author of more than twenty books. He has just written, directed and produced a documentary film, Marshawn Lynch: A History. The film explores the silence that nonconformist NFL star Marshawn Lynch deploys as a form of resistance. Culling more than 700 video clips and placing them in dramatic, rapid, and radical juxtaposition, the film is a powerful political parable about the American media-sports complex and its deep complicity with racial oppression.</p>

<p>Born and raised in in Oakland by a single mother, Lynch became an All-American, an All-Pro running back, and a Super Bowl champion, but over the last five years he has emerged as a nationally significant figure precisely because he has refused to “play the game” of being a dutiful, cliché-bound interviewee. Silence-as-rebellion has African-American roots tracing back to slavery, and it’s a gesture that has flourished spectacularly in Oakland, where Lynch is deeply involved in the betterment of his hometown and where “troublemakers” have changed the game generation after generation—from Jack London and Gertrude Stein to the Black Panthers, Hells Angels, and Oakland Raiders (where Lynch is now finishing his career) to Bill Russell and Curt Flood to Alice Walker and Ishmael Reed to Tupac Shakur, Ryan Coogler, and Boots Riley.</p>

<p>Marshawn Lynch: A History— very loosely inspired by the director David Shields’s book Black Planet: Facing Race during an NBA Season—documents and celebrates Lynch’s attempt to be true to himself in a capitalist, racist society that wants to exploit him and that he wants to both exploit and oppose. Lynch is leaving a legacy of the eloquence of silence, echo, and mimicry as key tools of defiance. Albert Camus says, “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” No one is absolutely free, but Marshawn Lynch  comes thrillingly close.</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields, New York Times bestselling author of more than twenty books. He has just written, directed and produced a documentary film, Marshawn Lynch: A History. The film explores the silence that nonconformist NFL star Marshawn Lynch deploys as a form of resistance. Culling more than 700 video clips and placing them in dramatic, rapid, and radical juxtaposition, the film is a powerful political parable about the American media-sports complex and its deep complicity with racial oppression.</p>

<p>Born and raised in in Oakland by a single mother, Lynch became an All-American, an All-Pro running back, and a Super Bowl champion, but over the last five years he has emerged as a nationally significant figure precisely because he has refused to “play the game” of being a dutiful, cliché-bound interviewee. Silence-as-rebellion has African-American roots tracing back to slavery, and it’s a gesture that has flourished spectacularly in Oakland, where Lynch is deeply involved in the betterment of his hometown and where “troublemakers” have changed the game generation after generation—from Jack London and Gertrude Stein to the Black Panthers, Hells Angels, and Oakland Raiders (where Lynch is now finishing his career) to Bill Russell and Curt Flood to Alice Walker and Ishmael Reed to Tupac Shakur, Ryan Coogler, and Boots Riley.</p>

<p>Marshawn Lynch: A History— very loosely inspired by the director David Shields’s book Black Planet: Facing Race during an NBA Season—documents and celebrates Lynch’s attempt to be true to himself in a capitalist, racist society that wants to exploit him and that he wants to both exploit and oppose. Lynch is leaving a legacy of the eloquence of silence, echo, and mimicry as key tools of defiance. Albert Camus says, “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” No one is absolutely free, but Marshawn Lynch  comes thrillingly close.</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 173: Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire, with Dan Conway</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Dan Conway. His new book is "Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire: My Unlikely Escape from Corporate America." When the Financial Times interviewed Dan Conway for a story about cryptocurrency millionaires, he told them the unvarnished truth: "I invested because I wanted the underdogs to win, for once - losers like me who didn't make the rules and didn't have the money... We'd been forced to tweet corporate philanthropy hashtags, and we weren't going to take it anymore."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>55:36</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Dan Conway. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Crypto-Millionaire-Unlikely-Corporate-ebook/dp/B07VBS7Z5K" rel="nofollow">Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire: My Unlikely Escape from Corporate America.</a> When the Financial Times interviewed Dan Conway for a story about cryptocurrency millionaires, he told them the unvarnished truth: &quot;I invested because I wanted the underdogs to win, for once - losers like me who didn&#39;t make the rules and didn&#39;t have the money... We&#39;d been forced to tweet corporate philanthropy hashtags, and we weren&#39;t going to take it anymore.&quot;</p>

<p>For years, Dan scuffed his way up the corporate ladder. He made a good salary - just enough to support his family and save for a distant retirement. His perky LinkedIn profile should&#39;ve said he was a caged animal, looking to escape by any means necessary. Facing career turmoil, bills and an existential crisis, he turned to a corporate-killer blockchain called Ethereum which promised to upend work as we know it.</p>

<p>Statistics show most people hate their jobs. Are we broken? Or is the system? How much would you risk for your financial independence?</p><p>Special Guest: Dan Conway.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Dan Conway. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Crypto-Millionaire-Unlikely-Corporate-ebook/dp/B07VBS7Z5K" rel="nofollow">Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire: My Unlikely Escape from Corporate America.</a> When the Financial Times interviewed Dan Conway for a story about cryptocurrency millionaires, he told them the unvarnished truth: &quot;I invested because I wanted the underdogs to win, for once - losers like me who didn&#39;t make the rules and didn&#39;t have the money... We&#39;d been forced to tweet corporate philanthropy hashtags, and we weren&#39;t going to take it anymore.&quot;</p>

<p>For years, Dan scuffed his way up the corporate ladder. He made a good salary - just enough to support his family and save for a distant retirement. His perky LinkedIn profile should&#39;ve said he was a caged animal, looking to escape by any means necessary. Facing career turmoil, bills and an existential crisis, he turned to a corporate-killer blockchain called Ethereum which promised to upend work as we know it.</p>

<p>Statistics show most people hate their jobs. Are we broken? Or is the system? How much would you risk for your financial independence?</p><p>Special Guest: Dan Conway.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Dan Conway. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Crypto-Millionaire-Unlikely-Corporate-ebook/dp/B07VBS7Z5K" rel="nofollow">Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire: My Unlikely Escape from Corporate America.</a> When the Financial Times interviewed Dan Conway for a story about cryptocurrency millionaires, he told them the unvarnished truth: &quot;I invested because I wanted the underdogs to win, for once - losers like me who didn&#39;t make the rules and didn&#39;t have the money... We&#39;d been forced to tweet corporate philanthropy hashtags, and we weren&#39;t going to take it anymore.&quot;</p>

<p>For years, Dan scuffed his way up the corporate ladder. He made a good salary - just enough to support his family and save for a distant retirement. His perky LinkedIn profile should&#39;ve said he was a caged animal, looking to escape by any means necessary. Facing career turmoil, bills and an existential crisis, he turned to a corporate-killer blockchain called Ethereum which promised to upend work as we know it.</p>

<p>Statistics show most people hate their jobs. Are we broken? Or is the system? How much would you risk for your financial independence?</p><p>Special Guest: Dan Conway.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 172: Color Me In, with Natasha Díaz</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Natasha Díaz. Her debut novel is "Color Me In." In it Natasha Díaz pulls from her personal experience to inform this powerful coming-of-age novel about the meaning of friendship, the joyful beginnings of romance, and the racism and religious intolerance that can both strain a family to the breaking point and strengthen its bonds.
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      <itunes:duration>33:19</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Natasha Diaz. Her debut novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Color-Me-Natasha-Diaz/dp/0525578234" rel="nofollow">Color Me In</a>.  In it Natasha Díaz pulls from her personal experience to inform this powerful coming-of-age novel about the meaning of friendship, the joyful beginnings of romance, and the racism and religious intolerance that can both strain a family to the breaking point and strengthen its bonds.</p>

<p>Who is Nevaeh Levitz?</p>

<p>Growing up in an affluent suburb of New York City, sixteen-year-old Nevaeh Levitz never thought much about her biracial roots. When her Black mom and Jewish dad split up, she relocates to her mom&#39;s family home in Harlem and is forced to confront her identity for the first time. </p>

<p>Nevaeh wants to get to know her extended family, but one of her cousins can&#39;t stand that Nevaeh, who inadvertently passes as white, is too privileged, pampered, and selfish to relate to the injustices they face on a daily basis as African Americans. In the midst of attempting to blend their families, Nevaeh&#39;s dad decides that she should have a belated bat mitzvah instead of a sweet sixteen, which guarantees social humiliation at her posh private school. Even with the push and pull of her two cultures, Nevaeh does what she&#39;s always done when life gets complicated: she stays silent.</p>

<p>It&#39;s only when Nevaeh stumbles upon a secret from her mom&#39;s past, finds herself falling in love, and sees firsthand the prejudice her family faces that she begins to realize she has a voice. And she has choices. Will she continue to let circumstances dictate her path? Or will she find power in herself and decide once and for all who and where she is meant to be?</p><p>Special Guest: Natashia Díaz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Natasha Diaz. Her debut novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Color-Me-Natasha-Diaz/dp/0525578234" rel="nofollow">Color Me In</a>.  In it Natasha Díaz pulls from her personal experience to inform this powerful coming-of-age novel about the meaning of friendship, the joyful beginnings of romance, and the racism and religious intolerance that can both strain a family to the breaking point and strengthen its bonds.</p>

<p>Who is Nevaeh Levitz?</p>

<p>Growing up in an affluent suburb of New York City, sixteen-year-old Nevaeh Levitz never thought much about her biracial roots. When her Black mom and Jewish dad split up, she relocates to her mom&#39;s family home in Harlem and is forced to confront her identity for the first time. </p>

<p>Nevaeh wants to get to know her extended family, but one of her cousins can&#39;t stand that Nevaeh, who inadvertently passes as white, is too privileged, pampered, and selfish to relate to the injustices they face on a daily basis as African Americans. In the midst of attempting to blend their families, Nevaeh&#39;s dad decides that she should have a belated bat mitzvah instead of a sweet sixteen, which guarantees social humiliation at her posh private school. Even with the push and pull of her two cultures, Nevaeh does what she&#39;s always done when life gets complicated: she stays silent.</p>

<p>It&#39;s only when Nevaeh stumbles upon a secret from her mom&#39;s past, finds herself falling in love, and sees firsthand the prejudice her family faces that she begins to realize she has a voice. And she has choices. Will she continue to let circumstances dictate her path? Or will she find power in herself and decide once and for all who and where she is meant to be?</p><p>Special Guest: Natashia Díaz.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Natasha Diaz. Her debut novel is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Color-Me-Natasha-Diaz/dp/0525578234" rel="nofollow">Color Me In</a>.  In it Natasha Díaz pulls from her personal experience to inform this powerful coming-of-age novel about the meaning of friendship, the joyful beginnings of romance, and the racism and religious intolerance that can both strain a family to the breaking point and strengthen its bonds.</p>

<p>Who is Nevaeh Levitz?</p>

<p>Growing up in an affluent suburb of New York City, sixteen-year-old Nevaeh Levitz never thought much about her biracial roots. When her Black mom and Jewish dad split up, she relocates to her mom&#39;s family home in Harlem and is forced to confront her identity for the first time. </p>

<p>Nevaeh wants to get to know her extended family, but one of her cousins can&#39;t stand that Nevaeh, who inadvertently passes as white, is too privileged, pampered, and selfish to relate to the injustices they face on a daily basis as African Americans. In the midst of attempting to blend their families, Nevaeh&#39;s dad decides that she should have a belated bat mitzvah instead of a sweet sixteen, which guarantees social humiliation at her posh private school. Even with the push and pull of her two cultures, Nevaeh does what she&#39;s always done when life gets complicated: she stays silent.</p>

<p>It&#39;s only when Nevaeh stumbles upon a secret from her mom&#39;s past, finds herself falling in love, and sees firsthand the prejudice her family faces that she begins to realize she has a voice. And she has choices. Will she continue to let circumstances dictate her path? Or will she find power in herself and decide once and for all who and where she is meant to be?</p><p>Special Guest: Natashia Díaz.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 171: Bless This Mess, with Molly Baskette and Ellen O'Donnell </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are Rev. Molly Baskette and Dr. Ellen O’Donnell. Their new book is "Bless This Mess: A Modern Guide to Faith and Parenting in a Chaotic World." When the two first met, they were both new mothers seeking parenting wisdom. They read a lot of books on the topic, but none of them contained practical suggestions that would help their families psychologically and spiritually while maintaining their progressive values: How do we teach the art of forgiving and serving others? How do we raise kids who are tolerant, curious, and honorable? And what about the sex talk? Taking matters into their own hands, Baskette and O’Donnell began creating actionable steps addressing these questions and more. This book is the fruit of their many conversations begun long ago during the daycare carpool, from angsty moments to hallelujahs.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>55:37</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Rev. Molly Baskette and Dr. Ellen O’Donnell. Their new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bless-This-Mess-Parenting-Chaotic/dp/1984824120" rel="nofollow">Bless This Mess: A Modern Guide to Faith and Parenting in a Chaotic World</a>. When the two first met, they were both new mothers seeking parenting wisdom. They read a lot of books on the topic, but none of them contained practical suggestions that would help their families psychologically and spiritually while maintaining their progressive values: How do we teach the art of forgiving and serving others? How do we raise kids who are tolerant, curious, and honorable? And what about the sex talk? Taking matters into their own hands, Baskette and O’Donnell began creating actionable steps addressing these questions and more. This book is the fruit of their many conversations begun long ago during the daycare carpool, from angsty moments to hallelujahs.</p>

<p>In <em>Bless This Mess</em>, readers will gain constructive tools as they learn how to talk to their children about social justice, money, God, ethics, bullying, disabilities, sexuality, and their bodies. Parents will also glean insights on how to serve others with joy, give generously and gratefully, and—perhaps most important—learn how to stop being so afraid all the damn time, even while raising kids in an increasingly chaotic and often scary world. With real-life examples, relatable personal stories, and strategies tailored to the toddler, preteen, or teenager, <em>Bless This Mess</em> guides parents of children at all stages of their development.</p><p>Special Guests: Ellen O&#39;Donnell and Molly Baskette.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Rev. Molly Baskette and Dr. Ellen O’Donnell. Their new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bless-This-Mess-Parenting-Chaotic/dp/1984824120" rel="nofollow">Bless This Mess: A Modern Guide to Faith and Parenting in a Chaotic World</a>. When the two first met, they were both new mothers seeking parenting wisdom. They read a lot of books on the topic, but none of them contained practical suggestions that would help their families psychologically and spiritually while maintaining their progressive values: How do we teach the art of forgiving and serving others? How do we raise kids who are tolerant, curious, and honorable? And what about the sex talk? Taking matters into their own hands, Baskette and O’Donnell began creating actionable steps addressing these questions and more. This book is the fruit of their many conversations begun long ago during the daycare carpool, from angsty moments to hallelujahs.</p>

<p>In <em>Bless This Mess</em>, readers will gain constructive tools as they learn how to talk to their children about social justice, money, God, ethics, bullying, disabilities, sexuality, and their bodies. Parents will also glean insights on how to serve others with joy, give generously and gratefully, and—perhaps most important—learn how to stop being so afraid all the damn time, even while raising kids in an increasingly chaotic and often scary world. With real-life examples, relatable personal stories, and strategies tailored to the toddler, preteen, or teenager, <em>Bless This Mess</em> guides parents of children at all stages of their development.</p><p>Special Guests: Ellen O&#39;Donnell and Molly Baskette.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Rev. Molly Baskette and Dr. Ellen O’Donnell. Their new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bless-This-Mess-Parenting-Chaotic/dp/1984824120" rel="nofollow">Bless This Mess: A Modern Guide to Faith and Parenting in a Chaotic World</a>. When the two first met, they were both new mothers seeking parenting wisdom. They read a lot of books on the topic, but none of them contained practical suggestions that would help their families psychologically and spiritually while maintaining their progressive values: How do we teach the art of forgiving and serving others? How do we raise kids who are tolerant, curious, and honorable? And what about the sex talk? Taking matters into their own hands, Baskette and O’Donnell began creating actionable steps addressing these questions and more. This book is the fruit of their many conversations begun long ago during the daycare carpool, from angsty moments to hallelujahs.</p>

<p>In <em>Bless This Mess</em>, readers will gain constructive tools as they learn how to talk to their children about social justice, money, God, ethics, bullying, disabilities, sexuality, and their bodies. Parents will also glean insights on how to serve others with joy, give generously and gratefully, and—perhaps most important—learn how to stop being so afraid all the damn time, even while raising kids in an increasingly chaotic and often scary world. With real-life examples, relatable personal stories, and strategies tailored to the toddler, preteen, or teenager, <em>Bless This Mess</em> guides parents of children at all stages of their development.</p><p>Special Guests: Ellen O&#39;Donnell and Molly Baskette.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 170: Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture, with Michael Patrick Lynch</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2019 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Michael Patrick Lynch. His newest book is "Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture." Taking stock of our fragmented political landscape, Michael Patrick Lynch delivers a trenchant philosophical take on digital culture and its tendency to make us into dogmatic know-it-alls. The internet―where most shared news stories are not even read by the person posting them―has contributed to the rampant spread of “intellectual arrogance.” In this culture, we have come to think that we have nothing to learn from one another; we are rewarded for emotional outrage over reflective thought; and we glorify a defensive rejection of those different from us.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:05:23</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michael Patrick Lynch. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Know-All-Society-Arrogance-Political/dp/1631493612" rel="nofollow">Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture</a>. Taking stock of our fragmented political landscape, Michael Patrick Lynch delivers a trenchant philosophical take on digital culture and its tendency to make us into dogmatic know-it-alls. The internet―where most shared news stories are not even read by the person posting them―has contributed to the rampant spread of “intellectual arrogance.” In this culture, we have come to think that we have nothing to learn from one another; we are rewarded for emotional outrage over reflective thought; and we glorify a defensive rejection of those different from us.</p>

<p>Interweaving the works of classic philosophers such as Hannah Arendt and Bertrand Russell and imposing them on a cybernetic future they could not have possibly even imagined, Lynch delves deeply into three core ideas that explain how we’ve gotten to the way we are:</p>

<p>• our natural tendency to be overconfident in our knowledge;<br>
• the tribal politics that feed off our tendency;<br>
• and the way the outrage factory of social media spreads those politics of arrogance and blind conviction.</p>

<p>In addition to identifying an ascendant “know-it-all-ism” in our culture, Lynch offers practical solutions for how we might start reversing this dangerous trend―from rejecting the banality of emoticons that rarely reveal insight to embracing the tenets of Socrates, who exemplified the humility of admitting how little we often know about the world, to the importance of dialogue if we want to know more. With bracing and deeply original analysis, Lynch holds a mirror up to American culture to reveal that the sources of our fragmentation start with our attitudes toward truth. Ultimately, Know-It-All Society makes a powerful new argument for the indispensable value of truth and humility in democracy.</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Patrick Lynch.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michael Patrick Lynch. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Know-All-Society-Arrogance-Political/dp/1631493612" rel="nofollow">Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture</a>. Taking stock of our fragmented political landscape, Michael Patrick Lynch delivers a trenchant philosophical take on digital culture and its tendency to make us into dogmatic know-it-alls. The internet―where most shared news stories are not even read by the person posting them―has contributed to the rampant spread of “intellectual arrogance.” In this culture, we have come to think that we have nothing to learn from one another; we are rewarded for emotional outrage over reflective thought; and we glorify a defensive rejection of those different from us.</p>

<p>Interweaving the works of classic philosophers such as Hannah Arendt and Bertrand Russell and imposing them on a cybernetic future they could not have possibly even imagined, Lynch delves deeply into three core ideas that explain how we’ve gotten to the way we are:</p>

<p>• our natural tendency to be overconfident in our knowledge;<br>
• the tribal politics that feed off our tendency;<br>
• and the way the outrage factory of social media spreads those politics of arrogance and blind conviction.</p>

<p>In addition to identifying an ascendant “know-it-all-ism” in our culture, Lynch offers practical solutions for how we might start reversing this dangerous trend―from rejecting the banality of emoticons that rarely reveal insight to embracing the tenets of Socrates, who exemplified the humility of admitting how little we often know about the world, to the importance of dialogue if we want to know more. With bracing and deeply original analysis, Lynch holds a mirror up to American culture to reveal that the sources of our fragmentation start with our attitudes toward truth. Ultimately, Know-It-All Society makes a powerful new argument for the indispensable value of truth and humility in democracy.</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Patrick Lynch.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michael Patrick Lynch. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Know-All-Society-Arrogance-Political/dp/1631493612" rel="nofollow">Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture</a>. Taking stock of our fragmented political landscape, Michael Patrick Lynch delivers a trenchant philosophical take on digital culture and its tendency to make us into dogmatic know-it-alls. The internet―where most shared news stories are not even read by the person posting them―has contributed to the rampant spread of “intellectual arrogance.” In this culture, we have come to think that we have nothing to learn from one another; we are rewarded for emotional outrage over reflective thought; and we glorify a defensive rejection of those different from us.</p>

<p>Interweaving the works of classic philosophers such as Hannah Arendt and Bertrand Russell and imposing them on a cybernetic future they could not have possibly even imagined, Lynch delves deeply into three core ideas that explain how we’ve gotten to the way we are:</p>

<p>• our natural tendency to be overconfident in our knowledge;<br>
• the tribal politics that feed off our tendency;<br>
• and the way the outrage factory of social media spreads those politics of arrogance and blind conviction.</p>

<p>In addition to identifying an ascendant “know-it-all-ism” in our culture, Lynch offers practical solutions for how we might start reversing this dangerous trend―from rejecting the banality of emoticons that rarely reveal insight to embracing the tenets of Socrates, who exemplified the humility of admitting how little we often know about the world, to the importance of dialogue if we want to know more. With bracing and deeply original analysis, Lynch holds a mirror up to American culture to reveal that the sources of our fragmentation start with our attitudes toward truth. Ultimately, Know-It-All Society makes a powerful new argument for the indispensable value of truth and humility in democracy.</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Patrick Lynch.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 169: 100 Times: A Memoir of Sexism, with Chavisa Woods</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Chavisa Woods. Her newest book is "100 Times: A Memoir of Sexism." In it it this award winning author presents one hundred true stories of sexism, harassment, discrimination, and assault. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>55:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chavisa Woods. Her newest book is 1<a href="https://www.amazon.com/100-Times-Memoir-Chavisa-Woods/dp/1609809130" rel="nofollow">00 Times: A Memoir of Sexism</a>. In it this award winning author presents one hundred true stories of sexism, harassment, discrimination, and assault. </p>

<p>Recounting her experiences with sexist discrimination, sexual harassment, and sexual violence—beginning in childhood, through the present—Woods lays out clear and unflinching personal vignettes that build in intensity as the number of times grows. Individually, and especially taken as a whole, these stories amount to powerful proof that sexual violence and discrimination are never just one-time occurrences, but part of a constant battle all women face every day.</p>

<p>In these extraordinary pages, sexual violence and sexist discrimination occur regardless of age, in all spheres of society, in rural and urban areas alike, in the US and abroad, from Woods&#39; youth through adulthood. Demonstrating how often people are conditioned to endure sexism and harassment, and how thoroughly men feel entitled to women’s spaces and bodies, 100 Times forces the reader to witness the myriad ways in which sexism and misogyny continuously shape women’s lives, and are built-in facets of our society.</p><p>Special Guest: Chavisa Woods.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chavisa Woods. Her newest book is 1<a href="https://www.amazon.com/100-Times-Memoir-Chavisa-Woods/dp/1609809130" rel="nofollow">00 Times: A Memoir of Sexism</a>. In it this award winning author presents one hundred true stories of sexism, harassment, discrimination, and assault. </p>

<p>Recounting her experiences with sexist discrimination, sexual harassment, and sexual violence—beginning in childhood, through the present—Woods lays out clear and unflinching personal vignettes that build in intensity as the number of times grows. Individually, and especially taken as a whole, these stories amount to powerful proof that sexual violence and discrimination are never just one-time occurrences, but part of a constant battle all women face every day.</p>

<p>In these extraordinary pages, sexual violence and sexist discrimination occur regardless of age, in all spheres of society, in rural and urban areas alike, in the US and abroad, from Woods&#39; youth through adulthood. Demonstrating how often people are conditioned to endure sexism and harassment, and how thoroughly men feel entitled to women’s spaces and bodies, 100 Times forces the reader to witness the myriad ways in which sexism and misogyny continuously shape women’s lives, and are built-in facets of our society.</p><p>Special Guest: Chavisa Woods.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chavisa Woods. Her newest book is 1<a href="https://www.amazon.com/100-Times-Memoir-Chavisa-Woods/dp/1609809130" rel="nofollow">00 Times: A Memoir of Sexism</a>. In it this award winning author presents one hundred true stories of sexism, harassment, discrimination, and assault. </p>

<p>Recounting her experiences with sexist discrimination, sexual harassment, and sexual violence—beginning in childhood, through the present—Woods lays out clear and unflinching personal vignettes that build in intensity as the number of times grows. Individually, and especially taken as a whole, these stories amount to powerful proof that sexual violence and discrimination are never just one-time occurrences, but part of a constant battle all women face every day.</p>

<p>In these extraordinary pages, sexual violence and sexist discrimination occur regardless of age, in all spheres of society, in rural and urban areas alike, in the US and abroad, from Woods&#39; youth through adulthood. Demonstrating how often people are conditioned to endure sexism and harassment, and how thoroughly men feel entitled to women’s spaces and bodies, 100 Times forces the reader to witness the myriad ways in which sexism and misogyny continuously shape women’s lives, and are built-in facets of our society.</p><p>Special Guest: Chavisa Woods.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 168: Reading Romans Backwards, with Scot McKnight</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2019 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Scot McKnight. His newest book is "Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire." In it he argues that to read Romans from beginning to end, from letter opening to final doxology, is to retrace the steps of Paul. To read Romans front to back was what Paul certainly intended. But to read Romans forward may have kept the full message of Romans from being perceived. Reading forward has led readers to classify Romans as abstract and systematic theology, as a letter unstained by real pastoral concerns.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:36</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scot McKnight. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Romans-Backwards-Gospel-Empire/dp/1481308777" rel="nofollow">Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire</a>.  In it he argues that to read Romans from beginning to end, from letter opening to final doxology, is to retrace the steps of Paul. To read Romans front to back was what Paul certainly intended. But to read Romans forward may have kept the full message of Romans from being perceived. Reading forward has led readers to classify Romans as abstract and systematic theology, as a letter unstained by real pastoral concerns.</p>

<p>But what if a different strategy were adopted? Could it be that the secret to understanding the relationship between theology and life, the key to unlocking Romans, is to begin at the letter’s end? Scot McKnight does exactly this in  Reading Romans Backwards.</p>

<p>McKnight begins with Romans 12–16, foregrounding the problems that beleaguered the house churches in Rome. Beginning with the end places readers right in the middle of a community deeply divided between the strong and the weak, each side dug in on their position. The strong assert social power and privilege, while the weak claim an elected advantage in Israel’s history. Continuing to work in reverse, McKnight unpacks the big themes of Romans 9–11―God’s unfailing, but always surprising, purposes and the future of Israel―to reveal Paul’s specific and pastoral message for both the weak and the strong in Rome. Finally, McKnight shows how the widely regarded &quot;universal&quot; sinfulness of Romans 1–4, which is so often read as simply an abstract soteriological scheme, applies to a particular rhetorical character’s sinfulness and has a polemical challenge. Romans 5–8 equally levels the ground with the assertion that both groups, once trapped in a world controlled by sin, flesh, and systemic evil, can now live a life in the Spirit. In Paul’s letter, no one gets off the hook but everyone is offered God’s grace.</p>

<p>Reading Romans Backwards places lived theology in the front room of every Roman house church. It focuses all of Romans―Paul’s apostleship, God’s faithfulness, and Christ’s transformation of humanity―on achieving grace and peace among all people, both strong and weak. McKnight shows that Paul’s letter to the Romans offers a sustained lesson on peace, teaching applicable to all divided churches, ancient or modern.</p>

<p>Scot McKnight is Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, where he directs both a master&#39;s and doctor of ministry program in using context to interpret the New Testament. He is the author of more than seventy books, including commentaries on Colossians and Philemon and a book on Paul as Pastor. He has been married to Kris for more than forty-five years and has two children and two grandchildren.</p><p>Special Guest: Scot McKnight.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scot McKnight. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Romans-Backwards-Gospel-Empire/dp/1481308777" rel="nofollow">Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire</a>.  In it he argues that to read Romans from beginning to end, from letter opening to final doxology, is to retrace the steps of Paul. To read Romans front to back was what Paul certainly intended. But to read Romans forward may have kept the full message of Romans from being perceived. Reading forward has led readers to classify Romans as abstract and systematic theology, as a letter unstained by real pastoral concerns.</p>

<p>But what if a different strategy were adopted? Could it be that the secret to understanding the relationship between theology and life, the key to unlocking Romans, is to begin at the letter’s end? Scot McKnight does exactly this in  Reading Romans Backwards.</p>

<p>McKnight begins with Romans 12–16, foregrounding the problems that beleaguered the house churches in Rome. Beginning with the end places readers right in the middle of a community deeply divided between the strong and the weak, each side dug in on their position. The strong assert social power and privilege, while the weak claim an elected advantage in Israel’s history. Continuing to work in reverse, McKnight unpacks the big themes of Romans 9–11―God’s unfailing, but always surprising, purposes and the future of Israel―to reveal Paul’s specific and pastoral message for both the weak and the strong in Rome. Finally, McKnight shows how the widely regarded &quot;universal&quot; sinfulness of Romans 1–4, which is so often read as simply an abstract soteriological scheme, applies to a particular rhetorical character’s sinfulness and has a polemical challenge. Romans 5–8 equally levels the ground with the assertion that both groups, once trapped in a world controlled by sin, flesh, and systemic evil, can now live a life in the Spirit. In Paul’s letter, no one gets off the hook but everyone is offered God’s grace.</p>

<p>Reading Romans Backwards places lived theology in the front room of every Roman house church. It focuses all of Romans―Paul’s apostleship, God’s faithfulness, and Christ’s transformation of humanity―on achieving grace and peace among all people, both strong and weak. McKnight shows that Paul’s letter to the Romans offers a sustained lesson on peace, teaching applicable to all divided churches, ancient or modern.</p>

<p>Scot McKnight is Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, where he directs both a master&#39;s and doctor of ministry program in using context to interpret the New Testament. He is the author of more than seventy books, including commentaries on Colossians and Philemon and a book on Paul as Pastor. He has been married to Kris for more than forty-five years and has two children and two grandchildren.</p><p>Special Guest: Scot McKnight.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Scot McKnight. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Romans-Backwards-Gospel-Empire/dp/1481308777" rel="nofollow">Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire</a>.  In it he argues that to read Romans from beginning to end, from letter opening to final doxology, is to retrace the steps of Paul. To read Romans front to back was what Paul certainly intended. But to read Romans forward may have kept the full message of Romans from being perceived. Reading forward has led readers to classify Romans as abstract and systematic theology, as a letter unstained by real pastoral concerns.</p>

<p>But what if a different strategy were adopted? Could it be that the secret to understanding the relationship between theology and life, the key to unlocking Romans, is to begin at the letter’s end? Scot McKnight does exactly this in  Reading Romans Backwards.</p>

<p>McKnight begins with Romans 12–16, foregrounding the problems that beleaguered the house churches in Rome. Beginning with the end places readers right in the middle of a community deeply divided between the strong and the weak, each side dug in on their position. The strong assert social power and privilege, while the weak claim an elected advantage in Israel’s history. Continuing to work in reverse, McKnight unpacks the big themes of Romans 9–11―God’s unfailing, but always surprising, purposes and the future of Israel―to reveal Paul’s specific and pastoral message for both the weak and the strong in Rome. Finally, McKnight shows how the widely regarded &quot;universal&quot; sinfulness of Romans 1–4, which is so often read as simply an abstract soteriological scheme, applies to a particular rhetorical character’s sinfulness and has a polemical challenge. Romans 5–8 equally levels the ground with the assertion that both groups, once trapped in a world controlled by sin, flesh, and systemic evil, can now live a life in the Spirit. In Paul’s letter, no one gets off the hook but everyone is offered God’s grace.</p>

<p>Reading Romans Backwards places lived theology in the front room of every Roman house church. It focuses all of Romans―Paul’s apostleship, God’s faithfulness, and Christ’s transformation of humanity―on achieving grace and peace among all people, both strong and weak. McKnight shows that Paul’s letter to the Romans offers a sustained lesson on peace, teaching applicable to all divided churches, ancient or modern.</p>

<p>Scot McKnight is Professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, where he directs both a master&#39;s and doctor of ministry program in using context to interpret the New Testament. He is the author of more than seventy books, including commentaries on Colossians and Philemon and a book on Paul as Pastor. He has been married to Kris for more than forty-five years and has two children and two grandchildren.</p><p>Special Guest: Scot McKnight.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 167: The Year of Return, with Nathaniel Popkin</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Aug 2019 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Set against the backdrop of 1976 Philadelphia, his new novel "The Year of the Return" follows the path of two families, the Jewish Silks and African American Johnsons, as they are first united by marriage and then by grief, turmoil, and the difficult task of trying to live in an America failing to live up to its ideals.

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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. Set against the backdrop of 1976 Philadelphia, his new novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1948598191/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=year+of+return+popkin&qid=1564840658&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">The Year of the Return </a>follows the path of two families, the Jewish Silks and African American Johnsons, as they are first united by marriage and then by grief, turmoil, and the difficult task of trying to live in an America failing to live up to its ideals.</p>

<p>Paul Silk and Charlene Johnson are journalists whose love for each other and commitment to social justice were formed in the peace movements of the 1960s. But the idealism of that era leads to the urban deterioration of the 1970s. Mayor Frank Rizzo&#39;s Philadelphia is a place of crime, white flight, and class resentment that is inhospitable to their interracial marriage, forcing them to move away. But when Charlene dies of cancer, Paul returns.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. Set against the backdrop of 1976 Philadelphia, his new novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1948598191/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=year+of+return+popkin&qid=1564840658&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">The Year of the Return </a>follows the path of two families, the Jewish Silks and African American Johnsons, as they are first united by marriage and then by grief, turmoil, and the difficult task of trying to live in an America failing to live up to its ideals.</p>

<p>Paul Silk and Charlene Johnson are journalists whose love for each other and commitment to social justice were formed in the peace movements of the 1960s. But the idealism of that era leads to the urban deterioration of the 1970s. Mayor Frank Rizzo&#39;s Philadelphia is a place of crime, white flight, and class resentment that is inhospitable to their interracial marriage, forcing them to move away. But when Charlene dies of cancer, Paul returns.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. Set against the backdrop of 1976 Philadelphia, his new novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1948598191/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=year+of+return+popkin&qid=1564840658&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">The Year of the Return </a>follows the path of two families, the Jewish Silks and African American Johnsons, as they are first united by marriage and then by grief, turmoil, and the difficult task of trying to live in an America failing to live up to its ideals.</p>

<p>Paul Silk and Charlene Johnson are journalists whose love for each other and commitment to social justice were formed in the peace movements of the 1960s. But the idealism of that era leads to the urban deterioration of the 1970s. Mayor Frank Rizzo&#39;s Philadelphia is a place of crime, white flight, and class resentment that is inhospitable to their interracial marriage, forcing them to move away. But when Charlene dies of cancer, Paul returns.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 166: Addiction Nation, with Timothy McMahan King</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2019 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Timothy McMahan King. His new book is "Addiction Nation: What the Opioid Crisis Reveals about Us." When a near-fatal illness led his doctors to prescribe narcotics, media consultant Timothy McMahan King ended up where millions of others have: addicted. Eventually King learned to manage pain without opioids—but not before he began asking profound questions about the spiritual and moral nature of addiction, the companies complicit in creating the opioid epidemic, and the paths toward healing and recovery.
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      <itunes:duration>43:39</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Timothy McMahan King. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Nation-Opioid-Crisis-Reveals/dp/1513804073" rel="nofollow">Addiction Nation: What the Opioid Crisis Reveals about Us</a>. When a near-fatal illness led his doctors to prescribe narcotics, media consultant Timothy McMahan King ended up where millions of others have: addicted. Eventually King learned to manage pain without opioids—but not before he began asking profound questions about the spiritual and moral nature of addiction, the companies complicit in creating the opioid epidemic, and the paths toward healing and recovery.</p>

<p>We have become a society not only damaged by addiction but fueled by it. In Addiction Nation, King investigates the ways that addiction robs us of freedom and holds us back from being fully human. Through stories, theology, philosophy, and cultural analysis, King examines today’s most common addictions and their destructive consequences. In stark yet intimate prose, he looks not only at the rise of opioid abuse but at policy, pain, virtue, and habit. He also unpacks research showing patterns of addiction to technology, stress, and even political partisanship.</p>

<p>Addiction of any kind dims the image of God and corrupts who we were created to be. <em>Addiction Nation</em> nudges us toward healing from the ravages of addiction and draws us toward a spirituality sturdy enough to sate our deepest longings.</p><p>Special Guest: Timothy McMahan King.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Timothy McMahan King. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Nation-Opioid-Crisis-Reveals/dp/1513804073" rel="nofollow">Addiction Nation: What the Opioid Crisis Reveals about Us</a>. When a near-fatal illness led his doctors to prescribe narcotics, media consultant Timothy McMahan King ended up where millions of others have: addicted. Eventually King learned to manage pain without opioids—but not before he began asking profound questions about the spiritual and moral nature of addiction, the companies complicit in creating the opioid epidemic, and the paths toward healing and recovery.</p>

<p>We have become a society not only damaged by addiction but fueled by it. In Addiction Nation, King investigates the ways that addiction robs us of freedom and holds us back from being fully human. Through stories, theology, philosophy, and cultural analysis, King examines today’s most common addictions and their destructive consequences. In stark yet intimate prose, he looks not only at the rise of opioid abuse but at policy, pain, virtue, and habit. He also unpacks research showing patterns of addiction to technology, stress, and even political partisanship.</p>

<p>Addiction of any kind dims the image of God and corrupts who we were created to be. <em>Addiction Nation</em> nudges us toward healing from the ravages of addiction and draws us toward a spirituality sturdy enough to sate our deepest longings.</p><p>Special Guest: Timothy McMahan King.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Timothy McMahan King. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Nation-Opioid-Crisis-Reveals/dp/1513804073" rel="nofollow">Addiction Nation: What the Opioid Crisis Reveals about Us</a>. When a near-fatal illness led his doctors to prescribe narcotics, media consultant Timothy McMahan King ended up where millions of others have: addicted. Eventually King learned to manage pain without opioids—but not before he began asking profound questions about the spiritual and moral nature of addiction, the companies complicit in creating the opioid epidemic, and the paths toward healing and recovery.</p>

<p>We have become a society not only damaged by addiction but fueled by it. In Addiction Nation, King investigates the ways that addiction robs us of freedom and holds us back from being fully human. Through stories, theology, philosophy, and cultural analysis, King examines today’s most common addictions and their destructive consequences. In stark yet intimate prose, he looks not only at the rise of opioid abuse but at policy, pain, virtue, and habit. He also unpacks research showing patterns of addiction to technology, stress, and even political partisanship.</p>

<p>Addiction of any kind dims the image of God and corrupts who we were created to be. <em>Addiction Nation</em> nudges us toward healing from the ravages of addiction and draws us toward a spirituality sturdy enough to sate our deepest longings.</p><p>Special Guest: Timothy McMahan King.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 165: The Meaning of Protestant Theology, with Phillip Cary </title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Phillip Cary. His newest book is "The Meaning of Protestant Theology: Luther, Augustin, and the Gospel That Gives Us Christ." This book offers a creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology. Veteran teacher Phillip Cary explains how Luther's theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:20:03</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Phillip Cary. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Protestant-Theology-Luther-Augustine/dp/0801039452" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Protestant Theology: Luther, Augustin, and the Gospel That Gives Us Christ</a>. This book offers a creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology. Veteran teacher Phillip Cary explains how Luther&#39;s theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine. Luther departed from the Augustinian tradition and inaugurated distinctively Protestant theology when he identified the gospel that gives us Christ as its key concept. More than any other theologian, Luther succeeds in carrying out the Protestant intention of putting faith in the gospel of Christ alone. Cary also explores the consequences of Luther&#39;s teachings as they unfold in the history of Protestantism.</p>

<p>This creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology helps readers rethink their own theology and its place in the larger story of Christian thought. Phillip Cary explains how Luther&#39;s theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine. Luther departed from the Augustinian tradition and inaugurated distinctively Protestant theology when he identified the Gospel that gives us Christ as its key concept. More than any other theologian, Luther succeeds in carrying out the Protestant intention of putting faith in the Gospel of Christ alone. Cary also explores the consequences of Luther&#39;s teachings as they unfold in the history of Protestantism.</p>

<p>Phillip Cary (PhD, Yale University) is scholar-in-residence at the Templeton Honors College and professor of philosophy at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. He serves as editor-in-chief of <em>Pro Ecclesia</em> and has written <em>Good News for Anxious Christians</em> and three critically acclaimed books on the life and thought of Augustine.</p><p>Special Guest: Phillip Cary.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Phillip Cary. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Protestant-Theology-Luther-Augustine/dp/0801039452" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Protestant Theology: Luther, Augustin, and the Gospel That Gives Us Christ</a>. This book offers a creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology. Veteran teacher Phillip Cary explains how Luther&#39;s theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine. Luther departed from the Augustinian tradition and inaugurated distinctively Protestant theology when he identified the gospel that gives us Christ as its key concept. More than any other theologian, Luther succeeds in carrying out the Protestant intention of putting faith in the gospel of Christ alone. Cary also explores the consequences of Luther&#39;s teachings as they unfold in the history of Protestantism.</p>

<p>This creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology helps readers rethink their own theology and its place in the larger story of Christian thought. Phillip Cary explains how Luther&#39;s theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine. Luther departed from the Augustinian tradition and inaugurated distinctively Protestant theology when he identified the Gospel that gives us Christ as its key concept. More than any other theologian, Luther succeeds in carrying out the Protestant intention of putting faith in the Gospel of Christ alone. Cary also explores the consequences of Luther&#39;s teachings as they unfold in the history of Protestantism.</p>

<p>Phillip Cary (PhD, Yale University) is scholar-in-residence at the Templeton Honors College and professor of philosophy at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. He serves as editor-in-chief of <em>Pro Ecclesia</em> and has written <em>Good News for Anxious Christians</em> and three critically acclaimed books on the life and thought of Augustine.</p><p>Special Guest: Phillip Cary.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Phillip Cary. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Meaning-Protestant-Theology-Luther-Augustine/dp/0801039452" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Protestant Theology: Luther, Augustin, and the Gospel That Gives Us Christ</a>. This book offers a creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology. Veteran teacher Phillip Cary explains how Luther&#39;s theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine. Luther departed from the Augustinian tradition and inaugurated distinctively Protestant theology when he identified the gospel that gives us Christ as its key concept. More than any other theologian, Luther succeeds in carrying out the Protestant intention of putting faith in the gospel of Christ alone. Cary also explores the consequences of Luther&#39;s teachings as they unfold in the history of Protestantism.</p>

<p>This creative and illuminating discussion of Protestant theology helps readers rethink their own theology and its place in the larger story of Christian thought. Phillip Cary explains how Luther&#39;s theology arose from the Christian tradition, particularly from the spirituality of Augustine. Luther departed from the Augustinian tradition and inaugurated distinctively Protestant theology when he identified the Gospel that gives us Christ as its key concept. More than any other theologian, Luther succeeds in carrying out the Protestant intention of putting faith in the Gospel of Christ alone. Cary also explores the consequences of Luther&#39;s teachings as they unfold in the history of Protestantism.</p>

<p>Phillip Cary (PhD, Yale University) is scholar-in-residence at the Templeton Honors College and professor of philosophy at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. He serves as editor-in-chief of <em>Pro Ecclesia</em> and has written <em>Good News for Anxious Christians</em> and three critically acclaimed books on the life and thought of Augustine.</p><p>Special Guest: Phillip Cary.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 164: In Search of there Common Good, with Jake Meador</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jake Meador. His new book is "In Search of the Common Good: Christian Fidelity in a Fractured World." Common life in our society is in decline. Our communities are disintegrating, as the loss of meaningful work and the breakdown of the family leave us anxious and alone―indeed, half of all Americans report daily feelings of loneliness. Our public discourse is polarized and hateful. Ethnic minorities face systemic injustices and the ever-present fear of violence and deportation. Economic inequalities are widening. In this book, Jake Meador diagnoses our society's decline as the failure of a particular story we've told about ourselves: the story of modern liberalism. He shows us how that story has led to our collective loss of meaning, wonder, and good work, and then recovers each of these by grounding them in a different story―a story rooted in the deep tradition of the Christian faith. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>43:35</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jake Meador. His new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Search-Common-Good-Christian-Fractured/dp/0830845542/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=jake+meador&qid=1563991428&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow"> In Search of the Common Good: Christian Fidelity in a Fractured World</a>. Common life in our society is in decline. Our communities are disintegrating, as the loss of meaningful work and the breakdown of the family leave us anxious and alone―indeed, half of all Americans report daily feelings of loneliness. Our public discourse is polarized and hateful. Ethnic minorities face systemic injustices and the ever-present fear of violence and deportation. Economic inequalities are widening. In this book, Jake Meador diagnoses our society&#39;s decline as the failure of a particular story we&#39;ve told about ourselves: the story of modern liberalism. He shows us how that story has led to our collective loss of meaning, wonder, and good work, and then recovers each of these by grounding them in a different story―a story rooted in the deep tradition of the Christian faith. Our story doesn&#39;t have to end in loneliness and despair. There are reasons for hope―reasons grounded in a different, better story. In Search of the Common Good reclaims a vision of common life for our fractured times: a vision that doesn&#39;t depend on the destinies of our economies or our political institutions, but on our citizenship in a heavenly city. Only through that vision―and that citizenship―can we truly work together for the common good.</p><p>Special Guest: Jake Meador.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jake Meador. His new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Search-Common-Good-Christian-Fractured/dp/0830845542/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=jake+meador&qid=1563991428&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow"> In Search of the Common Good: Christian Fidelity in a Fractured World</a>. Common life in our society is in decline. Our communities are disintegrating, as the loss of meaningful work and the breakdown of the family leave us anxious and alone―indeed, half of all Americans report daily feelings of loneliness. Our public discourse is polarized and hateful. Ethnic minorities face systemic injustices and the ever-present fear of violence and deportation. Economic inequalities are widening. In this book, Jake Meador diagnoses our society&#39;s decline as the failure of a particular story we&#39;ve told about ourselves: the story of modern liberalism. He shows us how that story has led to our collective loss of meaning, wonder, and good work, and then recovers each of these by grounding them in a different story―a story rooted in the deep tradition of the Christian faith. Our story doesn&#39;t have to end in loneliness and despair. There are reasons for hope―reasons grounded in a different, better story. In Search of the Common Good reclaims a vision of common life for our fractured times: a vision that doesn&#39;t depend on the destinies of our economies or our political institutions, but on our citizenship in a heavenly city. Only through that vision―and that citizenship―can we truly work together for the common good.</p><p>Special Guest: Jake Meador.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jake Meador. His new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Search-Common-Good-Christian-Fractured/dp/0830845542/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=jake+meador&qid=1563991428&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow"> In Search of the Common Good: Christian Fidelity in a Fractured World</a>. Common life in our society is in decline. Our communities are disintegrating, as the loss of meaningful work and the breakdown of the family leave us anxious and alone―indeed, half of all Americans report daily feelings of loneliness. Our public discourse is polarized and hateful. Ethnic minorities face systemic injustices and the ever-present fear of violence and deportation. Economic inequalities are widening. In this book, Jake Meador diagnoses our society&#39;s decline as the failure of a particular story we&#39;ve told about ourselves: the story of modern liberalism. He shows us how that story has led to our collective loss of meaning, wonder, and good work, and then recovers each of these by grounding them in a different story―a story rooted in the deep tradition of the Christian faith. Our story doesn&#39;t have to end in loneliness and despair. There are reasons for hope―reasons grounded in a different, better story. In Search of the Common Good reclaims a vision of common life for our fractured times: a vision that doesn&#39;t depend on the destinies of our economies or our political institutions, but on our citizenship in a heavenly city. Only through that vision―and that citizenship―can we truly work together for the common good.</p><p>Special Guest: Jake Meador.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 163: How to Make a Plant Love You, with Summer Rayne Oakes</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2019 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Summer Rayne Oakes. Her new book is "How to Make a Plant Love You: Cultivate Green Space in Your Home and Heart." She's an urban houseplant expert and environmental scientist, is the icon of wellness-minded millennials who want to bring nature indoors, according to a New York Times profile. Summer has managed to grow 1,000 houseplants in her Brooklyn apartment (and they're thriving!) Her secret? She approaches her relationships with plants as intentionally as if they were people.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:05</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Summer Rayne Oakes. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Plant-Love-You/dp/0525540288/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=summer+rayne+oakes&qid=1562628040&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">How to Make a Plant Love You: Cultivate Green Space in Your Home and Heart</a>. She&#39;s an urban houseplant expert and environmental scientist, is the icon of wellness-minded millennials who want to bring nature indoors, according to a New York Times profile. Summer has managed to grow 1,000 houseplants in her Brooklyn apartment (and they&#39;re thriving!) Her secret? She approaches her relationships with plants as intentionally as if they were people.</p>

<p>Everyone deserves to feel the inner peace that comes from taking care of greenery. Beyond the obvious benefits--beauty and cleaner air--there&#39;s a strong psychological benefit to nurturing plants as a path to mindfulness. They can reduce our stress level, lower our blood pressure, and improve our overall outlook. And they offer a rare opportunity to find joy by caring for another living being. </p>

<p>When Summer Rayne Oakes moved to Brooklyn from the Pennsylvania countryside, she knew that bringing nature indoors was her only chance to stay sane. She found them by the side of the road, in long-forgotten window boxes, at farmers&#39; markets, and in local garden shops. She found ways to shelve, hang, tuck, anchor, secure, and suspend them. She even installed 150-foot expandable hose that connects to pipes under her kitchen sink, so she only has to spend about a half-hour a day tending to her plants--an activity that she describes as a &quot;moving meditation.&quot; </p>

<p>This is Summer&#39;s guidebook for cultivating an entirely new relationship with your plant children. </p><p>Special Guest: Summer Rayne Oaks.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Summer Rayne Oakes. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Plant-Love-You/dp/0525540288/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=summer+rayne+oakes&qid=1562628040&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">How to Make a Plant Love You: Cultivate Green Space in Your Home and Heart</a>. She&#39;s an urban houseplant expert and environmental scientist, is the icon of wellness-minded millennials who want to bring nature indoors, according to a New York Times profile. Summer has managed to grow 1,000 houseplants in her Brooklyn apartment (and they&#39;re thriving!) Her secret? She approaches her relationships with plants as intentionally as if they were people.</p>

<p>Everyone deserves to feel the inner peace that comes from taking care of greenery. Beyond the obvious benefits--beauty and cleaner air--there&#39;s a strong psychological benefit to nurturing plants as a path to mindfulness. They can reduce our stress level, lower our blood pressure, and improve our overall outlook. And they offer a rare opportunity to find joy by caring for another living being. </p>

<p>When Summer Rayne Oakes moved to Brooklyn from the Pennsylvania countryside, she knew that bringing nature indoors was her only chance to stay sane. She found them by the side of the road, in long-forgotten window boxes, at farmers&#39; markets, and in local garden shops. She found ways to shelve, hang, tuck, anchor, secure, and suspend them. She even installed 150-foot expandable hose that connects to pipes under her kitchen sink, so she only has to spend about a half-hour a day tending to her plants--an activity that she describes as a &quot;moving meditation.&quot; </p>

<p>This is Summer&#39;s guidebook for cultivating an entirely new relationship with your plant children. </p><p>Special Guest: Summer Rayne Oaks.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Summer Rayne Oakes. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Make-Plant-Love-You/dp/0525540288/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=summer+rayne+oakes&qid=1562628040&s=gateway&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">How to Make a Plant Love You: Cultivate Green Space in Your Home and Heart</a>. She&#39;s an urban houseplant expert and environmental scientist, is the icon of wellness-minded millennials who want to bring nature indoors, according to a New York Times profile. Summer has managed to grow 1,000 houseplants in her Brooklyn apartment (and they&#39;re thriving!) Her secret? She approaches her relationships with plants as intentionally as if they were people.</p>

<p>Everyone deserves to feel the inner peace that comes from taking care of greenery. Beyond the obvious benefits--beauty and cleaner air--there&#39;s a strong psychological benefit to nurturing plants as a path to mindfulness. They can reduce our stress level, lower our blood pressure, and improve our overall outlook. And they offer a rare opportunity to find joy by caring for another living being. </p>

<p>When Summer Rayne Oakes moved to Brooklyn from the Pennsylvania countryside, she knew that bringing nature indoors was her only chance to stay sane. She found them by the side of the road, in long-forgotten window boxes, at farmers&#39; markets, and in local garden shops. She found ways to shelve, hang, tuck, anchor, secure, and suspend them. She even installed 150-foot expandable hose that connects to pipes under her kitchen sink, so she only has to spend about a half-hour a day tending to her plants--an activity that she describes as a &quot;moving meditation.&quot; </p>

<p>This is Summer&#39;s guidebook for cultivating an entirely new relationship with your plant children. </p><p>Special Guest: Summer Rayne Oaks.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 162: Elie Wiesel: An Extraordinary Life and Legacy, with Nadine Epstein </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Elie Wiesel (1928-2016) is best known as the author of Night, survivor of Auschwitz and a powerful, enduring voice of the Holocaust. A recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, he was a hero of human rights, professor and author of more than 50 books. Among his accomplishments, Wiesel co-founded Moment Magazine with Leonard Fein in 1975 to be a place of conversation for America’s Jews. For editor-in-chief Nadine Epstein, he became a mentor and friend after she took over the magazine in 2004. In this striking volume, Epstein shares her memories of Wiesel and brings together 36 interviews with friends, colleagues and others who knew him.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:39</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Elie Wiesel (1928-2016) is best known as the author of Night, survivor of Auschwitz and a powerful, enduring voice of the Holocaust. A recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, he was a hero of human rights, professor and author of more than 50 books. Among his accomplishments, Wiesel co-founded Moment Magazine with Leonard Fein in 1975 to be a place of conversation for America’s Jews. For editor-in-chief Nadine Epstein, he became a mentor and friend after she took over the magazine in 2004. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Elie-Wiesel-Extraordinary-Life-Legacy/dp/1942134576/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3L2E7TU5HPM9H&keywords=elie+wiesel+an+extraordinary+life+and+legacy&qid=1561563097&s=gateway&sprefix=extraordinary+elie%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">In this striking volume</a>, Epstein shares her memories of Wiesel and brings together 36 interviews with friends, colleagues and others who knew him – including, his son Elisha, Michael Berenbaum, Wolf Blitzer, Father Patrick Debois, Ronald S. Lauder, Bernard Henri-Levi, Kati Marton, Natan Sharansky, Ben Kingsley, and Oprah Winfrey. The foreword is by British Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and the afterword is by broadcaster Ted Koppel. To celebrate this humanitarian and keep his inspiration alive, Epstein presents readers with a visual history of Wiesel’s life and examines the influence of Night. This chilling story of the Holocaust has already gripped the souls of millions of readers. Epstein includes a selection of his speeches and writings, lively conversations with teenagers about Night and discussion questions. The book features more than 100 photos. Says Rabbi Jonathan Sacks: &quot;This book of reflections is a fitting tribute to the legacy of Elie Wiesel. In its pages and through the words of its contributors, you will feel a promise, not just to the souls who perished, but also to Elie and all those who survived Europe’s darkest night.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Nadine Epstein.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Elie Wiesel (1928-2016) is best known as the author of Night, survivor of Auschwitz and a powerful, enduring voice of the Holocaust. A recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, he was a hero of human rights, professor and author of more than 50 books. Among his accomplishments, Wiesel co-founded Moment Magazine with Leonard Fein in 1975 to be a place of conversation for America’s Jews. For editor-in-chief Nadine Epstein, he became a mentor and friend after she took over the magazine in 2004. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Elie-Wiesel-Extraordinary-Life-Legacy/dp/1942134576/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3L2E7TU5HPM9H&keywords=elie+wiesel+an+extraordinary+life+and+legacy&qid=1561563097&s=gateway&sprefix=extraordinary+elie%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">In this striking volume</a>, Epstein shares her memories of Wiesel and brings together 36 interviews with friends, colleagues and others who knew him – including, his son Elisha, Michael Berenbaum, Wolf Blitzer, Father Patrick Debois, Ronald S. Lauder, Bernard Henri-Levi, Kati Marton, Natan Sharansky, Ben Kingsley, and Oprah Winfrey. The foreword is by British Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and the afterword is by broadcaster Ted Koppel. To celebrate this humanitarian and keep his inspiration alive, Epstein presents readers with a visual history of Wiesel’s life and examines the influence of Night. This chilling story of the Holocaust has already gripped the souls of millions of readers. Epstein includes a selection of his speeches and writings, lively conversations with teenagers about Night and discussion questions. The book features more than 100 photos. Says Rabbi Jonathan Sacks: &quot;This book of reflections is a fitting tribute to the legacy of Elie Wiesel. In its pages and through the words of its contributors, you will feel a promise, not just to the souls who perished, but also to Elie and all those who survived Europe’s darkest night.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Nadine Epstein.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Elie Wiesel (1928-2016) is best known as the author of Night, survivor of Auschwitz and a powerful, enduring voice of the Holocaust. A recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom, he was a hero of human rights, professor and author of more than 50 books. Among his accomplishments, Wiesel co-founded Moment Magazine with Leonard Fein in 1975 to be a place of conversation for America’s Jews. For editor-in-chief Nadine Epstein, he became a mentor and friend after she took over the magazine in 2004. <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Elie-Wiesel-Extraordinary-Life-Legacy/dp/1942134576/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3L2E7TU5HPM9H&keywords=elie+wiesel+an+extraordinary+life+and+legacy&qid=1561563097&s=gateway&sprefix=extraordinary+elie%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">In this striking volume</a>, Epstein shares her memories of Wiesel and brings together 36 interviews with friends, colleagues and others who knew him – including, his son Elisha, Michael Berenbaum, Wolf Blitzer, Father Patrick Debois, Ronald S. Lauder, Bernard Henri-Levi, Kati Marton, Natan Sharansky, Ben Kingsley, and Oprah Winfrey. The foreword is by British Rabbi Jonathan Sacks and the afterword is by broadcaster Ted Koppel. To celebrate this humanitarian and keep his inspiration alive, Epstein presents readers with a visual history of Wiesel’s life and examines the influence of Night. This chilling story of the Holocaust has already gripped the souls of millions of readers. Epstein includes a selection of his speeches and writings, lively conversations with teenagers about Night and discussion questions. The book features more than 100 photos. Says Rabbi Jonathan Sacks: &quot;This book of reflections is a fitting tribute to the legacy of Elie Wiesel. In its pages and through the words of its contributors, you will feel a promise, not just to the souls who perished, but also to Elie and all those who survived Europe’s darkest night.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Nadine Epstein.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 161: Against French-ism, with David French</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is National Review writer and NY Times best selling author David French. He was the subject of a recent piece in First Things by NY Post op-ed editor Sohrab Ahmari entitled "Against David French-ism." In it Ahmari decries French's commitment to classical liberalism and civility, which make one unable "to fight the culture war with the aim of defeating the enemy and enjoying the spoils in the form of a public square re-ordered to the common good and ultimately the Highest Good."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is National Review writer and NY Times best selling author David French. He was the subject <a href="https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/against-david-french-ism" rel="nofollow">of a recent piece in First Things by NY Post op-ed editor Sohrab Ahmari entitled &quot;Against David French-ism.&quot;</a> In it Ahmari decries French&#39;s commitment to classical liberalism and civility, which make one unable &quot;to fight the culture war with the aim of defeating the enemy and enjoying the spoils in the form of a public square re-ordered to the common good and ultimately the Highest Good.&quot;</p>

<p>David French responds to Ahmari on the podcast, shares his thoughts about the Game of Thrones finale and talks about the state of conservatism today. </p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is National Review writer and NY Times best selling author David French. He was the subject <a href="https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/against-david-french-ism" rel="nofollow">of a recent piece in First Things by NY Post op-ed editor Sohrab Ahmari entitled &quot;Against David French-ism.&quot;</a> In it Ahmari decries French&#39;s commitment to classical liberalism and civility, which make one unable &quot;to fight the culture war with the aim of defeating the enemy and enjoying the spoils in the form of a public square re-ordered to the common good and ultimately the Highest Good.&quot;</p>

<p>David French responds to Ahmari on the podcast, shares his thoughts about the Game of Thrones finale and talks about the state of conservatism today. </p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is National Review writer and NY Times best selling author David French. He was the subject <a href="https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/05/against-david-french-ism" rel="nofollow">of a recent piece in First Things by NY Post op-ed editor Sohrab Ahmari entitled &quot;Against David French-ism.&quot;</a> In it Ahmari decries French&#39;s commitment to classical liberalism and civility, which make one unable &quot;to fight the culture war with the aim of defeating the enemy and enjoying the spoils in the form of a public square re-ordered to the common good and ultimately the Highest Good.&quot;</p>

<p>David French responds to Ahmari on the podcast, shares his thoughts about the Game of Thrones finale and talks about the state of conservatism today. </p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 160: The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience, with Lee McIntyre</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2019 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Lee McIntyre. His newest book is "The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience." Attacks on science have become commonplace. Claims that climate change isn't settled science, that evolution is “only a theory,” and that scientists are conspiring to keep the truth about vaccines from the public are staples of some politicians' rhetorical repertoire. Defenders of science often point to its discoveries (penicillin! relativity!) without explaining exactly why scientific claims are superior. In this book, Lee McIntyre argues that what distinguishes science from its rivals is what he calls “the scientific attitude”―caring about evidence and being willing to change theories on the basis of new evidence. The history of science is littered with theories that were scientific but turned out to be wrong; the scientific attitude reveals why even a failed theory can help us to understand what is special about science. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>56:05</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lee McIntyre. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Attitude-Defending-Science-Pseudoscience/dp/0262039834/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=the+scientific+attitude+lee+mcintyre&qid=1556915331&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull" rel="nofollow">The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience</a>. Attacks on science have become commonplace. Claims that climate change isn&#39;t settled science, that evolution is “only a theory,” and that scientists are conspiring to keep the truth about vaccines from the public are staples of some politicians&#39; rhetorical repertoire. Defenders of science often point to its discoveries (penicillin! relativity!) without explaining exactly why scientific claims are superior. In this book, Lee McIntyre argues that what distinguishes science from its rivals is what he calls “the scientific attitude”―caring about evidence and being willing to change theories on the basis of new evidence. The history of science is littered with theories that were scientific but turned out to be wrong; the scientific attitude reveals why even a failed theory can help us to understand what is special about science. </p>

<p>McIntyre offers examples that illustrate both scientific success (a reduction in childbed fever in the nineteenth century) and failure (the flawed “discovery” of cold fusion in the twentieth century). He describes the transformation of medicine from a practice based largely on hunches into a science based on evidence; considers scientific fraud; examines the positions of ideology-driven denialists, pseudoscientists, and “skeptics” who reject scientific findings; and argues that social science, no less than natural science, should embrace the scientific attitude. McIntyre argues that the scientific attitude―the grounding of science in evidence―offers a uniquely powerful tool in the defense of science</p><p>Special Guest: Lee McIntyre.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lee McIntyre. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Attitude-Defending-Science-Pseudoscience/dp/0262039834/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=the+scientific+attitude+lee+mcintyre&qid=1556915331&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull" rel="nofollow">The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience</a>. Attacks on science have become commonplace. Claims that climate change isn&#39;t settled science, that evolution is “only a theory,” and that scientists are conspiring to keep the truth about vaccines from the public are staples of some politicians&#39; rhetorical repertoire. Defenders of science often point to its discoveries (penicillin! relativity!) without explaining exactly why scientific claims are superior. In this book, Lee McIntyre argues that what distinguishes science from its rivals is what he calls “the scientific attitude”―caring about evidence and being willing to change theories on the basis of new evidence. The history of science is littered with theories that were scientific but turned out to be wrong; the scientific attitude reveals why even a failed theory can help us to understand what is special about science. </p>

<p>McIntyre offers examples that illustrate both scientific success (a reduction in childbed fever in the nineteenth century) and failure (the flawed “discovery” of cold fusion in the twentieth century). He describes the transformation of medicine from a practice based largely on hunches into a science based on evidence; considers scientific fraud; examines the positions of ideology-driven denialists, pseudoscientists, and “skeptics” who reject scientific findings; and argues that social science, no less than natural science, should embrace the scientific attitude. McIntyre argues that the scientific attitude―the grounding of science in evidence―offers a uniquely powerful tool in the defense of science</p><p>Special Guest: Lee McIntyre.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Lee McIntyre. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Attitude-Defending-Science-Pseudoscience/dp/0262039834/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?keywords=the+scientific+attitude+lee+mcintyre&qid=1556915331&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull" rel="nofollow">The Scientific Attitude: Defending Science from Denial, Fraud, and Pseudoscience</a>. Attacks on science have become commonplace. Claims that climate change isn&#39;t settled science, that evolution is “only a theory,” and that scientists are conspiring to keep the truth about vaccines from the public are staples of some politicians&#39; rhetorical repertoire. Defenders of science often point to its discoveries (penicillin! relativity!) without explaining exactly why scientific claims are superior. In this book, Lee McIntyre argues that what distinguishes science from its rivals is what he calls “the scientific attitude”―caring about evidence and being willing to change theories on the basis of new evidence. The history of science is littered with theories that were scientific but turned out to be wrong; the scientific attitude reveals why even a failed theory can help us to understand what is special about science. </p>

<p>McIntyre offers examples that illustrate both scientific success (a reduction in childbed fever in the nineteenth century) and failure (the flawed “discovery” of cold fusion in the twentieth century). He describes the transformation of medicine from a practice based largely on hunches into a science based on evidence; considers scientific fraud; examines the positions of ideology-driven denialists, pseudoscientists, and “skeptics” who reject scientific findings; and argues that social science, no less than natural science, should embrace the scientific attitude. McIntyre argues that the scientific attitude―the grounding of science in evidence―offers a uniquely powerful tool in the defense of science</p><p>Special Guest: Lee McIntyre.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 159: Divorcing Mom: A Memoir of Psychoanalysis, with Melissa Knox</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Melissa Knox. Her new memoir is "Divorcing Mom: A Memoir of Psychoanalysis." Psychoanalysis was her family's religion instead of wafers and wine, there were Seconals, Nembutals, and gin. Baptized into the faith at fourteen, Melissa Knox endured her analyst's praise of her childlike, victimized mother who leaned too close, ate off Melissa's plate, and thought pedophile meant silly person. Gaslighted with the notions that she'd seduced her father, failed to masturbate, and betrayed her mother, Melissa shouldered the blame.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Melissa Knox. Her new memoir is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Divorcing-Mom-Psychoanalysis-Melissa-Knox/dp/1947976052" rel="nofollow">Divorcing Mom: A Memoir of Psychoanalysis</a>. Psychoanalysis was her family&#39;s religion instead of wafers and wine, there were Seconals, Nembutals, and gin. Baptized into the faith at fourteen, Melissa Knox endured her analyst&#39;s praise of her childlike, victimized mother who leaned too close, ate off Melissa&#39;s plate, and thought pedophile meant silly person. Gaslighted with the notions that she&#39;d seduced her father, failed to masturbate, and betrayed her mother, Melissa shouldered the blame. Her story of a family pulled into and torn apart by psychoanalysis exposes the abuse inherent in its authoritarianism as Melissa learns, with a startling sense of humor and admirable chagrin, that divorcing Mom is sometimes the least crazy thing to do.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Knox.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Melissa Knox. Her new memoir is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Divorcing-Mom-Psychoanalysis-Melissa-Knox/dp/1947976052" rel="nofollow">Divorcing Mom: A Memoir of Psychoanalysis</a>. Psychoanalysis was her family&#39;s religion instead of wafers and wine, there were Seconals, Nembutals, and gin. Baptized into the faith at fourteen, Melissa Knox endured her analyst&#39;s praise of her childlike, victimized mother who leaned too close, ate off Melissa&#39;s plate, and thought pedophile meant silly person. Gaslighted with the notions that she&#39;d seduced her father, failed to masturbate, and betrayed her mother, Melissa shouldered the blame. Her story of a family pulled into and torn apart by psychoanalysis exposes the abuse inherent in its authoritarianism as Melissa learns, with a startling sense of humor and admirable chagrin, that divorcing Mom is sometimes the least crazy thing to do.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Knox.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Melissa Knox. Her new memoir is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Divorcing-Mom-Psychoanalysis-Melissa-Knox/dp/1947976052" rel="nofollow">Divorcing Mom: A Memoir of Psychoanalysis</a>. Psychoanalysis was her family&#39;s religion instead of wafers and wine, there were Seconals, Nembutals, and gin. Baptized into the faith at fourteen, Melissa Knox endured her analyst&#39;s praise of her childlike, victimized mother who leaned too close, ate off Melissa&#39;s plate, and thought pedophile meant silly person. Gaslighted with the notions that she&#39;d seduced her father, failed to masturbate, and betrayed her mother, Melissa shouldered the blame. Her story of a family pulled into and torn apart by psychoanalysis exposes the abuse inherent in its authoritarianism as Melissa learns, with a startling sense of humor and admirable chagrin, that divorcing Mom is sometimes the least crazy thing to do.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Knox.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 158: The Perils of Partnership, with Jonathan H. Marks</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2019 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jonathan H. Marks. His new book is "The Perils of Partnership: Industry Influence, Institutional Integrity, and Public Health." Countless public health agencies are trying to solve our most intractable public health problems -- among them, the obesity and opioid epidemics -- by partnering with corporations responsible for creating or exacerbating those problems. We are told industry must be part of the solution. But is it time to challenge the partnership paradigm and the popular narratives that sustain it? </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan H. Marks. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Perils-Partnership-Influence-Institutional-Integrity/dp/0190907088/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow">The Perils of Partnership: Industry Influence, Institutional Integrity, and Public Health</a>. Countless public health agencies are trying to solve our most intractable public health problems -- among them, the obesity and opioid epidemics -- by partnering with corporations responsible for creating or exacerbating those problems. We are told industry must be part of the solution. But is it time to challenge the partnership paradigm and the popular narratives that sustain it? </p>

<p>In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Perils-Partnership-Influence-Institutional-Integrity/dp/0190907088/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow">The Perils of Partnership,</a> Jonathan H. Marks argues that public-private partnerships and multi-stakeholder initiatives create &quot;webs of influence&quot; that undermine the integrity of public health agencies; distort public health research and policy; and reinforce the framing of public health problems and their solutions in ways that are least threatening to the commercial interests of corporate &quot;partners&quot;. We should expect multinational corporations to develop strategies of influence -- but public bodies can and should develop counter-strategies to insulate themselves from corporate influence in all its forms. Marks reviews the norms that regulate public-public interactions (separation of powers) and private-private interactions (antitrust and competition law), and argues for an analogous set of norms to govern public-private interactions. He also offers a novel framework to help public bodies identify the systemic ethical implications of their current or proposed relationships with industry actors. </p>

<p>Marks makes a compelling case that the default public-private interaction should be at arm&#39;s length: separation, not collaboration. He calls for a new paradigm that avoids the perils of corporate influence and more effectively protects and promotes public health. The Perils of Partnership is essential reading for public health officials and policymakers -- but anyone interested in public health will recognize the urgency of this book. </p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan H. Marks.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan H. Marks. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Perils-Partnership-Influence-Institutional-Integrity/dp/0190907088/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow">The Perils of Partnership: Industry Influence, Institutional Integrity, and Public Health</a>. Countless public health agencies are trying to solve our most intractable public health problems -- among them, the obesity and opioid epidemics -- by partnering with corporations responsible for creating or exacerbating those problems. We are told industry must be part of the solution. But is it time to challenge the partnership paradigm and the popular narratives that sustain it? </p>

<p>In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Perils-Partnership-Influence-Institutional-Integrity/dp/0190907088/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow">The Perils of Partnership,</a> Jonathan H. Marks argues that public-private partnerships and multi-stakeholder initiatives create &quot;webs of influence&quot; that undermine the integrity of public health agencies; distort public health research and policy; and reinforce the framing of public health problems and their solutions in ways that are least threatening to the commercial interests of corporate &quot;partners&quot;. We should expect multinational corporations to develop strategies of influence -- but public bodies can and should develop counter-strategies to insulate themselves from corporate influence in all its forms. Marks reviews the norms that regulate public-public interactions (separation of powers) and private-private interactions (antitrust and competition law), and argues for an analogous set of norms to govern public-private interactions. He also offers a novel framework to help public bodies identify the systemic ethical implications of their current or proposed relationships with industry actors. </p>

<p>Marks makes a compelling case that the default public-private interaction should be at arm&#39;s length: separation, not collaboration. He calls for a new paradigm that avoids the perils of corporate influence and more effectively protects and promotes public health. The Perils of Partnership is essential reading for public health officials and policymakers -- but anyone interested in public health will recognize the urgency of this book. </p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan H. Marks.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan H. Marks. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Perils-Partnership-Influence-Institutional-Integrity/dp/0190907088/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow">The Perils of Partnership: Industry Influence, Institutional Integrity, and Public Health</a>. Countless public health agencies are trying to solve our most intractable public health problems -- among them, the obesity and opioid epidemics -- by partnering with corporations responsible for creating or exacerbating those problems. We are told industry must be part of the solution. But is it time to challenge the partnership paradigm and the popular narratives that sustain it? </p>

<p>In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Perils-Partnership-Influence-Institutional-Integrity/dp/0190907088/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow">The Perils of Partnership,</a> Jonathan H. Marks argues that public-private partnerships and multi-stakeholder initiatives create &quot;webs of influence&quot; that undermine the integrity of public health agencies; distort public health research and policy; and reinforce the framing of public health problems and their solutions in ways that are least threatening to the commercial interests of corporate &quot;partners&quot;. We should expect multinational corporations to develop strategies of influence -- but public bodies can and should develop counter-strategies to insulate themselves from corporate influence in all its forms. Marks reviews the norms that regulate public-public interactions (separation of powers) and private-private interactions (antitrust and competition law), and argues for an analogous set of norms to govern public-private interactions. He also offers a novel framework to help public bodies identify the systemic ethical implications of their current or proposed relationships with industry actors. </p>

<p>Marks makes a compelling case that the default public-private interaction should be at arm&#39;s length: separation, not collaboration. He calls for a new paradigm that avoids the perils of corporate influence and more effectively protects and promotes public health. The Perils of Partnership is essential reading for public health officials and policymakers -- but anyone interested in public health will recognize the urgency of this book. </p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan H. Marks.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 157: The Risk Of Us, with Rachel Howard</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Rachel Howard. Her newest book is "The Risk Of Us." What is the cost of motherhood? When The Risk of Us opens, we meet a forty-something woman who deeply wants to become a mother. The path that opens up to her and her husband takes them through the foster care system, with the goal of adoption. And when seven-year-old Maresa—with inch-deep dimples and a voice that can beam to the moon—comes into their lives, their hearts fill with love. But her rages and troubles threaten to crack open their marriage. Over the course of a year, as Maresa approaches the age at which children become nearly impossible to place, the couple must decide if they can be the parents this child needs, and finalize the adoption—or, almost unthinkably, give her up.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>43:41</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rachel Howard. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Risk-Us-Rachel-Howard/dp/1328588823" rel="nofollow">The Risk Of Us</a>. What is the cost of motherhood? When The Risk of Us opens, we meet a forty-something woman who deeply wants to become a mother. The path that opens up to her and her husband takes them through the foster care system, with the goal of adoption. And when seven-year-old Maresa—with inch-deep dimples and a voice that can beam to the moon—comes into their lives, their hearts fill with love. But her rages and troubles threaten to crack open their marriage. Over the course of a year, as Maresa approaches the age at which children become nearly impossible to place, the couple must decide if they can be the parents this child needs, and finalize the adoption—or, almost unthinkably, give her up.</p>

<p>For fans of Jenny Offill and Rachel Cusk, The Risk of Us deftly explores the inevitable tests children bring to a marriage, the uncertainties of family life, and the ways true empathy obliterates our defenses.</p><p>Special Guest: Rachel Howard.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rachel Howard. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Risk-Us-Rachel-Howard/dp/1328588823" rel="nofollow">The Risk Of Us</a>. What is the cost of motherhood? When The Risk of Us opens, we meet a forty-something woman who deeply wants to become a mother. The path that opens up to her and her husband takes them through the foster care system, with the goal of adoption. And when seven-year-old Maresa—with inch-deep dimples and a voice that can beam to the moon—comes into their lives, their hearts fill with love. But her rages and troubles threaten to crack open their marriage. Over the course of a year, as Maresa approaches the age at which children become nearly impossible to place, the couple must decide if they can be the parents this child needs, and finalize the adoption—or, almost unthinkably, give her up.</p>

<p>For fans of Jenny Offill and Rachel Cusk, The Risk of Us deftly explores the inevitable tests children bring to a marriage, the uncertainties of family life, and the ways true empathy obliterates our defenses.</p><p>Special Guest: Rachel Howard.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rachel Howard. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Risk-Us-Rachel-Howard/dp/1328588823" rel="nofollow">The Risk Of Us</a>. What is the cost of motherhood? When The Risk of Us opens, we meet a forty-something woman who deeply wants to become a mother. The path that opens up to her and her husband takes them through the foster care system, with the goal of adoption. And when seven-year-old Maresa—with inch-deep dimples and a voice that can beam to the moon—comes into their lives, their hearts fill with love. But her rages and troubles threaten to crack open their marriage. Over the course of a year, as Maresa approaches the age at which children become nearly impossible to place, the couple must decide if they can be the parents this child needs, and finalize the adoption—or, almost unthinkably, give her up.</p>

<p>For fans of Jenny Offill and Rachel Cusk, The Risk of Us deftly explores the inevitable tests children bring to a marriage, the uncertainties of family life, and the ways true empathy obliterates our defenses.</p><p>Special Guest: Rachel Howard.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 156: To Be A Runner, with Martin Dugard</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Apr 2019 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Martin Dugard. He's the author of the critically acclaimed "To Be A Runner." Now with a new introduction and additional stories accumulated in the eight years since its original publication, To Be a Runner is a fresh and exciting update on a running classic. With an exuberant mix of passion, insight, instruction, and humor, bestselling author and lifelong runner Martin Dugard takes a journey through the world of running to illustrate how the sport helps us fulfill that universal desire to be the best possible version of ourselves each and every time we lace up our shoes.  </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:48</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Martin Dugard. He&#39;s the author of the critically acclaimed <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Be-Runner-Racing-Mountains-Running/dp/1635653630/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=to+be+a+runner+paperback&qid=1554858046&s=digital-text&sr=8-1-spell" rel="nofollow">To Be A Runner</a>. Now with a new introduction and additional stories accumulated in the eight years since its original publication, To Be a Runner is a fresh and exciting update on a running classic. With an exuberant mix of passion, insight, instruction, and humor, bestselling author and lifelong runner Martin Dugard takes a journey through the world of running to illustrate how the sport helps us fulfill that universal desire to be the best possible version of ourselves each and every time we lace up our shoes.  </p>

<p>To Be a Runner represents a new way to write about running by bridging the chasm between the two categories of running books: how-to and personal narrative. Spinning colorful stories of his running and racing adventures on six continents, Dugard considers what it means to truly integrate running into one&#39;s life. As entertaining as it is provocative, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Be-Runner-Racing-Mountains-Running/dp/1635653630/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=to+be+a+runner+paperback&qid=1554858046&s=digital-text&sr=8-1-spell" rel="nofollow">To Be a Runner</a> is about far more than running: It is about life, and how we should live it.</p><p>Special Guest: Martin Dugard.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Martin Dugard. He&#39;s the author of the critically acclaimed <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Be-Runner-Racing-Mountains-Running/dp/1635653630/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=to+be+a+runner+paperback&qid=1554858046&s=digital-text&sr=8-1-spell" rel="nofollow">To Be A Runner</a>. Now with a new introduction and additional stories accumulated in the eight years since its original publication, To Be a Runner is a fresh and exciting update on a running classic. With an exuberant mix of passion, insight, instruction, and humor, bestselling author and lifelong runner Martin Dugard takes a journey through the world of running to illustrate how the sport helps us fulfill that universal desire to be the best possible version of ourselves each and every time we lace up our shoes.  </p>

<p>To Be a Runner represents a new way to write about running by bridging the chasm between the two categories of running books: how-to and personal narrative. Spinning colorful stories of his running and racing adventures on six continents, Dugard considers what it means to truly integrate running into one&#39;s life. As entertaining as it is provocative, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Be-Runner-Racing-Mountains-Running/dp/1635653630/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=to+be+a+runner+paperback&qid=1554858046&s=digital-text&sr=8-1-spell" rel="nofollow">To Be a Runner</a> is about far more than running: It is about life, and how we should live it.</p><p>Special Guest: Martin Dugard.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Martin Dugard. He&#39;s the author of the critically acclaimed <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Be-Runner-Racing-Mountains-Running/dp/1635653630/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=to+be+a+runner+paperback&qid=1554858046&s=digital-text&sr=8-1-spell" rel="nofollow">To Be A Runner</a>. Now with a new introduction and additional stories accumulated in the eight years since its original publication, To Be a Runner is a fresh and exciting update on a running classic. With an exuberant mix of passion, insight, instruction, and humor, bestselling author and lifelong runner Martin Dugard takes a journey through the world of running to illustrate how the sport helps us fulfill that universal desire to be the best possible version of ourselves each and every time we lace up our shoes.  </p>

<p>To Be a Runner represents a new way to write about running by bridging the chasm between the two categories of running books: how-to and personal narrative. Spinning colorful stories of his running and racing adventures on six continents, Dugard considers what it means to truly integrate running into one&#39;s life. As entertaining as it is provocative, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Be-Runner-Racing-Mountains-Running/dp/1635653630/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=to+be+a+runner+paperback&qid=1554858046&s=digital-text&sr=8-1-spell" rel="nofollow">To Be a Runner</a> is about far more than running: It is about life, and how we should live it.</p><p>Special Guest: Martin Dugard.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 155: Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It, with David Zahl</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Mar 2019 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Zahl. His newest book is "Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It." At the heart of our current moment lies a universal yearning, writes David Zahl, not to be happy or respected so much as enough--what religions call "righteous." To fill the void left by religion, we look to all sorts of everyday activities--from eating and parenting to dating and voting--for the identity, purpose, and meaning once provided on Sunday morning.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:07:42</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Zahl. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Seculosity-Parenting-Technology-Politics-Religion/dp/1506449433/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=seculosity&qid=1553607902&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It</a>. At the heart of our current moment lies a universal yearning, writes David Zahl, not to be happy or respected so much as enough--what religions call &quot;righteous.&quot; To fill the void left by religion, we look to all sorts of everyday activities--from eating and parenting to dating and voting--for the identity, purpose, and meaning once provided on Sunday morning.</p>

<p>In our striving, we are chasing a sense of enoughness. But it remains ever out of reach, and the effort and anxiety are burning us out. Seculosity takes a thoughtful yet entertaining tour of American &quot;performancism&quot; and its cousins, highlighting both their ingenuity and mercilessness, all while challenging the conventional narrative of religious decline. Zahl unmasks the competing pieties around which so much of our lives revolve, and he does so in a way that&#39;s at points playful, personal, and incisive. Ultimately he brings us to a fresh appreciation for the grace of God in all its countercultural wonder.</p><p>Special Guest: David Zahl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Zahl. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Seculosity-Parenting-Technology-Politics-Religion/dp/1506449433/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=seculosity&qid=1553607902&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It</a>. At the heart of our current moment lies a universal yearning, writes David Zahl, not to be happy or respected so much as enough--what religions call &quot;righteous.&quot; To fill the void left by religion, we look to all sorts of everyday activities--from eating and parenting to dating and voting--for the identity, purpose, and meaning once provided on Sunday morning.</p>

<p>In our striving, we are chasing a sense of enoughness. But it remains ever out of reach, and the effort and anxiety are burning us out. Seculosity takes a thoughtful yet entertaining tour of American &quot;performancism&quot; and its cousins, highlighting both their ingenuity and mercilessness, all while challenging the conventional narrative of religious decline. Zahl unmasks the competing pieties around which so much of our lives revolve, and he does so in a way that&#39;s at points playful, personal, and incisive. Ultimately he brings us to a fresh appreciation for the grace of God in all its countercultural wonder.</p><p>Special Guest: David Zahl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Zahl. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Seculosity-Parenting-Technology-Politics-Religion/dp/1506449433/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=seculosity&qid=1553607902&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Seculosity: How Career, Parenting, Technology, Food, Politics, and Romance Became Our New Religion and What to Do about It</a>. At the heart of our current moment lies a universal yearning, writes David Zahl, not to be happy or respected so much as enough--what religions call &quot;righteous.&quot; To fill the void left by religion, we look to all sorts of everyday activities--from eating and parenting to dating and voting--for the identity, purpose, and meaning once provided on Sunday morning.</p>

<p>In our striving, we are chasing a sense of enoughness. But it remains ever out of reach, and the effort and anxiety are burning us out. Seculosity takes a thoughtful yet entertaining tour of American &quot;performancism&quot; and its cousins, highlighting both their ingenuity and mercilessness, all while challenging the conventional narrative of religious decline. Zahl unmasks the competing pieties around which so much of our lives revolve, and he does so in a way that&#39;s at points playful, personal, and incisive. Ultimately he brings us to a fresh appreciation for the grace of God in all its countercultural wonder.</p><p>Special Guest: David Zahl.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 154: The Girl In The Back, with Laura Davis-Chanin</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Laura Davis-Chanin. Her new book is "The Girl In The Back: A Female Drummer's Life with Bowie, Blondie and the '70s Rock Scene." Nineteen seventy-seven. New York City. Dark. Dangerous. Thrilling. Punk Rock. Blondie. David Bowie. Drinking. Drugs. Happening at the speed of light. Seventeen-year old Laura quaking within her skin while the bursting punk rock revolution explodes around her starts a band with her teenage friends called the Student Teachers. She's the drummer. They play legendary clubs CBGB and Max's Kansas City. They rehearse madly write songs and tour the East Coast, all between final exams at school. In comes Jimmy Destri from Blondie. He thinks the Student Teachers are terrific! And then he falls in love with Laura. He pulls her into the glamorous life of Blondie and introduces her to David Bowie.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>43:48</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Davis-Chanin. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Back-Female-Drummers-Blondie/dp/1617136875" rel="nofollow">The Girl In The Back: A Female Drummer&#39;s Life with Bowie, Blondie and the &#39;70s Rock Scene</a>. Nineteen seventy-seven. New York City. Dark. Dangerous. Thrilling. Punk Rock. Blondie. David Bowie. Drinking. Drugs. Happening at the speed of light. Seventeen-year old Laura quaking within her skin while the bursting punk rock revolution explodes around her starts a band with her teenage friends called the Student Teachers. She&#39;s the drummer. They play legendary clubs CBGB and Max&#39;s Kansas City. They rehearse madly write songs and tour the East Coast, all between final exams at school. In comes Jimmy Destri from Blondie. He thinks the Student Teachers are terrific! And then he falls in love with Laura. He pulls her into the glamorous life of Blondie and introduces her to David Bowie. Bowie takes an interest in Laura&#39;s band, attends their rehearsals, and sets them up to open for Iggy Pop at the Palladium on Halloween 1979. It&#39;s exhilarating! It&#39;s the beginning of amazing success in rock &#39;n&#39; roll! Until it all comes to a stunning stop. After playing a show at Town Hall in 1980, Laura is diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Does it all fall apart? Later, at a dinner with Bowie, he whispers something to Laura. And it helps her save her life. In prose that flows like music, Laura Davis-Chanin presents a rich work of narrative nonfiction that is not only deeply personal but also revealing of the punk rock heyday in New York City. Infused with rare photographs, this book is a journey through a unique, ephemeral life experience.</p>

<p>Laura Davis-Chanin is a writer and lawyer. She is currently working on a novel and a series of short stories. She can be heard on the podcast <a href="https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/about-phi-fic/" rel="nofollow">Phi-Fic: Truth in Fiction</a> on the philosophy site <a href="https://partiallyexaminedlife.com" rel="nofollow">The Partially Examined Life </a>and is working on a master s degree in philosophy at Edinburgh University. She is most thankful for her beautiful daughters, Zoe and Mara.</p><p>Special Guest: Laura Davis-Chanin .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Davis-Chanin. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Back-Female-Drummers-Blondie/dp/1617136875" rel="nofollow">The Girl In The Back: A Female Drummer&#39;s Life with Bowie, Blondie and the &#39;70s Rock Scene</a>. Nineteen seventy-seven. New York City. Dark. Dangerous. Thrilling. Punk Rock. Blondie. David Bowie. Drinking. Drugs. Happening at the speed of light. Seventeen-year old Laura quaking within her skin while the bursting punk rock revolution explodes around her starts a band with her teenage friends called the Student Teachers. She&#39;s the drummer. They play legendary clubs CBGB and Max&#39;s Kansas City. They rehearse madly write songs and tour the East Coast, all between final exams at school. In comes Jimmy Destri from Blondie. He thinks the Student Teachers are terrific! And then he falls in love with Laura. He pulls her into the glamorous life of Blondie and introduces her to David Bowie. Bowie takes an interest in Laura&#39;s band, attends their rehearsals, and sets them up to open for Iggy Pop at the Palladium on Halloween 1979. It&#39;s exhilarating! It&#39;s the beginning of amazing success in rock &#39;n&#39; roll! Until it all comes to a stunning stop. After playing a show at Town Hall in 1980, Laura is diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Does it all fall apart? Later, at a dinner with Bowie, he whispers something to Laura. And it helps her save her life. In prose that flows like music, Laura Davis-Chanin presents a rich work of narrative nonfiction that is not only deeply personal but also revealing of the punk rock heyday in New York City. Infused with rare photographs, this book is a journey through a unique, ephemeral life experience.</p>

<p>Laura Davis-Chanin is a writer and lawyer. She is currently working on a novel and a series of short stories. She can be heard on the podcast <a href="https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/about-phi-fic/" rel="nofollow">Phi-Fic: Truth in Fiction</a> on the philosophy site <a href="https://partiallyexaminedlife.com" rel="nofollow">The Partially Examined Life </a>and is working on a master s degree in philosophy at Edinburgh University. She is most thankful for her beautiful daughters, Zoe and Mara.</p><p>Special Guest: Laura Davis-Chanin .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Davis-Chanin. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Girl-Back-Female-Drummers-Blondie/dp/1617136875" rel="nofollow">The Girl In The Back: A Female Drummer&#39;s Life with Bowie, Blondie and the &#39;70s Rock Scene</a>. Nineteen seventy-seven. New York City. Dark. Dangerous. Thrilling. Punk Rock. Blondie. David Bowie. Drinking. Drugs. Happening at the speed of light. Seventeen-year old Laura quaking within her skin while the bursting punk rock revolution explodes around her starts a band with her teenage friends called the Student Teachers. She&#39;s the drummer. They play legendary clubs CBGB and Max&#39;s Kansas City. They rehearse madly write songs and tour the East Coast, all between final exams at school. In comes Jimmy Destri from Blondie. He thinks the Student Teachers are terrific! And then he falls in love with Laura. He pulls her into the glamorous life of Blondie and introduces her to David Bowie. Bowie takes an interest in Laura&#39;s band, attends their rehearsals, and sets them up to open for Iggy Pop at the Palladium on Halloween 1979. It&#39;s exhilarating! It&#39;s the beginning of amazing success in rock &#39;n&#39; roll! Until it all comes to a stunning stop. After playing a show at Town Hall in 1980, Laura is diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Does it all fall apart? Later, at a dinner with Bowie, he whispers something to Laura. And it helps her save her life. In prose that flows like music, Laura Davis-Chanin presents a rich work of narrative nonfiction that is not only deeply personal but also revealing of the punk rock heyday in New York City. Infused with rare photographs, this book is a journey through a unique, ephemeral life experience.</p>

<p>Laura Davis-Chanin is a writer and lawyer. She is currently working on a novel and a series of short stories. She can be heard on the podcast <a href="https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/about-phi-fic/" rel="nofollow">Phi-Fic: Truth in Fiction</a> on the philosophy site <a href="https://partiallyexaminedlife.com" rel="nofollow">The Partially Examined Life </a>and is working on a master s degree in philosophy at Edinburgh University. She is most thankful for her beautiful daughters, Zoe and Mara.</p><p>Special Guest: Laura Davis-Chanin .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 153: The Trouble With Men, with David Shields</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Shields. His new book, "The Trouble with Men: Reflections on Sex, Love, Marriage, Porn, and Power" is an immersion into the perils, limits, and possibilities of human intimacy. All at once a love letter to his wife, a nervy reckoning with his own fallibility, a meditation on the impact of porn on American culture, and an attempt to understand marriage (one marriage, the idea of marriage, all marriages), "The Trouble with Men" is exquisitely balanced between the personal and the anthropological, nakedness and restraint. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. His new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trouble-Men-Reflections-Marriage-Century/dp/0814255191" rel="nofollow">The Trouble with Men: Reflections on Sex, Love, Marriage, Porn, and Power</a> is an immersion into the perils, limits, and possibilities of human intimacy. All at once a love letter to his wife, a nervy reckoning with his own fallibility, a meditation on the impact of porn on American culture, and an attempt to understand marriage (one marriage, the idea of marriage, all marriages), <em>The Trouble with Men</em> is exquisitely balanced between the personal and the anthropological, nakedness and restraint. While unashamedly intellectual, it’s also irresistibly readable and extremely moving. Over five increasingly intimate chapters, Shields probes the contours of his own psyche and marriage, marshalling a chorus of other voices that leaven, deepen, and universalize his experience; his goal is nothing less than a deconstruction of eros and conventional masculinity. Masterfully woven throughout is an unmistakable and surprisingly tender cri de coeur to his wife. The risk and vulnerability on display are in the service of radical candor, acerbic wit, real emotion, and profound insight—exactly what we’ve come to expect from Shields, who, in an open invitation to the reader, leaves everything on the page.</p>

<p>David Shields is the internationally best-selling author of twenty books, including <em>Reality Hunger _(named one of the best books of 2010 by more than thirty publications),</em> The Thing About Life Is That One Day You’ll Be Dead <em>(New York Times bestseller),</em> Black Planet <em>(finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award), and _Other People: Takes &amp; Mistakes</em> (NYTBR Editors’ Choice selection). The film adaptation of <em>I Think You’re Totally Wrong: A Quarrel</em> was released by First Pond Entertainment in 2017. A recipient of Guggenheim and NEA fellowships and a senior contributing editor of Conjunctions, Shields has published essays and stories in the New York Times Magazine, Harper’s, Esquire, Yale Review, Salon, Slate, McSweeney’s, and Believer. His work has been translated into two dozen languages.</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. His new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trouble-Men-Reflections-Marriage-Century/dp/0814255191" rel="nofollow">The Trouble with Men: Reflections on Sex, Love, Marriage, Porn, and Power</a> is an immersion into the perils, limits, and possibilities of human intimacy. All at once a love letter to his wife, a nervy reckoning with his own fallibility, a meditation on the impact of porn on American culture, and an attempt to understand marriage (one marriage, the idea of marriage, all marriages), <em>The Trouble with Men</em> is exquisitely balanced between the personal and the anthropological, nakedness and restraint. While unashamedly intellectual, it’s also irresistibly readable and extremely moving. Over five increasingly intimate chapters, Shields probes the contours of his own psyche and marriage, marshalling a chorus of other voices that leaven, deepen, and universalize his experience; his goal is nothing less than a deconstruction of eros and conventional masculinity. Masterfully woven throughout is an unmistakable and surprisingly tender cri de coeur to his wife. The risk and vulnerability on display are in the service of radical candor, acerbic wit, real emotion, and profound insight—exactly what we’ve come to expect from Shields, who, in an open invitation to the reader, leaves everything on the page.</p>

<p>David Shields is the internationally best-selling author of twenty books, including <em>Reality Hunger _(named one of the best books of 2010 by more than thirty publications),</em> The Thing About Life Is That One Day You’ll Be Dead <em>(New York Times bestseller),</em> Black Planet <em>(finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award), and _Other People: Takes &amp; Mistakes</em> (NYTBR Editors’ Choice selection). The film adaptation of <em>I Think You’re Totally Wrong: A Quarrel</em> was released by First Pond Entertainment in 2017. A recipient of Guggenheim and NEA fellowships and a senior contributing editor of Conjunctions, Shields has published essays and stories in the New York Times Magazine, Harper’s, Esquire, Yale Review, Salon, Slate, McSweeney’s, and Believer. His work has been translated into two dozen languages.</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. His new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Trouble-Men-Reflections-Marriage-Century/dp/0814255191" rel="nofollow">The Trouble with Men: Reflections on Sex, Love, Marriage, Porn, and Power</a> is an immersion into the perils, limits, and possibilities of human intimacy. All at once a love letter to his wife, a nervy reckoning with his own fallibility, a meditation on the impact of porn on American culture, and an attempt to understand marriage (one marriage, the idea of marriage, all marriages), <em>The Trouble with Men</em> is exquisitely balanced between the personal and the anthropological, nakedness and restraint. While unashamedly intellectual, it’s also irresistibly readable and extremely moving. Over five increasingly intimate chapters, Shields probes the contours of his own psyche and marriage, marshalling a chorus of other voices that leaven, deepen, and universalize his experience; his goal is nothing less than a deconstruction of eros and conventional masculinity. Masterfully woven throughout is an unmistakable and surprisingly tender cri de coeur to his wife. The risk and vulnerability on display are in the service of radical candor, acerbic wit, real emotion, and profound insight—exactly what we’ve come to expect from Shields, who, in an open invitation to the reader, leaves everything on the page.</p>

<p>David Shields is the internationally best-selling author of twenty books, including <em>Reality Hunger _(named one of the best books of 2010 by more than thirty publications),</em> The Thing About Life Is That One Day You’ll Be Dead <em>(New York Times bestseller),</em> Black Planet <em>(finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award), and _Other People: Takes &amp; Mistakes</em> (NYTBR Editors’ Choice selection). The film adaptation of <em>I Think You’re Totally Wrong: A Quarrel</em> was released by First Pond Entertainment in 2017. A recipient of Guggenheim and NEA fellowships and a senior contributing editor of Conjunctions, Shields has published essays and stories in the New York Times Magazine, Harper’s, Esquire, Yale Review, Salon, Slate, McSweeney’s, and Believer. His work has been translated into two dozen languages.</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 152: First the Jews: Combating the World’s Longest-Running Hate Campaign, Evan Moffic</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Rabbi Evan Moffic. His newest book is "First the Jews: Combating the World’s Longest-Running Hate Campaign." News reports of and statistics about defaced synagogues and death threats against community centers are on the rise around the world. A rise in anti-Semitism from the right side of the political spectrum has been accompanied by a different kind of anti-Semitism from parts of the left revolving around the state of Israel.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>52:04</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Evan Moffic. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/First-Jews-Combating-Longest-Running-Campaign/dp/1501870831/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=First+The+Jews&qid=1552353394&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1" rel="nofollow">First the Jews: Combating the World’s Longest-Running Hate Campaign.</a> News reports of and statistics about defaced synagogues and death threats against community centers are on the rise around the world. A rise in anti-Semitism from the right side of the political spectrum has been accompanied by a different kind of anti-Semitism from parts of the left revolving around the state of Israel.</p>

<p>Rabbi Evan Moffic provides a compelling discussion to help Christians understand this dangerous rise by working to address tough questions including:</p>

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<li>Why have Jews been the object of the most enduring and universal hatred in history?</li>
<li>What is different between anti-Semitism in the past versus today’s culture?</li>
<li>How, and in what forms, may it be carried out in the future?</li>
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<p>Focusing on the events since September 11, 2001, Rabbi Evan Moffic considers the twenty-first century anti-Semitism and the historical pattern of discrimination to other groups that often follows new waves of discrimination against Jewish communities. With a hopeful and collaborative tone, he suggests actions for all people of faith to combat words and actions of hate while lifting up practical ways Christians and Jews can work together.</p>

<p>First the Jews offers new insights and unparalleled perspectives on some of the most recent, pressing developments in the contemporary world.</p><p>Special Guest: Evan Moffic.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Evan Moffic. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/First-Jews-Combating-Longest-Running-Campaign/dp/1501870831/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=First+The+Jews&qid=1552353394&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1" rel="nofollow">First the Jews: Combating the World’s Longest-Running Hate Campaign.</a> News reports of and statistics about defaced synagogues and death threats against community centers are on the rise around the world. A rise in anti-Semitism from the right side of the political spectrum has been accompanied by a different kind of anti-Semitism from parts of the left revolving around the state of Israel.</p>

<p>Rabbi Evan Moffic provides a compelling discussion to help Christians understand this dangerous rise by working to address tough questions including:</p>

<ul>
<li>Why have Jews been the object of the most enduring and universal hatred in history?</li>
<li>What is different between anti-Semitism in the past versus today’s culture?</li>
<li>How, and in what forms, may it be carried out in the future?</li>
</ul>

<p>Focusing on the events since September 11, 2001, Rabbi Evan Moffic considers the twenty-first century anti-Semitism and the historical pattern of discrimination to other groups that often follows new waves of discrimination against Jewish communities. With a hopeful and collaborative tone, he suggests actions for all people of faith to combat words and actions of hate while lifting up practical ways Christians and Jews can work together.</p>

<p>First the Jews offers new insights and unparalleled perspectives on some of the most recent, pressing developments in the contemporary world.</p><p>Special Guest: Evan Moffic.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Evan Moffic. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/First-Jews-Combating-Longest-Running-Campaign/dp/1501870831/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=First+The+Jews&qid=1552353394&s=gateway&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1" rel="nofollow">First the Jews: Combating the World’s Longest-Running Hate Campaign.</a> News reports of and statistics about defaced synagogues and death threats against community centers are on the rise around the world. A rise in anti-Semitism from the right side of the political spectrum has been accompanied by a different kind of anti-Semitism from parts of the left revolving around the state of Israel.</p>

<p>Rabbi Evan Moffic provides a compelling discussion to help Christians understand this dangerous rise by working to address tough questions including:</p>

<ul>
<li>Why have Jews been the object of the most enduring and universal hatred in history?</li>
<li>What is different between anti-Semitism in the past versus today’s culture?</li>
<li>How, and in what forms, may it be carried out in the future?</li>
</ul>

<p>Focusing on the events since September 11, 2001, Rabbi Evan Moffic considers the twenty-first century anti-Semitism and the historical pattern of discrimination to other groups that often follows new waves of discrimination against Jewish communities. With a hopeful and collaborative tone, he suggests actions for all people of faith to combat words and actions of hate while lifting up practical ways Christians and Jews can work together.</p>

<p>First the Jews offers new insights and unparalleled perspectives on some of the most recent, pressing developments in the contemporary world.</p><p>Special Guest: Evan Moffic.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 151: In this World of Wonders, with Nicholas Wolterstorff</title>
      <link>https://giveandtake.fireside.fm/151</link>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2019 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Nicholas Wolterstorff. World-renowned Christian philosopher. Beloved professor. Author of the classic "Lament for a Son." Nicholas Wolterstorff is all of these and more. His memoir, "In This World of Wonders," opens a remarkable new window into the life and thought of this remarkable man.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:03:50</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nicholas Wolterstorff. World-renowned Christian philosopher. Beloved professor. Author of the classic <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Professor-Emeritus-Philosophical-Theology-Wolterstorff/dp/080280294X/ref=pd_sim_14_1/147-1749716-5340640?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=080280294X&pd_rd_r=ff8d50ec-3f9c-11e9-870e-afb0e07225f8&pd_rd_w=vBmat&pd_rd_wg=Y10yc&pf_rd_p=90485860-83e9-4fd9-b838-b28a9b7fda30&pf_rd_r=HAW6HG118X3ZAJ4HWQV0&psc=1&refRID=HAW6HG118X3ZAJ4HWQV0" rel="nofollow">Lament for a Son</a>. Nicholas Wolterstorff is all of these and more. His memoir, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-World-Wonders-Memoir-Learning/dp/080287679X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=in+this+world+of+wonders&qid=1551827911&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">In This World of Wonders</a> opens a remarkable new window into the life and thought of this remarkable man.</p>

<p>Written not as a complete life story but as a series of vignettes, Wolterstorff’s memoir moves from his humble beginnings in a tiny Minnesota village to his education at Calvin College and Harvard University, to his career of teaching philosophy and writing books, to the experiences that prompted some of his writing—particularly his witnessing South African apartheid and Palestinian oppression firsthand.</p>

<p>I<a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-World-Wonders-Memoir-Learning/dp/080287679X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=in+this+world+of+wonders&qid=1551827911&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">n This World of Wonders</a> is the story of a thoughtful and grateful Christian whose life has been shaped by many loves—love of philosophy, love of family, love of art and architecture, love of nature and gardening, and more. It’s a lovely, wonderful story.</p><p>Special Guest: Nicholas Wolterstorff .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nicholas Wolterstorff. World-renowned Christian philosopher. Beloved professor. Author of the classic <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Professor-Emeritus-Philosophical-Theology-Wolterstorff/dp/080280294X/ref=pd_sim_14_1/147-1749716-5340640?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=080280294X&pd_rd_r=ff8d50ec-3f9c-11e9-870e-afb0e07225f8&pd_rd_w=vBmat&pd_rd_wg=Y10yc&pf_rd_p=90485860-83e9-4fd9-b838-b28a9b7fda30&pf_rd_r=HAW6HG118X3ZAJ4HWQV0&psc=1&refRID=HAW6HG118X3ZAJ4HWQV0" rel="nofollow">Lament for a Son</a>. Nicholas Wolterstorff is all of these and more. His memoir, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-World-Wonders-Memoir-Learning/dp/080287679X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=in+this+world+of+wonders&qid=1551827911&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">In This World of Wonders</a> opens a remarkable new window into the life and thought of this remarkable man.</p>

<p>Written not as a complete life story but as a series of vignettes, Wolterstorff’s memoir moves from his humble beginnings in a tiny Minnesota village to his education at Calvin College and Harvard University, to his career of teaching philosophy and writing books, to the experiences that prompted some of his writing—particularly his witnessing South African apartheid and Palestinian oppression firsthand.</p>

<p>I<a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-World-Wonders-Memoir-Learning/dp/080287679X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=in+this+world+of+wonders&qid=1551827911&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">n This World of Wonders</a> is the story of a thoughtful and grateful Christian whose life has been shaped by many loves—love of philosophy, love of family, love of art and architecture, love of nature and gardening, and more. It’s a lovely, wonderful story.</p><p>Special Guest: Nicholas Wolterstorff .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nicholas Wolterstorff. World-renowned Christian philosopher. Beloved professor. Author of the classic <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Professor-Emeritus-Philosophical-Theology-Wolterstorff/dp/080280294X/ref=pd_sim_14_1/147-1749716-5340640?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=080280294X&pd_rd_r=ff8d50ec-3f9c-11e9-870e-afb0e07225f8&pd_rd_w=vBmat&pd_rd_wg=Y10yc&pf_rd_p=90485860-83e9-4fd9-b838-b28a9b7fda30&pf_rd_r=HAW6HG118X3ZAJ4HWQV0&psc=1&refRID=HAW6HG118X3ZAJ4HWQV0" rel="nofollow">Lament for a Son</a>. Nicholas Wolterstorff is all of these and more. His memoir, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-World-Wonders-Memoir-Learning/dp/080287679X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=in+this+world+of+wonders&qid=1551827911&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">In This World of Wonders</a> opens a remarkable new window into the life and thought of this remarkable man.</p>

<p>Written not as a complete life story but as a series of vignettes, Wolterstorff’s memoir moves from his humble beginnings in a tiny Minnesota village to his education at Calvin College and Harvard University, to his career of teaching philosophy and writing books, to the experiences that prompted some of his writing—particularly his witnessing South African apartheid and Palestinian oppression firsthand.</p>

<p>I<a href="https://www.amazon.com/This-World-Wonders-Memoir-Learning/dp/080287679X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=in+this+world+of+wonders&qid=1551827911&s=gateway&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">n This World of Wonders</a> is the story of a thoughtful and grateful Christian whose life has been shaped by many loves—love of philosophy, love of family, love of art and architecture, love of nature and gardening, and more. It’s a lovely, wonderful story.</p><p>Special Guest: Nicholas Wolterstorff .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 150: Hustle and Gig: Struggling and Surviving in the Sharing Economy, with Alexandrea J. Ravenelle</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Alexandrea Ravenelle. Her new book is "Hustle and Gig." Choose your hours, choose your work, be your own boss, control your own income. Welcome to the sharing economy, a nebulous collection of online platforms and apps that promise to transcend capitalism. Supporters argue that the gig economy will reverse economic inequality, enhance worker rights, and bring entrepreneurship to the masses. But does it?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:51</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alexandrea Ravenelle. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520300564/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_Elk6BbY9AFBSR" rel="nofollow">Hustle and Gig</a>. Choose your hours, choose your work, be your own boss, control your own income. Welcome to the sharing economy, a nebulous collection of online platforms and apps that promise to transcend capitalism. Supporters argue that the gig economy will reverse economic inequality, enhance worker rights, and bring entrepreneurship to the masses. But does it?</p>

<p>In Hustle and Gig, Alexandrea J. Ravenelle shares the personal stories of nearly eighty predominantly millennial workers from Airbnb, Uber, TaskRabbit, and Kitchensurfing. Their stories underline the volatility of working in the gig economy: the autonomy these young workers expected has been usurped by the need to maintain algorithm-approved acceptance and response rates. The sharing economy upends generations of workplace protections such as worker safety; workplace protections around discrimination and sexual harassment; the right to unionize; and the right to redress for injuries. Discerning three types of gig economy workers—Success Stories, who have used the gig economy to create the life they want; Strugglers, who can’t make ends meet; and Strivers, who have stable jobs and use the sharing economy for extra cash—Ravenelle examines the costs, benefits, and societal impact of this new economic movement. Poignant and evocative, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520300564/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_Elk6BbY9AFBSR" rel="nofollow">Hustle and Gig</a> exposes how the gig economy is the millennial’s version of minimum-wage precarious work.</p><p>Special Guest: Alexandrea J. Ravenelle .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alexandrea Ravenelle. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520300564/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_Elk6BbY9AFBSR" rel="nofollow">Hustle and Gig</a>. Choose your hours, choose your work, be your own boss, control your own income. Welcome to the sharing economy, a nebulous collection of online platforms and apps that promise to transcend capitalism. Supporters argue that the gig economy will reverse economic inequality, enhance worker rights, and bring entrepreneurship to the masses. But does it?</p>

<p>In Hustle and Gig, Alexandrea J. Ravenelle shares the personal stories of nearly eighty predominantly millennial workers from Airbnb, Uber, TaskRabbit, and Kitchensurfing. Their stories underline the volatility of working in the gig economy: the autonomy these young workers expected has been usurped by the need to maintain algorithm-approved acceptance and response rates. The sharing economy upends generations of workplace protections such as worker safety; workplace protections around discrimination and sexual harassment; the right to unionize; and the right to redress for injuries. Discerning three types of gig economy workers—Success Stories, who have used the gig economy to create the life they want; Strugglers, who can’t make ends meet; and Strivers, who have stable jobs and use the sharing economy for extra cash—Ravenelle examines the costs, benefits, and societal impact of this new economic movement. Poignant and evocative, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520300564/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_Elk6BbY9AFBSR" rel="nofollow">Hustle and Gig</a> exposes how the gig economy is the millennial’s version of minimum-wage precarious work.</p><p>Special Guest: Alexandrea J. Ravenelle .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Alexandrea Ravenelle. Her new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520300564/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_Elk6BbY9AFBSR" rel="nofollow">Hustle and Gig</a>. Choose your hours, choose your work, be your own boss, control your own income. Welcome to the sharing economy, a nebulous collection of online platforms and apps that promise to transcend capitalism. Supporters argue that the gig economy will reverse economic inequality, enhance worker rights, and bring entrepreneurship to the masses. But does it?</p>

<p>In Hustle and Gig, Alexandrea J. Ravenelle shares the personal stories of nearly eighty predominantly millennial workers from Airbnb, Uber, TaskRabbit, and Kitchensurfing. Their stories underline the volatility of working in the gig economy: the autonomy these young workers expected has been usurped by the need to maintain algorithm-approved acceptance and response rates. The sharing economy upends generations of workplace protections such as worker safety; workplace protections around discrimination and sexual harassment; the right to unionize; and the right to redress for injuries. Discerning three types of gig economy workers—Success Stories, who have used the gig economy to create the life they want; Strugglers, who can’t make ends meet; and Strivers, who have stable jobs and use the sharing economy for extra cash—Ravenelle examines the costs, benefits, and societal impact of this new economic movement. Poignant and evocative, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520300564/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_Elk6BbY9AFBSR" rel="nofollow">Hustle and Gig</a> exposes how the gig economy is the millennial’s version of minimum-wage precarious work.</p><p>Special Guest: Alexandrea J. Ravenelle .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 149: The Middleman, with Olen Steinhauer </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2019 17:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Olen Steinhauer. With "The Middleman", the perfect thriller for our tumultuous, uneasy time, Olen Steinhauer, the New York Times bestselling author of ten novels, including "The Tourist" and "The Cairo Affair", delivers a compelling portrait of a nation on the edge of revolution, and the deepest motives of the men and women on the opposite sides of the divide.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Olen Steinhauer. With <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Middleman-Novel-Olen-Steinhauer/dp/1250036178/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+middleman&qid=1549664956&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><em>The Middleman</em></a>, the perfect thriller for our tumultuous, uneasy time, Olen Steinhauer, the New York Times bestselling author of ten novels, including <em>The Tourist</em> and <em>The Cairo Affair</em>, delivers a compelling portrait of a nation on the edge of revolution, and the deepest motives of the men and women on the opposite sides of the divide.</p>

<p>One day in the early summer of 2017, about four hundred people disappear from their lives. They leave behind cell phones, credit cards, jobs, houses, families--everything--all on the same day. Where have they gone? Why? The only answer, for weeks, is silence.</p>

<p>Kevin Moore is one of them. Former military, disaffected, restless, Kevin leaves behind his retail job in San Francisco, sends a good-bye text to his mother, dumps his phone and wallet into a trash can, and disappears.</p>

<p>The movement calls itself the Massive Brigade, and they believe change isn&#39;t coming fast enough to America. But are they a protest organization, a political movement, or a terrorist group? What do they want? The FBI isn&#39;t taking any chances. Special Agent Rachel Proulx has been following the growth of left-wing political groups in the U.S. since the fall of 2016, and is very familiar with Martin Bishop, the charismatic leader of the Massive Brigade. But she needs her colleagues to take her seriously in order to find these people before they put their plan--whatever it is--into action.</p>

<p>What Rachel uncovers will shock the entire nation, and the aftermath of her investigation will reverberate through the FBI to the highest levels of government.</p><p>Special Guest: Olen Steinhauer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Olen Steinhauer. With <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Middleman-Novel-Olen-Steinhauer/dp/1250036178/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+middleman&qid=1549664956&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><em>The Middleman</em></a>, the perfect thriller for our tumultuous, uneasy time, Olen Steinhauer, the New York Times bestselling author of ten novels, including <em>The Tourist</em> and <em>The Cairo Affair</em>, delivers a compelling portrait of a nation on the edge of revolution, and the deepest motives of the men and women on the opposite sides of the divide.</p>

<p>One day in the early summer of 2017, about four hundred people disappear from their lives. They leave behind cell phones, credit cards, jobs, houses, families--everything--all on the same day. Where have they gone? Why? The only answer, for weeks, is silence.</p>

<p>Kevin Moore is one of them. Former military, disaffected, restless, Kevin leaves behind his retail job in San Francisco, sends a good-bye text to his mother, dumps his phone and wallet into a trash can, and disappears.</p>

<p>The movement calls itself the Massive Brigade, and they believe change isn&#39;t coming fast enough to America. But are they a protest organization, a political movement, or a terrorist group? What do they want? The FBI isn&#39;t taking any chances. Special Agent Rachel Proulx has been following the growth of left-wing political groups in the U.S. since the fall of 2016, and is very familiar with Martin Bishop, the charismatic leader of the Massive Brigade. But she needs her colleagues to take her seriously in order to find these people before they put their plan--whatever it is--into action.</p>

<p>What Rachel uncovers will shock the entire nation, and the aftermath of her investigation will reverberate through the FBI to the highest levels of government.</p><p>Special Guest: Olen Steinhauer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Olen Steinhauer. With <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Middleman-Novel-Olen-Steinhauer/dp/1250036178/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+middleman&qid=1549664956&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><em>The Middleman</em></a>, the perfect thriller for our tumultuous, uneasy time, Olen Steinhauer, the New York Times bestselling author of ten novels, including <em>The Tourist</em> and <em>The Cairo Affair</em>, delivers a compelling portrait of a nation on the edge of revolution, and the deepest motives of the men and women on the opposite sides of the divide.</p>

<p>One day in the early summer of 2017, about four hundred people disappear from their lives. They leave behind cell phones, credit cards, jobs, houses, families--everything--all on the same day. Where have they gone? Why? The only answer, for weeks, is silence.</p>

<p>Kevin Moore is one of them. Former military, disaffected, restless, Kevin leaves behind his retail job in San Francisco, sends a good-bye text to his mother, dumps his phone and wallet into a trash can, and disappears.</p>

<p>The movement calls itself the Massive Brigade, and they believe change isn&#39;t coming fast enough to America. But are they a protest organization, a political movement, or a terrorist group? What do they want? The FBI isn&#39;t taking any chances. Special Agent Rachel Proulx has been following the growth of left-wing political groups in the U.S. since the fall of 2016, and is very familiar with Martin Bishop, the charismatic leader of the Massive Brigade. But she needs her colleagues to take her seriously in order to find these people before they put their plan--whatever it is--into action.</p>

<p>What Rachel uncovers will shock the entire nation, and the aftermath of her investigation will reverberate through the FBI to the highest levels of government.</p><p>Special Guest: Olen Steinhauer.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 148: A Bright Future: How Some Countries Have Solved Climate Change and the Rest Can Follow, with Joshua S. Goldstein</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 11:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Joshua S. Goldstein. His newest book, co-authored with Staffan A. Qvist, is "A Bright Future: How Some Countries Have Solved Climate Change and the Rest Can Follow." As climate change quickly approaches a series of turning points that guarantee disastrous outcomes, a solution is hiding in plain sight. Several countries have already replaced fossil fuels with low-carbon energy sources, and done so rapidly, in one to two decades. By following their methods, we could decarbonize the global economy by midcentury, replacing fossil fuels even while world energy use continues to rise. But so far we have lacked the courage to really try.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:01</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joshua S. Goldstein. His newest book, co-authored with Staffan A. Qvist, is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bright-Future-Countries-Solved-Climate/dp/1541724100/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549482449&sr=8-1&keywords=a+bright+future+joshua+goldstein" rel="nofollow">A Bright Future: How Some Countries Have Solved Climate Change and the Rest Can Follow. </a>As climate change quickly approaches a series of turning points that guarantee disastrous outcomes, a solution is hiding in plain sight. Several countries have already replaced fossil fuels with low-carbon energy sources, and done so rapidly, in one to two decades. By following their methods, we could decarbonize the global economy by midcentury, replacing fossil fuels even while world energy use continues to rise. But so far we have lacked the courage to really try.</p>

<p>In this clear-sighted and compelling book, Joshua Goldstein and Staffan Qvist explain how clean energy quickly replaced fossil fuels in such places as Sweden, France, South Korea, and Ontario. Their people enjoyed prosperity and growing energy use in harmony with the natural environment. They didn&#39;t do this through personal sacrifice, nor through 100 percent renewables, but by using them in combination with an energy source the Swedes call kärnkraft, hundreds of times safer and cleaner than coal.</p><p>Special Guest: Joshua S. Goldstein.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joshua S. Goldstein. His newest book, co-authored with Staffan A. Qvist, is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bright-Future-Countries-Solved-Climate/dp/1541724100/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549482449&sr=8-1&keywords=a+bright+future+joshua+goldstein" rel="nofollow">A Bright Future: How Some Countries Have Solved Climate Change and the Rest Can Follow. </a>As climate change quickly approaches a series of turning points that guarantee disastrous outcomes, a solution is hiding in plain sight. Several countries have already replaced fossil fuels with low-carbon energy sources, and done so rapidly, in one to two decades. By following their methods, we could decarbonize the global economy by midcentury, replacing fossil fuels even while world energy use continues to rise. But so far we have lacked the courage to really try.</p>

<p>In this clear-sighted and compelling book, Joshua Goldstein and Staffan Qvist explain how clean energy quickly replaced fossil fuels in such places as Sweden, France, South Korea, and Ontario. Their people enjoyed prosperity and growing energy use in harmony with the natural environment. They didn&#39;t do this through personal sacrifice, nor through 100 percent renewables, but by using them in combination with an energy source the Swedes call kärnkraft, hundreds of times safer and cleaner than coal.</p><p>Special Guest: Joshua S. Goldstein.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joshua S. Goldstein. His newest book, co-authored with Staffan A. Qvist, is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Bright-Future-Countries-Solved-Climate/dp/1541724100/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549482449&sr=8-1&keywords=a+bright+future+joshua+goldstein" rel="nofollow">A Bright Future: How Some Countries Have Solved Climate Change and the Rest Can Follow. </a>As climate change quickly approaches a series of turning points that guarantee disastrous outcomes, a solution is hiding in plain sight. Several countries have already replaced fossil fuels with low-carbon energy sources, and done so rapidly, in one to two decades. By following their methods, we could decarbonize the global economy by midcentury, replacing fossil fuels even while world energy use continues to rise. But so far we have lacked the courage to really try.</p>

<p>In this clear-sighted and compelling book, Joshua Goldstein and Staffan Qvist explain how clean energy quickly replaced fossil fuels in such places as Sweden, France, South Korea, and Ontario. Their people enjoyed prosperity and growing energy use in harmony with the natural environment. They didn&#39;t do this through personal sacrifice, nor through 100 percent renewables, but by using them in combination with an energy source the Swedes call kärnkraft, hundreds of times safer and cleaner than coal.</p><p>Special Guest: Joshua S. Goldstein.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 147: How To Be Loved, with Eva Hagberg Fisher</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2019 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Eva Hagberg Fisher. Her new book, "How To Be Loved", is a luminous memoir about how friendship saved one woman’s life, for anyone who has loved a friend who was sick, grieving, or lost—and for anyone who has struggled to seek or accept help. Eva Hagberg Fisher spent her lonely youth looking everywhere for connection: drugs, alcohol, therapists, boyfriends, girlfriends. Sometimes she found it, but always temporarily. Then, at age thirty, an undiscovered mass in her brain ruptured. So did her life. A brain surgery marked only the beginning of a long journey, and when her illness hit a critical stage, it forced her to finally admit the long‑suppressed truth: she was vulnerable, she needed help, and she longed to grow. She needed true friendship for the first time.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:26</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Eva Hagberg Fisher. Her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Loved-Lifesaving-Friendship/dp/054499115X" rel="nofollow">How To Be Loved</a>, is a luminous memoir about how friendship saved one woman’s life, for anyone who has loved a friend who was sick, grieving, or lost—and for anyone who has struggled to seek or accept help. Eva Hagberg Fisher spent her lonely youth looking everywhere for connection: drugs, alcohol, therapists, boyfriends, girlfriends. Sometimes she found it, but always temporarily. Then, at age thirty, an undiscovered mass in her brain ruptured. So did her life. A brain surgery marked only the beginning of a long journey, and when her illness hit a critical stage, it forced her to finally admit the long‑suppressed truth: she was vulnerable, she needed help, and she longed to grow. She needed true friendship for the first time.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Loved-Lifesaving-Friendship/dp/054499115X" rel="nofollow">How to Be Loved</a> is the story of how an isolated person’s life was ripped apart only to be gently stitched back together through friendship, and the recovery—of many stripes—that came along the way. It explores the isolation so many of us feel despite living in an age of constant connectivity; how our ambitions sometimes pull us apart more than bring us together; and how a simple doughnut, delivered by a caring soul, can become the essence of what makes a life valuable. With gorgeous prose shot through with empathy, pain, fear, and the secret truths inside all of us, Eva writes about the friends who taught her to grow up and open her heart—and how the relentlessness of suffering can give rise to the greatest joy. </p><p>Special Guest: Eva Hagberg Fisher.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Eva Hagberg Fisher. Her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Loved-Lifesaving-Friendship/dp/054499115X" rel="nofollow">How To Be Loved</a>, is a luminous memoir about how friendship saved one woman’s life, for anyone who has loved a friend who was sick, grieving, or lost—and for anyone who has struggled to seek or accept help. Eva Hagberg Fisher spent her lonely youth looking everywhere for connection: drugs, alcohol, therapists, boyfriends, girlfriends. Sometimes she found it, but always temporarily. Then, at age thirty, an undiscovered mass in her brain ruptured. So did her life. A brain surgery marked only the beginning of a long journey, and when her illness hit a critical stage, it forced her to finally admit the long‑suppressed truth: she was vulnerable, she needed help, and she longed to grow. She needed true friendship for the first time.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Loved-Lifesaving-Friendship/dp/054499115X" rel="nofollow">How to Be Loved</a> is the story of how an isolated person’s life was ripped apart only to be gently stitched back together through friendship, and the recovery—of many stripes—that came along the way. It explores the isolation so many of us feel despite living in an age of constant connectivity; how our ambitions sometimes pull us apart more than bring us together; and how a simple doughnut, delivered by a caring soul, can become the essence of what makes a life valuable. With gorgeous prose shot through with empathy, pain, fear, and the secret truths inside all of us, Eva writes about the friends who taught her to grow up and open her heart—and how the relentlessness of suffering can give rise to the greatest joy. </p><p>Special Guest: Eva Hagberg Fisher.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Eva Hagberg Fisher. Her new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Loved-Lifesaving-Friendship/dp/054499115X" rel="nofollow">How To Be Loved</a>, is a luminous memoir about how friendship saved one woman’s life, for anyone who has loved a friend who was sick, grieving, or lost—and for anyone who has struggled to seek or accept help. Eva Hagberg Fisher spent her lonely youth looking everywhere for connection: drugs, alcohol, therapists, boyfriends, girlfriends. Sometimes she found it, but always temporarily. Then, at age thirty, an undiscovered mass in her brain ruptured. So did her life. A brain surgery marked only the beginning of a long journey, and when her illness hit a critical stage, it forced her to finally admit the long‑suppressed truth: she was vulnerable, she needed help, and she longed to grow. She needed true friendship for the first time.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Loved-Lifesaving-Friendship/dp/054499115X" rel="nofollow">How to Be Loved</a> is the story of how an isolated person’s life was ripped apart only to be gently stitched back together through friendship, and the recovery—of many stripes—that came along the way. It explores the isolation so many of us feel despite living in an age of constant connectivity; how our ambitions sometimes pull us apart more than bring us together; and how a simple doughnut, delivered by a caring soul, can become the essence of what makes a life valuable. With gorgeous prose shot through with empathy, pain, fear, and the secret truths inside all of us, Eva writes about the friends who taught her to grow up and open her heart—and how the relentlessness of suffering can give rise to the greatest joy. </p><p>Special Guest: Eva Hagberg Fisher.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 146: Healing a Community: Lessons for Recovery after a Large-Scale Trauma, with Melissa Glaser</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Melissa Glaser. Her new book is "Healing a Community: Lessons for Recovery after a Large-Scale Trauma." After the horrific tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, local caregivers, civic leaders, and first responders had the daunting task of navigating emotional and physical trauma as they stitched their community back together. The recovery process takes years, and as the coordinator of the Newtown Recovery and Resiliency Team, Melissa Glaser managed the town’s response. She developed a unique set of therapeutic and transferable best practices that other communities can learn from. The impact of an intense media presence and the long-term financial needs of recovery work are also included in "Healing a Community." </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Melissa Glaser. Her new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Community-Lessons-Recovery-Large-Scale/dp/1942094906" rel="nofollow"> Healing a Community: Lessons for Recovery after a Large-Scale Trauma</a>. After the horrific tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, local caregivers, civic leaders, and first responders had the daunting task of navigating emotional and physical trauma as they stitched their community back together. The recovery process takes years, and as the coordinator of the Newtown Recovery and Resiliency Team, Melissa Glaser managed the town’s response. She developed a unique set of therapeutic and transferable best practices that other communities can learn from. The impact of an intense media presence and the long-term financial needs of recovery work are also included in <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Community-Lessons-Recovery-Large-Scale/dp/1942094906" rel="nofollow">Healing a Community</a>. Through heartbreaking insights, Glaser conveys the importance of meeting traumatized individuals where they are at in the process. Lessons learned in Newtown can be used to create a universal community mental health disaster plan so leaders, therapists, and families know what to do the next time tragedy occurs.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Glaser.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Melissa Glaser. Her new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Community-Lessons-Recovery-Large-Scale/dp/1942094906" rel="nofollow"> Healing a Community: Lessons for Recovery after a Large-Scale Trauma</a>. After the horrific tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, local caregivers, civic leaders, and first responders had the daunting task of navigating emotional and physical trauma as they stitched their community back together. The recovery process takes years, and as the coordinator of the Newtown Recovery and Resiliency Team, Melissa Glaser managed the town’s response. She developed a unique set of therapeutic and transferable best practices that other communities can learn from. The impact of an intense media presence and the long-term financial needs of recovery work are also included in <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Community-Lessons-Recovery-Large-Scale/dp/1942094906" rel="nofollow">Healing a Community</a>. Through heartbreaking insights, Glaser conveys the importance of meeting traumatized individuals where they are at in the process. Lessons learned in Newtown can be used to create a universal community mental health disaster plan so leaders, therapists, and families know what to do the next time tragedy occurs.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Glaser.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Melissa Glaser. Her new book is<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Community-Lessons-Recovery-Large-Scale/dp/1942094906" rel="nofollow"> Healing a Community: Lessons for Recovery after a Large-Scale Trauma</a>. After the horrific tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, local caregivers, civic leaders, and first responders had the daunting task of navigating emotional and physical trauma as they stitched their community back together. The recovery process takes years, and as the coordinator of the Newtown Recovery and Resiliency Team, Melissa Glaser managed the town’s response. She developed a unique set of therapeutic and transferable best practices that other communities can learn from. The impact of an intense media presence and the long-term financial needs of recovery work are also included in <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Community-Lessons-Recovery-Large-Scale/dp/1942094906" rel="nofollow">Healing a Community</a>. Through heartbreaking insights, Glaser conveys the importance of meeting traumatized individuals where they are at in the process. Lessons learned in Newtown can be used to create a universal community mental health disaster plan so leaders, therapists, and families know what to do the next time tragedy occurs.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Glaser.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 145: Aristotle's Way: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life, with Edith Hall</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Edith Hall. Her newest book is "Aristotle's Way: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life." In expert yet vibrant modern language, Hall lays out the crux of Aristotle's thinking, mixing affecting autobiographical anecdotes with a deep wealth of classical learning. For Hall, whose own life has been greatly improved by her understanding of Aristotle, this is an intensely personal subject. She distills his ancient wisdom into ten practical and universal lessons to help us confront life's difficult and crucial moments, summarizing a lifetime of the most rarefied and brilliant scholarship.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Edith Hall. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Aristotles-Way-Ancient-Wisdom-Change/dp/0735220808/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1547648446&sr=1-1-catcorr" rel="nofollow">Aristotle&#39;s Way: How Ancient Wisdom Can Change Your Life</a>. In expert yet vibrant modern language, Hall lays out the crux of Aristotle&#39;s thinking, mixing affecting autobiographical anecdotes with a deep wealth of classical learning. For Hall, whose own life has been greatly improved by her understanding of Aristotle, this is an intensely personal subject. She distills his ancient wisdom into ten practical and universal lessons to help us confront life&#39;s difficult and crucial moments, summarizing a lifetime of the most rarefied and brilliant scholarship.</p>

<p>Aristotle was the first philosopher to inquire into subjective happiness, and he understood its essence better and more clearly than anyone since. According to Aristotle, happiness is not about well-being, but instead a lasting state of contentment, which should be the ultimate goal of human life. We become happy through finding a purpose, realizing our potential, and modifying our behavior to become the best version of ourselves. With these objectives in mind, Aristotle developed a humane program for becoming a happy person, which has stood the test of time, comprising much of what today we associate with the good life: meaning, creativity, and positivity. Most importantly, Aristotle understood happiness as available to the vast majority us, but only, crucially, if we decide to apply ourselves to its creation--and he led by example. As Hall writes, &quot;If you believe that the goal of human life is to maximize happiness, then you are a budding Aristotelian.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Edith Hall.</p>]]>
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<p>Aristotle was the first philosopher to inquire into subjective happiness, and he understood its essence better and more clearly than anyone since. According to Aristotle, happiness is not about well-being, but instead a lasting state of contentment, which should be the ultimate goal of human life. We become happy through finding a purpose, realizing our potential, and modifying our behavior to become the best version of ourselves. With these objectives in mind, Aristotle developed a humane program for becoming a happy person, which has stood the test of time, comprising much of what today we associate with the good life: meaning, creativity, and positivity. Most importantly, Aristotle understood happiness as available to the vast majority us, but only, crucially, if we decide to apply ourselves to its creation--and he led by example. As Hall writes, &quot;If you believe that the goal of human life is to maximize happiness, then you are a budding Aristotelian.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Edith Hall.</p>]]>
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<p>Aristotle was the first philosopher to inquire into subjective happiness, and he understood its essence better and more clearly than anyone since. According to Aristotle, happiness is not about well-being, but instead a lasting state of contentment, which should be the ultimate goal of human life. We become happy through finding a purpose, realizing our potential, and modifying our behavior to become the best version of ourselves. With these objectives in mind, Aristotle developed a humane program for becoming a happy person, which has stood the test of time, comprising much of what today we associate with the good life: meaning, creativity, and positivity. Most importantly, Aristotle understood happiness as available to the vast majority us, but only, crucially, if we decide to apply ourselves to its creation--and he led by example. As Hall writes, &quot;If you believe that the goal of human life is to maximize happiness, then you are a budding Aristotelian.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: Edith Hall.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 144: Mortal Republic: How Rome Fell Into Tyranny, Edward J. Watts</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2019 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Edward J. Watts. In "Mortal Republic", this prize-winning historian offers a new history of the fall of the Roman Republic that explains why Rome exchanged freedom for autocracy. For centuries, even as Rome grew into the Mediterranean's premier military and political power, its governing institutions, parliamentary rules, and political customs successfully fostered negotiation and compromise. By the 130s BC, however, Rome's leaders increasingly used these same tools to cynically pursue individual gain and obstruct their opponents. As the center decayed and dysfunction grew, arguments between politicians gave way to political violence in the streets. The stage was set for destructive civil wars--and ultimately the imperial reign of Augustus.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>The death of Rome&#39;s Republic was not inevitable. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B84NKNP?tag=hacboogrosit-20" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>, Watts shows it died because it was allowed to, from thousands of small wounds inflicted by Romans who assumed that it would last forever.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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<p>The death of Rome&#39;s Republic was not inevitable. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B84NKNP?tag=hacboogrosit-20" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>, Watts shows it died because it was allowed to, from thousands of small wounds inflicted by Romans who assumed that it would last forever.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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<p>The death of Rome&#39;s Republic was not inevitable. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B84NKNP?tag=hacboogrosit-20" rel="nofollow">Mortal Republic</a>, Watts shows it died because it was allowed to, from thousands of small wounds inflicted by Romans who assumed that it would last forever.</p><p>Special Guest: Edward J. Watts.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 143: Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books, with Karen Swallow Prior</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2019 21:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Karen Swallow Prior. Her newest book is "Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books." Reading great literature well has the power to cultivate virtue. Great literature increases knowledge of and desire for the good life by showing readers what virtue looks like and where vice leads. It is not just what one reads but how one reads that cultivates virtue. Reading good literature well requires one to practice numerous virtues, such as patience, diligence, and prudence. And learning to judge wisely a character in a book, in turn, forms the reader's own character.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Karen Swallow Prior. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reading-Well-Finding-through-Great/dp/1587433966" rel="nofollow">Reading Well: Finding the Good Life through Great Books</a>. Reading great literature well has the power to cultivate virtue. Great literature increases knowledge of and desire for the good life by showing readers what virtue looks like and where vice leads. It is not just what one reads but how one reads that cultivates virtue. Reading good literature well requires one to practice numerous virtues, such as patience, diligence, and prudence. And learning to judge wisely a character in a book, in turn, forms the reader&#39;s own character.</p>

<p>Acclaimed author Karen Swallow Prior takes readers on a guided tour through works of great literature both ancient and modern, exploring twelve virtues that philosophers and theologians throughout history have identified as most essential for good character and the good life. In reintroducing ancient virtues that are as relevant and essential today as ever, Prior draws on the best classical and Christian thinkers, including Aristotle, Aquinas, and Augustine. Covering authors from Henry Fielding to Cormac McCarthy, Jane Austen to George Saunders, and Flannery O&#39;Connor to F. Scott Fitzgerald, Prior explores some of the most compelling universal themes found in the pages of classic books, helping readers learn to love life, literature, and God through their encounters with great writing. In examining works by these authors and more, Prior shows why virtues such as prudence, temperance, humility, and patience are still necessary for human flourishing and civil society. The book includes end-of-chapter reflection questions geared toward book club discussions, features original artwork throughout, and includes a foreword from Leland Ryken.</p><p>Special Guest: Karen Swallow Prior.</p>]]>
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<p>Acclaimed author Karen Swallow Prior takes readers on a guided tour through works of great literature both ancient and modern, exploring twelve virtues that philosophers and theologians throughout history have identified as most essential for good character and the good life. In reintroducing ancient virtues that are as relevant and essential today as ever, Prior draws on the best classical and Christian thinkers, including Aristotle, Aquinas, and Augustine. Covering authors from Henry Fielding to Cormac McCarthy, Jane Austen to George Saunders, and Flannery O&#39;Connor to F. Scott Fitzgerald, Prior explores some of the most compelling universal themes found in the pages of classic books, helping readers learn to love life, literature, and God through their encounters with great writing. In examining works by these authors and more, Prior shows why virtues such as prudence, temperance, humility, and patience are still necessary for human flourishing and civil society. The book includes end-of-chapter reflection questions geared toward book club discussions, features original artwork throughout, and includes a foreword from Leland Ryken.</p><p>Special Guest: Karen Swallow Prior.</p>]]>
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<p>Acclaimed author Karen Swallow Prior takes readers on a guided tour through works of great literature both ancient and modern, exploring twelve virtues that philosophers and theologians throughout history have identified as most essential for good character and the good life. In reintroducing ancient virtues that are as relevant and essential today as ever, Prior draws on the best classical and Christian thinkers, including Aristotle, Aquinas, and Augustine. Covering authors from Henry Fielding to Cormac McCarthy, Jane Austen to George Saunders, and Flannery O&#39;Connor to F. Scott Fitzgerald, Prior explores some of the most compelling universal themes found in the pages of classic books, helping readers learn to love life, literature, and God through their encounters with great writing. In examining works by these authors and more, Prior shows why virtues such as prudence, temperance, humility, and patience are still necessary for human flourishing and civil society. The book includes end-of-chapter reflection questions geared toward book club discussions, features original artwork throughout, and includes a foreword from Leland Ryken.</p><p>Special Guest: Karen Swallow Prior.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 142: God Is In The Crowd, with Tal Keinan </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2018 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Tal Keinan. His new book "God Is in the Crowd" is an original and provocative blueprint for Judaism in the twenty-first century. Presented through the lens of Tal Keinan’s unusual personal story, it a sobering analysis of the threat to Jewish continuity. As the Jewish people has become concentrated in just two hubs—America and Israel—it has lost the subtle code of governance that endowed Judaism with dynamism and relevance in the age of Diaspora. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Keinan was born to a secular Jewish family in Florida. His interest in Judaism was ignited by a Christian minister at his New England prep school and led him down the unlikely path to enlistment in the Israel Air Force. Using his own dramatic experiences as a backdrop, and applying lessons from his life as a business leader and social activist, Keinan takes the reader on a riveting adventure, weaving between past, present, and future, and fusing narrative with theory to demonstrate Judaism’s value to humanity and chart its path into the future.</p><p>Special Guest: Tal Keinan.</p>]]>
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<p>Keinan was born to a secular Jewish family in Florida. His interest in Judaism was ignited by a Christian minister at his New England prep school and led him down the unlikely path to enlistment in the Israel Air Force. Using his own dramatic experiences as a backdrop, and applying lessons from his life as a business leader and social activist, Keinan takes the reader on a riveting adventure, weaving between past, present, and future, and fusing narrative with theory to demonstrate Judaism’s value to humanity and chart its path into the future.</p><p>Special Guest: Tal Keinan.</p>]]>
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<p>Keinan was born to a secular Jewish family in Florida. His interest in Judaism was ignited by a Christian minister at his New England prep school and led him down the unlikely path to enlistment in the Israel Air Force. Using his own dramatic experiences as a backdrop, and applying lessons from his life as a business leader and social activist, Keinan takes the reader on a riveting adventure, weaving between past, present, and future, and fusing narrative with theory to demonstrate Judaism’s value to humanity and chart its path into the future.</p><p>Special Guest: Tal Keinan.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 141: Thanks A Thousand: A Gratitude Journey, with A.J. Jacobs</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is A.J. Jacobs. The idea for his newest book was simple: this New York Times bestselling author decided to thank every single person involved in producing his morning cup of coffee. The resulting journey takes him across the globe, transforms his life, and reveals secrets about how gratitude can make us all happier, more generous, and more connected.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>50:05</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 140: Justification, with Michael Horton</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Michael Horton. His newest book "Justification" is a comprehensive study of the historic Christian doctrine. The doctrine of justification stands at the center of Christian theological reflection on the meaning of salvation as well as our piety, mission, and life together. In his two-volume work on the doctrine of justification, Michael Horton seeks not simply to repeat noble doctrinal formulas and traditional proof texts, but to encounter the remarkable biblical justification texts in conversation with the provocative proposals that, despite a wide range of differences, have reignited the contemporary debates around justification.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michael Horton. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Justification-Two-Set-Studies-Dogmatics/dp/0310597250" rel="nofollow">Justification</a>, is a comprehensive study of the historic Christian doctrine. The doctrine of justification stands at the center of Christian theological reflection on the meaning of salvation as well as our piety, mission, and life together. In his two-volume work on the doctrine of justification, Michael Horton seeks not simply to repeat noble doctrinal formulas and traditional proof texts, but to encounter the remarkable biblical justification texts in conversation with the provocative proposals that, despite a wide range of differences, have reignited the contemporary debates around justification.</p>

<p>Volume 1 engages in a descriptive task - an exercise in historical theology exploring the doctrine of justification from the patristic era to the Reformation. Broadening the scope, Horton explores patristic discussions of justification under the rubric of the &quot;great exchange.&quot; He provides a map for contemporary discussions of justification, identifying and engaging his principal interlocutors: Origen, Chrysostom, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, John Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Gabriel Biel, and the magisterial reformers. Observing the assimilation of justification to the doctrine of penance in medieval theology, especially via Peter Lombard, the work studies the transformations of the doctrine through Aquinas, Scotus and the nominalists leading up to the era of the Reformation and the Council of Trent. He concludes his first study by examining the hermeneutical and theological significance of the Reformers’ understanding of the law and the gospel and the resultant covenantal scheme that became formative in Reformed theology. This then opens the door to the constructive task of volume 2 - to investigate the biblical doctrine of justification in light of contemporary exegesis. Here Horton takes up the topic of justification from biblical-theological, exegetical, and systematic-theological vantage points, engaging significantly with contemporary debates in biblical, especially Pauline, scholarship. Horton shows that the doctrine of justification finds its most ecumenically-significant starting point and proper habitat in union with Christ, where the greatest consensus, past and present, is to be found among Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant theologies. At the same time, he proposes that the union with Christ motif achieves its clearest and most consistent articulation in forensic justification. The final chapter locates justification within the broader framework of union with Christ.</p>

<p>Michael Horton (PhD) is Professor of Systematic Theology and Apologetics at Westminster Seminary in California. Author of many books, including <em>The Christian Faith: A Systematic Theology for Pilgrims on the Way,</em> he also hosts the White Horse Inn radio program. He lives with his wife, Lisa, and four children in Escondido, California.</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Horton.</p>]]>
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<p>Volume 1 engages in a descriptive task - an exercise in historical theology exploring the doctrine of justification from the patristic era to the Reformation. Broadening the scope, Horton explores patristic discussions of justification under the rubric of the &quot;great exchange.&quot; He provides a map for contemporary discussions of justification, identifying and engaging his principal interlocutors: Origen, Chrysostom, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, John Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Gabriel Biel, and the magisterial reformers. Observing the assimilation of justification to the doctrine of penance in medieval theology, especially via Peter Lombard, the work studies the transformations of the doctrine through Aquinas, Scotus and the nominalists leading up to the era of the Reformation and the Council of Trent. He concludes his first study by examining the hermeneutical and theological significance of the Reformers’ understanding of the law and the gospel and the resultant covenantal scheme that became formative in Reformed theology. This then opens the door to the constructive task of volume 2 - to investigate the biblical doctrine of justification in light of contemporary exegesis. Here Horton takes up the topic of justification from biblical-theological, exegetical, and systematic-theological vantage points, engaging significantly with contemporary debates in biblical, especially Pauline, scholarship. Horton shows that the doctrine of justification finds its most ecumenically-significant starting point and proper habitat in union with Christ, where the greatest consensus, past and present, is to be found among Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant theologies. At the same time, he proposes that the union with Christ motif achieves its clearest and most consistent articulation in forensic justification. The final chapter locates justification within the broader framework of union with Christ.</p>

<p>Michael Horton (PhD) is Professor of Systematic Theology and Apologetics at Westminster Seminary in California. Author of many books, including <em>The Christian Faith: A Systematic Theology for Pilgrims on the Way,</em> he also hosts the White Horse Inn radio program. He lives with his wife, Lisa, and four children in Escondido, California.</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Horton.</p>]]>
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<p>Volume 1 engages in a descriptive task - an exercise in historical theology exploring the doctrine of justification from the patristic era to the Reformation. Broadening the scope, Horton explores patristic discussions of justification under the rubric of the &quot;great exchange.&quot; He provides a map for contemporary discussions of justification, identifying and engaging his principal interlocutors: Origen, Chrysostom, Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, John Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Gabriel Biel, and the magisterial reformers. Observing the assimilation of justification to the doctrine of penance in medieval theology, especially via Peter Lombard, the work studies the transformations of the doctrine through Aquinas, Scotus and the nominalists leading up to the era of the Reformation and the Council of Trent. He concludes his first study by examining the hermeneutical and theological significance of the Reformers’ understanding of the law and the gospel and the resultant covenantal scheme that became formative in Reformed theology. This then opens the door to the constructive task of volume 2 - to investigate the biblical doctrine of justification in light of contemporary exegesis. Here Horton takes up the topic of justification from biblical-theological, exegetical, and systematic-theological vantage points, engaging significantly with contemporary debates in biblical, especially Pauline, scholarship. Horton shows that the doctrine of justification finds its most ecumenically-significant starting point and proper habitat in union with Christ, where the greatest consensus, past and present, is to be found among Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant theologies. At the same time, he proposes that the union with Christ motif achieves its clearest and most consistent articulation in forensic justification. The final chapter locates justification within the broader framework of union with Christ.</p>

<p>Michael Horton (PhD) is Professor of Systematic Theology and Apologetics at Westminster Seminary in California. Author of many books, including <em>The Christian Faith: A Systematic Theology for Pilgrims on the Way,</em> he also hosts the White Horse Inn radio program. He lives with his wife, Lisa, and four children in Escondido, California.</p><p>Special Guest: Michael Horton.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 139: A River Could Be a Tree, with Angela Himsel</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Angela Himsel. Her new book is a memoir entitled "A River Could Be a Tree." From the time she was a young girl, Himsel believed that the Bible was the guidebook to being saved, and only strict adherence to the church's tenets could allow her to escape a certain, gruesome death, receive the Holy Spirit, and live forever in the Kingdom of God. With self-preservation in mind, she decided, at nineteen, to study at The Hebrew University in Jerusalem. But instead of strengthening her faith, Himsel was introduced to a whole new world—one with different people and perspectives.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Ultimately, the connection to God she so relentlessly pursued was found in the most unexpected place: a mikvah on Manhattan&#39;s Upper West Side. This devout Christian Midwesterner found her own form of salvation—as a practicing Jewish woman.</p>

<p>Himsel&#39;s seemingly impossible road from childhood cult to a committed Jewish life is traced in and around the major events of the 1970s and 80s with warmth, humor, and a multitude of religious and philosophical insights. A River Could Be a Tree: A Memoir is a fascinating story of struggle, doubt, and finally, personal fulfillment.</p>

<p>Angela Himsel is a freelance writer based in New York City whose work has appeared in _The New York Times, The Jewish Week, the Forward, Lilith Magazine, BOMB Magazine _and several other outlets. Her weekly column “Angetevka” on Zeek.net examined her life as an observant Jew on Manhattan’s Upper West Side against the backdrop of her fundamentalist Christian upbringing in Jasper, Indiana. For this body of work, Himsel received the American Jewish Press Association’s Rockower Award for Excellence in Commentary. She holds a BA in religious studies from Indiana University, which included a two-year stint studying at The Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and also has an MFA in creative writing from The City College of New York. Himsel is represented by The Deborah Harris Agency. More information can be found at AngelaHimsel.com.</p><p>Special Guest: Angela Himsel.</p>]]>
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<p>Ultimately, the connection to God she so relentlessly pursued was found in the most unexpected place: a mikvah on Manhattan&#39;s Upper West Side. This devout Christian Midwesterner found her own form of salvation—as a practicing Jewish woman.</p>

<p>Himsel&#39;s seemingly impossible road from childhood cult to a committed Jewish life is traced in and around the major events of the 1970s and 80s with warmth, humor, and a multitude of religious and philosophical insights. A River Could Be a Tree: A Memoir is a fascinating story of struggle, doubt, and finally, personal fulfillment.</p>

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<p>Ultimately, the connection to God she so relentlessly pursued was found in the most unexpected place: a mikvah on Manhattan&#39;s Upper West Side. This devout Christian Midwesterner found her own form of salvation—as a practicing Jewish woman.</p>

<p>Himsel&#39;s seemingly impossible road from childhood cult to a committed Jewish life is traced in and around the major events of the 1970s and 80s with warmth, humor, and a multitude of religious and philosophical insights. A River Could Be a Tree: A Memoir is a fascinating story of struggle, doubt, and finally, personal fulfillment.</p>

<p>Angela Himsel is a freelance writer based in New York City whose work has appeared in _The New York Times, The Jewish Week, the Forward, Lilith Magazine, BOMB Magazine _and several other outlets. Her weekly column “Angetevka” on Zeek.net examined her life as an observant Jew on Manhattan’s Upper West Side against the backdrop of her fundamentalist Christian upbringing in Jasper, Indiana. For this body of work, Himsel received the American Jewish Press Association’s Rockower Award for Excellence in Commentary. She holds a BA in religious studies from Indiana University, which included a two-year stint studying at The Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and also has an MFA in creative writing from The City College of New York. Himsel is represented by The Deborah Harris Agency. More information can be found at AngelaHimsel.com.</p><p>Special Guest: Angela Himsel.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 138: God Over Good, with Luke Norsworthy</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Luke Norsworthy. His new book is "God Over Good." It's hard to say that God is good when God isn't always what we expect good to be. A good father wouldn't make it so difficult to get to know him, would he? And if God is all-powerful, wouldn't he ensure that we never suffered? Either our understanding of God is incorrect, or our definition of good is inadequate.
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Luke Norsworthy. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/God-over-Good-Saving-Expectations/dp/0801093325" rel="nofollow">God Over Good</a>. It&#39;s hard to say that God is good when God isn&#39;t always what we expect good to be. A good father wouldn&#39;t make it so difficult to get to know him, would he? And if God is all-powerful, wouldn&#39;t he ensure that we never suffered? Either our understanding of God is incorrect, or our definition of good is inadequate.</p>

<p>In a world that is messy and a church that is imperfect, it&#39;s easy to let our faith be lost. But that doesn&#39;t mean we have to lose God. It means we must consider the fact that perhaps our idealized expectations are just plain wrong. With transparency about his own struggles with cynicism and doubt, pastor Luke Norsworthy helps frustrated Christians and skeptics trade their confinement of God in an anemic definition of good for confidence in the God who is present in everything, including our suffering.</p>

<p>Luke Norsworthy (MDiv, Abilene Christian University) is the senior minister of the 1,500 member Westover Hills Church of Christ in Austin, Texas. A frequent speaker at universities, retreats, and conferences, he is the host of the popular <em>Newsworthy with Norsworthy</em> podcast on which he has rubbed shoulders with some of the brightest and most prominent voices in theology. He lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife and three daughters.</p><p>Special Guest: Luke Norsworthy.</p>]]>
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<p>In a world that is messy and a church that is imperfect, it&#39;s easy to let our faith be lost. But that doesn&#39;t mean we have to lose God. It means we must consider the fact that perhaps our idealized expectations are just plain wrong. With transparency about his own struggles with cynicism and doubt, pastor Luke Norsworthy helps frustrated Christians and skeptics trade their confinement of God in an anemic definition of good for confidence in the God who is present in everything, including our suffering.</p>

<p>Luke Norsworthy (MDiv, Abilene Christian University) is the senior minister of the 1,500 member Westover Hills Church of Christ in Austin, Texas. A frequent speaker at universities, retreats, and conferences, he is the host of the popular <em>Newsworthy with Norsworthy</em> podcast on which he has rubbed shoulders with some of the brightest and most prominent voices in theology. He lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife and three daughters.</p><p>Special Guest: Luke Norsworthy.</p>]]>
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<p>In a world that is messy and a church that is imperfect, it&#39;s easy to let our faith be lost. But that doesn&#39;t mean we have to lose God. It means we must consider the fact that perhaps our idealized expectations are just plain wrong. With transparency about his own struggles with cynicism and doubt, pastor Luke Norsworthy helps frustrated Christians and skeptics trade their confinement of God in an anemic definition of good for confidence in the God who is present in everything, including our suffering.</p>

<p>Luke Norsworthy (MDiv, Abilene Christian University) is the senior minister of the 1,500 member Westover Hills Church of Christ in Austin, Texas. A frequent speaker at universities, retreats, and conferences, he is the host of the popular <em>Newsworthy with Norsworthy</em> podcast on which he has rubbed shoulders with some of the brightest and most prominent voices in theology. He lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife and three daughters.</p><p>Special Guest: Luke Norsworthy.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 137: Halakhah: The Rabbinic Idea of Law, with Chaim Saiman </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2018 22:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Chaim Saiman. His newest book is "Halakhah: The Rabbinic Idea of Law." What does it mean for legal analysis to connect humans to God? Can spiritual teachings remain meaningful and at the same time rigidly codified? Can a modern state be governed by such law? Guiding readers across two millennia of richly illuminating perspectives, this book shows how halakhah is not just “law” but an entire way of thinking, being, and knowing. 

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      <itunes:duration>52:57</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rabbinic-Idea-Law-Introduction-Halakhah/dp/069115211X" rel="nofollow">Halakhah: The Rabbinic Idea of Law</a>. What does it mean for legal analysis to connect humans to God? Can spiritual teachings remain meaningful and at the same time rigidly codified? Can a modern state be governed by such law? Guiding readers across two millennia of richly illuminating perspectives, this book shows how halakhah is not just “law” but an entire way of thinking, being, and knowing. </p>

<p>Though typically translated as “Jewish law,” the term halakhah is not an easy match for what is usually thought of as law. This is because the rabbinic legal system has rarely wielded the political power to enforce its many detailed rules, nor has it ever been the law of any state. Even more idiosyncratically, the talmudic rabbis claim that the study of halakhah is a holy endeavor that brings a person closer to God―a claim no country makes of its law.</p>

<p>In this panoramic book, Chaim Saiman traces how generations of rabbis have used concepts forged in talmudic disputation to do the work that other societies assign not only to philosophy, political theory, theology, and ethics but also to art, drama, and literature. In the multifaceted world of halakhah where everything is law, law is also everything, and even laws that serve no practical purpose can, when properly studied, provide surprising insights into timeless questions about the very nature of human existence.</p>

<p>Chaim N. Saiman is professor in the Charles Widger School of Law at Villanova University. He lives with his wife and three daughters in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rabbinic-Idea-Law-Introduction-Halakhah/dp/069115211X" rel="nofollow">Halakhah: The Rabbinic Idea of Law</a>. What does it mean for legal analysis to connect humans to God? Can spiritual teachings remain meaningful and at the same time rigidly codified? Can a modern state be governed by such law? Guiding readers across two millennia of richly illuminating perspectives, this book shows how halakhah is not just “law” but an entire way of thinking, being, and knowing. </p>

<p>Though typically translated as “Jewish law,” the term halakhah is not an easy match for what is usually thought of as law. This is because the rabbinic legal system has rarely wielded the political power to enforce its many detailed rules, nor has it ever been the law of any state. Even more idiosyncratically, the talmudic rabbis claim that the study of halakhah is a holy endeavor that brings a person closer to God―a claim no country makes of its law.</p>

<p>In this panoramic book, Chaim Saiman traces how generations of rabbis have used concepts forged in talmudic disputation to do the work that other societies assign not only to philosophy, political theory, theology, and ethics but also to art, drama, and literature. In the multifaceted world of halakhah where everything is law, law is also everything, and even laws that serve no practical purpose can, when properly studied, provide surprising insights into timeless questions about the very nature of human existence.</p>

<p>Chaim N. Saiman is professor in the Charles Widger School of Law at Villanova University. He lives with his wife and three daughters in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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<p>Though typically translated as “Jewish law,” the term halakhah is not an easy match for what is usually thought of as law. This is because the rabbinic legal system has rarely wielded the political power to enforce its many detailed rules, nor has it ever been the law of any state. Even more idiosyncratically, the talmudic rabbis claim that the study of halakhah is a holy endeavor that brings a person closer to God―a claim no country makes of its law.</p>

<p>In this panoramic book, Chaim Saiman traces how generations of rabbis have used concepts forged in talmudic disputation to do the work that other societies assign not only to philosophy, political theory, theology, and ethics but also to art, drama, and literature. In the multifaceted world of halakhah where everything is law, law is also everything, and even laws that serve no practical purpose can, when properly studied, provide surprising insights into timeless questions about the very nature of human existence.</p>

<p>Chaim N. Saiman is professor in the Charles Widger School of Law at Villanova University. He lives with his wife and three daughters in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 136: Flawed Church, Faithful God </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Joseph D. Small. How can we reconcile the ideal church described by theology with the broken church that we see in the world? In his newest book Joseph Small argues that the church’s true identity is known somewhere in the tension between the two.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Small revisits familiar ecclesiological concepts—including the body of Christ, communion of saints, and people of God— but rather than focusing on theological abstractions or worldly cynicism, he evaluates the church in its scriptural, historical, theological, and social contexts. After stripping away the marketing and shallowness that characterizes much of contemporary church life, Small finds hope that the church’s faith, nature, and mission can be lived out within God’s calling.</p>

<p>Both sociologically honest and theologically discerning, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Flawed-Church-Faithful-God-Ecclesiology/dp/0802876129" rel="nofollow">Flawed Church, Faithful God</a> offers a constructive Reformed yet ecumenical ecclesiology for the real world.</p><p>Special Guest: Joseph D. Small.</p>]]>
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<p>Both sociologically honest and theologically discerning, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Flawed-Church-Faithful-God-Ecclesiology/dp/0802876129" rel="nofollow">Flawed Church, Faithful God</a> offers a constructive Reformed yet ecumenical ecclesiology for the real world.</p><p>Special Guest: Joseph D. Small.</p>]]>
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<p>Small revisits familiar ecclesiological concepts—including the body of Christ, communion of saints, and people of God— but rather than focusing on theological abstractions or worldly cynicism, he evaluates the church in its scriptural, historical, theological, and social contexts. After stripping away the marketing and shallowness that characterizes much of contemporary church life, Small finds hope that the church’s faith, nature, and mission can be lived out within God’s calling.</p>

<p>Both sociologically honest and theologically discerning, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Flawed-Church-Faithful-God-Ecclesiology/dp/0802876129" rel="nofollow">Flawed Church, Faithful God</a> offers a constructive Reformed yet ecumenical ecclesiology for the real world.</p><p>Special Guest: Joseph D. Small.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 135: I Think Therefore I Eat, with Martin Cohen</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Martin Cohen. Doctors and nutritionists often disagree with each other, while celebrities and scientists keep pitching us new recipes and special diets. No one thought to ask the philosophers—those rational souls devoted to truth, ethics, and reason—what they think. Until now. That's the subject of Martin Cohen's newest book "I Think, Therefore I Eat: The World's Greatest Minds Tackle The Food Question."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Martin Cohen. Doctors and nutritionists often disagree with each other, while celebrities and scientists keep pitching us new recipes and special diets. No one thought to ask the philosophers—those rational souls devoted to truth, ethics, and reason—what they think. Until now. That&#39;s the subject of Martin Cohen&#39;s newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&index=books&linkCode=ur2&tag=turnepubli-20&keywords=9781684421985" rel="nofollow">I Think, Therefore I Eat: The World&#39;s Greatest Minds Tackle The Food Question.</a></p>

<p>Martin Cohen, BA, PGCE, PhD is a writer, editor and reviewer with an international reputation for explaining complex issues which cut across subject boundaries in a clear and entertaining way. He is a Visiting Research Fellow in Philosophy at the University of Hertfordshire (UK) as well as Editor of The Philosopher, one of the world’s oldest philosophical magazines with a tradition of writing &quot;philosophy for all.&quot; He has also been a contributing writer for The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph and The Independent, and has written many successful books, including 101 Philosophy Problems which has been translated into 20 different languages and sold over 200 000 copies worldwide.</p><p>Special Guest: Martin Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Martin Cohen. Doctors and nutritionists often disagree with each other, while celebrities and scientists keep pitching us new recipes and special diets. No one thought to ask the philosophers—those rational souls devoted to truth, ethics, and reason—what they think. Until now. That&#39;s the subject of Martin Cohen&#39;s newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&index=books&linkCode=ur2&tag=turnepubli-20&keywords=9781684421985" rel="nofollow">I Think, Therefore I Eat: The World&#39;s Greatest Minds Tackle The Food Question.</a></p>

<p>Martin Cohen, BA, PGCE, PhD is a writer, editor and reviewer with an international reputation for explaining complex issues which cut across subject boundaries in a clear and entertaining way. He is a Visiting Research Fellow in Philosophy at the University of Hertfordshire (UK) as well as Editor of The Philosopher, one of the world’s oldest philosophical magazines with a tradition of writing &quot;philosophy for all.&quot; He has also been a contributing writer for The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph and The Independent, and has written many successful books, including 101 Philosophy Problems which has been translated into 20 different languages and sold over 200 000 copies worldwide.</p><p>Special Guest: Martin Cohen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 134: Doctor, with Andrew Bomback</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Andrew Bomback. His new book is "Doctor." It begins with a 3-year-old who asks her physician father about his job, and his inability to provide a succinct and accurate answer inspires a critical look at the profession of modern medicine.
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      <itunes:duration>33:22</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Andrew Bomback. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Object-Lessons-Andrew-Bomback/dp/150133817X" rel="nofollow">Doctor</a>. It begins with a 3-year-old who asks her physician father about his job, and his inability to provide a succinct and accurate answer inspires a critical look at the profession of modern medicine.</p>

<p>In sorting through how patients, insurance companies, advertising agencies, filmmakers, and comedians misconstrue a doctor&#39;s role, Andrew Bomback, M.D., realizes that even doctors struggle to define their profession. As the author attempts to unravel how much of doctoring is role-playing, artifice, and bluffing, he examines the career of his father, a legendary pediatrician on the verge of retirement, and the health of his infant son, who is suffering from a vague assortment of gastrointestinal symptoms.</p>

<p>At turns serious, comedic, analytical, and confessional, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Object-Lessons-Andrew-Bomback/dp/150133817X" rel="nofollow">Doctor</a> offers an unflinching look at what it means to be a physician today.</p><p>Special Guest: Andrew Bomback.</p>]]>
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<p>In sorting through how patients, insurance companies, advertising agencies, filmmakers, and comedians misconstrue a doctor&#39;s role, Andrew Bomback, M.D., realizes that even doctors struggle to define their profession. As the author attempts to unravel how much of doctoring is role-playing, artifice, and bluffing, he examines the career of his father, a legendary pediatrician on the verge of retirement, and the health of his infant son, who is suffering from a vague assortment of gastrointestinal symptoms.</p>

<p>At turns serious, comedic, analytical, and confessional, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Object-Lessons-Andrew-Bomback/dp/150133817X" rel="nofollow">Doctor</a> offers an unflinching look at what it means to be a physician today.</p><p>Special Guest: Andrew Bomback.</p>]]>
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<p>In sorting through how patients, insurance companies, advertising agencies, filmmakers, and comedians misconstrue a doctor&#39;s role, Andrew Bomback, M.D., realizes that even doctors struggle to define their profession. As the author attempts to unravel how much of doctoring is role-playing, artifice, and bluffing, he examines the career of his father, a legendary pediatrician on the verge of retirement, and the health of his infant son, who is suffering from a vague assortment of gastrointestinal symptoms.</p>

<p>At turns serious, comedic, analytical, and confessional, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Object-Lessons-Andrew-Bomback/dp/150133817X" rel="nofollow">Doctor</a> offers an unflinching look at what it means to be a physician today.</p><p>Special Guest: Andrew Bomback.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 133: Road to Disaster, with Brian VanDeMark</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Brian VanDemark. His newest book "Road to Disaster," draws upon decades of archival research, his own interviews with many of those involved, and a wealth of previously unheard recordings by Robert McNamara and Clark Clifford, who served as Defense Secretaries for Kennedy and Johnson. Yet beyond that, "Road to Disaster" is also the first history of the war to look at the cataclysmic decisions of those in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations through the prism of recent research in cognitive science, psychology, and organizational theory to explain why the "Best and the Brightest" became trapped in situations that suffocated creative thinking and willingness to dissent, why they found change so hard, and why they were so blind to their own errors.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Brian VanDemark. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster </a>draws upon decades of archival research, his own interviews with many of those involved, and a wealth of previously unheard recordings by Robert McNamara and Clark Clifford, who served as Defense Secretaries for Kennedy and Johnson. Yet beyond that, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster </a>is also the first history of the war to look at the cataclysmic decisions of those in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations through the prism of recent research in cognitive science, psychology, and organizational theory to explain why the &quot;Best and the Brightest&quot; became trapped in situations that suffocated creative thinking and willingness to dissent, why they found change so hard, and why they were so blind to their own errors.</p>

<p>An epic history of America’s march to quagmire, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster</a> is a landmark in scholarship and a book of immense importance.</p>

<p>Brian VanDeMark teaches history at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, where for more than twenty-five years he has educated midshipmen about the Vietnam War. He has also been a visiting fellow at Oxford University. VanDeMark was the research assistant on Clark Clifford&#39;s bestselling autobiography <em>Counsel to the President _and the coauthor of Robert McNamara&#39;s #1 bestseller</em> In Retrospect_. He is also the author of <em>Into the Quagmire</em>, which came out of his doctoral dissertation on LBJ and the war. He lives in Maryland.</p><p>Special Guest: Brian VanDeMark.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Brian VanDemark. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster </a>draws upon decades of archival research, his own interviews with many of those involved, and a wealth of previously unheard recordings by Robert McNamara and Clark Clifford, who served as Defense Secretaries for Kennedy and Johnson. Yet beyond that, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster </a>is also the first history of the war to look at the cataclysmic decisions of those in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations through the prism of recent research in cognitive science, psychology, and organizational theory to explain why the &quot;Best and the Brightest&quot; became trapped in situations that suffocated creative thinking and willingness to dissent, why they found change so hard, and why they were so blind to their own errors.</p>

<p>An epic history of America’s march to quagmire, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster</a> is a landmark in scholarship and a book of immense importance.</p>

<p>Brian VanDeMark teaches history at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, where for more than twenty-five years he has educated midshipmen about the Vietnam War. He has also been a visiting fellow at Oxford University. VanDeMark was the research assistant on Clark Clifford&#39;s bestselling autobiography <em>Counsel to the President _and the coauthor of Robert McNamara&#39;s #1 bestseller</em> In Retrospect_. He is also the author of <em>Into the Quagmire</em>, which came out of his doctoral dissertation on LBJ and the war. He lives in Maryland.</p><p>Special Guest: Brian VanDeMark.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Brian VanDemark. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster </a>draws upon decades of archival research, his own interviews with many of those involved, and a wealth of previously unheard recordings by Robert McNamara and Clark Clifford, who served as Defense Secretaries for Kennedy and Johnson. Yet beyond that, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster </a>is also the first history of the war to look at the cataclysmic decisions of those in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations through the prism of recent research in cognitive science, psychology, and organizational theory to explain why the &quot;Best and the Brightest&quot; became trapped in situations that suffocated creative thinking and willingness to dissent, why they found change so hard, and why they were so blind to their own errors.</p>

<p>An epic history of America’s march to quagmire, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074SGPRZ4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Road to Disaster</a> is a landmark in scholarship and a book of immense importance.</p>

<p>Brian VanDeMark teaches history at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, where for more than twenty-five years he has educated midshipmen about the Vietnam War. He has also been a visiting fellow at Oxford University. VanDeMark was the research assistant on Clark Clifford&#39;s bestselling autobiography <em>Counsel to the President _and the coauthor of Robert McNamara&#39;s #1 bestseller</em> In Retrospect_. He is also the author of <em>Into the Quagmire</em>, which came out of his doctoral dissertation on LBJ and the war. He lives in Maryland.</p><p>Special Guest: Brian VanDeMark.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 132: White Picket Fences: Turning Toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege, with Amy Julia Becker</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Amy Julia Becker. Her new book "White Picket Fences: Turning Toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege," welcomes us into her life, from the charm of her privileged southern childhood to her adult experience in the northeast, and the denials she has faced as the mother of a child with special needs. She shows how a life behind a white picket fence can restrict even as it protects, and how it can prevent us from loving our neighbors well.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:59</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Amy Julia Becker. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B7R8ZB8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">White Picket Fences: Turning Toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege </a>welcomes us into her life, from the charm of her privileged southern childhood to her adult experience in the northeast, and the denials she has faced as the mother of a child with special needs. She shows how a life behind a white picket fence can restrict even as it protects, and how it can prevent us from loving our neighbors well.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B7R8ZB8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">White Picket Fences</a> invites us to respond to privilege with generosity, humility, and hope. It opens us to questions we are afraid to ask, so that we can walk further from fear and closer to love, in all its fragile and mysterious possibilities.</p><p>Special Guest: Amy Julia Becker.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Amy Julia Becker. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B7R8ZB8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">White Picket Fences: Turning Toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege </a>welcomes us into her life, from the charm of her privileged southern childhood to her adult experience in the northeast, and the denials she has faced as the mother of a child with special needs. She shows how a life behind a white picket fence can restrict even as it protects, and how it can prevent us from loving our neighbors well.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B7R8ZB8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">White Picket Fences</a> invites us to respond to privilege with generosity, humility, and hope. It opens us to questions we are afraid to ask, so that we can walk further from fear and closer to love, in all its fragile and mysterious possibilities.</p><p>Special Guest: Amy Julia Becker.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Amy Julia Becker. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B7R8ZB8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">White Picket Fences: Turning Toward Love in a World Divided by Privilege </a>welcomes us into her life, from the charm of her privileged southern childhood to her adult experience in the northeast, and the denials she has faced as the mother of a child with special needs. She shows how a life behind a white picket fence can restrict even as it protects, and how it can prevent us from loving our neighbors well.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07B7R8ZB8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1" rel="nofollow">White Picket Fences</a> invites us to respond to privilege with generosity, humility, and hope. It opens us to questions we are afraid to ask, so that we can walk further from fear and closer to love, in all its fragile and mysterious possibilities.</p><p>Special Guest: Amy Julia Becker.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 131: Why Theory, with Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley. They are the co-hosts of "Why Theory," a podcast that brings continental philosophy and psychoanalytic theory together to examine cultural phenomenon.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:17:13</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley. They are the co-hosts of <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/why-theory/id1299863834?mt=2" rel="nofollow">Why Theory</a>, a podcast that brings continental philosophy and psychoanalytic theory together to examine cultural phenomenon.</p><p>Special Guests: Ryan Engley and Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley. They are the co-hosts of <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/why-theory/id1299863834?mt=2" rel="nofollow">Why Theory</a>, a podcast that brings continental philosophy and psychoanalytic theory together to examine cultural phenomenon.</p><p>Special Guests: Ryan Engley and Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guests are Todd McGowan and Ryan Engley. They are the co-hosts of <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/why-theory/id1299863834?mt=2" rel="nofollow">Why Theory</a>, a podcast that brings continental philosophy and psychoanalytic theory together to examine cultural phenomenon.</p><p>Special Guests: Ryan Engley and Todd McGowan.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 130: Whole Again, with Jackson MacKenzie</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jackson MacKenzie. Jackson MacKenzie has helped millions of people in their struggle to understand the experience of toxic relationships. His first book, "Psychopath Free," explained how to identify and survive the immediate situation. In "Whole Again," he guides readers on what to do next–how to fully heal from abuse in order to find love and acceptance for the self and others.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>35:46</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jackson MacKenzie. Jackson MacKenzie has helped millions of people in their struggle to understand the experience of toxic relationships. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Free-Expanded-Emotionally-Relationships/dp/0425279995/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_0/144-8048193-9032432?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=EZ5WWJ9YFJNZVV9QW85P" rel="nofollow">Psychopath Free</a>, explained how to identify and survive the immediate situation. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Again-Rediscovering-Relationships-Emotional/dp/0143133314" rel="nofollow">Whole Again</a> he guides readers on what to do next–how to fully heal from abuse in order to find love and acceptance for the self and others.</p>

<p>Through his close work with–and deep connection to–thousands of survivors of abusive relationships Jackson discovered that most survivors have symptoms of trauma long after the relationship is over. These range from feelings of numbness and emptiness to depression, perfectionism, substance abuse, and many more. But he’s also found that it is possible to work through these symptoms and find love on the other side, and this book shows how. Through a practice of mindfulness, introspection, and exercises using specific tools, readers learn to identify the protective self they’ve developed – and uncover the core self, so that they can finally move on to live a full and authentic life–to once again feel light, free, and whole, and ready to love again.</p><p>Special Guest: Jackson MacKenzie.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jackson MacKenzie. Jackson MacKenzie has helped millions of people in their struggle to understand the experience of toxic relationships. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Free-Expanded-Emotionally-Relationships/dp/0425279995/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_0/144-8048193-9032432?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=EZ5WWJ9YFJNZVV9QW85P" rel="nofollow">Psychopath Free</a>, explained how to identify and survive the immediate situation. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Again-Rediscovering-Relationships-Emotional/dp/0143133314" rel="nofollow">Whole Again</a> he guides readers on what to do next–how to fully heal from abuse in order to find love and acceptance for the self and others.</p>

<p>Through his close work with–and deep connection to–thousands of survivors of abusive relationships Jackson discovered that most survivors have symptoms of trauma long after the relationship is over. These range from feelings of numbness and emptiness to depression, perfectionism, substance abuse, and many more. But he’s also found that it is possible to work through these symptoms and find love on the other side, and this book shows how. Through a practice of mindfulness, introspection, and exercises using specific tools, readers learn to identify the protective self they’ve developed – and uncover the core self, so that they can finally move on to live a full and authentic life–to once again feel light, free, and whole, and ready to love again.</p><p>Special Guest: Jackson MacKenzie.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jackson MacKenzie. Jackson MacKenzie has helped millions of people in their struggle to understand the experience of toxic relationships. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Free-Expanded-Emotionally-Relationships/dp/0425279995/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_0/144-8048193-9032432?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=EZ5WWJ9YFJNZVV9QW85P" rel="nofollow">Psychopath Free</a>, explained how to identify and survive the immediate situation. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Again-Rediscovering-Relationships-Emotional/dp/0143133314" rel="nofollow">Whole Again</a> he guides readers on what to do next–how to fully heal from abuse in order to find love and acceptance for the self and others.</p>

<p>Through his close work with–and deep connection to–thousands of survivors of abusive relationships Jackson discovered that most survivors have symptoms of trauma long after the relationship is over. These range from feelings of numbness and emptiness to depression, perfectionism, substance abuse, and many more. But he’s also found that it is possible to work through these symptoms and find love on the other side, and this book shows how. Through a practice of mindfulness, introspection, and exercises using specific tools, readers learn to identify the protective self they’ve developed – and uncover the core self, so that they can finally move on to live a full and authentic life–to once again feel light, free, and whole, and ready to love again.</p><p>Special Guest: Jackson MacKenzie.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 129: Tradition and its ‘use’: the ethics of theological retrieval, with Simeon Zahl </title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2018 21:15:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Simeon Zahl. He is University Lecturer in Christian Theology at the University of Cambridge. He recently wrote a piece in the Scottish Journal of Theology on the "use" of tradition in theology and what it reveals about the subjective life of the theologian. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:01:41</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Simeon Zahl. He is University Lecturer in Christian Theology at the University of Cambridge. He recently wrote a piece in the <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/scottish-journal-of-theology/article/tradition-and-its-use-the-ethics-of-theological-retrieval/CD350251CF326E5A591AED6694FA8BC8/share/5817ecc6c7c844236ef8227b920756297aad46f5" rel="nofollow">Scottish Journal of Theology on the &quot;use&quot; of tradition in theology and what it reveals about the subjective life of the theologian</a>. Building on a close analysis of Martin Luther&#39;s distinction between the ‘substance’ of a thing and its ‘use’, the article makes a theological case for the importance of attending not just to what we retrieve from tradition, but also to how and why we retrieve it. Analysis of Luther&#39;s distinction suggests (1) that the meaning of theological claims remains unexpectedly fluid until such claims have been located within the ethical drama of ‘use’, and (2) that one of the best ways to get theological traction on the dynamics of ‘use’ is to attend to the affective economies in which theological reasoning is always located. It concludes by drawing attention to specific areas in contemporary ethics where new light can be shed through attention to the dynamics of ‘use’.</p><p>Special Guest: Simeon Zahl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Simeon Zahl. He is University Lecturer in Christian Theology at the University of Cambridge. He recently wrote a piece in the <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/scottish-journal-of-theology/article/tradition-and-its-use-the-ethics-of-theological-retrieval/CD350251CF326E5A591AED6694FA8BC8/share/5817ecc6c7c844236ef8227b920756297aad46f5" rel="nofollow">Scottish Journal of Theology on the &quot;use&quot; of tradition in theology and what it reveals about the subjective life of the theologian</a>. Building on a close analysis of Martin Luther&#39;s distinction between the ‘substance’ of a thing and its ‘use’, the article makes a theological case for the importance of attending not just to what we retrieve from tradition, but also to how and why we retrieve it. Analysis of Luther&#39;s distinction suggests (1) that the meaning of theological claims remains unexpectedly fluid until such claims have been located within the ethical drama of ‘use’, and (2) that one of the best ways to get theological traction on the dynamics of ‘use’ is to attend to the affective economies in which theological reasoning is always located. It concludes by drawing attention to specific areas in contemporary ethics where new light can be shed through attention to the dynamics of ‘use’.</p><p>Special Guest: Simeon Zahl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Simeon Zahl. He is University Lecturer in Christian Theology at the University of Cambridge. He recently wrote a piece in the <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/scottish-journal-of-theology/article/tradition-and-its-use-the-ethics-of-theological-retrieval/CD350251CF326E5A591AED6694FA8BC8/share/5817ecc6c7c844236ef8227b920756297aad46f5" rel="nofollow">Scottish Journal of Theology on the &quot;use&quot; of tradition in theology and what it reveals about the subjective life of the theologian</a>. Building on a close analysis of Martin Luther&#39;s distinction between the ‘substance’ of a thing and its ‘use’, the article makes a theological case for the importance of attending not just to what we retrieve from tradition, but also to how and why we retrieve it. Analysis of Luther&#39;s distinction suggests (1) that the meaning of theological claims remains unexpectedly fluid until such claims have been located within the ethical drama of ‘use’, and (2) that one of the best ways to get theological traction on the dynamics of ‘use’ is to attend to the affective economies in which theological reasoning is always located. It concludes by drawing attention to specific areas in contemporary ethics where new light can be shed through attention to the dynamics of ‘use’.</p><p>Special Guest: Simeon Zahl.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 128: Hitler's American Friends, with Bradley W. Hart</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Bradley W. Hart. Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided. Bradley W. Hart's "Hitler's American Friends" exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided. Bradley W. Hart&#39;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250148952/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Hitler&#39;s American Friends: The Third Reich&#39;s Supporters in the United States</a> exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</p>

<p>Bradley W. Hart&#39;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250148952/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Hitler&#39;s American Friends</a> exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</p>

<p>Some of these friends were Americans of German heritage who joined the Bund, whose leadership dreamed of installing a stateside Führer. Some were as bizarre and hair-raising as the Silver Shirt Legion, run by an eccentric who claimed that Hitler fulfilled a religious prophesy. Some were Midwestern Catholics like Father Charles Coughlin, an early right-wing radio star who broadcast anti-Semitic tirades. They were even members of Congress who used their franking privilege―sending mail at cost to American taxpayers―to distribute German propaganda. And celebrity pilot Charles Lindbergh ended up speaking for them all at the America First Committee.</p>

<p>We try to tell ourselves it couldn&#39;t happen here, but Americans are not immune to the lure of fascism. Hitler&#39;s American Friends is a powerful look at how the forces of evil manipulate ordinary people, how we stepped back from the ledge, and the disturbing ease with which we could return to it.</p><p>Special Guest: Bradley W. Hart.</p>]]>
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<p>Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided. Bradley W. Hart&#39;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250148952/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Hitler&#39;s American Friends: The Third Reich&#39;s Supporters in the United States</a> exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</p>

<p>Bradley W. Hart&#39;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250148952/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Hitler&#39;s American Friends</a> exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</p>

<p>Some of these friends were Americans of German heritage who joined the Bund, whose leadership dreamed of installing a stateside Führer. Some were as bizarre and hair-raising as the Silver Shirt Legion, run by an eccentric who claimed that Hitler fulfilled a religious prophesy. Some were Midwestern Catholics like Father Charles Coughlin, an early right-wing radio star who broadcast anti-Semitic tirades. They were even members of Congress who used their franking privilege―sending mail at cost to American taxpayers―to distribute German propaganda. And celebrity pilot Charles Lindbergh ended up speaking for them all at the America First Committee.</p>

<p>We try to tell ourselves it couldn&#39;t happen here, but Americans are not immune to the lure of fascism. Hitler&#39;s American Friends is a powerful look at how the forces of evil manipulate ordinary people, how we stepped back from the ledge, and the disturbing ease with which we could return to it.</p><p>Special Guest: Bradley W. Hart.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Bradley W. Hart. </p>

<p>Americans who remember World War II reminisce about how it brought the country together. The less popular truth behind this warm nostalgia: until the attack on Pearl Harbor, America was deeply, dangerously divided. Bradley W. Hart&#39;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250148952/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Hitler&#39;s American Friends: The Third Reich&#39;s Supporters in the United States</a> exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</p>

<p>Bradley W. Hart&#39;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250148952/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0" rel="nofollow">Hitler&#39;s American Friends</a> exposes the homegrown antagonists who sought to protect and promote Hitler, leave Europeans (and especially European Jews) to fend for themselves, and elevate the Nazi regime.</p>

<p>Some of these friends were Americans of German heritage who joined the Bund, whose leadership dreamed of installing a stateside Führer. Some were as bizarre and hair-raising as the Silver Shirt Legion, run by an eccentric who claimed that Hitler fulfilled a religious prophesy. Some were Midwestern Catholics like Father Charles Coughlin, an early right-wing radio star who broadcast anti-Semitic tirades. They were even members of Congress who used their franking privilege―sending mail at cost to American taxpayers―to distribute German propaganda. And celebrity pilot Charles Lindbergh ended up speaking for them all at the America First Committee.</p>

<p>We try to tell ourselves it couldn&#39;t happen here, but Americans are not immune to the lure of fascism. Hitler&#39;s American Friends is a powerful look at how the forces of evil manipulate ordinary people, how we stepped back from the ledge, and the disturbing ease with which we could return to it.</p><p>Special Guest: Bradley W. Hart.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 127: Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention, with David Shields </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Shields. His new book "Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention," is perhaps the only genuinely original thing you have read yet about Donald Trump.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>53:36</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. His new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention</a>, is perhaps the only genuinely original thing you have read yet about Donald Trump.  It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News?</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. His new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention</a>, is perhaps the only genuinely original thing you have read yet about Donald Trump.  It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News?</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Shields. His new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995" rel="nofollow">Nobody Hates Trump More Than Trump: An Intervention</a>, is perhaps the only genuinely original thing you have read yet about Donald Trump.  It can be read in a variety of ways: as a psychological investigation of Trump, as a philosophical meditation on the relationship between language and power, as a satirical compilation of the “collected wit and wisdom of Donald Trump,” and above all as a dagger into the rhetoric of American political discourse—a dissection of the politesse that gave rise to and sustains Trump. The book’s central thesis is that we have met the enemy and he is us. Who else but David Shields would make such an argument, let alone pull it off with such intelligence, brio, and wit, not to mention leaked off-air transcripts from Fox News?</p><p>Special Guest: David Shields.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 126: Weather Woman, with Cai Emmons</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Cai Emmons, her newest book "Weather Woman,"  is the story of meteorologist Bronwyn Artair who discovers she has the power to change the weather.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Cai Emmons. Her newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Weather-Woman-Cai-Emmons/dp/1597096008/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537539428&sr=1-1&keywords=weather+women" rel="nofollow">Weather Woman</a>, is the story of meteorologist Bronwyn Artair who discovers she has the power to change the weather.</p>

<p>Feeling out of place in her doctoral program in Atmospheric Sciences at MIT, 30-year-old Bronwyn drops out and takes a job as a TV meteorologist in Southern New Hampshire, much to the dismay of her female mentor, Diane Fenwick. When, after a year of living alone by the Swampscott River, enduring the indignities of her job, first neglected by her Boston boyfriend, then dumped, she discovers that her deep connection to the natural world has led her to an ability to affect natural forces. When she finally accepts that she really possesses this startling capability, she must then negotiate a new relationship to the world. Who will she tell? Who will believe her? How can she keep herself from being seen as a kook? And, most importantly, how will she put this new skill of hers to use? As she seeks answers to these questions, she travels to Kansas to see the tornado maverick she thought was her mentor; falls in love with Matt, the tabloid journalist who has come to investigate her; feels called to visit the fires raging out of control in Los Angeles; and eventually voyages with Matt and Dr. Fenwick to the methane fields of Siberia near the Arctic Sea. This is the story of a woman experiencing power for the first time in her life. She must come to grips with that power and test its limits. What can she do for the world without hurting it further?</p>

<p>Cai Emmons is the author of <em>His Mother&#39;s Son</em>, published by Harcourt in 2003 and <em>The Stylist</em>, published by HarperCollins in 2007. Her short work has appeared in Arts and Letters, Narrative Magazine, The New York Post, and Portland Monthly, among others, and she has a selection in <em>Now Write: Writing Exercises from Today’s Best Writers and Teachers _(Tarcher Publications, 2006). Before turning to fiction Cai wrote for theater, film, and television. Two of her plays—_Mergatroid _and _When Petulia Comes</em>—were produced in New York theaters. She wrote for the TV show <em>The Trials of Rosie O’Neill</em>, and she has optioned numerous feature-length screenplays.</p><p>Special Guest: Cai Emmons.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Cai Emmons. Her newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Weather-Woman-Cai-Emmons/dp/1597096008/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537539428&sr=1-1&keywords=weather+women" rel="nofollow">Weather Woman</a>, is the story of meteorologist Bronwyn Artair who discovers she has the power to change the weather.</p>

<p>Feeling out of place in her doctoral program in Atmospheric Sciences at MIT, 30-year-old Bronwyn drops out and takes a job as a TV meteorologist in Southern New Hampshire, much to the dismay of her female mentor, Diane Fenwick. When, after a year of living alone by the Swampscott River, enduring the indignities of her job, first neglected by her Boston boyfriend, then dumped, she discovers that her deep connection to the natural world has led her to an ability to affect natural forces. When she finally accepts that she really possesses this startling capability, she must then negotiate a new relationship to the world. Who will she tell? Who will believe her? How can she keep herself from being seen as a kook? And, most importantly, how will she put this new skill of hers to use? As she seeks answers to these questions, she travels to Kansas to see the tornado maverick she thought was her mentor; falls in love with Matt, the tabloid journalist who has come to investigate her; feels called to visit the fires raging out of control in Los Angeles; and eventually voyages with Matt and Dr. Fenwick to the methane fields of Siberia near the Arctic Sea. This is the story of a woman experiencing power for the first time in her life. She must come to grips with that power and test its limits. What can she do for the world without hurting it further?</p>

<p>Cai Emmons is the author of <em>His Mother&#39;s Son</em>, published by Harcourt in 2003 and <em>The Stylist</em>, published by HarperCollins in 2007. Her short work has appeared in Arts and Letters, Narrative Magazine, The New York Post, and Portland Monthly, among others, and she has a selection in <em>Now Write: Writing Exercises from Today’s Best Writers and Teachers _(Tarcher Publications, 2006). Before turning to fiction Cai wrote for theater, film, and television. Two of her plays—_Mergatroid _and _When Petulia Comes</em>—were produced in New York theaters. She wrote for the TV show <em>The Trials of Rosie O’Neill</em>, and she has optioned numerous feature-length screenplays.</p><p>Special Guest: Cai Emmons.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Cai Emmons. Her newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Weather-Woman-Cai-Emmons/dp/1597096008/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537539428&sr=1-1&keywords=weather+women" rel="nofollow">Weather Woman</a>, is the story of meteorologist Bronwyn Artair who discovers she has the power to change the weather.</p>

<p>Feeling out of place in her doctoral program in Atmospheric Sciences at MIT, 30-year-old Bronwyn drops out and takes a job as a TV meteorologist in Southern New Hampshire, much to the dismay of her female mentor, Diane Fenwick. When, after a year of living alone by the Swampscott River, enduring the indignities of her job, first neglected by her Boston boyfriend, then dumped, she discovers that her deep connection to the natural world has led her to an ability to affect natural forces. When she finally accepts that she really possesses this startling capability, she must then negotiate a new relationship to the world. Who will she tell? Who will believe her? How can she keep herself from being seen as a kook? And, most importantly, how will she put this new skill of hers to use? As she seeks answers to these questions, she travels to Kansas to see the tornado maverick she thought was her mentor; falls in love with Matt, the tabloid journalist who has come to investigate her; feels called to visit the fires raging out of control in Los Angeles; and eventually voyages with Matt and Dr. Fenwick to the methane fields of Siberia near the Arctic Sea. This is the story of a woman experiencing power for the first time in her life. She must come to grips with that power and test its limits. What can she do for the world without hurting it further?</p>

<p>Cai Emmons is the author of <em>His Mother&#39;s Son</em>, published by Harcourt in 2003 and <em>The Stylist</em>, published by HarperCollins in 2007. Her short work has appeared in Arts and Letters, Narrative Magazine, The New York Post, and Portland Monthly, among others, and she has a selection in <em>Now Write: Writing Exercises from Today’s Best Writers and Teachers _(Tarcher Publications, 2006). Before turning to fiction Cai wrote for theater, film, and television. Two of her plays—_Mergatroid _and _When Petulia Comes</em>—were produced in New York theaters. She wrote for the TV show <em>The Trials of Rosie O’Neill</em>, and she has optioned numerous feature-length screenplays.</p><p>Special Guest: Cai Emmons.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 125: Faith in the Shadows, with Austin Fischer</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Austin Fischer. Too often, our honest questions about faith are met with cold confidence and easy answers. But false certitude doesn't result in strong faith—it results in disillusionment, or worse, in a dogmatic, overweening faith unable to see itself or its object clearly. Even as a pastor, Austin Fischer has experienced the shadows of doubt and disillusionment. In "Faith in the Shadows," he leans into perennial questions about Christianity with raw and fearless integrity.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Austin Fischer. Too often, our honest questions about faith are met with cold confidence and easy answers. But false certitude doesn&#39;t result in strong faith—it results in disillusionment, or worse, in a dogmatic, overweening faith unable to see itself or its object clearly. Even as a pastor, Austin Fischer has experienced the shadows of doubt and disillusionment. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Shadows-Finding-Christ-Midst/dp/0830845437" rel="nofollow">Faith in the Shadows</a>, he leans into perennial questions about Christianity with raw and fearless integrity. He addresses contemporary science, the problem of evil, hell, God&#39;s silence, and other issues, offering not only fresh treatments of these questions but also a fresh paradigm for thinking about doubt itself. Doubt, Fischer contends, is no reason to leave the faith. Instead, it&#39;s an invitation to a more honest faith—a faith that&#39;s not in control, but that trusts more fully in its Lord.</p>

<p>Austin Fischer is the lead pastor at Vista Community Church in Temple, Texas, and the author of <em>Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed</em>.</p><p>Special Guest: Austin Fischer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Austin Fischer. Too often, our honest questions about faith are met with cold confidence and easy answers. But false certitude doesn&#39;t result in strong faith—it results in disillusionment, or worse, in a dogmatic, overweening faith unable to see itself or its object clearly. Even as a pastor, Austin Fischer has experienced the shadows of doubt and disillusionment. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Shadows-Finding-Christ-Midst/dp/0830845437" rel="nofollow">Faith in the Shadows</a>, he leans into perennial questions about Christianity with raw and fearless integrity. He addresses contemporary science, the problem of evil, hell, God&#39;s silence, and other issues, offering not only fresh treatments of these questions but also a fresh paradigm for thinking about doubt itself. Doubt, Fischer contends, is no reason to leave the faith. Instead, it&#39;s an invitation to a more honest faith—a faith that&#39;s not in control, but that trusts more fully in its Lord.</p>

<p>Austin Fischer is the lead pastor at Vista Community Church in Temple, Texas, and the author of <em>Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed</em>.</p><p>Special Guest: Austin Fischer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Austin Fischer. Too often, our honest questions about faith are met with cold confidence and easy answers. But false certitude doesn&#39;t result in strong faith—it results in disillusionment, or worse, in a dogmatic, overweening faith unable to see itself or its object clearly. Even as a pastor, Austin Fischer has experienced the shadows of doubt and disillusionment. In <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Shadows-Finding-Christ-Midst/dp/0830845437" rel="nofollow">Faith in the Shadows</a>, he leans into perennial questions about Christianity with raw and fearless integrity. He addresses contemporary science, the problem of evil, hell, God&#39;s silence, and other issues, offering not only fresh treatments of these questions but also a fresh paradigm for thinking about doubt itself. Doubt, Fischer contends, is no reason to leave the faith. Instead, it&#39;s an invitation to a more honest faith—a faith that&#39;s not in control, but that trusts more fully in its Lord.</p>

<p>Austin Fischer is the lead pastor at Vista Community Church in Temple, Texas, and the author of <em>Young, Restless, No Longer Reformed</em>.</p><p>Special Guest: Austin Fischer.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Quammen. In his new book "The Tangled Tree: A Radical New History of Life," this nonpareil science writer explains how recent discoveries in molecular biology can change our understanding of evolution and life’s history, with powerful implications for human health and even our own human nature. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>In the mid-1970s, scientists began using DNA sequences to reexamine the history of all life. Perhaps the most startling discovery to come out of this new field—the study of life’s diversity and relatedness at the molecular level—is horizontal gene transfer (HGT), or the movement of genes across species lines. It turns out that HGT has been widespread and important. For instance, we now know that roughly eight percent of the human genome arrived not through traditional inheritance from directly ancestral forms, but sideways by viral infection—a type of HGT.</p>

<p>In The Tangled Tree David Quammen, “one of that rare breed of science journalists who blends exploration with a talent for synthesis and storytelling” (Nature), chronicles these discoveries through the lives of the researchers who made them—such as Carl Woese, the most important little-known biologist of the twentieth century; Lynn Margulis, the notorious maverick whose wild ideas about “mosaic” creatures proved to be true; and Tsutomu Wantanabe, who discovered that the scourge of antibiotic-resistant bacteria is a direct result of horizontal gene transfer, bringing the deep study of genome histories to bear on a global crisis in public health.</p>

<p>“Quammen is no ordinary writer. He is simply astonishing, one of that rare class of writer gifted with verve, ingenuity, humor, guts, and great heart” (Elle). Now, in The Tangled Tree, he explains how molecular studies of evolution have brought startling recognitions about the tangled tree of life—including where we humans fit upon it. Thanks to new technologies such as CRISPR, we now have the ability to alter even our genetic composition—through sideways insertions, as nature has long been doing. The Tangled Tree is a brilliant guide to our transformed understanding of evolution, of life’s history, and of our own human nature.</p>

<p>David Quammen’s fifteen books include_ The Tangled Tree, The Song of the Dodo, The Reluctant Mr. Darwin_, and <em>Spillover</em>, a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle award. He has written for Harper’s, The Atlantic, Rolling Stone, The New York Times Book Review, Outside, and Powder, among other magazines, and is a contributing writer for National Geographic. He wrote the entire text of the May 2016 issue of National Geographic on the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem—the first time in the history of the magazine that an issue was single-authored. Quammen shares a home in Bozeman, Montana, with his wife, Betsy Gaines Quammen, an environmental historian, along with two Russian wolfhounds and a cross-eyed cat. Visit him at DavidQuammen.com. </p><p>Special Guest: David Quammen.</p>]]>
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<p>In the mid-1970s, scientists began using DNA sequences to reexamine the history of all life. Perhaps the most startling discovery to come out of this new field—the study of life’s diversity and relatedness at the molecular level—is horizontal gene transfer (HGT), or the movement of genes across species lines. It turns out that HGT has been widespread and important. For instance, we now know that roughly eight percent of the human genome arrived not through traditional inheritance from directly ancestral forms, but sideways by viral infection—a type of HGT.</p>

<p>In The Tangled Tree David Quammen, “one of that rare breed of science journalists who blends exploration with a talent for synthesis and storytelling” (Nature), chronicles these discoveries through the lives of the researchers who made them—such as Carl Woese, the most important little-known biologist of the twentieth century; Lynn Margulis, the notorious maverick whose wild ideas about “mosaic” creatures proved to be true; and Tsutomu Wantanabe, who discovered that the scourge of antibiotic-resistant bacteria is a direct result of horizontal gene transfer, bringing the deep study of genome histories to bear on a global crisis in public health.</p>

<p>“Quammen is no ordinary writer. He is simply astonishing, one of that rare class of writer gifted with verve, ingenuity, humor, guts, and great heart” (Elle). Now, in The Tangled Tree, he explains how molecular studies of evolution have brought startling recognitions about the tangled tree of life—including where we humans fit upon it. Thanks to new technologies such as CRISPR, we now have the ability to alter even our genetic composition—through sideways insertions, as nature has long been doing. The Tangled Tree is a brilliant guide to our transformed understanding of evolution, of life’s history, and of our own human nature.</p>

<p>David Quammen’s fifteen books include_ The Tangled Tree, The Song of the Dodo, The Reluctant Mr. Darwin_, and <em>Spillover</em>, a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle award. He has written for Harper’s, The Atlantic, Rolling Stone, The New York Times Book Review, Outside, and Powder, among other magazines, and is a contributing writer for National Geographic. He wrote the entire text of the May 2016 issue of National Geographic on the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem—the first time in the history of the magazine that an issue was single-authored. Quammen shares a home in Bozeman, Montana, with his wife, Betsy Gaines Quammen, an environmental historian, along with two Russian wolfhounds and a cross-eyed cat. Visit him at DavidQuammen.com. </p><p>Special Guest: David Quammen.</p>]]>
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<p>In the mid-1970s, scientists began using DNA sequences to reexamine the history of all life. Perhaps the most startling discovery to come out of this new field—the study of life’s diversity and relatedness at the molecular level—is horizontal gene transfer (HGT), or the movement of genes across species lines. It turns out that HGT has been widespread and important. For instance, we now know that roughly eight percent of the human genome arrived not through traditional inheritance from directly ancestral forms, but sideways by viral infection—a type of HGT.</p>

<p>In The Tangled Tree David Quammen, “one of that rare breed of science journalists who blends exploration with a talent for synthesis and storytelling” (Nature), chronicles these discoveries through the lives of the researchers who made them—such as Carl Woese, the most important little-known biologist of the twentieth century; Lynn Margulis, the notorious maverick whose wild ideas about “mosaic” creatures proved to be true; and Tsutomu Wantanabe, who discovered that the scourge of antibiotic-resistant bacteria is a direct result of horizontal gene transfer, bringing the deep study of genome histories to bear on a global crisis in public health.</p>

<p>“Quammen is no ordinary writer. He is simply astonishing, one of that rare class of writer gifted with verve, ingenuity, humor, guts, and great heart” (Elle). Now, in The Tangled Tree, he explains how molecular studies of evolution have brought startling recognitions about the tangled tree of life—including where we humans fit upon it. Thanks to new technologies such as CRISPR, we now have the ability to alter even our genetic composition—through sideways insertions, as nature has long been doing. The Tangled Tree is a brilliant guide to our transformed understanding of evolution, of life’s history, and of our own human nature.</p>

<p>David Quammen’s fifteen books include_ The Tangled Tree, The Song of the Dodo, The Reluctant Mr. Darwin_, and <em>Spillover</em>, a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle award. He has written for Harper’s, The Atlantic, Rolling Stone, The New York Times Book Review, Outside, and Powder, among other magazines, and is a contributing writer for National Geographic. He wrote the entire text of the May 2016 issue of National Geographic on the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem—the first time in the history of the magazine that an issue was single-authored. Quammen shares a home in Bozeman, Montana, with his wife, Betsy Gaines Quammen, an environmental historian, along with two Russian wolfhounds and a cross-eyed cat. Visit him at DavidQuammen.com. </p><p>Special Guest: David Quammen.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Alyshia Gálvez. In her gripping new book, "Eating NAFTA: Trade Food Policies, and the Destruction of Mexico", Alyshia Gálvez exposes how changes in policy following NAFTA have fundamentally altered one of the most basic elements of life in Mexico – sustenance. Mexicans are faced with a food system that favors food security over subsistence agriculture, development over sustainability, market participation over social welfare, and ideologies of self-care over public health. Trade agreements negotiated to improve lives have sometimes failed, resulting in unintended consequences for people’s everyday lives.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Alyshia Gálvez is Professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at Lehman College of the City University of New York. She is the author of <em>Guadalupe in New York: Devotion and the Struggle for Citizenship Rights among Mexican Immigrants _and _Patient Citizens, Immigrant Mothers: Mexican Women, Public Prenatal Care, and the Birth-weight Paradox</em>.</p>]]>
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<p>Alyshia Gálvez is Professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at Lehman College of the City University of New York. She is the author of <em>Guadalupe in New York: Devotion and the Struggle for Citizenship Rights among Mexican Immigrants _and _Patient Citizens, Immigrant Mothers: Mexican Women, Public Prenatal Care, and the Birth-weight Paradox</em>.</p>]]>
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<p>Alyshia Gálvez is Professor of Latin American and Latino Studies at Lehman College of the City University of New York. She is the author of <em>Guadalupe in New York: Devotion and the Struggle for Citizenship Rights among Mexican Immigrants _and _Patient Citizens, Immigrant Mothers: Mexican Women, Public Prenatal Care, and the Birth-weight Paradox</em>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>For millennia, idleness and laziness have been regarded as vices. We're all expected to work to survive and get ahead, and devoting energy to anything but labor and self-improvement can seem like a luxury or a moral failure. Far from questioning this conventional wisdom, modern philosophers have worked hard to develop new reasons to denigrate idleness. In "Idleness", the first book to challenge modern philosophy's portrayal of inactivity, Brian O'Connor argues that the case against an indifference to work and effort is flawed--and that idle aimlessness may instead allow for the highest form of freedom.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>For millennia, idleness and laziness have been regarded as vices. We&#39;re all expected to work to survive and get ahead, and devoting energy to anything but labor and self-improvement can seem like a luxury or a moral failure. Far from questioning this conventional wisdom, modern philosophers have worked hard to develop new reasons to denigrate idleness. In <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Idleness-Philosophical-Essay-Brian-OConnor/dp/0691167524" rel="nofollow">Idleness</a></em>, the first book to challenge modern philosophy&#39;s portrayal of inactivity, Brian O&#39;Connor argues that the case against an indifference to work and effort is flawed--and that idle aimlessness may instead allow for the highest form of freedom.</p>

<p>O&#39;Connor throws doubt on all these arguments, presenting a sympathetic vision of the inactive and unserious that draws on more productive ideas about idleness, from ancient Greece through Robert Burton&#39;s Anatomy of Melancholy, Schiller and Marcuse&#39;s thoughts about the importance of play, and recent critiques of the cult of work. A thought-provoking reconsideration of productivity for the twenty-first century, Idleness shows that, from now on, no theory of what it means to have a free mind can exclude idleness from the conversation.</p><p>Special Guest: Brian O&#39;Connor.</p>]]>
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<p>O&#39;Connor throws doubt on all these arguments, presenting a sympathetic vision of the inactive and unserious that draws on more productive ideas about idleness, from ancient Greece through Robert Burton&#39;s Anatomy of Melancholy, Schiller and Marcuse&#39;s thoughts about the importance of play, and recent critiques of the cult of work. A thought-provoking reconsideration of productivity for the twenty-first century, Idleness shows that, from now on, no theory of what it means to have a free mind can exclude idleness from the conversation.</p><p>Special Guest: Brian O&#39;Connor.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 121: American Hate: Survivors Speak Out, with Arjun Sethi</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Arjun Sethi. In his new book American Hate: Survivors Speak Out, he chronicles the stories of individuals affected by hate. In a series of powerful, unfiltered testimonials, survivors tell their stories in their own words and describe how the bigoted rhetoric and policies of the Trump administration have intensified bullying, discrimination, and even violence toward them and their communities.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:17</itunes:duration>
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<p>Arjun Singh Sethi is a community activist, civil rights lawyer, writer, and law professor based in Washington, DC. He works closely with Muslim, Arab, South Asian, and Sikh communities and advocates for racial justice, equity, and social change at both the local and the national levels. His writing has appeared in CNN Opinion, The Guardian, Politico magazine, USA Today, and the Washington Post, and he is featured regularly on national radio and television. He holds faculty appointments at Georgetown University Law Center and Vanderbilt University Law School, and presently co-chairs the American Bar Association’s National Committee on Homeland Security, Terrorism, and Treatment of Enemy Combatants.</p><p>Special Guest: Arjun Singh Sethi.</p>]]>
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<p>Arjun Singh Sethi is a community activist, civil rights lawyer, writer, and law professor based in Washington, DC. He works closely with Muslim, Arab, South Asian, and Sikh communities and advocates for racial justice, equity, and social change at both the local and the national levels. His writing has appeared in CNN Opinion, The Guardian, Politico magazine, USA Today, and the Washington Post, and he is featured regularly on national radio and television. He holds faculty appointments at Georgetown University Law Center and Vanderbilt University Law School, and presently co-chairs the American Bar Association’s National Committee on Homeland Security, Terrorism, and Treatment of Enemy Combatants.</p><p>Special Guest: Arjun Singh Sethi.</p>]]>
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<p>Arjun Singh Sethi is a community activist, civil rights lawyer, writer, and law professor based in Washington, DC. He works closely with Muslim, Arab, South Asian, and Sikh communities and advocates for racial justice, equity, and social change at both the local and the national levels. His writing has appeared in CNN Opinion, The Guardian, Politico magazine, USA Today, and the Washington Post, and he is featured regularly on national radio and television. He holds faculty appointments at Georgetown University Law Center and Vanderbilt University Law School, and presently co-chairs the American Bar Association’s National Committee on Homeland Security, Terrorism, and Treatment of Enemy Combatants.</p><p>Special Guest: Arjun Singh Sethi.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 120: Talking Tariffs and International Trade, with Steven Wallace</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Steven Wallace.Steven Wallace is the founder and CEO of the Omanhene Cocoa Bean Company, the first company to sustain exports of premium chocolate manufactured entirely in Africa, and credited with producing the world's first single-origin chocolate bar in 1994. He shares his experience with tariffs and their impact on international trade and the world economy. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Wallace often speaks on economic development, cross-cultural issues, and the challenges of starting a gourmet-food business in Africa. He lives in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin.</p><p>Special Guest: Steven C. Wallace .</p>]]>
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<p>Wallace often speaks on economic development, cross-cultural issues, and the challenges of starting a gourmet-food business in Africa. He lives in Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin.</p><p>Special Guest: Steven C. Wallace .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 119: Learning To Speak God From Scratch, with Jonathan Merritt</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jonathan Merritt. His newest book is "Learning to Speak God from Scratch: Why Sacred Words Are Vanishing--and How We Can Revive Them." As America rapidly becomes a pluralistic, postmodern society, many of us struggle to talk about faith. As America rapidly becomes a pluralistic, postmodern society, many of us struggle to talk about faith.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>48:58</itunes:duration>
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<p>As America rapidly becomes a pluralistic, postmodern society, many of us struggle to talk about faith. We can no longer assume our friends understand words such as grace or gospel. Others, like lost and sin, have become so negative they are nearly conversation-enders.</p>

<p>Jonathan Merritt knows this frustration well. After Jonathan moved from the Bible Belt to New York City, he discovered that whenever conversations turned to spirituality, the words he&#39;d used for decades didn&#39;t  connect with listeners anymore. In a search for answers and understanding, Jonathan uncovered a spiritual crisis affecting tens of millions. </p>

<p>In this groundbreaking book, one of America&#39;s premier religion writers revives ancient expressions through cultural commentary, vulnerable personal narratives, and surprising biblical insights. Both provocative and liberating, <em>Learning to Speak God from Scratch</em> will breathe new life into your spiritual conversations and lure you into the embrace of the God who inhabits them.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Merritt.</p>]]>
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<p>As America rapidly becomes a pluralistic, postmodern society, many of us struggle to talk about faith. We can no longer assume our friends understand words such as grace or gospel. Others, like lost and sin, have become so negative they are nearly conversation-enders.</p>

<p>Jonathan Merritt knows this frustration well. After Jonathan moved from the Bible Belt to New York City, he discovered that whenever conversations turned to spirituality, the words he&#39;d used for decades didn&#39;t  connect with listeners anymore. In a search for answers and understanding, Jonathan uncovered a spiritual crisis affecting tens of millions. </p>

<p>In this groundbreaking book, one of America&#39;s premier religion writers revives ancient expressions through cultural commentary, vulnerable personal narratives, and surprising biblical insights. Both provocative and liberating, <em>Learning to Speak God from Scratch</em> will breathe new life into your spiritual conversations and lure you into the embrace of the God who inhabits them.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Merritt.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jonathan Merritt. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Speak-God-Scratch-Vanishing/dp/1601429304" rel="nofollow">Learning to Speak God from Scratch: Why Sacred Words Are Vanishing--and How We Can Revive Them.</a></p>

<p>As America rapidly becomes a pluralistic, postmodern society, many of us struggle to talk about faith. We can no longer assume our friends understand words such as grace or gospel. Others, like lost and sin, have become so negative they are nearly conversation-enders.</p>

<p>Jonathan Merritt knows this frustration well. After Jonathan moved from the Bible Belt to New York City, he discovered that whenever conversations turned to spirituality, the words he&#39;d used for decades didn&#39;t  connect with listeners anymore. In a search for answers and understanding, Jonathan uncovered a spiritual crisis affecting tens of millions. </p>

<p>In this groundbreaking book, one of America&#39;s premier religion writers revives ancient expressions through cultural commentary, vulnerable personal narratives, and surprising biblical insights. Both provocative and liberating, <em>Learning to Speak God from Scratch</em> will breathe new life into your spiritual conversations and lure you into the embrace of the God who inhabits them.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Merritt.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 118: From Politics to the Pews: How Partisanship and the Political Environment Shape Religious Identity, with Michele F. Margolis</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Michele Margolis. One of the most substantial divides in American politics is the “God gap.” Religious voters tend to identify with and support the Republican Party, while secular voters generally support the Democratic Party. Margolis' new book "From Politics to the Pews: How Partisanship and the Political Environment Shape Religious Identity" challenges the conventional wisdom that suggests that religious differences between Republicans and Democrats have produced this gap, with voters sorting themselves into the party that best represents their religious views.
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michele Margolis. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Pews-Partisanship-Political-Environment/dp/022655578X" rel="nofollow">From Politics to the Pews: How Partisanship and the Political Environment Shape Religious Identity </a>challenges the conventional wisdom that suggests that religious differences between Republicans and Democrats have produced this gap, with voters sorting themselves into the party that best represents their religious views.</p>

<p>Margolis offers a bold challenge to the conventional wisdom, arguing that the relationship between religion and politics is far from a one-way street that starts in the church and ends at the ballot box. Margolis contends that political identity has a profound effect on social identity, including religion. Whether a person chooses to identify as religious and the extent of their involvement in a religious community are, in part, a response to political surroundings. In today’s climate of political polarization, partisan actors also help reinforce the relationship between religion and politics, as Democratic and Republican elites stake out divergent positions on moral issues and use religious faith to varying degrees when reaching out to voters.</p>

<p>Michele F. Margolis is assistant professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania. </p><p>Special Guest: Michele F. Margolis.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michele Margolis. Her new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Politics-Pews-Partisanship-Political-Environment/dp/022655578X" rel="nofollow">From Politics to the Pews: How Partisanship and the Political Environment Shape Religious Identity </a>challenges the conventional wisdom that suggests that religious differences between Republicans and Democrats have produced this gap, with voters sorting themselves into the party that best represents their religious views.</p>

<p>Margolis offers a bold challenge to the conventional wisdom, arguing that the relationship between religion and politics is far from a one-way street that starts in the church and ends at the ballot box. Margolis contends that political identity has a profound effect on social identity, including religion. Whether a person chooses to identify as religious and the extent of their involvement in a religious community are, in part, a response to political surroundings. In today’s climate of political polarization, partisan actors also help reinforce the relationship between religion and politics, as Democratic and Republican elites stake out divergent positions on moral issues and use religious faith to varying degrees when reaching out to voters.</p>

<p>Michele F. Margolis is assistant professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania. </p><p>Special Guest: Michele F. Margolis.</p>]]>
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<p>Margolis offers a bold challenge to the conventional wisdom, arguing that the relationship between religion and politics is far from a one-way street that starts in the church and ends at the ballot box. Margolis contends that political identity has a profound effect on social identity, including religion. Whether a person chooses to identify as religious and the extent of their involvement in a religious community are, in part, a response to political surroundings. In today’s climate of political polarization, partisan actors also help reinforce the relationship between religion and politics, as Democratic and Republican elites stake out divergent positions on moral issues and use religious faith to varying degrees when reaching out to voters.</p>

<p>Michele F. Margolis is assistant professor of political science at the University of Pennsylvania. </p><p>Special Guest: Michele F. Margolis.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 117: Redeeming Capitalism, with Kenneth J. Barnes</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Kenneth J. Barnes. His new book "Redeeming Capitalism" explores the history and workings of this sometimes-brutal economic system. He investigates the effects of postmodernism and unpacks biblical-theological teachings on work and wealth. Proposing virtuous choices as a way out of such pitfalls as the recent global financial crisis, Barnes envisions a more just and flourishing capitalism for the good of all. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:47</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kenneth J. Barnes. His new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Redeeming-Capitalism-Kenneth-J-Barnes/dp/0802875572" rel="nofollow">Redeeming Capitalism</a> explores the history and workings of this sometimes-brutal economic system. He investigates the effects of postmodernism and unpacks biblical-theological teachings on work and wealth. Proposing virtuous choices as a way out of such pitfalls as the recent global financial crisis, Barnes envisions a more just and flourishing capitalism for the good of all. </p>

<p>Kenneth J. Barnes holds the Mockler-Phillips Chair in Workplace Theology and Business Ethics at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. An ordained minister, he has also conducted business on six continents as a senior international executive.</p><p>Special Guest: Kenneth J. Barnes.</p>]]>
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<p>Kenneth J. Barnes holds the Mockler-Phillips Chair in Workplace Theology and Business Ethics at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. An ordained minister, he has also conducted business on six continents as a senior international executive.</p><p>Special Guest: Kenneth J. Barnes.</p>]]>
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<p>Kenneth J. Barnes holds the Mockler-Phillips Chair in Workplace Theology and Business Ethics at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. An ordained minister, he has also conducted business on six continents as a senior international executive.</p><p>Special Guest: Kenneth J. Barnes.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 116: Disruptive Witness: Speaking Truth in a Distracted Age, with Alan Noble</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2018 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Alan Noble. His new book "Disruptive Witness" casts a new vision for the evangelical imagination, calling us away from abstraction and cliché to a more faithful embodiment of the gospel for our day.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:06:20</itunes:duration>
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<p>These two trends define life in Western society today. We are increasingly addicted to habits―and devices―that distract and &quot;buffer&quot; us from substantive reflection and deep engagement with the world. And we live in what Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor calls &quot;a secular age&quot;―an age in which all beliefs are equally viable and real transcendence is less and less plausible. Drawing on Taylor&#39;s work, Alan Noble describes how these realities shape our thinking and affect our daily lives. Too often Christians have acquiesced to these trends, and the result has been a church that struggles to disrupt the ingrained patterns of people&#39;s lives. But the gospel of Jesus is inherently disruptive: like a plow, it breaks up the hardened surface to expose the fertile earth below. In this book Noble lays out individual, ecclesial, and cultural practices that disrupt our society&#39;s deep-rooted assumptions and point beyond them to the transcendent grace and beauty of Jesus. <em>Disruptive Witness</em> casts a new vision for the evangelical imagination, calling us away from abstraction and cliché to a more faithful embodiment of the gospel for our day.</p>

<p>Alan Noble (PhD, Baylor University) is assistant professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and cofounder and editor-in-chief of <em>Christ and Pop Culture.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Alan Noble.</p>]]>
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<p>These two trends define life in Western society today. We are increasingly addicted to habits―and devices―that distract and &quot;buffer&quot; us from substantive reflection and deep engagement with the world. And we live in what Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor calls &quot;a secular age&quot;―an age in which all beliefs are equally viable and real transcendence is less and less plausible. Drawing on Taylor&#39;s work, Alan Noble describes how these realities shape our thinking and affect our daily lives. Too often Christians have acquiesced to these trends, and the result has been a church that struggles to disrupt the ingrained patterns of people&#39;s lives. But the gospel of Jesus is inherently disruptive: like a plow, it breaks up the hardened surface to expose the fertile earth below. In this book Noble lays out individual, ecclesial, and cultural practices that disrupt our society&#39;s deep-rooted assumptions and point beyond them to the transcendent grace and beauty of Jesus. <em>Disruptive Witness</em> casts a new vision for the evangelical imagination, calling us away from abstraction and cliché to a more faithful embodiment of the gospel for our day.</p>

<p>Alan Noble (PhD, Baylor University) is assistant professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and cofounder and editor-in-chief of <em>Christ and Pop Culture.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Alan Noble.</p>]]>
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<p>These two trends define life in Western society today. We are increasingly addicted to habits―and devices―that distract and &quot;buffer&quot; us from substantive reflection and deep engagement with the world. And we live in what Canadian philosopher Charles Taylor calls &quot;a secular age&quot;―an age in which all beliefs are equally viable and real transcendence is less and less plausible. Drawing on Taylor&#39;s work, Alan Noble describes how these realities shape our thinking and affect our daily lives. Too often Christians have acquiesced to these trends, and the result has been a church that struggles to disrupt the ingrained patterns of people&#39;s lives. But the gospel of Jesus is inherently disruptive: like a plow, it breaks up the hardened surface to expose the fertile earth below. In this book Noble lays out individual, ecclesial, and cultural practices that disrupt our society&#39;s deep-rooted assumptions and point beyond them to the transcendent grace and beauty of Jesus. <em>Disruptive Witness</em> casts a new vision for the evangelical imagination, calling us away from abstraction and cliché to a more faithful embodiment of the gospel for our day.</p>

<p>Alan Noble (PhD, Baylor University) is assistant professor of English at Oklahoma Baptist University and cofounder and editor-in-chief of <em>Christ and Pop Culture.</em></p><p>Special Guest: Alan Noble.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 115: Jell-O Girls, with Allie Rowbottom</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2018 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Allie Rowbottom. Her debut book is "Jell-O Girls: A Family History." It's a memoir that braids the evolution of one of America's most iconic branding campaigns with the stirring tales of the women who lived behind its façade - told by the inheritor of their stories.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>48:46</itunes:duration>
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<p>In 1899, Allie Rowbottom&#39;s great-great-great-uncle bought the patent to Jell-O from its inventor for $450. The sale would turn out to be one of the most profitable business deals in American history, and the generations that followed enjoyed immense privilege - but they were also haunted by suicides, cancer, alcoholism, and mysterious ailments.</p>

<p>An examination of the dark side of an iconic American product and a portrait of the women who lived in the shadow of its fractured fortune, JELL-O GIRLS is a family history, a feminist history, and a story of motherhood, love and loss. Throughout, Rowbottom considers the roots of trauma not only in her own family, but in the American psyche as well, ultimately weaving a story that is deeply personal, as well as deeply connected to the collective female experience.</p><p>Special Guest: Allie Rowbottom.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Allie Rowbottom. Her debut book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/JELL-Girls-History-Allie-Rowbottom/dp/0316510610" rel="nofollow">Jell-O Girls: A Family History</a>. It&#39;s a memoir that braids the evolution of one of America&#39;s most iconic branding campaigns with the stirring tales of the women who lived behind its façade - told by the inheritor of their stories.</p>

<p>In 1899, Allie Rowbottom&#39;s great-great-great-uncle bought the patent to Jell-O from its inventor for $450. The sale would turn out to be one of the most profitable business deals in American history, and the generations that followed enjoyed immense privilege - but they were also haunted by suicides, cancer, alcoholism, and mysterious ailments.</p>

<p>An examination of the dark side of an iconic American product and a portrait of the women who lived in the shadow of its fractured fortune, JELL-O GIRLS is a family history, a feminist history, and a story of motherhood, love and loss. Throughout, Rowbottom considers the roots of trauma not only in her own family, but in the American psyche as well, ultimately weaving a story that is deeply personal, as well as deeply connected to the collective female experience.</p><p>Special Guest: Allie Rowbottom.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Allie Rowbottom. Her debut book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/JELL-Girls-History-Allie-Rowbottom/dp/0316510610" rel="nofollow">Jell-O Girls: A Family History</a>. It&#39;s a memoir that braids the evolution of one of America&#39;s most iconic branding campaigns with the stirring tales of the women who lived behind its façade - told by the inheritor of their stories.</p>

<p>In 1899, Allie Rowbottom&#39;s great-great-great-uncle bought the patent to Jell-O from its inventor for $450. The sale would turn out to be one of the most profitable business deals in American history, and the generations that followed enjoyed immense privilege - but they were also haunted by suicides, cancer, alcoholism, and mysterious ailments.</p>

<p>An examination of the dark side of an iconic American product and a portrait of the women who lived in the shadow of its fractured fortune, JELL-O GIRLS is a family history, a feminist history, and a story of motherhood, love and loss. Throughout, Rowbottom considers the roots of trauma not only in her own family, but in the American psyche as well, ultimately weaving a story that is deeply personal, as well as deeply connected to the collective female experience.</p><p>Special Guest: Allie Rowbottom.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 114: Believe Me: The Evangelical Road To Donald Trump, with John Fea</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2018 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is John Fea. John is professor of American history at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. His previous books include "Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? A Historical Introduction", and he blogs regularly at The Way of Improvement Leads Home. His newest book "Believe Me: The Evangelical Road To Donald Trump" argues that the embrace of Donald Trump is the logical outcome of a long-standing evangelical approach to public life defined by the politics of fear, the pursuit of worldly power, and a nostalgic longing for an American past. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:19</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Fea. John is professor of American history at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. His previous books include <a href="https://www.amazon.com/America-Founded-Christian-Nation-Revised/dp/066426249X/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=066426249X&pd_rd_r=4025d6f0-99d7-11e8-8a63-ad2dc5335592&pd_rd_w=Zrrxa&pd_rd_wg=pMeE8&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=a180fdfb-b54e-4904-85ba-d852197d6c09&pf_rd_r=TWAGW7WV73T1X93HBB2H&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=TWAGW7WV73T1X93HBB2H" rel="nofollow">Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? A Historical Introduction</a>, and he blogs regularly at <a href="https://thewayofimprovement.com" rel="nofollow">The Way of Improvement Leads Home</a>. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Believe-Me-Evangelical-Donald-Trump/dp/0802876412" rel="nofollow">Believe Me: The Evangelical Road To Donald Trump</a> argues that the embrace of Donald Trump is the logical outcome of a long-standing evangelical approach to public life defined by the politics of fear, the pursuit of worldly power, and a nostalgic longing for an American past. </p>

<p>As insightful as it is timely, Fea’s <em>Believe Me</em> challenges Christians to replace fear with hope, the pursuit of power with humility, and nostalgia with history.</p><p>Special Guest: John Fea.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Fea. John is professor of American history at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. His previous books include <a href="https://www.amazon.com/America-Founded-Christian-Nation-Revised/dp/066426249X/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=066426249X&pd_rd_r=4025d6f0-99d7-11e8-8a63-ad2dc5335592&pd_rd_w=Zrrxa&pd_rd_wg=pMeE8&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=a180fdfb-b54e-4904-85ba-d852197d6c09&pf_rd_r=TWAGW7WV73T1X93HBB2H&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=TWAGW7WV73T1X93HBB2H" rel="nofollow">Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? A Historical Introduction</a>, and he blogs regularly at <a href="https://thewayofimprovement.com" rel="nofollow">The Way of Improvement Leads Home</a>. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Believe-Me-Evangelical-Donald-Trump/dp/0802876412" rel="nofollow">Believe Me: The Evangelical Road To Donald Trump</a> argues that the embrace of Donald Trump is the logical outcome of a long-standing evangelical approach to public life defined by the politics of fear, the pursuit of worldly power, and a nostalgic longing for an American past. </p>

<p>As insightful as it is timely, Fea’s <em>Believe Me</em> challenges Christians to replace fear with hope, the pursuit of power with humility, and nostalgia with history.</p><p>Special Guest: John Fea.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is John Fea. John is professor of American history at Messiah College in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. His previous books include <a href="https://www.amazon.com/America-Founded-Christian-Nation-Revised/dp/066426249X/ref=pd_sim_14_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=066426249X&pd_rd_r=4025d6f0-99d7-11e8-8a63-ad2dc5335592&pd_rd_w=Zrrxa&pd_rd_wg=pMeE8&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=a180fdfb-b54e-4904-85ba-d852197d6c09&pf_rd_r=TWAGW7WV73T1X93HBB2H&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=TWAGW7WV73T1X93HBB2H" rel="nofollow">Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? A Historical Introduction</a>, and he blogs regularly at <a href="https://thewayofimprovement.com" rel="nofollow">The Way of Improvement Leads Home</a>. His newest book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Believe-Me-Evangelical-Donald-Trump/dp/0802876412" rel="nofollow">Believe Me: The Evangelical Road To Donald Trump</a> argues that the embrace of Donald Trump is the logical outcome of a long-standing evangelical approach to public life defined by the politics of fear, the pursuit of worldly power, and a nostalgic longing for an American past. </p>

<p>As insightful as it is timely, Fea’s <em>Believe Me</em> challenges Christians to replace fear with hope, the pursuit of power with humility, and nostalgia with history.</p><p>Special Guest: John Fea.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 113: Friends Bearing Gifts, with Joseph Cicio </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Joseph Cicio. Lauren Bacall, Bill Blass, Rose Marie Bravo, Carol Channing, Prince Charles, Brooke Hayward Duchin, Erté, Princess Grace, Audrey Hepburn, Lady Nancy “Slim” Keith, The Kissingers, Kenneth J. Lane, Eleanor Lambert, Dawn Mello, Robert Mondavi, Josie Natori, and Joan Rivers, are just a few of the great friends of Joseph Cicio. His first book, Friends* *Bearing Gifts is about these relationships and his memories through the beautiful objects they gave him.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:09:54</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joseph Cicio. Lauren Bacall, Bill Blass, Rose Marie Bravo, Carol Channing, Prince Charles, Brooke Hayward Duchin, Erté, Princess Grace, Audrey Hepburn, Lady Nancy “Slim” Keith, The Kissingers, Kenneth J. Lane, Eleanor Lambert, Dawn Mello, Robert Mondavi, Josie Natori, and Joan Rivers, are just a few of the great friends of Joseph Cicio. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Friends-Bearing-Gifts-Joseph-Cicio/dp/1938461967" rel="nofollow">Friends* *Bearing Gifts</a> is about these relationships and his memories through the beautiful objects they gave him.  Featuring stunning photography of Cicio’s Connecticut home, with essays on these friends and their gifts, the book emphasizes the importance of relationships. It is a reflection on a life filled with warmth, beauty, and ultimately exceptional memories. As Nancy Kissingers says in her elegant foreword, “No one understands and articulates the value of friendship more sincerely than Joe.”</p><p>Special Guest: Joseph Cicio .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joseph Cicio. Lauren Bacall, Bill Blass, Rose Marie Bravo, Carol Channing, Prince Charles, Brooke Hayward Duchin, Erté, Princess Grace, Audrey Hepburn, Lady Nancy “Slim” Keith, The Kissingers, Kenneth J. Lane, Eleanor Lambert, Dawn Mello, Robert Mondavi, Josie Natori, and Joan Rivers, are just a few of the great friends of Joseph Cicio. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Friends-Bearing-Gifts-Joseph-Cicio/dp/1938461967" rel="nofollow">Friends* *Bearing Gifts</a> is about these relationships and his memories through the beautiful objects they gave him.  Featuring stunning photography of Cicio’s Connecticut home, with essays on these friends and their gifts, the book emphasizes the importance of relationships. It is a reflection on a life filled with warmth, beauty, and ultimately exceptional memories. As Nancy Kissingers says in her elegant foreword, “No one understands and articulates the value of friendship more sincerely than Joe.”</p><p>Special Guest: Joseph Cicio .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Joseph Cicio. Lauren Bacall, Bill Blass, Rose Marie Bravo, Carol Channing, Prince Charles, Brooke Hayward Duchin, Erté, Princess Grace, Audrey Hepburn, Lady Nancy “Slim” Keith, The Kissingers, Kenneth J. Lane, Eleanor Lambert, Dawn Mello, Robert Mondavi, Josie Natori, and Joan Rivers, are just a few of the great friends of Joseph Cicio. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Friends-Bearing-Gifts-Joseph-Cicio/dp/1938461967" rel="nofollow">Friends* *Bearing Gifts</a> is about these relationships and his memories through the beautiful objects they gave him.  Featuring stunning photography of Cicio’s Connecticut home, with essays on these friends and their gifts, the book emphasizes the importance of relationships. It is a reflection on a life filled with warmth, beauty, and ultimately exceptional memories. As Nancy Kissingers says in her elegant foreword, “No one understands and articulates the value of friendship more sincerely than Joe.”</p><p>Special Guest: Joseph Cicio .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 112: The Blessing of Sorrow, with Rabbi Ben Kamin</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2018 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Rabbi Ben Kamin. He is a nationally-known clergyman, teacher, counselor, and the prize-winning author of twelve books on human values, civil rights, and spirituality. His most recent book is "The Blessing Of Sorrow: Turning Grief into Healing."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>39:54</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Ben Kamin. He is a nationally-known clergyman, teacher, counselor, and the prize-winning author of twelve books on human values, civil rights, and spirituality. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blessing-Sorrow-Turning-Grief-Healing/dp/1942094655" rel="nofollow">The Blessing Of Sorrow: Turning Grief into Healing</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Kamin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Ben Kamin. He is a nationally-known clergyman, teacher, counselor, and the prize-winning author of twelve books on human values, civil rights, and spirituality. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blessing-Sorrow-Turning-Grief-Healing/dp/1942094655" rel="nofollow">The Blessing Of Sorrow: Turning Grief into Healing</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Kamin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Ben Kamin. He is a nationally-known clergyman, teacher, counselor, and the prize-winning author of twelve books on human values, civil rights, and spirituality. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blessing-Sorrow-Turning-Grief-Healing/dp/1942094655" rel="nofollow">The Blessing Of Sorrow: Turning Grief into Healing</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Ben Kamin.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 111: Kosher Movies</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Rabbi Herbert J. Cohen. His column, “Kosher Movies,” has appeared in newspapers in Atlanta, Toronto, and Denver. Rabbi Cohen also blogs regularly in The Times of Israel and the Religion Section of The Huffington Post on the intersection of film and faith.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>39:49</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Herbert J. Cohen. His column, “Kosher Movies,” has appeared in newspapers in Atlanta, Toronto, and Denver. He is the author of several books including <em>Kosher Movies: A Film Critic Discovers Life Lessons at the Cinema, The One of Us: A Life in Jewish Education, Texas Torah, Kosher Parenting and Walking in Two Worlds: Visioning Torah Concepts in Secular Worlds</em>. Rabbi Cohen also blogs regularly in <em>The Times of Israel</em> and the Religion Section of <em>The Huffington Post</em> on the intersection of film and faith.</p><p>Special Guest: Herbert J. Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Rabbi Herbert J. Cohen. His column, “Kosher Movies,” has appeared in newspapers in Atlanta, Toronto, and Denver. He is the author of several books including <em>Kosher Movies: A Film Critic Discovers Life Lessons at the Cinema, The One of Us: A Life in Jewish Education, Texas Torah, Kosher Parenting and Walking in Two Worlds: Visioning Torah Concepts in Secular Worlds</em>. Rabbi Cohen also blogs regularly in <em>The Times of Israel</em> and the Religion Section of <em>The Huffington Post</em> on the intersection of film and faith.</p><p>Special Guest: Herbert J. Cohen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 110: Who Will Speak For America?, with Stephanie Feldman</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2018 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Stephanie Feldman. She co-edited "Who Will Speak For America?", with Nathaniel Popkin. The editors and contributors to "Who Will Speak for America?" are passionate and justifiably angry voices providing a literary response to today’s political crisis.  Inspired by and drawing from the work of writers who participated in nationwide Writers Resist events in January 2017, this volume provides a collection of poems, stories, essays, and cartoons that wrestle with the meaning of America and American identity. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stephanie Feldman. She co-edited <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak For America?</a>, with Nathaniel Popkin. The editors and contributors to <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America? </a>are passionate and justifiably angry voices providing a literary response to today’s political crisis.  Inspired by and drawing from the work of writers who participated in nationwide Writers Resist events in January 2017, this volume provides a collection of poems, stories, essays, and cartoons that wrestle with the meaning of America and American identity. The contributions—from established figures including Eileen Myles, Melissa Febos, Jericho Brown, and Madeleine Thien, as well as rising new voices, such as Carmen Maria Machado, Ganzeer, and Liana Finck—confront a country beset by racial injustice, poverty, misogyny, and violence. </p>

<p>Contributions reflect on the terror of the first days after the 2016 Presidential election, but range well beyond it to interrogate the past and imagine possible American futures. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America?</a> inspires readers by emphasizing the power of patience, organizing, resilience and community. These moving works advance the conversation the American colonists began, and that generations of activists, in their efforts to perfect our union, have elevated and amplified.</p>

<p>Stephanie Feldman is the author of the novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Angel-Losses-Novel-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/0062228919/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530902123&sr=8-1&keywords=the+angel+of+losses" rel="nofollow">The Angel of Losses </a>(Ecco), a Barnes &amp; Noble Discover Great New Writers selection, winner of the Crawford Fantasy Award, and finalist for the Mythopoeic Award, and is the co-editor of the forthcoming multi-genre anthology <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530902155&sr=1-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America?</a> (Temple University Press) Her stories and essays have appeared in, or are forthcoming from, <em>Asimov’s, Electric Literature, The Magazine of Fantasy &amp; Science Fiction, The Rumpus,</em> and <em>Vol. 1 Brooklyn</em>. She lives outside Philadelphia with her family.</p><p>Special Guest: Stephanie Feldman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stephanie Feldman. She co-edited <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak For America?</a>, with Nathaniel Popkin. The editors and contributors to <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America? </a>are passionate and justifiably angry voices providing a literary response to today’s political crisis.  Inspired by and drawing from the work of writers who participated in nationwide Writers Resist events in January 2017, this volume provides a collection of poems, stories, essays, and cartoons that wrestle with the meaning of America and American identity. The contributions—from established figures including Eileen Myles, Melissa Febos, Jericho Brown, and Madeleine Thien, as well as rising new voices, such as Carmen Maria Machado, Ganzeer, and Liana Finck—confront a country beset by racial injustice, poverty, misogyny, and violence. </p>

<p>Contributions reflect on the terror of the first days after the 2016 Presidential election, but range well beyond it to interrogate the past and imagine possible American futures. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America?</a> inspires readers by emphasizing the power of patience, organizing, resilience and community. These moving works advance the conversation the American colonists began, and that generations of activists, in their efforts to perfect our union, have elevated and amplified.</p>

<p>Stephanie Feldman is the author of the novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Angel-Losses-Novel-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/0062228919/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530902123&sr=8-1&keywords=the+angel+of+losses" rel="nofollow">The Angel of Losses </a>(Ecco), a Barnes &amp; Noble Discover Great New Writers selection, winner of the Crawford Fantasy Award, and finalist for the Mythopoeic Award, and is the co-editor of the forthcoming multi-genre anthology <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530902155&sr=1-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America?</a> (Temple University Press) Her stories and essays have appeared in, or are forthcoming from, <em>Asimov’s, Electric Literature, The Magazine of Fantasy &amp; Science Fiction, The Rumpus,</em> and <em>Vol. 1 Brooklyn</em>. She lives outside Philadelphia with her family.</p><p>Special Guest: Stephanie Feldman.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stephanie Feldman. She co-edited <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak For America?</a>, with Nathaniel Popkin. The editors and contributors to <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America? </a>are passionate and justifiably angry voices providing a literary response to today’s political crisis.  Inspired by and drawing from the work of writers who participated in nationwide Writers Resist events in January 2017, this volume provides a collection of poems, stories, essays, and cartoons that wrestle with the meaning of America and American identity. The contributions—from established figures including Eileen Myles, Melissa Febos, Jericho Brown, and Madeleine Thien, as well as rising new voices, such as Carmen Maria Machado, Ganzeer, and Liana Finck—confront a country beset by racial injustice, poverty, misogyny, and violence. </p>

<p>Contributions reflect on the terror of the first days after the 2016 Presidential election, but range well beyond it to interrogate the past and imagine possible American futures. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514208101&sr=8-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America?</a> inspires readers by emphasizing the power of patience, organizing, resilience and community. These moving works advance the conversation the American colonists began, and that generations of activists, in their efforts to perfect our union, have elevated and amplified.</p>

<p>Stephanie Feldman is the author of the novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Angel-Losses-Novel-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/0062228919/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1530902123&sr=8-1&keywords=the+angel+of+losses" rel="nofollow">The Angel of Losses </a>(Ecco), a Barnes &amp; Noble Discover Great New Writers selection, winner of the Crawford Fantasy Award, and finalist for the Mythopoeic Award, and is the co-editor of the forthcoming multi-genre anthology <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Will-Speak-America-Stephanie-Feldman/dp/1439916241/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530902155&sr=1-1&keywords=who+will+speak+for+america" rel="nofollow">Who Will Speak for America?</a> (Temple University Press) Her stories and essays have appeared in, or are forthcoming from, <em>Asimov’s, Electric Literature, The Magazine of Fantasy &amp; Science Fiction, The Rumpus,</em> and <em>Vol. 1 Brooklyn</em>. She lives outside Philadelphia with her family.</p><p>Special Guest: Stephanie Feldman.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 109: God, Improv and the Art of Living, with MaryAnn McKibben Dana</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is MaryAnn McKibben Dana. Her newest book is "God, Improv and the Art of Living." In it she blends Scripture, psychology, theology, and pop culture in a wise, funny, down-to-earth guide to improv as a practice for life. Offering concrete spiritual wisdom in the form of seven improvi­sational principles, this book will help readers become more awake, creative, resilient, and ready to play--even (and perhaps especially) when life doesn't go according to plan.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:26</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is MaryAnn McKibben Dana. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Improv-Living-MaryAnn-McKibben-Dana/dp/0802874649/" rel="nofollow">God, Improv and the Art of Living</a>. In it she blends Scripture, psychology, theology, and pop culture in a wise, funny, down-to-earth guide to improv as a practice for life. Offering concrete spiritual wisdom in the form of seven improvi­sational principles, this book will help readers become more awake, creative, resilient, and ready to play--even (and perhaps especially) when life doesn&#39;t go according to plan.</p>

<p>&quot;We are all improvisers,&quot; says McKibben Dana, &quot;whether we realize it or not. We improvise in order to get through the day. We improvise when life surprises us. We do it without even thinking about it. This book will help you do it better.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: MaryAnn McKibben Dana.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is MaryAnn McKibben Dana. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Improv-Living-MaryAnn-McKibben-Dana/dp/0802874649/" rel="nofollow">God, Improv and the Art of Living</a>. In it she blends Scripture, psychology, theology, and pop culture in a wise, funny, down-to-earth guide to improv as a practice for life. Offering concrete spiritual wisdom in the form of seven improvi­sational principles, this book will help readers become more awake, creative, resilient, and ready to play--even (and perhaps especially) when life doesn&#39;t go according to plan.</p>

<p>&quot;We are all improvisers,&quot; says McKibben Dana, &quot;whether we realize it or not. We improvise in order to get through the day. We improvise when life surprises us. We do it without even thinking about it. This book will help you do it better.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: MaryAnn McKibben Dana.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is MaryAnn McKibben Dana. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Improv-Living-MaryAnn-McKibben-Dana/dp/0802874649/" rel="nofollow">God, Improv and the Art of Living</a>. In it she blends Scripture, psychology, theology, and pop culture in a wise, funny, down-to-earth guide to improv as a practice for life. Offering concrete spiritual wisdom in the form of seven improvi­sational principles, this book will help readers become more awake, creative, resilient, and ready to play--even (and perhaps especially) when life doesn&#39;t go according to plan.</p>

<p>&quot;We are all improvisers,&quot; says McKibben Dana, &quot;whether we realize it or not. We improvise in order to get through the day. We improvise when life surprises us. We do it without even thinking about it. This book will help you do it better.&quot;</p><p>Special Guest: MaryAnn McKibben Dana.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 108: Vanishing Frontiers: The Forces Driving Mexico and the United States Together, with Andrew Selee</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2018 14:45:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Andrew Selee. In his new book, "Vanishing Frontiers: The Forces Driving Mexico and the United States Together", he argues that there may be no story today with a wider gap between fact and fiction than the relationship between the United States and Mexico. Wall or no wall, deeply intertwined social, economic, business, cultural, and personal relationships mean the US-Mexico border is more like a seam than a barrier, weaving together two economies and cultures.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:47</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Andrew Selee. In his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-Frontiers-Forces-Driving-Together/dp/1610398599" rel="nofollow">Vanishing Frontiers: The Forces Driving Mexico and the United States Together</a>, he argues that there may be no story today with a wider gap between fact and fiction than the relationship between the United States and Mexico. Wall or no wall, deeply intertwined social, economic, business, cultural, and personal relationships mean the US-Mexico border is more like a seam than a barrier, weaving together two economies and cultures.</p>

<p>Mexico faces huge crime and corruption problems, but its remarkable transformation over the past two decades has made it a more educated, prosperous, and innovative nation than most Americans realize. Through portraits of business leaders, migrants, chefs, movie directors, police officers, and media and sports executives, Andrew Selee looks at this emerging Mexico, showing how it increasingly influences our daily lives in the United States in surprising ways--the jobs we do, the goods we consume, and even the new technology and entertainment we enjoy.</p>

<p>From the Mexican entrepreneur in Missouri who saved the US nail industry, to the city leaders who were visionary enough to build a bridge over the border fence so the people of San Diego and Tijuana could share a single international airport, to the connections between innovators in Mexico&#39;s emerging tech hub in Guadalajara and those in Silicon Valley, Mexicans and Americans together have been creating productive connections that now blur the boundaries that once separated us from each other.</p>

<p>Andrew Selee is president of the Migration Policy Institute and former executive vice president of the Woodrow Wilson Center, where he founded and directed its Mexico Institute. For five years in the 1990s he lived in a shantytown in Tijuana, Mexico, helping to start a community center and home for migrant youth. In the quarter-century since, he has witnessed firsthand the dramatic transformation of this city specifically and the country as a whole. Dr. Selee writes a regular column for Mexico&#39;s largest newspaper and has written op-eds for the <em>Wall Street Journal</em>, <em>Washington Post</em>, and <em>Los Angeles Times</em>.</p><p>Special Guest: Andrew Selee.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Andrew Selee. In his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-Frontiers-Forces-Driving-Together/dp/1610398599" rel="nofollow">Vanishing Frontiers: The Forces Driving Mexico and the United States Together</a>, he argues that there may be no story today with a wider gap between fact and fiction than the relationship between the United States and Mexico. Wall or no wall, deeply intertwined social, economic, business, cultural, and personal relationships mean the US-Mexico border is more like a seam than a barrier, weaving together two economies and cultures.</p>

<p>Mexico faces huge crime and corruption problems, but its remarkable transformation over the past two decades has made it a more educated, prosperous, and innovative nation than most Americans realize. Through portraits of business leaders, migrants, chefs, movie directors, police officers, and media and sports executives, Andrew Selee looks at this emerging Mexico, showing how it increasingly influences our daily lives in the United States in surprising ways--the jobs we do, the goods we consume, and even the new technology and entertainment we enjoy.</p>

<p>From the Mexican entrepreneur in Missouri who saved the US nail industry, to the city leaders who were visionary enough to build a bridge over the border fence so the people of San Diego and Tijuana could share a single international airport, to the connections between innovators in Mexico&#39;s emerging tech hub in Guadalajara and those in Silicon Valley, Mexicans and Americans together have been creating productive connections that now blur the boundaries that once separated us from each other.</p>

<p>Andrew Selee is president of the Migration Policy Institute and former executive vice president of the Woodrow Wilson Center, where he founded and directed its Mexico Institute. For five years in the 1990s he lived in a shantytown in Tijuana, Mexico, helping to start a community center and home for migrant youth. In the quarter-century since, he has witnessed firsthand the dramatic transformation of this city specifically and the country as a whole. Dr. Selee writes a regular column for Mexico&#39;s largest newspaper and has written op-eds for the <em>Wall Street Journal</em>, <em>Washington Post</em>, and <em>Los Angeles Times</em>.</p><p>Special Guest: Andrew Selee.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Andrew Selee. In his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-Frontiers-Forces-Driving-Together/dp/1610398599" rel="nofollow">Vanishing Frontiers: The Forces Driving Mexico and the United States Together</a>, he argues that there may be no story today with a wider gap between fact and fiction than the relationship between the United States and Mexico. Wall or no wall, deeply intertwined social, economic, business, cultural, and personal relationships mean the US-Mexico border is more like a seam than a barrier, weaving together two economies and cultures.</p>

<p>Mexico faces huge crime and corruption problems, but its remarkable transformation over the past two decades has made it a more educated, prosperous, and innovative nation than most Americans realize. Through portraits of business leaders, migrants, chefs, movie directors, police officers, and media and sports executives, Andrew Selee looks at this emerging Mexico, showing how it increasingly influences our daily lives in the United States in surprising ways--the jobs we do, the goods we consume, and even the new technology and entertainment we enjoy.</p>

<p>From the Mexican entrepreneur in Missouri who saved the US nail industry, to the city leaders who were visionary enough to build a bridge over the border fence so the people of San Diego and Tijuana could share a single international airport, to the connections between innovators in Mexico&#39;s emerging tech hub in Guadalajara and those in Silicon Valley, Mexicans and Americans together have been creating productive connections that now blur the boundaries that once separated us from each other.</p>

<p>Andrew Selee is president of the Migration Policy Institute and former executive vice president of the Woodrow Wilson Center, where he founded and directed its Mexico Institute. For five years in the 1990s he lived in a shantytown in Tijuana, Mexico, helping to start a community center and home for migrant youth. In the quarter-century since, he has witnessed firsthand the dramatic transformation of this city specifically and the country as a whole. Dr. Selee writes a regular column for Mexico&#39;s largest newspaper and has written op-eds for the <em>Wall Street Journal</em>, <em>Washington Post</em>, and <em>Los Angeles Times</em>.</p><p>Special Guest: Andrew Selee.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 107: Vodka Is Vegan: A Vegan Bros Manifesto for Better Living and Not Being an A**hole, with Matt &amp; Phil Letten</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2018 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are Matt &amp; Phil Letten. Think you could never go vegan? They beg to differ. As this smart, funny and persuasive manifesto makes clear, you're already 90% vegan anyway. That's right--you already love animals and are slowly but surely eating less meat than you used to. With the insider tips and inspiring stories in this book, you'll be ready to go whole hog (see what they did there?) and eat vegan for good. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>52:18</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Think you could never go vegan? Think again.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vodka-Vegan-Manifesto-Better-Living/dp/0143129732/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow"> As this smart, funny and persuasive manifesto </a>makes clear, you&#39;re already 90% vegan anyway. That&#39;s right--you already love animals and are slowly but surely eating less meat than you used to. With the insider tips and inspiring stories in this book, you&#39;ll be ready to go whole hog (see what we did there?) and eat vegan for good. With a loyal online following that’s growing fast, the Bros are the new face of veganism--loud, proud, and fighting for a better world, one plate at a time.</p><p>Special Guest: Matt &amp; Phil Letten, &quot;The Vegan Bros&quot;.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Think you could never go vegan? Think again.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vodka-Vegan-Manifesto-Better-Living/dp/0143129732/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow"> As this smart, funny and persuasive manifesto </a>makes clear, you&#39;re already 90% vegan anyway. That&#39;s right--you already love animals and are slowly but surely eating less meat than you used to. With the insider tips and inspiring stories in this book, you&#39;ll be ready to go whole hog (see what we did there?) and eat vegan for good. With a loyal online following that’s growing fast, the Bros are the new face of veganism--loud, proud, and fighting for a better world, one plate at a time.</p><p>Special Guest: Matt &amp; Phil Letten, &quot;The Vegan Bros&quot;.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Think you could never go vegan? Think again.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Vodka-Vegan-Manifesto-Better-Living/dp/0143129732/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=" rel="nofollow"> As this smart, funny and persuasive manifesto </a>makes clear, you&#39;re already 90% vegan anyway. That&#39;s right--you already love animals and are slowly but surely eating less meat than you used to. With the insider tips and inspiring stories in this book, you&#39;ll be ready to go whole hog (see what we did there?) and eat vegan for good. With a loyal online following that’s growing fast, the Bros are the new face of veganism--loud, proud, and fighting for a better world, one plate at a time.</p><p>Special Guest: Matt &amp; Phil Letten, &quot;The Vegan Bros&quot;.</p>]]>
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      <title>Off the Clock: Feel Less Busy While Getting More Done, with Laura Vanderkam</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Laura Vanderkam. She is the the acclaimed author of "What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast." She isn’t like other time-management gurus. She’s not trying to shave off 30 seconds here or there; she’s interested in the emotional and psychological side of the 168 hours everyone has each week. Her newest book is "Off the Clock: Feel Less Busy While Getting More Done." Her core message is that you have more time than you think you do, and you can feel less stressed while getting more done.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Vanderkam. She is the the acclaimed author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Successful-People-Before-Breakfast-Mornings-ebook/dp/B007K3E2YK" rel="nofollow">What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast</a>. She isn’t like other time-management gurus. She’s not trying to shave off 30 seconds here or there; she’s interested in the emotional and psychological side of the 168 hours everyone has each week. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Off-Clock-Feel-While-Getting/dp/0735219818/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">Off the Clock: Feel Less Busy While Getting More Done</a>. Her core message is that you have more time than you think you do, and you can feel less stressed while getting more done. Vanderkam has packed this book with insights from busy yet relaxed professionals, including “time makeovers” of people who are learning how to use these tools.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Off-Clock-Feel-While-Getting/dp/0735219818/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow"> Off the Clock</a> can inspire the rest of us to create lives that are not only productive, but enjoyable in the moment.</p><p>Special Guest: Laura Vanderkam .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Laura Vanderkam. She is the the acclaimed author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Successful-People-Before-Breakfast-Mornings-ebook/dp/B007K3E2YK" rel="nofollow">What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast</a>. She isn’t like other time-management gurus. She’s not trying to shave off 30 seconds here or there; she’s interested in the emotional and psychological side of the 168 hours everyone has each week. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Off-Clock-Feel-While-Getting/dp/0735219818/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">Off the Clock: Feel Less Busy While Getting More Done</a>. Her core message is that you have more time than you think you do, and you can feel less stressed while getting more done. Vanderkam has packed this book with insights from busy yet relaxed professionals, including “time makeovers” of people who are learning how to use these tools.<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Off-Clock-Feel-While-Getting/dp/0735219818/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow"> Off the Clock</a> can inspire the rest of us to create lives that are not only productive, but enjoyable in the moment.</p><p>Special Guest: Laura Vanderkam .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 105: Gravity Leadership, with Matt Tebbe</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2018 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Matt Tebbe. He co-founded Gravity Leadership, and is planting a church, The Table Indy, in the northeast suburbs of Indianapolis. He also co-hosts the Gravity Leadership podcast. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:52</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Matt Tebbe. He co-founded <a href="https://gravityleadership.com" rel="nofollow">Gravity Leadership</a>, and is planting a church, <a href="https://www.thetableindy.org" rel="nofollow">The Table Indy</a>, in the northeast suburbs of Indianapolis. He also co-hosts the<a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/gravity-leadership-podcast/id1356585852" rel="nofollow"> Gravity Leadership podcast</a>. </p><p>Special Guest: Matt Tebbe.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 104: My Jesus Year: A Rabbi's Son Wanders the Bible Belt in Search of His Own Faith, with Benyamin Cohen </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. His book "My Jesus Year: A Rabbi's Son Wanders the Bible Belt in Search of His Own Faith" is part memoir, part spiritual quest, part anthropologist’s mission. It's a humorous, personal, ultimately inspirational exploration of Christianity by the son of an Orthodox Rabbi on his journey through America's Bible belt.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. His book<a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Jesus-Year-Rabbis-Wanders/dp/0061245186" rel="nofollow"> My Jesus Year: A Rabbi&#39;s Son Wanders the Bible Belt in Search of His Own Faith</a> is part memoir, part spiritual quest, part anthropologist’s mission. It&#39;s a humorous, personal, ultimately inspirational exploration of Christianity by the son of an Orthodox Rabbi on his journey through America&#39;s Bible belt.</p>

<p>Benyamin Cohen is Editorial Director of <a href="https://www.fromthegrapevine.com" rel="nofollow">From the Grapevine</a>. He has written for The Washington Post, The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, Yahoo News and Slate. His new podcast, <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/our-friend-from-israel/id1377345487" rel="nofollow">Our Friend From Israel</a>, recently launched its debut episode.</p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. His book<a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Jesus-Year-Rabbis-Wanders/dp/0061245186" rel="nofollow"> My Jesus Year: A Rabbi&#39;s Son Wanders the Bible Belt in Search of His Own Faith</a> is part memoir, part spiritual quest, part anthropologist’s mission. It&#39;s a humorous, personal, ultimately inspirational exploration of Christianity by the son of an Orthodox Rabbi on his journey through America&#39;s Bible belt.</p>

<p>Benyamin Cohen is Editorial Director of <a href="https://www.fromthegrapevine.com" rel="nofollow">From the Grapevine</a>. He has written for The Washington Post, The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, Yahoo News and Slate. His new podcast, <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/our-friend-from-israel/id1377345487" rel="nofollow">Our Friend From Israel</a>, recently launched its debut episode.</p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Benyamin Cohen. His book<a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Jesus-Year-Rabbis-Wanders/dp/0061245186" rel="nofollow"> My Jesus Year: A Rabbi&#39;s Son Wanders the Bible Belt in Search of His Own Faith</a> is part memoir, part spiritual quest, part anthropologist’s mission. It&#39;s a humorous, personal, ultimately inspirational exploration of Christianity by the son of an Orthodox Rabbi on his journey through America&#39;s Bible belt.</p>

<p>Benyamin Cohen is Editorial Director of <a href="https://www.fromthegrapevine.com" rel="nofollow">From the Grapevine</a>. He has written for The Washington Post, The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, Yahoo News and Slate. His new podcast, <a href="https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/our-friend-from-israel/id1377345487" rel="nofollow">Our Friend From Israel</a>, recently launched its debut episode.</p><p>Special Guest: Benyamin Cohen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 103: Everything Is Borrowed, with Nathaniel Popkin</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2018 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Nathaniel Popkin is a writer, editor, historian, journalist, and the author of five books, including his most recent novel "Everything is Borrowed." A meditation on cruelty and regret, a mesmerizing tour of a city through time, and an evocative portrait of radical Jewish life of another age.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>58:27</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nathaniel Popkin is a writer, editor, historian, journalist, and the author of five books, including his most recent novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Borrowed-Nathaniel-Popkin/dp/099955011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526668316&sr=8-1&keywords=everything+is+borrowed&dpID=51FTGgoH8OL&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=srch" rel="nofollow">Everything is Borrowed</a>. A meditation on cruelty and regret, a mesmerizing tour of a city through time, and an evocative portrait of radical Jewish life of another age.</p>

<p>In Everything is Borrowed, acclaimed architect Nicholas Moscowitz lands a major commission, but his drive suddenly falters. The site of the new project awakens guilty memories, and when he digs into the place’s history, he uncovers a 19th-century Moskowitz whose life offers strange parallels to his own. As Nicholas grows obsessed with this shadow man, the dual narratives of Moskowitz and Moscowitz, the city’s past and present, blend in unexpected and poignant ways. Ultimately Nicholas must face certain truths that don’t change over time—and use them to rebuild his own life.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nathaniel Popkin is a writer, editor, historian, journalist, and the author of five books, including his most recent novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Borrowed-Nathaniel-Popkin/dp/099955011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526668316&sr=8-1&keywords=everything+is+borrowed&dpID=51FTGgoH8OL&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=srch" rel="nofollow">Everything is Borrowed</a>. A meditation on cruelty and regret, a mesmerizing tour of a city through time, and an evocative portrait of radical Jewish life of another age.</p>

<p>In Everything is Borrowed, acclaimed architect Nicholas Moscowitz lands a major commission, but his drive suddenly falters. The site of the new project awakens guilty memories, and when he digs into the place’s history, he uncovers a 19th-century Moskowitz whose life offers strange parallels to his own. As Nicholas grows obsessed with this shadow man, the dual narratives of Moskowitz and Moscowitz, the city’s past and present, blend in unexpected and poignant ways. Ultimately Nicholas must face certain truths that don’t change over time—and use them to rebuild his own life.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Nathaniel Popkin is a writer, editor, historian, journalist, and the author of five books, including his most recent novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Borrowed-Nathaniel-Popkin/dp/099955011X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526668316&sr=8-1&keywords=everything+is+borrowed&dpID=51FTGgoH8OL&preST=_SY344_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=srch" rel="nofollow">Everything is Borrowed</a>. A meditation on cruelty and regret, a mesmerizing tour of a city through time, and an evocative portrait of radical Jewish life of another age.</p>

<p>In Everything is Borrowed, acclaimed architect Nicholas Moscowitz lands a major commission, but his drive suddenly falters. The site of the new project awakens guilty memories, and when he digs into the place’s history, he uncovers a 19th-century Moskowitz whose life offers strange parallels to his own. As Nicholas grows obsessed with this shadow man, the dual narratives of Moskowitz and Moscowitz, the city’s past and present, blend in unexpected and poignant ways. Ultimately Nicholas must face certain truths that don’t change over time—and use them to rebuild his own life.</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 102: To Lose the Madness: Field Notes on Trauma, Loss and Radical Authenticity, with L.M. Browning</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2018 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is L.M. Browning. In her career-defining work, "To Lose the Madness: Field Notes on Trauma, Loss and Radical Authenticity", Browning explores the breaking point every mind has after finding her own limit during a gauntlet of traumatic events.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>41:38</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is L.M. Browning. In her career-defining work, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lose-Madness-Trauma-Radical-Authenticity/dp/1947003909" rel="nofollow">To Lose the Madness: Field Notes on Trauma, Loss and Radical Authenticity</a>, Browning explores the breaking point every mind has after finding her own limit during a gauntlet of traumatic events.Pulled out of this blast-crater moment in her life by a friend, she is brought away from the insanity and deep into the snowy Sangre de Cristo Mountains where, standing in front of a herd of wild buffalo, she comes face to face with the terms we all must come to surrounding the loss we face in this life. Offering no answers and seeking no pity, Browning lays herself bare in this radically authentic offering. She carries restricted subjects such as miscarriage, mental illness, and suicide out of the silence by offering her own private journey as an example of the power of transcendence.</p><p>Special Guest: L.M. Browning.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is L.M. Browning. In her career-defining work, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lose-Madness-Trauma-Radical-Authenticity/dp/1947003909" rel="nofollow">To Lose the Madness: Field Notes on Trauma, Loss and Radical Authenticity</a>, Browning explores the breaking point every mind has after finding her own limit during a gauntlet of traumatic events.Pulled out of this blast-crater moment in her life by a friend, she is brought away from the insanity and deep into the snowy Sangre de Cristo Mountains where, standing in front of a herd of wild buffalo, she comes face to face with the terms we all must come to surrounding the loss we face in this life. Offering no answers and seeking no pity, Browning lays herself bare in this radically authentic offering. She carries restricted subjects such as miscarriage, mental illness, and suicide out of the silence by offering her own private journey as an example of the power of transcendence.</p><p>Special Guest: L.M. Browning.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is L.M. Browning. In her career-defining work, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Lose-Madness-Trauma-Radical-Authenticity/dp/1947003909" rel="nofollow">To Lose the Madness: Field Notes on Trauma, Loss and Radical Authenticity</a>, Browning explores the breaking point every mind has after finding her own limit during a gauntlet of traumatic events.Pulled out of this blast-crater moment in her life by a friend, she is brought away from the insanity and deep into the snowy Sangre de Cristo Mountains where, standing in front of a herd of wild buffalo, she comes face to face with the terms we all must come to surrounding the loss we face in this life. Offering no answers and seeking no pity, Browning lays herself bare in this radically authentic offering. She carries restricted subjects such as miscarriage, mental illness, and suicide out of the silence by offering her own private journey as an example of the power of transcendence.</p><p>Special Guest: L.M. Browning.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 101: Christian Hospitality and Muslim Immigration in an Age of Fear, with Matthew Kaemingk</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2018 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Matthew Kaemingk. His most recent book is "Christian Hospitality and Muslim Immigration in an Age of Fear."  In it he offers a thought-provoking Christian perspective on the growing debates over Muslim presence in the West. Rejecting both fearful nationalism and romantic multiculturalism, Kaemingk makes the case for a third way—a Christian pluralism that is committed to both the historic Christian faith and the public rights, dignity, and freedom of Islam. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>47:30</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Matthew Kaemingk. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Hospitality-Muslim-Immigration-Fear/dp/0802874584" rel="nofollow">Christian Hospitality and Muslim Immigration in an Age of Fear</a>.  In it he offers a thought-provoking Christian perspective on the growing debates over Muslim presence in the West. Rejecting both fearful nationalism and romantic multiculturalism, Kaemingk makes the case for a third way—a Christian pluralism that is committed to both the historic Christian faith and the public rights, dignity, and freedom of Islam.</p>

<p>Rev. Dr. Matthew Kaemingk is assistant professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary. Matthew&#39;s research focuses on Islam and political ethics, workplace theology, theology and culture, and Reformed public theology. Matthew earned his Master of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary and holds doctoral degrees in Systematic Theology from the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam and in Christian Ethics from Fuller Theological Seminary. As a Fulbright Scholar in Amsterdam, Matthew studied political theology and the European conflict over Muslim immigration.</p><p>Special Guest: Matthew Kaemingk.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Matthew Kaemingk. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Hospitality-Muslim-Immigration-Fear/dp/0802874584" rel="nofollow">Christian Hospitality and Muslim Immigration in an Age of Fear</a>.  In it he offers a thought-provoking Christian perspective on the growing debates over Muslim presence in the West. Rejecting both fearful nationalism and romantic multiculturalism, Kaemingk makes the case for a third way—a Christian pluralism that is committed to both the historic Christian faith and the public rights, dignity, and freedom of Islam.</p>

<p>Rev. Dr. Matthew Kaemingk is assistant professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary. Matthew&#39;s research focuses on Islam and political ethics, workplace theology, theology and culture, and Reformed public theology. Matthew earned his Master of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary and holds doctoral degrees in Systematic Theology from the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam and in Christian Ethics from Fuller Theological Seminary. As a Fulbright Scholar in Amsterdam, Matthew studied political theology and the European conflict over Muslim immigration.</p><p>Special Guest: Matthew Kaemingk.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Matthew Kaemingk. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Hospitality-Muslim-Immigration-Fear/dp/0802874584" rel="nofollow">Christian Hospitality and Muslim Immigration in an Age of Fear</a>.  In it he offers a thought-provoking Christian perspective on the growing debates over Muslim presence in the West. Rejecting both fearful nationalism and romantic multiculturalism, Kaemingk makes the case for a third way—a Christian pluralism that is committed to both the historic Christian faith and the public rights, dignity, and freedom of Islam.</p>

<p>Rev. Dr. Matthew Kaemingk is assistant professor of Christian Ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary. Matthew&#39;s research focuses on Islam and political ethics, workplace theology, theology and culture, and Reformed public theology. Matthew earned his Master of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary and holds doctoral degrees in Systematic Theology from the Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam and in Christian Ethics from Fuller Theological Seminary. As a Fulbright Scholar in Amsterdam, Matthew studied political theology and the European conflict over Muslim immigration.</p><p>Special Guest: Matthew Kaemingk.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 99: The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey To Healthy Relationships, with Suzanne Stabile</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Suzanne Stabile. Her newest book is "The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey To Healthy Relationships." This book on the nine Enneagram types and how they behave and experience relationships will guide readers into deeper insights about themselves, their types, and others' personalities so that they can have healthier, more life-giving relationships.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>51:41</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Suzanne Stabile. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Path-Between-Us-Enneagram-Relationships/dp/0830846425" rel="nofollow">The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey To Healthy Relationships</a>. This book on the nine Enneagram types and how they behave and experience relationships will guide readers into deeper insights about themselves, their types, and others&#39; personalities so that they can have healthier, more life-giving relationships.</p>

<p>Most of us have no idea how others see or process their experiences. And that can make relationships hard, whether with intimate partners, with friends, or in our professional lives. Understanding the motivations and dynamics of these different personality types can be the key that unlocks sometimes mystifying behavior in others—and in ourselves. Suzanne&#39;s generous, sometimes humorous, and always insightful approach reveals why all the types behave as they do. This book offers help in fostering more loving, mature, and compassionate relationships with everyone in our lives.</p><p>Special Guest: Suzanne Stabile .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Suzanne Stabile. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Path-Between-Us-Enneagram-Relationships/dp/0830846425" rel="nofollow">The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey To Healthy Relationships</a>. This book on the nine Enneagram types and how they behave and experience relationships will guide readers into deeper insights about themselves, their types, and others&#39; personalities so that they can have healthier, more life-giving relationships.</p>

<p>Most of us have no idea how others see or process their experiences. And that can make relationships hard, whether with intimate partners, with friends, or in our professional lives. Understanding the motivations and dynamics of these different personality types can be the key that unlocks sometimes mystifying behavior in others—and in ourselves. Suzanne&#39;s generous, sometimes humorous, and always insightful approach reveals why all the types behave as they do. This book offers help in fostering more loving, mature, and compassionate relationships with everyone in our lives.</p><p>Special Guest: Suzanne Stabile .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Suzanne Stabile. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Path-Between-Us-Enneagram-Relationships/dp/0830846425" rel="nofollow">The Path Between Us: An Enneagram Journey To Healthy Relationships</a>. This book on the nine Enneagram types and how they behave and experience relationships will guide readers into deeper insights about themselves, their types, and others&#39; personalities so that they can have healthier, more life-giving relationships.</p>

<p>Most of us have no idea how others see or process their experiences. And that can make relationships hard, whether with intimate partners, with friends, or in our professional lives. Understanding the motivations and dynamics of these different personality types can be the key that unlocks sometimes mystifying behavior in others—and in ourselves. Suzanne&#39;s generous, sometimes humorous, and always insightful approach reveals why all the types behave as they do. This book offers help in fostering more loving, mature, and compassionate relationships with everyone in our lives.</p><p>Special Guest: Suzanne Stabile .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 98: Portrait of an Unreasonable Man, with Michèle Gerber Klein</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2018 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Michèle Gerber Klein. Michèle is a philanthropist, collector and author whose topics are fame, fashion and art. Her first book is Charles James: Portrait of An Unreasonable Man, a biography of the iconic and controversial designer Charles James, published by Rizzoli ex Libris.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:06</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michèle Gerber Klein. Michèle is a philanthropist, collector and author whose topics are fame, fashion and art. Her first book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847861457/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0847861457&linkCode=as2&tag=kittymunson&linkId=3a86c426ea928a2bda206a9f10e60527" rel="nofollow">Charles James: Portrait of An Unreasonable Man</a>, a biography of the iconic and controversial designer Charles James, published by <a href="http://www.rizzoliusa.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow">Rizzoli ex Libris</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Michèle Gerber Klein.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michèle Gerber Klein. Michèle is a philanthropist, collector and author whose topics are fame, fashion and art. Her first book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847861457/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0847861457&linkCode=as2&tag=kittymunson&linkId=3a86c426ea928a2bda206a9f10e60527" rel="nofollow">Charles James: Portrait of An Unreasonable Man</a>, a biography of the iconic and controversial designer Charles James, published by <a href="http://www.rizzoliusa.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow">Rizzoli ex Libris</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Michèle Gerber Klein.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Michèle Gerber Klein. Michèle is a philanthropist, collector and author whose topics are fame, fashion and art. Her first book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847861457/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0847861457&linkCode=as2&tag=kittymunson&linkId=3a86c426ea928a2bda206a9f10e60527" rel="nofollow">Charles James: Portrait of An Unreasonable Man</a>, a biography of the iconic and controversial designer Charles James, published by <a href="http://www.rizzoliusa.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow">Rizzoli ex Libris</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Michèle Gerber Klein.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 97: Sexy: The Quest for Erotic Virtue in Perplexing Times, with Jeff Mallinson</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jeff Mallinson. Jeff is Associate Professor of Theology and Philosophy at Concordia University, Irvine, a 1517 Thinking Fellow, and Co-Host of the Virtue in the Wasteland podcast. His newest book is "Sexy: The Quest for Erotic Virtue in Perplexing Times." In it he asks what would happen if we reframed contemporary conversations about sexuality altogether? Instead of focusing on taboos, boundaries, and rules of sexual engagement, what if we let holy desire seduce people back to erotic virtue?</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:00:56</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jeff Mallinson. Jeff is Associate Professor of Theology and Philosophy at Concordia University, Irvine, a 1517 Thinking Fellow, and Co-Host of the Virtue in the Wasteland podcast. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Sexy-Quest-Erotic-Virtue-Perplexing/dp/1945500794" rel="nofollow">Sexy: The Quest for Erotic Virtue in Perplexing Times.</a> In it he asks what would happen if we reframed contemporary conversations about sexuality altogether? Instead of focusing on taboos, boundaries, and rules of sexual engagement, what if we let holy desire seduce people back to erotic virtue?</p><p>Special Guest: Jeff Mallinson.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 96: Martin Luther's Theology of Beauty, with Mark C. Mattes</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Mark C. Mattes (PhD, University of Chicago) is professor of philosophy and religion at Grand View University in Des Moines, Iowa. His newest book is "Martin Luther's Theology of Beauty: A Reappraisal." Many contemporary theologians seek to retrieve the concept of beauty as a way for people to encounter God. In this volume, one of today's leading Lutheran theologians argues that while Martin Luther's view of beauty has often been ignored or underappreciated, it has much to contribute to that quest.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:12</itunes:duration>
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<p>This groundbreaking book is the first extensive study on Luther&#39;s theological aesthetics. Contrary to the common misconception that Luther rejected beauty as a theological essential, Mark Mattes shows that the concept of beauty is actually a crucial theme for Luther&#39;s paradoxical understanding of justification by grace alone through faith alone. Christ &quot;without form or comeliness&quot; is God&#39;s gift of mercy to troubled sinners, so Christ is beautiful in God&#39;s estimation. Likewise, Christ is desirable for sinners seeking relief and liberation from the law&#39;s unrelenting accusations and from the enslavement of sin, death, and the devil. The new birth alters the human senses, opening them to discern and appreciate beauty as God has implanted it in the world. Mattes shows that Luther affirms music and visual imagery as human expressions of beauty and discusses the implications of Luther&#39;s aesthetics for music, art, and the contemplative life. The author explains that for Luther, the cross is the lens through which the beauty of God is refracted into the world. Mattes also puts Luther&#39;s view of beauty in opposition to some key contemporary theologians.</p><p>Special Guest: Mark C. Mattes.</p>]]>
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<p>This groundbreaking book is the first extensive study on Luther&#39;s theological aesthetics. Contrary to the common misconception that Luther rejected beauty as a theological essential, Mark Mattes shows that the concept of beauty is actually a crucial theme for Luther&#39;s paradoxical understanding of justification by grace alone through faith alone. Christ &quot;without form or comeliness&quot; is God&#39;s gift of mercy to troubled sinners, so Christ is beautiful in God&#39;s estimation. Likewise, Christ is desirable for sinners seeking relief and liberation from the law&#39;s unrelenting accusations and from the enslavement of sin, death, and the devil. The new birth alters the human senses, opening them to discern and appreciate beauty as God has implanted it in the world. Mattes shows that Luther affirms music and visual imagery as human expressions of beauty and discusses the implications of Luther&#39;s aesthetics for music, art, and the contemplative life. The author explains that for Luther, the cross is the lens through which the beauty of God is refracted into the world. Mattes also puts Luther&#39;s view of beauty in opposition to some key contemporary theologians.</p><p>Special Guest: Mark C. Mattes.</p>]]>
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<p>This groundbreaking book is the first extensive study on Luther&#39;s theological aesthetics. Contrary to the common misconception that Luther rejected beauty as a theological essential, Mark Mattes shows that the concept of beauty is actually a crucial theme for Luther&#39;s paradoxical understanding of justification by grace alone through faith alone. Christ &quot;without form or comeliness&quot; is God&#39;s gift of mercy to troubled sinners, so Christ is beautiful in God&#39;s estimation. Likewise, Christ is desirable for sinners seeking relief and liberation from the law&#39;s unrelenting accusations and from the enslavement of sin, death, and the devil. The new birth alters the human senses, opening them to discern and appreciate beauty as God has implanted it in the world. Mattes shows that Luther affirms music and visual imagery as human expressions of beauty and discusses the implications of Luther&#39;s aesthetics for music, art, and the contemplative life. The author explains that for Luther, the cross is the lens through which the beauty of God is refracted into the world. Mattes also puts Luther&#39;s view of beauty in opposition to some key contemporary theologians.</p><p>Special Guest: Mark C. Mattes.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 95: The Very Worst Missionary, with Jamie Wright</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2018 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jamie Wright. After finding her faith at a suburban megachurch, Jamie trades in the easy life on the cul-de-sac for the green fields of Costa Rica. There, along with her family, she earnestly hopes to serve God and change lives. But faced with a yawning culture gap and persistent shortcomings in herself and her fellow workers, she soon loses confidence in the missionary enterprise and falls into a funk of cynicism and despair.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>52:30</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jamie Wright. After finding her faith at a suburban megachurch, Jamie trades in the easy life on the cul-de-sac for the green fields of Costa Rica. There, along with her family, she earnestly hopes to serve God and change lives. But faced with a yawning culture gap and persistent shortcomings in herself and her fellow workers, she soon loses confidence in the missionary enterprise and falls into a funk of cynicism and despair.</p>

<p>Nearly paralyzed by depression, yet still wanting to make a difference, she decides to tell the whole, disenchanted truth: Missionaries suck and our work makes no sense at all! From her sofa in Central America, she launches a renegade blog, Jamie the Very Worst Missionary, and against all odds wins a large and passionate following. Which leads her to see that maybe a &quot;bad&quot; missionary--awkward, doubtful, and vocal—is exactly what the world and the throngs of American do-gooders need. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Very-Worst-Missionary-Memoir-Whatever/dp/0451496531" rel="nofollow">The Very Worst Missionary</a> is a disarming, ultimately inspiring spiritual memoir for well-intentioned contrarians everywhere. </p><p>Special Guest: Jamie Wright.</p>]]>
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<p>Nearly paralyzed by depression, yet still wanting to make a difference, she decides to tell the whole, disenchanted truth: Missionaries suck and our work makes no sense at all! From her sofa in Central America, she launches a renegade blog, Jamie the Very Worst Missionary, and against all odds wins a large and passionate following. Which leads her to see that maybe a &quot;bad&quot; missionary--awkward, doubtful, and vocal—is exactly what the world and the throngs of American do-gooders need. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Very-Worst-Missionary-Memoir-Whatever/dp/0451496531" rel="nofollow">The Very Worst Missionary</a> is a disarming, ultimately inspiring spiritual memoir for well-intentioned contrarians everywhere. </p><p>Special Guest: Jamie Wright.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jamie Wright. After finding her faith at a suburban megachurch, Jamie trades in the easy life on the cul-de-sac for the green fields of Costa Rica. There, along with her family, she earnestly hopes to serve God and change lives. But faced with a yawning culture gap and persistent shortcomings in herself and her fellow workers, she soon loses confidence in the missionary enterprise and falls into a funk of cynicism and despair.</p>

<p>Nearly paralyzed by depression, yet still wanting to make a difference, she decides to tell the whole, disenchanted truth: Missionaries suck and our work makes no sense at all! From her sofa in Central America, she launches a renegade blog, Jamie the Very Worst Missionary, and against all odds wins a large and passionate following. Which leads her to see that maybe a &quot;bad&quot; missionary--awkward, doubtful, and vocal—is exactly what the world and the throngs of American do-gooders need. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Very-Worst-Missionary-Memoir-Whatever/dp/0451496531" rel="nofollow">The Very Worst Missionary</a> is a disarming, ultimately inspiring spiritual memoir for well-intentioned contrarians everywhere. </p><p>Special Guest: Jamie Wright.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 94: My Old Faithful, with Yang Huang</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Yang Huang. Her debut novel "Living Treasures" won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her newest book is "My Old Faithful." Evoking both the drama of familial intimacy and the ups and downs of the everyday, "My Old Faithful" introduces readers to a close-knit Chinese family. These ten interconnected short stories, which take place in China and the United States over a thirty-year period, merge to paint a nuanced portrait of family life, full of pain, surprises, and subtle acts of courage. Richly textured narratives from the mother, the father, the son, and the daughters play out against the backdrop of China's social and economic change.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>48:50</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Yang Huang. Her debut novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0989596052/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0989596052&linkCode=as2&tag=yanghuang-20&linkId=6GI272MM2NPTA2H6" rel="nofollow">Living Treasures</a> won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Old-Faithful-Stories-Juniper/dp/1625343361/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">My Old Faithful.</a> Evoking both the drama of familial intimacy and the ups and downs of the everyday, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Old-Faithful-Stories-Juniper/dp/1625343361/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">My Old Faithful</a> introduces readers to a close-knit Chinese family. These ten interconnected short stories, which take place in China and the United States over a thirty-year period, merge to paint a nuanced portrait of family life, full of pain, surprises, and subtle acts of courage. Richly textured narratives from the mother, the father, the son, and the daughters play out against the backdrop of China&#39;s social and economic change.</p>

<p>With quiet humor and sharp insight into the ordinary, Yang Huang writes of a father who spanks his son out of love, a brother who betrays his sister, and a young woman who dares bring a brown man home to her conservative parents. She writes of an aging wife and the kindness she shows a young prostitute caught soliciting her husband; of a woman returning to China after many years to find her country changed in ways both expected and startling. This collection, by a writer who grew up in Jiangsu province and participated in the 1989 student uprisings, is remarkable in its sense of place and fidelity to lived human experience.</p>

<p>Yang Huang grew up in China and came to the U.S. to study computer science. While working as an engineer, she attended Boston College and earned an MFA from the University of Arizona. Her collection of linked family stories, My Old Faithful, won the Juniper Prize for Fiction. Her debut novel Living Treasures won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her essays, stories, and screenplay have appeared in Poets &amp; Writers, Literary Hub, The Margins, Eleven Eleven, Asian Pacific American Journal, The Evansville Review, Stories for Film, and others. She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and works for the University of California at Berkeley. To learn more about Yang and her writing, visit <a href="http://www.yanghuang.com" rel="nofollow">www.yanghuang.com</a> or follow her on Twitter: @yangwrites.</p><p>Special Guest: Yang Huang.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Yang Huang. Her debut novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0989596052/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0989596052&linkCode=as2&tag=yanghuang-20&linkId=6GI272MM2NPTA2H6" rel="nofollow">Living Treasures</a> won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Old-Faithful-Stories-Juniper/dp/1625343361/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">My Old Faithful.</a> Evoking both the drama of familial intimacy and the ups and downs of the everyday, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Old-Faithful-Stories-Juniper/dp/1625343361/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">My Old Faithful</a> introduces readers to a close-knit Chinese family. These ten interconnected short stories, which take place in China and the United States over a thirty-year period, merge to paint a nuanced portrait of family life, full of pain, surprises, and subtle acts of courage. Richly textured narratives from the mother, the father, the son, and the daughters play out against the backdrop of China&#39;s social and economic change.</p>

<p>With quiet humor and sharp insight into the ordinary, Yang Huang writes of a father who spanks his son out of love, a brother who betrays his sister, and a young woman who dares bring a brown man home to her conservative parents. She writes of an aging wife and the kindness she shows a young prostitute caught soliciting her husband; of a woman returning to China after many years to find her country changed in ways both expected and startling. This collection, by a writer who grew up in Jiangsu province and participated in the 1989 student uprisings, is remarkable in its sense of place and fidelity to lived human experience.</p>

<p>Yang Huang grew up in China and came to the U.S. to study computer science. While working as an engineer, she attended Boston College and earned an MFA from the University of Arizona. Her collection of linked family stories, My Old Faithful, won the Juniper Prize for Fiction. Her debut novel Living Treasures won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her essays, stories, and screenplay have appeared in Poets &amp; Writers, Literary Hub, The Margins, Eleven Eleven, Asian Pacific American Journal, The Evansville Review, Stories for Film, and others. She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and works for the University of California at Berkeley. To learn more about Yang and her writing, visit <a href="http://www.yanghuang.com" rel="nofollow">www.yanghuang.com</a> or follow her on Twitter: @yangwrites.</p><p>Special Guest: Yang Huang.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Yang Huang. Her debut novel <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0989596052/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0989596052&linkCode=as2&tag=yanghuang-20&linkId=6GI272MM2NPTA2H6" rel="nofollow">Living Treasures</a> won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Old-Faithful-Stories-Juniper/dp/1625343361/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">My Old Faithful.</a> Evoking both the drama of familial intimacy and the ups and downs of the everyday, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Old-Faithful-Stories-Juniper/dp/1625343361/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8" rel="nofollow">My Old Faithful</a> introduces readers to a close-knit Chinese family. These ten interconnected short stories, which take place in China and the United States over a thirty-year period, merge to paint a nuanced portrait of family life, full of pain, surprises, and subtle acts of courage. Richly textured narratives from the mother, the father, the son, and the daughters play out against the backdrop of China&#39;s social and economic change.</p>

<p>With quiet humor and sharp insight into the ordinary, Yang Huang writes of a father who spanks his son out of love, a brother who betrays his sister, and a young woman who dares bring a brown man home to her conservative parents. She writes of an aging wife and the kindness she shows a young prostitute caught soliciting her husband; of a woman returning to China after many years to find her country changed in ways both expected and startling. This collection, by a writer who grew up in Jiangsu province and participated in the 1989 student uprisings, is remarkable in its sense of place and fidelity to lived human experience.</p>

<p>Yang Huang grew up in China and came to the U.S. to study computer science. While working as an engineer, she attended Boston College and earned an MFA from the University of Arizona. Her collection of linked family stories, My Old Faithful, won the Juniper Prize for Fiction. Her debut novel Living Treasures won the Nautilus Book Award silver medal in fiction. Her essays, stories, and screenplay have appeared in Poets &amp; Writers, Literary Hub, The Margins, Eleven Eleven, Asian Pacific American Journal, The Evansville Review, Stories for Film, and others. She lives in the San Francisco Bay Area and works for the University of California at Berkeley. To learn more about Yang and her writing, visit <a href="http://www.yanghuang.com" rel="nofollow">www.yanghuang.com</a> or follow her on Twitter: @yangwrites.</p><p>Special Guest: Yang Huang.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 93: Unafraid, with Adam Hamilton</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Adam Hamilton. Adam is the senior pastor of The United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in Leawood, Kansas, one of the fastest growing, most highly visible churches in the country. His newest book is "Unafraid: Living with Courage and Hope in Uncertain Times." It's a book for  persons and communities desiring find hope and serenity in an anxious age.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>45:20</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Adam Hamilton. Adam is the senior pastor of The United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in Leawood, Kansas, one of the fastest growing, most highly visible churches in the country. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unafraid-Living-Courage-Troubled-Times/dp/0525532315" rel="nofollow">Unafraid: Living with Courage and Hope in Uncertain Times</a>. It&#39;s a book for  persons and communities desiring find hope and serenity in an anxious age.</p>

<p>To find out more about Adam and what his ongoing and exciting work head on over to his website: <a href="http://www.adamhamilton.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.adamhamilton.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Adam Hamilton.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Adam Hamilton. Adam is the senior pastor of The United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in Leawood, Kansas, one of the fastest growing, most highly visible churches in the country. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unafraid-Living-Courage-Troubled-Times/dp/0525532315" rel="nofollow">Unafraid: Living with Courage and Hope in Uncertain Times</a>. It&#39;s a book for  persons and communities desiring find hope and serenity in an anxious age.</p>

<p>To find out more about Adam and what his ongoing and exciting work head on over to his website: <a href="http://www.adamhamilton.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.adamhamilton.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Adam Hamilton.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Adam Hamilton. Adam is the senior pastor of The United Methodist Church of the Resurrection in Leawood, Kansas, one of the fastest growing, most highly visible churches in the country. His newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Unafraid-Living-Courage-Troubled-Times/dp/0525532315" rel="nofollow">Unafraid: Living with Courage and Hope in Uncertain Times</a>. It&#39;s a book for  persons and communities desiring find hope and serenity in an anxious age.</p>

<p>To find out more about Adam and what his ongoing and exciting work head on over to his website: <a href="http://www.adamhamilton.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.adamhamilton.org</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Adam Hamilton.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 92: The Delight of Being Ordinary, with Roland Merullo</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Roland Merullo. He is the acclaimed author of twenty previous books, including the international favorite "Breaking with the Buddha", now in its twentieth printing. Against a landscape of good humor, intrigue, and spiritual fulfillment, "The Delight of Being Ordinary" showcases the uniquely charming sensibilities of author Roland Merullo. Part whimsical expedition, part love story, part spiritual search, this uplifting novel brings warmth and laughter to the universal concerns of family life, religious inspiration, and personal identity—all of which combine to transcend cultural and political barriers in the name of a once-in-a-lifetime adventure.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>33:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Roland Merullo. He is the acclaimed author of twenty previous books, including the international favorite &quot;Breaking with the Buddha&quot;, now in its twentieth printing. Against a landscape of good humor, intrigue, and spiritual fulfillment,<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Delight-Being-Ordinary-Road-Dalai-ebook/dp/B018CHA2BE" rel="nofollow"> <em>The Delight of Being Ordinary</em> </a>showcases the uniquely charming sensibilities of author Roland Merullo. Part whimsical expedition, part love story, part spiritual search, this uplifting novel brings warmth and laughter to the universal concerns of family life, religious inspiration, and personal identity—all of which combine to transcend cultural and political barriers in the name of a once-in-a-lifetime adventure.</p>

<p>Roland Merullo’s playful, eloquent, and life-affirming novel finds the world’s two holiest men teaming up for an unsanctioned road trip through the Italian countryside--where they rediscover the everyday joys and challenges of ordinary life. During the Dalai Lama’s highly publicized official visit to the Vatican, the Pope suggests an adventure so unexpected and appealing that neither man can resist: they will shed their robes for several days and live as ordinary men. Before dawn, the two beloved religious leaders make a daring escape from Vatican City, slip into a waiting car, and are soon traveling the Italian roads in disguise. Along for the ride is the Pope’s neurotic cousin and personal assistant, Paolo, who--to his terror-- has been put in charge of arranging the details of their disappearance. Rounding out the group is Paolo’s estranged wife, Rosa, an eccentric entrepreneur with a lust for life, who orchestrates the sublime disguises of each man. Rosa is a woman who cannot resist the call to adventure--or the fun.</p><p>Special Guest: Roland Merullo.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Roland Merullo. He is the acclaimed author of twenty previous books, including the international favorite &quot;Breaking with the Buddha&quot;, now in its twentieth printing. Against a landscape of good humor, intrigue, and spiritual fulfillment,<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Delight-Being-Ordinary-Road-Dalai-ebook/dp/B018CHA2BE" rel="nofollow"> <em>The Delight of Being Ordinary</em> </a>showcases the uniquely charming sensibilities of author Roland Merullo. Part whimsical expedition, part love story, part spiritual search, this uplifting novel brings warmth and laughter to the universal concerns of family life, religious inspiration, and personal identity—all of which combine to transcend cultural and political barriers in the name of a once-in-a-lifetime adventure.</p>

<p>Roland Merullo’s playful, eloquent, and life-affirming novel finds the world’s two holiest men teaming up for an unsanctioned road trip through the Italian countryside--where they rediscover the everyday joys and challenges of ordinary life. During the Dalai Lama’s highly publicized official visit to the Vatican, the Pope suggests an adventure so unexpected and appealing that neither man can resist: they will shed their robes for several days and live as ordinary men. Before dawn, the two beloved religious leaders make a daring escape from Vatican City, slip into a waiting car, and are soon traveling the Italian roads in disguise. Along for the ride is the Pope’s neurotic cousin and personal assistant, Paolo, who--to his terror-- has been put in charge of arranging the details of their disappearance. Rounding out the group is Paolo’s estranged wife, Rosa, an eccentric entrepreneur with a lust for life, who orchestrates the sublime disguises of each man. Rosa is a woman who cannot resist the call to adventure--or the fun.</p><p>Special Guest: Roland Merullo.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Roland Merullo. He is the acclaimed author of twenty previous books, including the international favorite &quot;Breaking with the Buddha&quot;, now in its twentieth printing. Against a landscape of good humor, intrigue, and spiritual fulfillment,<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Delight-Being-Ordinary-Road-Dalai-ebook/dp/B018CHA2BE" rel="nofollow"> <em>The Delight of Being Ordinary</em> </a>showcases the uniquely charming sensibilities of author Roland Merullo. Part whimsical expedition, part love story, part spiritual search, this uplifting novel brings warmth and laughter to the universal concerns of family life, religious inspiration, and personal identity—all of which combine to transcend cultural and political barriers in the name of a once-in-a-lifetime adventure.</p>

<p>Roland Merullo’s playful, eloquent, and life-affirming novel finds the world’s two holiest men teaming up for an unsanctioned road trip through the Italian countryside--where they rediscover the everyday joys and challenges of ordinary life. During the Dalai Lama’s highly publicized official visit to the Vatican, the Pope suggests an adventure so unexpected and appealing that neither man can resist: they will shed their robes for several days and live as ordinary men. Before dawn, the two beloved religious leaders make a daring escape from Vatican City, slip into a waiting car, and are soon traveling the Italian roads in disguise. Along for the ride is the Pope’s neurotic cousin and personal assistant, Paolo, who--to his terror-- has been put in charge of arranging the details of their disappearance. Rounding out the group is Paolo’s estranged wife, Rosa, an eccentric entrepreneur with a lust for life, who orchestrates the sublime disguises of each man. Rosa is a woman who cannot resist the call to adventure--or the fun.</p><p>Special Guest: Roland Merullo.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 91: The Talmudic Account of the Trial of Jesus, with Chaim Saiman </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He's a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He wrote a fascinating piece for First Things a few years ago called The Halakhah of Jesus' Trial. In it he reflects on the only piece of Talmud that talks about the trial and death of Jesus. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He&#39;s a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He wrote a fascinating piece for <a href="https://www.firstthings.com/article/2013/08/the-halakhah-of-jesus-trial" rel="nofollow">First Things a few years ago called The Halakhah of Jesus&#39; Trial.</a> In it he reflects on the only piece of Talmud that talks about the trial and death of Jesus.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He&#39;s a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He wrote a fascinating piece for <a href="https://www.firstthings.com/article/2013/08/the-halakhah-of-jesus-trial" rel="nofollow">First Things a few years ago called The Halakhah of Jesus&#39; Trial.</a> In it he reflects on the only piece of Talmud that talks about the trial and death of Jesus.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 90: The Ashokan Way, with Gail Straub</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Gail Straub. Gail is the Executive Director of the Empowerment Institute, which she co-founded in 1981. Her most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ashokan-Way-Landscapes-Path-Consciousness/dp/1947003690" rel="nofollow">The Ashokan Way: Landscape&#39;s Path into Consciousness.</a> The natural world has the power to awaken, restore, and transform us, and nowhere are these capacities more evident than in the thirty-six luminous essays that make up The Ashokan Way. Written in the form of journal entries that take place over the course of a year, the essays explore both the outer landscapes of the awe-inspiring Ashokan Reservoir, a vast open space surrounded by the ancient bluestone peaks of the Catskill Mountain Watershed, and the equally awe-inspiring inner landscapes of our own most personal terrains.</p><p>Special Guest: Gail Straub.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Gail Straub. Gail is the Executive Director of the Empowerment Institute, which she co-founded in 1981. Her most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ashokan-Way-Landscapes-Path-Consciousness/dp/1947003690" rel="nofollow">The Ashokan Way: Landscape&#39;s Path into Consciousness.</a> The natural world has the power to awaken, restore, and transform us, and nowhere are these capacities more evident than in the thirty-six luminous essays that make up The Ashokan Way. Written in the form of journal entries that take place over the course of a year, the essays explore both the outer landscapes of the awe-inspiring Ashokan Reservoir, a vast open space surrounded by the ancient bluestone peaks of the Catskill Mountain Watershed, and the equally awe-inspiring inner landscapes of our own most personal terrains.</p><p>Special Guest: Gail Straub.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 89: Reconstructing The Gospel: Finding Freedom From Slaveholder Religion, with Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove. He is a celebrated spiritual writer and sought-after speaker. A native of North Carolina, he is a graduate of Eastern University and Duke Divinity School. His newest book is "Reconstructing The Gospel: Finding Freedom From Slaveholder Religion." In it he argues that just as Reconstruction after the Civil War worked to repair a desperately broken society, our compromised Christianity requires a spiritual reconstruction that undoes the injustices of the past. Wilson-Hartgrove traces his journey from the religion of the slaveholder to the Christianity of Christ. Reconstructing the gospel requires facing the pain of the past and present, from racial blindness to systemic abuses of power. Grappling seriously with troubling history and theology, Wilson-Hartgrove recovers the subversiveness of the gospel that sustained the church through centuries of slavery and oppression, from the civil rights era to the Black Lives Matter movement and beyond.

He lives with his family at the Rutba House, a Christian community and house of hospitality, in Durham, North Carolina, where he directs School for Conversion.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Jonathan lives with his family at the Rutba House, a Christian community and house of hospitality, in Durham, North Carolina, where he directs <a href="https://www.schoolforconversion.org" rel="nofollow">School for Conversion</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.</p>]]>
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<p>Jonathan lives with his family at the Rutba House, a Christian community and house of hospitality, in Durham, North Carolina, where he directs <a href="https://www.schoolforconversion.org" rel="nofollow">School for Conversion</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.</p>]]>
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<p>Jonathan lives with his family at the Rutba House, a Christian community and house of hospitality, in Durham, North Carolina, where he directs <a href="https://www.schoolforconversion.org" rel="nofollow">School for Conversion</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 88: Democracy In Exile, with Daniel Bessner</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Daniel Bessner. Daniel is the Anne H.H. and Kenneth B. Pyle Assistant Professor in American Foreign Policy in the Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. His new book is "Democracy In Exile: Hans Speier and the Rise of the Defense Intellectual."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Bessner. Daniel is the Anne H.H. and Kenneth B. Pyle Assistant Professor in American Foreign Policy in the Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Exile-Speier-Defense-Intellectual/dp/0801453038/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509725358&sr=8-1&keywords=democracy+in+exile" rel="nofollow">Democracy In Exile: Hans Speier and the Rise of the Defense Intellectual.</a></p>

<p>Daniel works on intellectual and cultural history, U.S. foreign relations, the history of democratic thought, and the history of the social sciences. </p>

<p>Daniel’s next book is provisionally entitled <em>The RAND Corporation: A History</em>, and is under advance contract with Princeton University Press. Finally, he is co-editing a book with Nicolas Guilhot tentatively entitled <em>The Decisionist Imagination: Sovereignty, Social Science, and Democracy in the Twentieth Century</em>, which is under advance contract with Berghahn Books.</p>

<p>Daniel has published scholarly articles in several journals, including <em>The Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences</em>,_ International Security_, T_he Intellectual History Review_, and others. In 2014, the International Society for Intellectual History awarded him the Charles Schmitt Prize for Best Article written by a graduate student or scholar within two years of receiving the Ph.D. for an essay on Murray Rothbard and modern libertarianism.</p>

<p>Daniel has also published pieces in popular venues, including T_he Washington Post_, <em>Foreign Affairs</em>, and <em>n+1</em>, among others.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Bessner.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Bessner. Daniel is the Anne H.H. and Kenneth B. Pyle Assistant Professor in American Foreign Policy in the Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Exile-Speier-Defense-Intellectual/dp/0801453038/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509725358&sr=8-1&keywords=democracy+in+exile" rel="nofollow">Democracy In Exile: Hans Speier and the Rise of the Defense Intellectual.</a></p>

<p>Daniel works on intellectual and cultural history, U.S. foreign relations, the history of democratic thought, and the history of the social sciences. </p>

<p>Daniel’s next book is provisionally entitled <em>The RAND Corporation: A History</em>, and is under advance contract with Princeton University Press. Finally, he is co-editing a book with Nicolas Guilhot tentatively entitled <em>The Decisionist Imagination: Sovereignty, Social Science, and Democracy in the Twentieth Century</em>, which is under advance contract with Berghahn Books.</p>

<p>Daniel has published scholarly articles in several journals, including <em>The Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences</em>,_ International Security_, T_he Intellectual History Review_, and others. In 2014, the International Society for Intellectual History awarded him the Charles Schmitt Prize for Best Article written by a graduate student or scholar within two years of receiving the Ph.D. for an essay on Murray Rothbard and modern libertarianism.</p>

<p>Daniel has also published pieces in popular venues, including T_he Washington Post_, <em>Foreign Affairs</em>, and <em>n+1</em>, among others.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Bessner.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Daniel Bessner. Daniel is the Anne H.H. and Kenneth B. Pyle Assistant Professor in American Foreign Policy in the Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington. His new book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Exile-Speier-Defense-Intellectual/dp/0801453038/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1509725358&sr=8-1&keywords=democracy+in+exile" rel="nofollow">Democracy In Exile: Hans Speier and the Rise of the Defense Intellectual.</a></p>

<p>Daniel works on intellectual and cultural history, U.S. foreign relations, the history of democratic thought, and the history of the social sciences. </p>

<p>Daniel’s next book is provisionally entitled <em>The RAND Corporation: A History</em>, and is under advance contract with Princeton University Press. Finally, he is co-editing a book with Nicolas Guilhot tentatively entitled <em>The Decisionist Imagination: Sovereignty, Social Science, and Democracy in the Twentieth Century</em>, which is under advance contract with Berghahn Books.</p>

<p>Daniel has published scholarly articles in several journals, including <em>The Journal of the History of the Behavioral Sciences</em>,_ International Security_, T_he Intellectual History Review_, and others. In 2014, the International Society for Intellectual History awarded him the Charles Schmitt Prize for Best Article written by a graduate student or scholar within two years of receiving the Ph.D. for an essay on Murray Rothbard and modern libertarianism.</p>

<p>Daniel has also published pieces in popular venues, including T_he Washington Post_, <em>Foreign Affairs</em>, and <em>n+1</em>, among others.</p><p>Special Guest: Daniel Bessner.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 86: The Gender Effect, with Kathryn Moeller</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Kathryn Moeller. She is Assistant Professor of Educational Policy Studies and an affiliate of the Department of Gender and Women’s Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Her newest book is "The Gender Effect: Capitalism, Feminism and the Corporate Politics of Development." </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kathryn Moeller. She is Assistant Professor of Educational Policy Studies and an affiliate of the Department of Gender and Women’s Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gender-Effect-Capitalism-Corporate-Development/dp/0520286391" rel="nofollow">The Gender Effect: Capitalism, Feminism and the Corporate Politics of Development.</a> In it she examines how and why U.S. transnational corporations are investing in the lives, educations, and futures of poor, racialized girls and women in the Global South. Is it a solution to ending poverty? Or is it a pursuit of economic growth and corporate profit? Drawing on more than a decade of research in the United States and Brazil, this book focuses on how the philanthropic, social responsibility, and business practices of various corporations use a logic of development that positions girls and women as instruments of poverty alleviation and new frontiers for capitalist accumulation. Using the Girl Effect, the philanthropic brand of Nike, Inc., as a central case study, the book examines how these corporations seek to address the problems of gendered poverty and inequality, yet do so using an instrumental logic that shifts the burden of development onto girls and women without transforming the structural conditions that produce poverty. These practices, in turn, enable corporations to expand their legitimacy, authority, and reach while sidestepping contradictions in their business practices that often exacerbate conditions of vulnerability for girls and women. With a keen eye towards justice, author Kathryn Moeller concludes that these corporatized development practices de-politicize girls’ and women’s demands for fair labor practices and a just global economy.</p><p>Special Guest: Kathryn Moeller.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kathryn Moeller. She is Assistant Professor of Educational Policy Studies and an affiliate of the Department of Gender and Women’s Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gender-Effect-Capitalism-Corporate-Development/dp/0520286391" rel="nofollow">The Gender Effect: Capitalism, Feminism and the Corporate Politics of Development.</a> In it she examines how and why U.S. transnational corporations are investing in the lives, educations, and futures of poor, racialized girls and women in the Global South. Is it a solution to ending poverty? Or is it a pursuit of economic growth and corporate profit? Drawing on more than a decade of research in the United States and Brazil, this book focuses on how the philanthropic, social responsibility, and business practices of various corporations use a logic of development that positions girls and women as instruments of poverty alleviation and new frontiers for capitalist accumulation. Using the Girl Effect, the philanthropic brand of Nike, Inc., as a central case study, the book examines how these corporations seek to address the problems of gendered poverty and inequality, yet do so using an instrumental logic that shifts the burden of development onto girls and women without transforming the structural conditions that produce poverty. These practices, in turn, enable corporations to expand their legitimacy, authority, and reach while sidestepping contradictions in their business practices that often exacerbate conditions of vulnerability for girls and women. With a keen eye towards justice, author Kathryn Moeller concludes that these corporatized development practices de-politicize girls’ and women’s demands for fair labor practices and a just global economy.</p><p>Special Guest: Kathryn Moeller.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Kathryn Moeller. She is Assistant Professor of Educational Policy Studies and an affiliate of the Department of Gender and Women’s Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Her newest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Gender-Effect-Capitalism-Corporate-Development/dp/0520286391" rel="nofollow">The Gender Effect: Capitalism, Feminism and the Corporate Politics of Development.</a> In it she examines how and why U.S. transnational corporations are investing in the lives, educations, and futures of poor, racialized girls and women in the Global South. Is it a solution to ending poverty? Or is it a pursuit of economic growth and corporate profit? Drawing on more than a decade of research in the United States and Brazil, this book focuses on how the philanthropic, social responsibility, and business practices of various corporations use a logic of development that positions girls and women as instruments of poverty alleviation and new frontiers for capitalist accumulation. Using the Girl Effect, the philanthropic brand of Nike, Inc., as a central case study, the book examines how these corporations seek to address the problems of gendered poverty and inequality, yet do so using an instrumental logic that shifts the burden of development onto girls and women without transforming the structural conditions that produce poverty. These practices, in turn, enable corporations to expand their legitimacy, authority, and reach while sidestepping contradictions in their business practices that often exacerbate conditions of vulnerability for girls and women. With a keen eye towards justice, author Kathryn Moeller concludes that these corporatized development practices de-politicize girls’ and women’s demands for fair labor practices and a just global economy.</p><p>Special Guest: Kathryn Moeller.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 85: The Character of Virtue: Letters to a Godson, with Stanley Hauerwas</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2018 13:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Stanley Hauerwas. He is Gilbert T. Rowe Professor Emeritus of Divinity and Law at Duke University. His most recent book is "The Character of Virtue: Letters to a Godson." </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Stanley Hauerwas. He is Gilbert T. Rowe Professor Emeritus of Divinity and Law at Duke University. Professor Hauerwas has sought to recover the significance of the virtues for understanding the nature of the Christian life. This search has led him to emphasize the importance of the church, as well as narrative for understanding Christian existence. His work cuts across disciplinary lines as he is in conversation with systematic theology, philosophical theology and ethics, political theory, as well as the philosophy of social science and medical ethics. He was named &quot;America’s Best Theologian&quot; by Time magazine in 2001. Dr. Hauerwas, who holds a joint appointment in Duke Law School, delivered the prestigious Gifford Lectureship at the University of St. Andrews, Scotland in 2001. His most recent book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Character-Virtue-Letters-Godson/dp/0802875793" rel="nofollow">The Character of Virtue: Letters to a Godson.</a></p><p>Special Guest: Stanley Hauerwas.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 84: Paul: An Apostle's Journey, with Douglas Campbell</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>Episode 83: Age of Discovery: Navigating the Risks and Rewards of Our New Renaissance, with Chris Kutarna </title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Chris Kutarna. Chris is the co-author of Age of Discovery: Navigating the Storms of Our Second Renaissance, a best-selling, internationally acclaimed book published by Bloomsbury and St Martin’s Press. Among other predictions, Chris publicly foresaw the outcome of the United Kingdom’s 2016 referendum on EU membership (Brexit) and the 2016 election of Donald Trump as President of the United States. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZJUKA36hA&amp;t=9s)
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        <![CDATA[<p>Dr. Chris Kutarna is the co-author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/147294352X" rel="nofollow">Age of Discovery: Navigating the Storms of Our Second Renaissance</a>, a best-selling, internationally acclaimed book published by Bloomsbury and St Martin’s Press. Among other predictions, Chris <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qHDtMJTL5k&t=64s" rel="nofollow">publicly foresaw the outcome of the United Kingdom’s 2016 referendum on EU membership (Brexit)</a> and the 2016 election of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZJUKA36hA&t=9s" rel="nofollow">Donald Trump as President of the United States.</a></p>

<p>His forthcoming books, <em>How to Beat Trump</em> (Fall/Winter 2018) and <em>Blue: China’s Other Color</em> (Summer 2019), continue to draw the maps we need to navigate the new world we’re already in._ The New World _(Fall/Winter 2019) will be an atlas to the future.</p><p>Special Guest: Chris Kutarna.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Dr. Chris Kutarna is the co-author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/147294352X" rel="nofollow">Age of Discovery: Navigating the Storms of Our Second Renaissance</a>, a best-selling, internationally acclaimed book published by Bloomsbury and St Martin’s Press. Among other predictions, Chris <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qHDtMJTL5k&t=64s" rel="nofollow">publicly foresaw the outcome of the United Kingdom’s 2016 referendum on EU membership (Brexit)</a> and the 2016 election of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZJUKA36hA&t=9s" rel="nofollow">Donald Trump as President of the United States.</a></p>

<p>His forthcoming books, <em>How to Beat Trump</em> (Fall/Winter 2018) and <em>Blue: China’s Other Color</em> (Summer 2019), continue to draw the maps we need to navigate the new world we’re already in._ The New World _(Fall/Winter 2019) will be an atlas to the future.</p><p>Special Guest: Chris Kutarna.</p>]]>
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<p>His forthcoming books, <em>How to Beat Trump</em> (Fall/Winter 2018) and <em>Blue: China’s Other Color</em> (Summer 2019), continue to draw the maps we need to navigate the new world we’re already in._ The New World _(Fall/Winter 2019) will be an atlas to the future.</p><p>Special Guest: Chris Kutarna.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 82: Billy Graham: A Grandson's Reflection, with Tullian Tchividjian </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Tullian Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham. He's written several award winning books. He's been a celebrated preacher and pastor. In recent years he's not just preached the message of grace, he's also confessed his deep need for it amidst his own struggles. In this episode he reflects on the memory of his recently deceased grandfather, Billy Graham.

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      <itunes:duration>40:20</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Tullian Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham. He&#39;s written several award winning books. He&#39;s been a celebrated preacher and pastor. In recent years he&#39;s not just preached the message of grace, he&#39;s also confessed his deep need for it amidst his own struggles. In this episode he reflects on the memory of his recently deceased grandfather, Billy Graham.</p>

<p>You can connect with Tullian at<a href="https://www.tullian.net" rel="nofollow"> https://www.tullian.net</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Tullian Tchividjian.</p>]]>
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<p>You can connect with Tullian at<a href="https://www.tullian.net" rel="nofollow"> https://www.tullian.net</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Tullian Tchividjian.</p>]]>
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<p>You can connect with Tullian at<a href="https://www.tullian.net" rel="nofollow"> https://www.tullian.net</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Tullian Tchividjian.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 81: How To Break Up With Your Phone, with Catherine Price</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2018 19:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:duration>51:59</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Catherine Price. She&#39;s an award winning writer and science journalist. Her most recent is entitled <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Break-Up-Your-Phone/dp/039958112X" rel="nofollow">How To Break Up With Your Phone</a>. It&#39;s all about changing your relationship to your phone so that you can be more present to yourself and the world around you. </p><p>Special Guest: Catherine Price.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Catherine Price. She&#39;s an award winning writer and science journalist. Her most recent is entitled <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Break-Up-Your-Phone/dp/039958112X" rel="nofollow">How To Break Up With Your Phone</a>. It&#39;s all about changing your relationship to your phone so that you can be more present to yourself and the world around you. </p><p>Special Guest: Catherine Price.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Catherine Price. She&#39;s an award winning writer and science journalist. Her most recent is entitled <a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Break-Up-Your-Phone/dp/039958112X" rel="nofollow">How To Break Up With Your Phone</a>. It&#39;s all about changing your relationship to your phone so that you can be more present to yourself and the world around you. </p><p>Special Guest: Catherine Price.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 80: Breaking The Ruhls, with Larry Ruhl</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2018 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Larry Ruhl. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Ruhls-Memoir-Larry-Ruhl/dp/1942094582" rel="nofollow">Breaking The Ruhls</a>,is a profoundly personal account of the impact of complex trauma on a man’s life.</p>

<p>Larry Ruhl’s father sought comfort from his only son, smothering him not only with his affection, but his sexuality―blurring critical boundaries that would prove deeply debilitating. Larry’s mother, with her spiraling, ever-changing mental illness kept the family in a constant state of anxiety. By the time Larry graduated from high school, overwhelming sadness and suicidal thoughts took root, plaguing him for decades.</p>

<p>Breaking the Ruhls will resonate deeply with many who have experienced similar trauma, boundary violations, and abuse within the family. Ruhl mines his own experiences with sexual confusion, addiction and recovery, relationships, career struggles, and therapeutic breakthroughs, while demonstrating it is possible to heal and thrive.</p><p>Special Guest: Larry Ruhl.</p>]]>
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<p>Larry Ruhl’s father sought comfort from his only son, smothering him not only with his affection, but his sexuality―blurring critical boundaries that would prove deeply debilitating. Larry’s mother, with her spiraling, ever-changing mental illness kept the family in a constant state of anxiety. By the time Larry graduated from high school, overwhelming sadness and suicidal thoughts took root, plaguing him for decades.</p>

<p>Breaking the Ruhls will resonate deeply with many who have experienced similar trauma, boundary violations, and abuse within the family. Ruhl mines his own experiences with sexual confusion, addiction and recovery, relationships, career struggles, and therapeutic breakthroughs, while demonstrating it is possible to heal and thrive.</p><p>Special Guest: Larry Ruhl.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Larry Ruhl. His first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Ruhls-Memoir-Larry-Ruhl/dp/1942094582" rel="nofollow">Breaking The Ruhls</a>,is a profoundly personal account of the impact of complex trauma on a man’s life.</p>

<p>Larry Ruhl’s father sought comfort from his only son, smothering him not only with his affection, but his sexuality―blurring critical boundaries that would prove deeply debilitating. Larry’s mother, with her spiraling, ever-changing mental illness kept the family in a constant state of anxiety. By the time Larry graduated from high school, overwhelming sadness and suicidal thoughts took root, plaguing him for decades.</p>

<p>Breaking the Ruhls will resonate deeply with many who have experienced similar trauma, boundary violations, and abuse within the family. Ruhl mines his own experiences with sexual confusion, addiction and recovery, relationships, career struggles, and therapeutic breakthroughs, while demonstrating it is possible to heal and thrive.</p><p>Special Guest: Larry Ruhl.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 79: Catholic Modern: The Challenge of Totalitarianism and the Remaking of the Catholic Church, with James Chappel </title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is James Chappel. He's a professor of History at Duke University and his first book, "Catholic Modern", examines the Catholic Church's changing relationship with modernity in the 20th century. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:01:23</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Chappel. He&#39;s a professor of History at Duke University. His first book is forthcoming in the Spring of 2018. It&#39;s called <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Modern-Challeng%E2%80%A6" rel="nofollow">Catholic Modern: The Challenge of Totalitarianism and the Remaking of the Catholic Church.</a>  It examines the Catholic Church&#39;s changing relationship with modernity in the 20th century.</p><p>Special Guest: James Chappel.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Chappel. He&#39;s a professor of History at Duke University. His first book is forthcoming in the Spring of 2018. It&#39;s called <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Modern-Challeng%E2%80%A6" rel="nofollow">Catholic Modern: The Challenge of Totalitarianism and the Remaking of the Catholic Church.</a>  It examines the Catholic Church&#39;s changing relationship with modernity in the 20th century.</p><p>Special Guest: James Chappel.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is James Chappel. He&#39;s a professor of History at Duke University. His first book is forthcoming in the Spring of 2018. It&#39;s called <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Modern-Challeng%E2%80%A6" rel="nofollow">Catholic Modern: The Challenge of Totalitarianism and the Remaking of the Catholic Church.</a>  It examines the Catholic Church&#39;s changing relationship with modernity in the 20th century.</p><p>Special Guest: James Chappel.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 78: Love And Trouble, with Claire Dederer</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Claire Dederer. Claire is the author of two critically acclaimed memoirs: "Love and Trouble: A Midlife Reckoning" and "Poser: My Life in Twenty-Three Yoga Poses", which was a New York Times bestseller. Poser has been translated into 11 languages, optioned for television by Warner Bros., and adapted for the stage.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Claire Dederer. Claire is the author of two critically acclaimed memoirs: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Trouble-Reckoning-Claire-Dederer/dp/B01KE67DLI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1516841630&sr=8-1&keywords=love+and+trouble+a+midlife+reckoning+by+claire+dederer" rel="nofollow">Love and Trouble: A Midlife Reckoning</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Poser-Life-Twenty-three-Yoga-Poses/dp/B0044782C8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1516841630&sr=8-2&keywords=love+and+trouble+a+midlife+reckoning+by+claire+dederer" rel="nofollow">Poser: My Life in Twenty-Three Yoga Poses</a>, which was a New York Times bestseller. Poser has been translated into 11 languages, optioned for television by Warner Bros., and adapted for the stage.</p>

<p>Dederer is a long-time contributor to The New York Times. Her essays, criticism, and reviews have also appeared in The Atlantic, Harper’s, The Nation, Vogue, Chicago Tribune, Real Simple, Entertainment Weekly, New York magazine, Yoga Journal, Newsday, Slate, Salon, and many other publications. Her essays have appeared in numerous anthologies, most recently Labor Day. Dederer began her career as the chief film critic for Seattle Weekly. She has taught at Hugo House, the University of Washington, and many residencies, workshops, and conferences. Dederer served as writer-in-residence in the MFA program at Old Dominion University, and has been awarded a residency at Hedgebrook, where she also taught the Master Class in memoir.</p>

<p>Dederer is a fourth-generation Seattle native. She lives on an island in Puget Sound with her husband, the writer Bruce Barcott, and their children.</p><p>Special Guest: Claire Dederer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Claire Dederer. Claire is the author of two critically acclaimed memoirs: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Trouble-Reckoning-Claire-Dederer/dp/B01KE67DLI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1516841630&sr=8-1&keywords=love+and+trouble+a+midlife+reckoning+by+claire+dederer" rel="nofollow">Love and Trouble: A Midlife Reckoning</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Poser-Life-Twenty-three-Yoga-Poses/dp/B0044782C8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1516841630&sr=8-2&keywords=love+and+trouble+a+midlife+reckoning+by+claire+dederer" rel="nofollow">Poser: My Life in Twenty-Three Yoga Poses</a>, which was a New York Times bestseller. Poser has been translated into 11 languages, optioned for television by Warner Bros., and adapted for the stage.</p>

<p>Dederer is a long-time contributor to The New York Times. Her essays, criticism, and reviews have also appeared in The Atlantic, Harper’s, The Nation, Vogue, Chicago Tribune, Real Simple, Entertainment Weekly, New York magazine, Yoga Journal, Newsday, Slate, Salon, and many other publications. Her essays have appeared in numerous anthologies, most recently Labor Day. Dederer began her career as the chief film critic for Seattle Weekly. She has taught at Hugo House, the University of Washington, and many residencies, workshops, and conferences. Dederer served as writer-in-residence in the MFA program at Old Dominion University, and has been awarded a residency at Hedgebrook, where she also taught the Master Class in memoir.</p>

<p>Dederer is a fourth-generation Seattle native. She lives on an island in Puget Sound with her husband, the writer Bruce Barcott, and their children.</p><p>Special Guest: Claire Dederer.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Claire Dederer. Claire is the author of two critically acclaimed memoirs: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Trouble-Reckoning-Claire-Dederer/dp/B01KE67DLI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1516841630&sr=8-1&keywords=love+and+trouble+a+midlife+reckoning+by+claire+dederer" rel="nofollow">Love and Trouble: A Midlife Reckoning</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Poser-Life-Twenty-three-Yoga-Poses/dp/B0044782C8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1516841630&sr=8-2&keywords=love+and+trouble+a+midlife+reckoning+by+claire+dederer" rel="nofollow">Poser: My Life in Twenty-Three Yoga Poses</a>, which was a New York Times bestseller. Poser has been translated into 11 languages, optioned for television by Warner Bros., and adapted for the stage.</p>

<p>Dederer is a long-time contributor to The New York Times. Her essays, criticism, and reviews have also appeared in The Atlantic, Harper’s, The Nation, Vogue, Chicago Tribune, Real Simple, Entertainment Weekly, New York magazine, Yoga Journal, Newsday, Slate, Salon, and many other publications. Her essays have appeared in numerous anthologies, most recently Labor Day. Dederer began her career as the chief film critic for Seattle Weekly. She has taught at Hugo House, the University of Washington, and many residencies, workshops, and conferences. Dederer served as writer-in-residence in the MFA program at Old Dominion University, and has been awarded a residency at Hedgebrook, where she also taught the Master Class in memoir.</p>

<p>Dederer is a fourth-generation Seattle native. She lives on an island in Puget Sound with her husband, the writer Bruce Barcott, and their children.</p><p>Special Guest: Claire Dederer.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 77: Closing A Start Up Church, with Ryan Egli</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Ryan Egli. Ryan Egli is the Director of Enrollment Management and Marketing at Biblical Theological Seminary. He planted a church two years ago that had to close its doors. On this episode he shares that story. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ryan Egli. Ryan Egli is the Director of Enrollment Management and Marketing at Biblical Theological Seminary. He planted a church two years ago that had to close its doors. On this episode he shares that story. </p><p>Special Guest: Ryan Egli.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 76: Why the Last Jedi is more "Spiritual" than "Religious", with Chaim Saiman </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He's a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He also wrote a fascinating piece in the Atlantic about the most recent Star Wars film. It's called "Why The Last Jedi Is More 'Spiritual' Than 'Religious'."
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      <itunes:duration>1:14:36</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He&#39;s a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He also wrote a fascinating piece in the Atlantic about the most recent Star Wars film. It&#39;s called &quot;Why The Last Jedi Is More &#39;Spiritual&#39; Than &#39;Religious&#39;.&quot;</p>

<p>You can find the Atlantic piece here: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/why-the-last-jedi-is-more-spiritual-than-religious/549146/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/why-the-last-jedi-is-more-spiritual-than-religious/549146/</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He&#39;s a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He also wrote a fascinating piece in the Atlantic about the most recent Star Wars film. It&#39;s called &quot;Why The Last Jedi Is More &#39;Spiritual&#39; Than &#39;Religious&#39;.&quot;</p>

<p>You can find the Atlantic piece here: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/why-the-last-jedi-is-more-spiritual-than-religious/549146/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/why-the-last-jedi-is-more-spiritual-than-religious/549146/</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Chaim Saiman. He&#39;s a Professor of Law at Villanova University Law School, and is an expert in Law and Religion and Jewish Legal theory. He also wrote a fascinating piece in the Atlantic about the most recent Star Wars film. It&#39;s called &quot;Why The Last Jedi Is More &#39;Spiritual&#39; Than &#39;Religious&#39;.&quot;</p>

<p>You can find the Atlantic piece here: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/why-the-last-jedi-is-more-spiritual-than-religious/549146/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/12/why-the-last-jedi-is-more-spiritual-than-religious/549146/</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Chaim Saiman .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 75: The Dream and The Preacher King, with Kenyatta Gilbert</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is the Reverend Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert. Kenyatta  is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity. He earned his B.A. in Political Science from Baylor University and both his M.Div. and Ph.D. in Practical Theology from Princeton Theological Seminary. We talked about the legacy of Martin Luther King and what it means today. 

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      <itunes:duration>41:59</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is the Reverend Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert. Kenyatta is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity. He earned his B.A. in Political Science from Baylor University and both his M.Div. and Ph.D. in Practical Theology from Princeton Theological Seminary. We talked about the legacy of Martin Luther King and what it means today. </p>

<p>Dr. Gilbert specializes in the history, theory, and practice of African American preaching. His research focuses on the theology and rhetoric of prophetic preaching, African American religion, hermeneutical theory, and constructive practical theology. He is author of The Journey and Promise of African American Preaching (Fortress 2011); A Pursued Justice: Black Preaching from the Great Migration to Civil Rights (Baylor 2016); and, Exodus Preaching (Abingdon 2017).</p><p>Special Guest: Kenyatta Gilbert.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is the Reverend Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert. Kenyatta is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity. He earned his B.A. in Political Science from Baylor University and both his M.Div. and Ph.D. in Practical Theology from Princeton Theological Seminary. We talked about the legacy of Martin Luther King and what it means today. </p>

<p>Dr. Gilbert specializes in the history, theory, and practice of African American preaching. His research focuses on the theology and rhetoric of prophetic preaching, African American religion, hermeneutical theory, and constructive practical theology. He is author of The Journey and Promise of African American Preaching (Fortress 2011); A Pursued Justice: Black Preaching from the Great Migration to Civil Rights (Baylor 2016); and, Exodus Preaching (Abingdon 2017).</p><p>Special Guest: Kenyatta Gilbert.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is the Reverend Dr. Kenyatta R. Gilbert. Kenyatta is Associate Professor of Homiletics at the Howard University School of Divinity. He earned his B.A. in Political Science from Baylor University and both his M.Div. and Ph.D. in Practical Theology from Princeton Theological Seminary. We talked about the legacy of Martin Luther King and what it means today. </p>

<p>Dr. Gilbert specializes in the history, theory, and practice of African American preaching. His research focuses on the theology and rhetoric of prophetic preaching, African American religion, hermeneutical theory, and constructive practical theology. He is author of The Journey and Promise of African American Preaching (Fortress 2011); A Pursued Justice: Black Preaching from the Great Migration to Civil Rights (Baylor 2016); and, Exodus Preaching (Abingdon 2017).</p><p>Special Guest: Kenyatta Gilbert.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 74: UnTrumped, with Doug Pagitt</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Doug Pagitt is an Author, Speaker, Podcaster, Organizer, Pastor, Ultra-Marathoner, Goodness Conspirator &amp; Possibility Evangelist. He recently did a limited run podcast with another Pastor who voted for Donald Trump and still remains a Trump supporter. The dialogue is honest, passionate and generally fascinating.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>57:52</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Doug Pagitt is an Author, Speaker, Podcaster, Organizer, Pastor, Ultra-Marathoner, Goodness Conspirator &amp; Possibility Evangelist. He recently did a limited run podcast with another Pastor who voted for Donald Trump and still remains a Trump supporter. The dialogue is honest, passionate and generally fascinating.</p>

<p>You can find UnTrumped here: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/un-trumped" rel="nofollow">https://www.spreaker.com/show/un-trumped</a>. It&#39;s also available in iTunes or wherever else you get your podcasts. </p><p>Special Guest: Doug Pagitt.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Doug Pagitt is an Author, Speaker, Podcaster, Organizer, Pastor, Ultra-Marathoner, Goodness Conspirator &amp; Possibility Evangelist. He recently did a limited run podcast with another Pastor who voted for Donald Trump and still remains a Trump supporter. The dialogue is honest, passionate and generally fascinating.</p>

<p>You can find UnTrumped here: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/un-trumped" rel="nofollow">https://www.spreaker.com/show/un-trumped</a>. It&#39;s also available in iTunes or wherever else you get your podcasts. </p><p>Special Guest: Doug Pagitt.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Doug Pagitt is an Author, Speaker, Podcaster, Organizer, Pastor, Ultra-Marathoner, Goodness Conspirator &amp; Possibility Evangelist. He recently did a limited run podcast with another Pastor who voted for Donald Trump and still remains a Trump supporter. The dialogue is honest, passionate and generally fascinating.</p>

<p>You can find UnTrumped here: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/show/un-trumped" rel="nofollow">https://www.spreaker.com/show/un-trumped</a>. It&#39;s also available in iTunes or wherever else you get your podcasts. </p><p>Special Guest: Doug Pagitt.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 73: The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution, with Marci Shore </title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2018 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci teaches European cultural and intellectual history at Yale University. He most recent book, "The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution." In this lyrical and intimate book, she evokes the human face of the Ukrainian Revolution.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:12:23</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci teaches European cultural and intellectual history at Yale University. She&#39;s the author on numerous books, most recently <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ukrainian-Night-Intimate-History-Revolution/dp/0300218680" rel="nofollow">The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution.</a> In this lyrical and intimate book, she evokes the human face of the Ukrainian Revolution. Grounded in the true stories of activists and soldiers, parents and children, Shore’s book blends a narrative of suspenseful choices with a historian’s reflections on what revolution is and what it means. She gently sets her portraits of individual revolutionaries against the past as they understand it—and the future as they hope to make it. In so doing, she provides a lesson about human solidarity in a world, our world, where the boundary between reality and fiction is ever more effaced.</p><p>Special Guest: Marci Shore.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci teaches European cultural and intellectual history at Yale University. She&#39;s the author on numerous books, most recently <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ukrainian-Night-Intimate-History-Revolution/dp/0300218680" rel="nofollow">The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution.</a> In this lyrical and intimate book, she evokes the human face of the Ukrainian Revolution. Grounded in the true stories of activists and soldiers, parents and children, Shore’s book blends a narrative of suspenseful choices with a historian’s reflections on what revolution is and what it means. She gently sets her portraits of individual revolutionaries against the past as they understand it—and the future as they hope to make it. In so doing, she provides a lesson about human solidarity in a world, our world, where the boundary between reality and fiction is ever more effaced.</p><p>Special Guest: Marci Shore.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Marci Shore. Marci teaches European cultural and intellectual history at Yale University. She&#39;s the author on numerous books, most recently <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ukrainian-Night-Intimate-History-Revolution/dp/0300218680" rel="nofollow">The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution.</a> In this lyrical and intimate book, she evokes the human face of the Ukrainian Revolution. Grounded in the true stories of activists and soldiers, parents and children, Shore’s book blends a narrative of suspenseful choices with a historian’s reflections on what revolution is and what it means. She gently sets her portraits of individual revolutionaries against the past as they understand it—and the future as they hope to make it. In so doing, she provides a lesson about human solidarity in a world, our world, where the boundary between reality and fiction is ever more effaced.</p><p>Special Guest: Marci Shore.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 72: Meet The Nativity, with Glen Scrivener</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Glen Scrivener is an Anglican minister and director of the charity Speak Life. He’s the author of several books including “321 - The Story of God, the World, and You” and “Love Story: The Myth That Really Happened.” He wrote and produced the Christmas short films <a href="https://meetthenativity.com" rel="nofollow">Meet the Nativity</a>. He also has a podcast called <a href="http://speaklife.org.uk/tep/" rel="nofollow">The Evangelist&#39;s Podcast</a>. He lives in Eastbourne, UK, with his wife, Emma, and daughter, Ruby. </p><p>Special Guest: Glen Scrivener.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 71: Areas of Fog, with Will Dowd</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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<p>Will Dowd is a writer and artist based outside Boston. He earned an MFA in Creative Writing from New York University, as a Jacob K. Javits Fellowship; an MS from MIT, as a John Lyons Fellow; and a BA from Boston College, as a Presidential Scholar.</p><p>Special Guest: Will Dowd.</p>]]>
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<p>Will Dowd is a writer and artist based outside Boston. He earned an MFA in Creative Writing from New York University, as a Jacob K. Javits Fellowship; an MS from MIT, as a John Lyons Fellow; and a BA from Boston College, as a Presidential Scholar.</p><p>Special Guest: Will Dowd.</p>]]>
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<p>Will Dowd is a writer and artist based outside Boston. He earned an MFA in Creative Writing from New York University, as a Jacob K. Javits Fellowship; an MS from MIT, as a John Lyons Fellow; and a BA from Boston College, as a Presidential Scholar.</p><p>Special Guest: Will Dowd.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 70: Only a Joke Can Save Us: A Theory of Comedy, with Todd McGowan</title>
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      <title>Episode 69: Obroni And The Chocolate Factory, with Steven Wallace</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What country makes the best chocolate? Most people would answer "Switzerland," or, if they're discerning, "Belgium" or "France." Captivated by theories of international trade but with precious little knowledge of cocoa or chocolate, Steven Wallace set out to build the Omanhene Cocoa Bean Company in Ghana―a country renowned for its cocoa and where Wallace spent part of his youth―in a quest to produce the world's first export-ready, single-origin chocolate bar. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What country makes the best chocolate? Most people would answer &quot;Switzerland,&quot; or, if they&#39;re discerning, &quot;Belgium&quot; or &quot;France.&quot; But, how many cocoa trees grow in Zurich? Lyon? Antwerp? Shouldn&#39;t the country known for growing the best cocoa beans be the one that makes the best chocolate? So, captivated by theories of international trade but with precious little knowledge of cocoa or chocolate, Steven Wallace set out to build the Omanhene Cocoa Bean Company in Ghana―a country renowned for its cocoa and where Wallace spent part of his youth―in a quest to produce the world&#39;s first export-ready, single-origin chocolate bar. What followed would be the true story of an obroni―white person―from Wisconsin taking on the ultimate entrepreneurial challenge. </p>

<p>Written with sensitivity and devastating self-awareness, _<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Obroni-Chocolate-Factory-Unlikely-Globalization/dp/151072365X" rel="nofollow">Obroni and the Chocolate Factory _</a>is Steven&#39;s chaotic, fascinating, and bemusing journey to create a successful international business that aspired to do a bit of good in the world. This book is at once a penetrating business memoir and a story about imagining globalism done right. Wallace&#39;s picaresque journey takes him to Ghana&#39;s residence for the head of state, to the Amsterdam offices of a secretive international cocoa conglomerate, and face-to-face with key figures in the sharp-elbowed world of global trade and geopolitics. Along the way he&#39;ll be forced to deal with bureaucratic roadblocks, a legacy of colonialism, corporate intrigue, inscrutable international politics, a Bond-esque villain nemesis, and constant uncertainty about whether he&#39;ll actually pull it off. This rollicking love letter to both Ghana and the world of business is a rare glimpse into the mind of an unusually literate and articulate entrepreneur.</p><p>Special Guest: Steven C. Wallace .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What country makes the best chocolate? Most people would answer &quot;Switzerland,&quot; or, if they&#39;re discerning, &quot;Belgium&quot; or &quot;France.&quot; But, how many cocoa trees grow in Zurich? Lyon? Antwerp? Shouldn&#39;t the country known for growing the best cocoa beans be the one that makes the best chocolate? So, captivated by theories of international trade but with precious little knowledge of cocoa or chocolate, Steven Wallace set out to build the Omanhene Cocoa Bean Company in Ghana―a country renowned for its cocoa and where Wallace spent part of his youth―in a quest to produce the world&#39;s first export-ready, single-origin chocolate bar. What followed would be the true story of an obroni―white person―from Wisconsin taking on the ultimate entrepreneurial challenge. </p>

<p>Written with sensitivity and devastating self-awareness, _<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Obroni-Chocolate-Factory-Unlikely-Globalization/dp/151072365X" rel="nofollow">Obroni and the Chocolate Factory _</a>is Steven&#39;s chaotic, fascinating, and bemusing journey to create a successful international business that aspired to do a bit of good in the world. This book is at once a penetrating business memoir and a story about imagining globalism done right. Wallace&#39;s picaresque journey takes him to Ghana&#39;s residence for the head of state, to the Amsterdam offices of a secretive international cocoa conglomerate, and face-to-face with key figures in the sharp-elbowed world of global trade and geopolitics. Along the way he&#39;ll be forced to deal with bureaucratic roadblocks, a legacy of colonialism, corporate intrigue, inscrutable international politics, a Bond-esque villain nemesis, and constant uncertainty about whether he&#39;ll actually pull it off. This rollicking love letter to both Ghana and the world of business is a rare glimpse into the mind of an unusually literate and articulate entrepreneur.</p><p>Special Guest: Steven C. Wallace .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What country makes the best chocolate? Most people would answer &quot;Switzerland,&quot; or, if they&#39;re discerning, &quot;Belgium&quot; or &quot;France.&quot; But, how many cocoa trees grow in Zurich? Lyon? Antwerp? Shouldn&#39;t the country known for growing the best cocoa beans be the one that makes the best chocolate? So, captivated by theories of international trade but with precious little knowledge of cocoa or chocolate, Steven Wallace set out to build the Omanhene Cocoa Bean Company in Ghana―a country renowned for its cocoa and where Wallace spent part of his youth―in a quest to produce the world&#39;s first export-ready, single-origin chocolate bar. What followed would be the true story of an obroni―white person―from Wisconsin taking on the ultimate entrepreneurial challenge. </p>

<p>Written with sensitivity and devastating self-awareness, _<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Obroni-Chocolate-Factory-Unlikely-Globalization/dp/151072365X" rel="nofollow">Obroni and the Chocolate Factory _</a>is Steven&#39;s chaotic, fascinating, and bemusing journey to create a successful international business that aspired to do a bit of good in the world. This book is at once a penetrating business memoir and a story about imagining globalism done right. Wallace&#39;s picaresque journey takes him to Ghana&#39;s residence for the head of state, to the Amsterdam offices of a secretive international cocoa conglomerate, and face-to-face with key figures in the sharp-elbowed world of global trade and geopolitics. Along the way he&#39;ll be forced to deal with bureaucratic roadblocks, a legacy of colonialism, corporate intrigue, inscrutable international politics, a Bond-esque villain nemesis, and constant uncertainty about whether he&#39;ll actually pull it off. This rollicking love letter to both Ghana and the world of business is a rare glimpse into the mind of an unusually literate and articulate entrepreneur.</p><p>Special Guest: Steven C. Wallace .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 68: Sexual Harassment &amp; Sexual Desire, with Jocelyn Olcott</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2017 21:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In the wake of so many sexual harassment and sexual misconduct allegations, we here concerns of "sex panic" and McCarthyism from some cultural critics. Many of them are actual on the cultural left. Jocelyn Olcott and I talk about this and a host of related issues in this episode of Give and Take. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In the wake of so many sexual harassment and sexual misconduct allegations, we here concerns of &quot;sex panic&quot; and McCarthyism from some cultural critics. Many of them are actual on the cultural left. <a href="https://history.duke.edu/people/jocelyn-olcott" rel="nofollow">Jocelyn Olcott</a> and I talk about this and a host of related issues in this episode of Give and Take.</p>

<p>Jocelyn Olcott is Associate Professor of History and Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist Studies at Duke University. Mexico. Her first book, Revolutionary Women in Postrevolutionary Mexico, explores questions of gender and citizenship in the 1930s.  Her second book, International Women’s Year:  The Greatest Consciousness-Raising Event in History considers the history and legacies of the United Nation’s first world conference on women in 1975 in Mexico City (Oxford University Press, forthcoming Spring 2017).  Her current project, a biography of the activist and folksinger Concha Michel, a one-time Communist who became an icon of maternalist feminism and a vocal advocate for recognizing the economic importance of subsistence labors, is under contract with Duke University Press.  The book follows Michel&#39;s life story from the late nineteenth century to the late twentieth to examine the ways that the concept, labor, and policies surrounding “motherhood” articulated with major shifts in political-economic thought — from late-nineteenth-century liberalism to revolutionary nationalism, populism, modernization theory, dependency theory, and neoliberalism.</p><p>Special Guest: Jocelyn Olcott.</p>]]>
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<p>Jocelyn Olcott is Associate Professor of History and Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist Studies at Duke University. Mexico. Her first book, Revolutionary Women in Postrevolutionary Mexico, explores questions of gender and citizenship in the 1930s.  Her second book, International Women’s Year:  The Greatest Consciousness-Raising Event in History considers the history and legacies of the United Nation’s first world conference on women in 1975 in Mexico City (Oxford University Press, forthcoming Spring 2017).  Her current project, a biography of the activist and folksinger Concha Michel, a one-time Communist who became an icon of maternalist feminism and a vocal advocate for recognizing the economic importance of subsistence labors, is under contract with Duke University Press.  The book follows Michel&#39;s life story from the late nineteenth century to the late twentieth to examine the ways that the concept, labor, and policies surrounding “motherhood” articulated with major shifts in political-economic thought — from late-nineteenth-century liberalism to revolutionary nationalism, populism, modernization theory, dependency theory, and neoliberalism.</p><p>Special Guest: Jocelyn Olcott.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In the wake of so many sexual harassment and sexual misconduct allegations, we here concerns of &quot;sex panic&quot; and McCarthyism from some cultural critics. Many of them are actual on the cultural left. <a href="https://history.duke.edu/people/jocelyn-olcott" rel="nofollow">Jocelyn Olcott</a> and I talk about this and a host of related issues in this episode of Give and Take.</p>

<p>Jocelyn Olcott is Associate Professor of History and Gender, Sexuality, and Feminist Studies at Duke University. Mexico. Her first book, Revolutionary Women in Postrevolutionary Mexico, explores questions of gender and citizenship in the 1930s.  Her second book, International Women’s Year:  The Greatest Consciousness-Raising Event in History considers the history and legacies of the United Nation’s first world conference on women in 1975 in Mexico City (Oxford University Press, forthcoming Spring 2017).  Her current project, a biography of the activist and folksinger Concha Michel, a one-time Communist who became an icon of maternalist feminism and a vocal advocate for recognizing the economic importance of subsistence labors, is under contract with Duke University Press.  The book follows Michel&#39;s life story from the late nineteenth century to the late twentieth to examine the ways that the concept, labor, and policies surrounding “motherhood” articulated with major shifts in political-economic thought — from late-nineteenth-century liberalism to revolutionary nationalism, populism, modernization theory, dependency theory, and neoliberalism.</p><p>Special Guest: Jocelyn Olcott.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 67: Net Neutrality, with Jennifer Briney </title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2017 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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<p>Jennifer&#39;s podcast is <a href="https://congressionaldish.com" rel="nofollow">The Congressional Dish</a>. It&#39;s fantastic. </p>

<p>To find out more about this week&#39;s sponsor Effective Coffee you can head over to their website: <a href="https://www.effectivecoffee.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.effectivecoffee.com</a>. Don&#39;t forget to use this coupon code: giveandtake. You&#39;ll get 10 percent off your subscription for life! </p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.</p>]]>
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<p>Jennifer&#39;s podcast is <a href="https://congressionaldish.com" rel="nofollow">The Congressional Dish</a>. It&#39;s fantastic. </p>

<p>To find out more about this week&#39;s sponsor Effective Coffee you can head over to their website: <a href="https://www.effectivecoffee.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.effectivecoffee.com</a>. Don&#39;t forget to use this coupon code: giveandtake. You&#39;ll get 10 percent off your subscription for life! </p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Jennifer Briney. She&#39;s the creator and host of the wildly popular &quot;Congressional Dish&quot; podcast. It&#39;s like C-Span meets Comedy Central, resisting the corporate takeover of the world. We discuss the upcoming FCC decision concerning Net Neutrality and the impact it could have on consumers. </p>

<p>Jennifer&#39;s podcast is <a href="https://congressionaldish.com" rel="nofollow">The Congressional Dish</a>. It&#39;s fantastic. </p>

<p>To find out more about this week&#39;s sponsor Effective Coffee you can head over to their website: <a href="https://www.effectivecoffee.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.effectivecoffee.com</a>. Don&#39;t forget to use this coupon code: giveandtake. You&#39;ll get 10 percent off your subscription for life! </p><p>Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 66: Roy Moore and The Rise of Creepy Christianity, with David French</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David French. David is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. We discuss a recent piece he wrote entitled "The Enduring Appeal Of Creepy Christianity." It deals with the Roy Moore senate controversy. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:07:26</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David French. David is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. We discuss a recent piece he wrote entitled <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453729/roy-moore-christianity-built-on-fear" rel="nofollow">&quot;The Enduring Appeal Of Creepy Christianity.&quot;</a> It deals with the recent Roy Moore senate controversy. </p>

<p>David is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.</p>

<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french</a> </p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David French. David is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. We discuss a recent piece he wrote entitled <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453729/roy-moore-christianity-built-on-fear" rel="nofollow">&quot;The Enduring Appeal Of Creepy Christianity.&quot;</a> It deals with the recent Roy Moore senate controversy. </p>

<p>David is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.</p>

<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french</a> </p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David French. David is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. We discuss a recent piece he wrote entitled <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453729/roy-moore-christianity-built-on-fear" rel="nofollow">&quot;The Enduring Appeal Of Creepy Christianity.&quot;</a> It deals with the recent Roy Moore senate controversy. </p>

<p>David is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.</p>

<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french</a> </p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 65: Is That Rhetorical?..., with Johanna Hartelius</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2017 17:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Johanna Hartelius. She is a professor at the University of Pittsburgh.  Her research focuses on rhetorical theory and criticism with an emphasis on expertise, public memory, and digital rhetoric.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>33:17</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Johanna Hartelius. She is a professor at the University of Pittsburgh.  Her research focuses on rhetorical theory and criticism with an emphasis on expertise, public memory, and digital rhetoric. She studies the cultural and political implications of experts’ and laypersons’ rhetorical constructions of knowledge and experience, particularly as these constitute points of entry into public discourse, traditional and virtual. She is currently developing a book on experts and the digital commons.</p><p>Special Guest: Johanna Hartelius .</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Johanna Hartelius. She is a professor at the University of Pittsburgh.  Her research focuses on rhetorical theory and criticism with an emphasis on expertise, public memory, and digital rhetoric. She studies the cultural and political implications of experts’ and laypersons’ rhetorical constructions of knowledge and experience, particularly as these constitute points of entry into public discourse, traditional and virtual. She is currently developing a book on experts and the digital commons.</p><p>Special Guest: Johanna Hartelius .</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 64: Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America, with David Clary</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Clary. David is a news editor at The San Diego Union-Tribune and the author of “Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America,” published by Rutgers University Press on Oct. 30, 2017. The book explores how and why states have encouraged and promoted the expansion of legalized gambling in America. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:01</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David Clary is a news editor at The San Diego Union-Tribune and the author of “Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America,” published by Rutgers University Press on Oct. 30, 2017. The book explores how and why states have encouraged and promoted the expansion of legalized gambling in America. It is his first book.</p>

<p>Before joining the Union-Tribune in 2002, he worked in a variety of editing and design roles at The Plain Dealer in Cleveland. Clary is a native of Central New York, and is a graduate of Syracuse University with degrees in newspaper journalism and political science. He lives in La Mesa, Calif., with his wife, Jackie, and their two children.</p><p>Special Guest: David Clary.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David Clary is a news editor at The San Diego Union-Tribune and the author of “Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America,” published by Rutgers University Press on Oct. 30, 2017. The book explores how and why states have encouraged and promoted the expansion of legalized gambling in America. It is his first book.</p>

<p>Before joining the Union-Tribune in 2002, he worked in a variety of editing and design roles at The Plain Dealer in Cleveland. Clary is a native of Central New York, and is a graduate of Syracuse University with degrees in newspaper journalism and political science. He lives in La Mesa, Calif., with his wife, Jackie, and their two children.</p><p>Special Guest: David Clary.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David Clary is a news editor at The San Diego Union-Tribune and the author of “Gangsters to Governors: The New Bosses of Gambling in America,” published by Rutgers University Press on Oct. 30, 2017. The book explores how and why states have encouraged and promoted the expansion of legalized gambling in America. It is his first book.</p>

<p>Before joining the Union-Tribune in 2002, he worked in a variety of editing and design roles at The Plain Dealer in Cleveland. Clary is a native of Central New York, and is a graduate of Syracuse University with degrees in newspaper journalism and political science. He lives in La Mesa, Calif., with his wife, Jackie, and their two children.</p><p>Special Guest: David Clary.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 63: Babette's Feast, with Julia Beardsley O'Brien and Abigail Killeen</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2017 19:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Babette’s Feast tells the story of how a refugee transforms a closed religious community by sacrificing all she has to throw a lavish dinner party. Through her radical hospitality, this mysterious woman converts her guests’ deeply held notions of scarcity and judgment and opens them up to give and receive abundant grace. My guests, Julia Beardsley O'Brien and Abigail Kileen, have adapted the story for the stage. This adaptation re-imagines the story you thought you knew about Babette’s singular feast: deep, funny, dangerous, sensual, and beautiful.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:00:28</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Babette’s Feast tells the story of how a refugee transforms a closed religious community by sacrificing all she has to throw a lavish dinner party. Through her radical hospitality, this mysterious woman converts her guests’ deeply held notions of scarcity and judgment and opens them up to give and receive abundant grace. My guests, Julia Beardsley O&#39;Brien and Abigail Kileen, have adapted the story for the stage. This adaptation re-imagines the story you thought you knew about Babette’s singular feast: deep, funny, dangerous, sensual, and beautiful.</p><p>Special Guests: Abigail Kileen and Julia Beardsley O&#39;brien.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Babette’s Feast tells the story of how a refugee transforms a closed religious community by sacrificing all she has to throw a lavish dinner party. Through her radical hospitality, this mysterious woman converts her guests’ deeply held notions of scarcity and judgment and opens them up to give and receive abundant grace. My guests, Julia Beardsley O&#39;Brien and Abigail Kileen, have adapted the story for the stage. This adaptation re-imagines the story you thought you knew about Babette’s singular feast: deep, funny, dangerous, sensual, and beautiful.</p><p>Special Guests: Abigail Kileen and Julia Beardsley O&#39;brien.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Babette’s Feast tells the story of how a refugee transforms a closed religious community by sacrificing all she has to throw a lavish dinner party. Through her radical hospitality, this mysterious woman converts her guests’ deeply held notions of scarcity and judgment and opens them up to give and receive abundant grace. My guests, Julia Beardsley O&#39;Brien and Abigail Kileen, have adapted the story for the stage. This adaptation re-imagines the story you thought you knew about Babette’s singular feast: deep, funny, dangerous, sensual, and beautiful.</p><p>Special Guests: Abigail Kileen and Julia Beardsley O&#39;brien.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 62: Philadelphia: Finding The Hidden City, with Nathaniel Popkin</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. Why is Philadelphia the “Hidden City?” What makes it distinctive in the landscape of American cities? And why does it matter? These are the questions Hidden City Daily co-founders Peter Woodall and Nathaniel Popkin and Hidden City Festival photographer Joseph E.B. Elliott seek to answer in the new book, "Philadelphia: Finding the Hidden City."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>58:33</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. </p>

<p>Why is Philadelphia the “Hidden City?” What makes it distinctive in the landscape of American cities? And why does it matter? These are the questions Hidden City Daily co-founders Peter Woodall and Nathaniel Popkin and Hidden City Festival photographer Joseph E.B. Elliott seek to answer in the new book, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Philadelphia-Finding-Joseph-B-Elliott/dp/1439913005" rel="nofollow">Philadelphia: Finding the Hidden City</a></em>, just recently published by Temple University Press.</p>

<p>As the authors examine the historic reasons Philadelphia is the Hidden City, their essay and Elliott’s 110 photographs draw the reader inside, to discover the complexities and contradictions of Philadelphia’s sometimes misunderstood nature. Elliott’s photographs reveal the essence of 33 places around the city, including some hidden in plain sight. Take a journey to the Hidden City!</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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<p>Why is Philadelphia the “Hidden City?” What makes it distinctive in the landscape of American cities? And why does it matter? These are the questions Hidden City Daily co-founders Peter Woodall and Nathaniel Popkin and Hidden City Festival photographer Joseph E.B. Elliott seek to answer in the new book, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Philadelphia-Finding-Joseph-B-Elliott/dp/1439913005" rel="nofollow">Philadelphia: Finding the Hidden City</a></em>, just recently published by Temple University Press.</p>

<p>As the authors examine the historic reasons Philadelphia is the Hidden City, their essay and Elliott’s 110 photographs draw the reader inside, to discover the complexities and contradictions of Philadelphia’s sometimes misunderstood nature. Elliott’s photographs reveal the essence of 33 places around the city, including some hidden in plain sight. Take a journey to the Hidden City!</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Nathaniel Popkin. </p>

<p>Why is Philadelphia the “Hidden City?” What makes it distinctive in the landscape of American cities? And why does it matter? These are the questions Hidden City Daily co-founders Peter Woodall and Nathaniel Popkin and Hidden City Festival photographer Joseph E.B. Elliott seek to answer in the new book, <em><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Philadelphia-Finding-Joseph-B-Elliott/dp/1439913005" rel="nofollow">Philadelphia: Finding the Hidden City</a></em>, just recently published by Temple University Press.</p>

<p>As the authors examine the historic reasons Philadelphia is the Hidden City, their essay and Elliott’s 110 photographs draw the reader inside, to discover the complexities and contradictions of Philadelphia’s sometimes misunderstood nature. Elliott’s photographs reveal the essence of 33 places around the city, including some hidden in plain sight. Take a journey to the Hidden City!</p><p>Special Guest: Nathaniel Popkin.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 61: When Dust Becomes Mercy, with Tullian Tchividjian </title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Tullian Tchividjian is the grandson of Billy Graham. He's written several award winning books. He's been a celebrated preacher and pastor. Then his life fell apart. He lost his marriage and his church and he wanted to end it all. Then he found hope. If hope is what you need, this is the conversation for you. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>You can connect with Tullian at<a href="https://www.tullian.net" rel="nofollow"> https://www.tullian.net</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Tullian Tchividjian.</p>]]>
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<p>You can connect with Tullian at<a href="https://www.tullian.net" rel="nofollow"> https://www.tullian.net</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Tullian Tchividjian.</p>]]>
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<p>You can connect with Tullian at<a href="https://www.tullian.net" rel="nofollow"> https://www.tullian.net</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Tullian Tchividjian.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 60: The Zombie Gospel, with Danielle Strickland</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Danielle Strickland. Her newest book, "The Zombie Gospel", explores the spiritual and existential themes in the wildly popular television series "The Walking Dead."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Danielle Strickland. Her newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Gospel-Walking-Means-Human/dp/0830843892" rel="nofollow"><em>The Zombie Gospel</em></a>, explores the spiritual and existential themes in the wildly popular television series <em>The Walking Dead</em>.</p>

<p>Danielle J. Strickland serves the Salvation Army in Los Angeles as the western territorial social justice secretary. Her books include <em>Just Imagine: the Social Justice Agenda, The Liberating Truth: How Jesus Empowers Women, Boundless: Living Life in Overflow, and A Beautiful Mess: How God Recreates Our Lives</em>. Originally from Canada, Danielle has spent over twenty years serving the marginalized, bringing hope to those caught up in addictions and prostitution in back alleys, and exerting her influence in the halls of government to see laws changed and practices transformed so that people aren&#39;t trafficked and children aren&#39;t enslaved. She is also an ambassador for <em>Stop the Traffik</em> (a global anti-human trafficking campaign) and <em>Compassion International</em>. Danielle is passionately committed to seeing God&#39;s Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. She is married and is the mother of three boys.</p><p>Special Guest: Danielle Strickland.</p>]]>
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<p>Danielle J. Strickland serves the Salvation Army in Los Angeles as the western territorial social justice secretary. Her books include <em>Just Imagine: the Social Justice Agenda, The Liberating Truth: How Jesus Empowers Women, Boundless: Living Life in Overflow, and A Beautiful Mess: How God Recreates Our Lives</em>. Originally from Canada, Danielle has spent over twenty years serving the marginalized, bringing hope to those caught up in addictions and prostitution in back alleys, and exerting her influence in the halls of government to see laws changed and practices transformed so that people aren&#39;t trafficked and children aren&#39;t enslaved. She is also an ambassador for <em>Stop the Traffik</em> (a global anti-human trafficking campaign) and <em>Compassion International</em>. Danielle is passionately committed to seeing God&#39;s Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. She is married and is the mother of three boys.</p><p>Special Guest: Danielle Strickland.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Danielle Strickland. Her newest book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Gospel-Walking-Means-Human/dp/0830843892" rel="nofollow"><em>The Zombie Gospel</em></a>, explores the spiritual and existential themes in the wildly popular television series <em>The Walking Dead</em>.</p>

<p>Danielle J. Strickland serves the Salvation Army in Los Angeles as the western territorial social justice secretary. Her books include <em>Just Imagine: the Social Justice Agenda, The Liberating Truth: How Jesus Empowers Women, Boundless: Living Life in Overflow, and A Beautiful Mess: How God Recreates Our Lives</em>. Originally from Canada, Danielle has spent over twenty years serving the marginalized, bringing hope to those caught up in addictions and prostitution in back alleys, and exerting her influence in the halls of government to see laws changed and practices transformed so that people aren&#39;t trafficked and children aren&#39;t enslaved. She is also an ambassador for <em>Stop the Traffik</em> (a global anti-human trafficking campaign) and <em>Compassion International</em>. Danielle is passionately committed to seeing God&#39;s Kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. She is married and is the mother of three boys.</p><p>Special Guest: Danielle Strickland.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 59: Thanks, Obama...My Hopey, Changey White House Years, with David Litt</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>David Litt entered the White House in 2011 and left in 2016 as a special assistant to the president and senior presidential speechwriter. Described as the “comic muse for the president." Full of hilarious stories and told in a truly original voice, his first book, "Thanks, Obama" is an exciting debut about what it means – personally, professionally, and politically – to grow up.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>41:48</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David Litt entered the White House in 2011 and left in 2016 as a special assistant to the president and senior presidential speechwriter. Described as the “comic muse for the president,” David was the lead writer on four White House Correspondents’ Dinner presentations and has contributed jokes to President Obama’s speeches since 2009. He is currently the head writer/producer for Funny or Die’s office in Washington, DC. David has also written for <em>The Onion, McSweeney’s Internet Tendency, Cosmopolitan, Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, and the New York Times</em>. He lives in Washington with his girlfriend and their two goldfish, Humphrey and Camille. Full of hilarious stories and told in a truly original voice, his first book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Thanks-Obama-Hopey-Changey-White/dp/0062568450/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1508343668&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Thanks, Obama</a> is an exciting debut about what it means – personally, professionally, and politically – to grow up.</p><p>Special Guest: David Litt.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 58: Same Kind Of Different As Me, with Darren Moorman </title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2017 18:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Darren Moorman. He's produced numerous feature films. His most recent film, "Same Kind Of Difference As Me", premiers on October 20th. It stars Renee Zellweger, Greg Kinnear, Djimon Hounsou and John Voight. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:54</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Darren Moorman. He&#39;s produced numerous feature films. His most recent film, <a href="https://www.samekindofdifferentasme.com" rel="nofollow">Same Kind Of Difference As Me</a>, premiers on October 20th. It stars Renee Zellweger, Greg Kinnear, Djimon Hounsou and John Voight. It&#39;s based on The New York Times Bestseller that tells the story of a dangerous, homeless drifter who grew up picking cotton in virtual slavery, an upscale art dealer accustomed to the world of Armani and Chanel and a gutsy woman with a stubborn dream.</p><p>Special Guest: Darren Moorman.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 57: The American Religious Landscape, with Robert P. Jones</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2017 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest today is Robert P. Jones. He's the CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, and the author of several books, including "The End of White Christian America." The American religious landscape has undergone dramatic changes in the last decade and is more diverse today than at any time since modern sociological measurements began. PRRI’s 2016 American Values Atlas is the single largest survey of American religious and denominational identity ever conducted.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>40:40</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 56: Sucking Up: A Brief Consideration of Sycophancy, with Deborah &amp; Mark Parker</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guests are Deborah and Mark Parker. Deborah Parker is Professor of Italian at the University of Virginia. Mark Parker is Professor of English at James Madison University. They are coauthors of Inferno Revealed: From Dante to Dan Brown, and most recently, Sucking Up: A Brief Consideration of Sycophancy.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:35</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 55: How To Think: A Survival Guide For A World At Odds, With Alan Jacobs</title>
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      <title>Episode 54: Vintage Saints And Sinners, with Karen Wright Marsh</title>
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      <title>Episode 53: Havana Without Makeup, with Herman Portocarero</title>
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      <title>Episode 52: Midlife: A Philosophical Guide, with Kieran Setiya</title>
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      <title>Episode 51: Abandon Me, with Melissa Febos</title>
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      <title>Episode 50: Reading Jesus's Bible, with John Goldingay</title>
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      <title>Episode 49: Recapturing the Wonder: Transcendent Faith in a Disenchanted World, with Mike Cosper</title>
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<p>Prior to launching Harbor Media, Mike served as one of the founding pastors at Sojourn Church in Louisville, Kentucky, and launched Sojourn Music – a collective of musicians writing songs for the church. </p>

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<p>Prior to launching Harbor Media, Mike served as one of the founding pastors at Sojourn Church in Louisville, Kentucky, and launched Sojourn Music – a collective of musicians writing songs for the church. </p>

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<p>Prior to launching Harbor Media, Mike served as one of the founding pastors at Sojourn Church in Louisville, Kentucky, and launched Sojourn Music – a collective of musicians writing songs for the church. </p>

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      <title>Episode 48: Single, Gay, Christian (and celibate), with Gregory Coles</title>
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      <title>Episode 47: The Humanity of God, with Kenneth Tanner</title>
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      <title>Episode 46: The Brand/Design Connection, with MacKenzie Kuhns</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is MacKenzie Kuhns. She is the founder and owner of Stillz Design, a strategic design studio.  She has always loved creating, curating and the value of aesthetic and design, which is why she is passionate about helping small business owners communicate their passions and crafts through strategic design.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:12</itunes:duration>
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<p>To see her work or inquire about working with her visit her website: <a href="http://www.stilltzdesign.com" rel="nofollow">www.stilltzdesign.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: MacKenzie Kuhns.</p>]]>
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<p>To see her work or inquire about working with her visit her website: <a href="http://www.stilltzdesign.com" rel="nofollow">www.stilltzdesign.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: MacKenzie Kuhns.</p>]]>
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<p>To see her work or inquire about working with her visit her website: <a href="http://www.stilltzdesign.com" rel="nofollow">www.stilltzdesign.com</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: MacKenzie Kuhns.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 45: Money Talks, with Evan Money</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Evan Money. Evan in a bestselling author, Global Entrepreneur and Executive Producer of the ground breaking film "Words of Art." His most recent book is "Money Talks, Frustration Walks." </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Millions have seen Evan on ABC, NBC, CBS, The CW, Lifetime and Armed Forces Network, he has also been featured in Fast Company Magazine, SUCCESS Magazine, Delta Skyways &amp; even the British Tabloids.</p><p>Special Guest: Evan Money.</p>]]>
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<p>Millions have seen Evan on ABC, NBC, CBS, The CW, Lifetime and Armed Forces Network, he has also been featured in Fast Company Magazine, SUCCESS Magazine, Delta Skyways &amp; even the British Tabloids.</p><p>Special Guest: Evan Money.</p>]]>
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<p>Millions have seen Evan on ABC, NBC, CBS, The CW, Lifetime and Armed Forces Network, he has also been featured in Fast Company Magazine, SUCCESS Magazine, Delta Skyways &amp; even the British Tabloids.</p><p>Special Guest: Evan Money.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 44: White Privilege and the Myth of Equality, with Ken Wytsma</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Ken Wytsma. He is the lead pastor of global ministries at Antioch Church and is president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. His most recent book is "The Myth Of Equality: Uncovering the Roots of Injustice and Privilege."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>42:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Ken Wytsma.  He is the lead pastor of global ministries at Antioch Church and is president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. His most recent book is &quot;The Myth Of Equality: Uncovering the Roots of Injustice and Privilege.&quot; Ken is a leader, innovator, and social entrepreneur. His work takes him around the world as a frequent international speaker on justice, theology, and leadership. Ken is known for his depth of insight and ability to inspire others to think deeply about faith, life, and leadership. Publisher’s Weekly called Ken, “one of the new breed of evangelical Christians returning to scripture to redeem justice as a central tenet of faith.”</p>

<p>Ken is the founder of The Justice Conference, which has reached over thirty thousand people across seven countries with a message on a theology of justice and God’s call to give our lives away. He is also the lead pastor of global ministries at Antioch Church and is president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. Ken also served for several years as the executive director of a creative office for World Relief and has experience as a senior partner for a brand strategy and marketing firm.</p>

<p>Ken is the author of Pursuing Justice, The Grand Paradox, Create vs. Copy and The Myth of Equality. He has written widely, with articles appearing in RELEVANT Magazine, Huffington Post, Church Leaders, Worship Magazine and more. Ken lives in Bend, Oregon, with his wife, Tamara, and their four daughters.</p><p>Special Guest: Ken Wytsma.</p>]]>
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<p>Ken is the founder of The Justice Conference, which has reached over thirty thousand people across seven countries with a message on a theology of justice and God’s call to give our lives away. He is also the lead pastor of global ministries at Antioch Church and is president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. Ken also served for several years as the executive director of a creative office for World Relief and has experience as a senior partner for a brand strategy and marketing firm.</p>

<p>Ken is the author of Pursuing Justice, The Grand Paradox, Create vs. Copy and The Myth of Equality. He has written widely, with articles appearing in RELEVANT Magazine, Huffington Post, Church Leaders, Worship Magazine and more. Ken lives in Bend, Oregon, with his wife, Tamara, and their four daughters.</p><p>Special Guest: Ken Wytsma.</p>]]>
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<p>Ken is the founder of The Justice Conference, which has reached over thirty thousand people across seven countries with a message on a theology of justice and God’s call to give our lives away. He is also the lead pastor of global ministries at Antioch Church and is president of Kilns College, where he teaches courses on philosophy and justice. Ken also served for several years as the executive director of a creative office for World Relief and has experience as a senior partner for a brand strategy and marketing firm.</p>

<p>Ken is the author of Pursuing Justice, The Grand Paradox, Create vs. Copy and The Myth of Equality. He has written widely, with articles appearing in RELEVANT Magazine, Huffington Post, Church Leaders, Worship Magazine and more. Ken lives in Bend, Oregon, with his wife, Tamara, and their four daughters.</p><p>Special Guest: Ken Wytsma.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 43: No Longer Alone, with Melinda Inman </title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2017 21:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Melinda Viergever Inman is a prodigal with a passion to write. She authors fiction illustrating God's love for wounded people, making beauty of ashes. The most recent of her three novels is "No Longer Alone." It's based on a true story. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Melinda vigorously pursued the task of educating her six rambunctious and precocious children for twenty-eight years. A full and busy life crowded out serious writing. Writing then consisted of the many journals she kept. Now all her children are launched into adulthood, and she has embarked on a full-time writing career. Writing is her ministry.</p>

<p>After receiving an intensive theological education from her church, in 2005 her pastor invited her to write the church’s bible-study material. Since then, she has created these resources. Each year, they are published by her church. She will soon market her bible studies on her website, where she authors a bi-weekly inspirational blog – <a href="http://melindainman.com" rel="nofollow">http://melindainman.com</a>. Melinda shepherds women in bible study and prison ministry, and she engages in theological studies via Trinity Seminary. She has been published by David C. Cook and Christian Devotions.</p><p>Special Guest: Melinda Inman.</p>]]>
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<p>Melinda vigorously pursued the task of educating her six rambunctious and precocious children for twenty-eight years. A full and busy life crowded out serious writing. Writing then consisted of the many journals she kept. Now all her children are launched into adulthood, and she has embarked on a full-time writing career. Writing is her ministry.</p>

<p>After receiving an intensive theological education from her church, in 2005 her pastor invited her to write the church’s bible-study material. Since then, she has created these resources. Each year, they are published by her church. She will soon market her bible studies on her website, where she authors a bi-weekly inspirational blog – <a href="http://melindainman.com" rel="nofollow">http://melindainman.com</a>. Melinda shepherds women in bible study and prison ministry, and she engages in theological studies via Trinity Seminary. She has been published by David C. Cook and Christian Devotions.</p><p>Special Guest: Melinda Inman.</p>]]>
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<p>Melinda vigorously pursued the task of educating her six rambunctious and precocious children for twenty-eight years. A full and busy life crowded out serious writing. Writing then consisted of the many journals she kept. Now all her children are launched into adulthood, and she has embarked on a full-time writing career. Writing is her ministry.</p>

<p>After receiving an intensive theological education from her church, in 2005 her pastor invited her to write the church’s bible-study material. Since then, she has created these resources. Each year, they are published by her church. She will soon market her bible studies on her website, where she authors a bi-weekly inspirational blog – <a href="http://melindainman.com" rel="nofollow">http://melindainman.com</a>. Melinda shepherds women in bible study and prison ministry, and she engages in theological studies via Trinity Seminary. She has been published by David C. Cook and Christian Devotions.</p><p>Special Guest: Melinda Inman.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 42: Nurture The Wow, with Danya Ruttenberg</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Scott Jones</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>Danya Ruttenberg writes books about the messy business of trying to be a person in the world, and how spirituality can inform and transform that work. Sometimes that’s about parenting, sometimes feminism, sex, God, justice, or joy. Her most recent book, "Nurture The Wow", has just been released in paperback. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:38</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Danya Ruttenberg writes books about the messy business of trying to be a person in the world, and how spirituality can inform and transform that work. Sometimes that’s about parenting, sometimes feminism, sex, God, justice, or joy. Her most recent book, &quot;Nurture The Wow&quot;, has just been released in paperback. She’s a highly-sought keynote speaker and lecturer who has been named by Newsweek and The Daily Beast as one of ten “rabbis to watch,” and one of the top 50 most influential women rabbis.</p><p>Special Guest: Danya Ruttenberg.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Danya Ruttenberg writes books about the messy business of trying to be a person in the world, and how spirituality can inform and transform that work. Sometimes that’s about parenting, sometimes feminism, sex, God, justice, or joy. Her most recent book, &quot;Nurture The Wow&quot;, has just been released in paperback. She’s a highly-sought keynote speaker and lecturer who has been named by Newsweek and The Daily Beast as one of ten “rabbis to watch,” and one of the top 50 most influential women rabbis.</p><p>Special Guest: Danya Ruttenberg.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Danya Ruttenberg writes books about the messy business of trying to be a person in the world, and how spirituality can inform and transform that work. Sometimes that’s about parenting, sometimes feminism, sex, God, justice, or joy. Her most recent book, &quot;Nurture The Wow&quot;, has just been released in paperback. She’s a highly-sought keynote speaker and lecturer who has been named by Newsweek and The Daily Beast as one of ten “rabbis to watch,” and one of the top 50 most influential women rabbis.</p><p>Special Guest: Danya Ruttenberg.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 41: Girls Gone Old, with Fiona Helmsley</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Fiona Helmsley. Her most recent book of essays is entitled "Girls Gone Old." </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Fiona Helmsley. Her most recent book of essays is entitled &quot;Girls Gone Old.&quot; Her writing can be found online at websites like The Rumpus, Jezebel, The Weeklings, The Hairpin, PANK and in various anthologies like Ladyland and The Best Sex Writing of the Year. A multiple Pushcart nominee, her book of essays and stories, My Body Would be the Kindest of Strangers was released in 2015. She is an MFA candidate at L’École de Merde.</p><p>Special Guest: Fiona Helmsley.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Fiona Helmsley. Her most recent book of essays is entitled &quot;Girls Gone Old.&quot; Her writing can be found online at websites like The Rumpus, Jezebel, The Weeklings, The Hairpin, PANK and in various anthologies like Ladyland and The Best Sex Writing of the Year. A multiple Pushcart nominee, her book of essays and stories, My Body Would be the Kindest of Strangers was released in 2015. She is an MFA candidate at L’École de Merde.</p><p>Special Guest: Fiona Helmsley.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Fiona Helmsley. Her most recent book of essays is entitled &quot;Girls Gone Old.&quot; Her writing can be found online at websites like The Rumpus, Jezebel, The Weeklings, The Hairpin, PANK and in various anthologies like Ladyland and The Best Sex Writing of the Year. A multiple Pushcart nominee, her book of essays and stories, My Body Would be the Kindest of Strangers was released in 2015. She is an MFA candidate at L’École de Merde.</p><p>Special Guest: Fiona Helmsley.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 40: What Is Neo-Liberalism &amp; Why It Matters, with Michael Konczal</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Mike Konczal. He is a Fellow with the Roosevelt Institute, where he works on financial reform, unemployment, inequality, and a progressive vision of the economy. He has recently written some pieces for Vox on Neo-Liberalism, which were the subject of our conversation. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:41</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mike Konczal. He is a Fellow with the Roosevelt Institute, where he works on financial reform, unemployment, inequality, and a progressive vision of the economy. He has recently written some pieces for Vox on Neo-Liberalism, which were the subject of our conversation. </p>

<p>You can find Mike&#39;s pieces on Neo-Liberalism here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/18/15992226/neoliberalism-chait-austerity-democratic-party-sanders-clinton" rel="nofollow">https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/18/15992226/neoliberalism-chait-austerity-democratic-party-sanders-clinton</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/7/15930996/stock-market-democrats-wilderness-strategy-economics" rel="nofollow">https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/7/15930996/stock-market-democrats-wilderness-strategy-economics</a></p>

<p>You can find more of his writings here:</p>

<p><a href="https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/portfolio/" rel="nofollow">https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/portfolio/</a></p><p>Special Guest: Mike Konczal.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mike Konczal. He is a Fellow with the Roosevelt Institute, where he works on financial reform, unemployment, inequality, and a progressive vision of the economy. He has recently written some pieces for Vox on Neo-Liberalism, which were the subject of our conversation. </p>

<p>You can find Mike&#39;s pieces on Neo-Liberalism here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/18/15992226/neoliberalism-chait-austerity-democratic-party-sanders-clinton" rel="nofollow">https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/18/15992226/neoliberalism-chait-austerity-democratic-party-sanders-clinton</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/7/15930996/stock-market-democrats-wilderness-strategy-economics" rel="nofollow">https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/7/15930996/stock-market-democrats-wilderness-strategy-economics</a></p>

<p>You can find more of his writings here:</p>

<p><a href="https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/portfolio/" rel="nofollow">https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/portfolio/</a></p><p>Special Guest: Mike Konczal.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Mike Konczal. He is a Fellow with the Roosevelt Institute, where he works on financial reform, unemployment, inequality, and a progressive vision of the economy. He has recently written some pieces for Vox on Neo-Liberalism, which were the subject of our conversation. </p>

<p>You can find Mike&#39;s pieces on Neo-Liberalism here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/18/15992226/neoliberalism-chait-austerity-democratic-party-sanders-clinton" rel="nofollow">https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/18/15992226/neoliberalism-chait-austerity-democratic-party-sanders-clinton</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/7/15930996/stock-market-democrats-wilderness-strategy-economics" rel="nofollow">https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/7/7/15930996/stock-market-democrats-wilderness-strategy-economics</a></p>

<p>You can find more of his writings here:</p>

<p><a href="https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/portfolio/" rel="nofollow">https://rortybomb.wordpress.com/portfolio/</a></p><p>Special Guest: Mike Konczal.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 39: Game of Thrones and the Games Politicians Play, with David French </title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David French. He is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He also knows a lot about Game of Thrones. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:09:56</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He also knows a lot about Game of Thrones. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of <em>ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore</em>. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.</p>

<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french</a></p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He also knows a lot about Game of Thrones. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of <em>ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore</em>. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.</p>

<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french</a></p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He also knows a lot about Game of Thrones. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of <em>ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore</em>. He is a graduate of Harvard Law School, the past president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), and a former lecturer at Cornell Law School. He has served as a senior counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice and the Alliance Defending Freedom. David is a former major in the United States Army Reserve (IRR). In 2007, he deployed to Iraq, serving in Diyala Province as Squadron Judge Advocate for the 2nd Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, where he was awarded the Bronze Star. He lives and works in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy (who is also a New York Times bestselling author), and three children.</p>

<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/author/david-french</a></p><p>Special Guest: David French.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 38: Live Show At The Philly Podcast Festival, with Peter Crimmins</title>
      <link>https://giveandtake.fireside.fm/38</link>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2017 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Peter Crimmins, Arts &amp; Culture reporter for WHYY, Philadelphia's NPR affialite station. This show was taped live at the Philadelphia Podcast Festival. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>46:03</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Peter Crimmins, Arts &amp; Culture reporter for WHYY, Philadelphia&#39;s NPR affialite station. This show was taped live at the Philadelphia Podcast Festival. </p>

<p>You can find out more about the Philadelphia Podcast Festival here: <a href="http://www.phillypodfest.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.phillypodfest.com</a>.</p>

<p>Special thanks to the Tattooed Mom for hosting the show (<a href="https://www.tattooedmomphilly.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.tattooedmomphilly.com</a>) and to BridgeSet Sound (<a href="https://bridgesetsound.com" rel="nofollow">https://bridgesetsound.com</a>) for recording the audio. </p><p>Special Guest: Peter Crimmins.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Peter Crimmins, Arts &amp; Culture reporter for WHYY, Philadelphia&#39;s NPR affialite station. This show was taped live at the Philadelphia Podcast Festival. </p>

<p>You can find out more about the Philadelphia Podcast Festival here: <a href="http://www.phillypodfest.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.phillypodfest.com</a>.</p>

<p>Special thanks to the Tattooed Mom for hosting the show (<a href="https://www.tattooedmomphilly.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.tattooedmomphilly.com</a>) and to BridgeSet Sound (<a href="https://bridgesetsound.com" rel="nofollow">https://bridgesetsound.com</a>) for recording the audio. </p><p>Special Guest: Peter Crimmins.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Peter Crimmins, Arts &amp; Culture reporter for WHYY, Philadelphia&#39;s NPR affialite station. This show was taped live at the Philadelphia Podcast Festival. </p>

<p>You can find out more about the Philadelphia Podcast Festival here: <a href="http://www.phillypodfest.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.phillypodfest.com</a>.</p>

<p>Special thanks to the Tattooed Mom for hosting the show (<a href="https://www.tattooedmomphilly.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.tattooedmomphilly.com</a>) and to BridgeSet Sound (<a href="https://bridgesetsound.com" rel="nofollow">https://bridgesetsound.com</a>) for recording the audio. </p><p>Special Guest: Peter Crimmins.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 37: Strange Beauty, with Eliza Factor</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Eliza Factor. Her most recent book is a memoir entitled "Strange Beauty."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>49:53</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Eliza factor. Eliza Factor is author of the acclaimed novels &quot;The Mercury Fountain&quot;, &quot;Love Maps&quot; and most recently a memoir entitled &quot;Strange Beauty.&quot; Eliza and her husband have three children, the eldest of whom is multiply disabled. She is founder and President of the Board of Extreme Kids &amp; Crew, a non profit community center that connects families with children with disabilities through the arts, music and play in Brooklyn. Factor was named New Yorker of the Week by NY1 in 2012 for creating the city&#39;s first drop in sensory playspace for children with disabilities. Eliza Factor lives in Brooklyn with her family.</p><p>Special Guest: Eliza Factor.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Eliza factor. Eliza Factor is author of the acclaimed novels &quot;The Mercury Fountain&quot;, &quot;Love Maps&quot; and most recently a memoir entitled &quot;Strange Beauty.&quot; Eliza and her husband have three children, the eldest of whom is multiply disabled. She is founder and President of the Board of Extreme Kids &amp; Crew, a non profit community center that connects families with children with disabilities through the arts, music and play in Brooklyn. Factor was named New Yorker of the Week by NY1 in 2012 for creating the city&#39;s first drop in sensory playspace for children with disabilities. Eliza Factor lives in Brooklyn with her family.</p><p>Special Guest: Eliza Factor.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is Eliza factor. Eliza Factor is author of the acclaimed novels &quot;The Mercury Fountain&quot;, &quot;Love Maps&quot; and most recently a memoir entitled &quot;Strange Beauty.&quot; Eliza and her husband have three children, the eldest of whom is multiply disabled. She is founder and President of the Board of Extreme Kids &amp; Crew, a non profit community center that connects families with children with disabilities through the arts, music and play in Brooklyn. Factor was named New Yorker of the Week by NY1 in 2012 for creating the city&#39;s first drop in sensory playspace for children with disabilities. Eliza Factor lives in Brooklyn with her family.</p><p>Special Guest: Eliza Factor.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 36: Faithful Presence, with David Fitch</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2017 19:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>scottkentjones@gmail.com (Scott Jones)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is David Fitch. He's a pastor, theologian and author of numerous books. His most recent book is "Faithful Presence: How God Shapes the Church for the Sake of the World. "</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>1:19:27</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Fitch. He&#39;s a pastor, theologian and author of numerous books. His most recent book is &quot;Faithful Presence: How God Shapes the Church for the Sake of the World. &quot;</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Fitch. He&#39;s a pastor, theologian and author of numerous books. His most recent book is &quot;Faithful Presence: How God Shapes the Church for the Sake of the World. &quot;</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest is David Fitch. He&#39;s a pastor, theologian and author of numerous books. His most recent book is &quot;Faithful Presence: How God Shapes the Church for the Sake of the World. &quot;</p><p>Special Guest: David Fitch.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="http://www.seminary.edu/faculty/david-fitch/" role="guest">David Fitch</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 34: All The Beautiful People We Once Knew, With Edward Carlson</title>
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      <title>Episode 33: Evolution 2.0, with Perry Marshall</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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<p>His newest book, &quot;Evolution 2.0&quot;,  builds its case on standard, peer reviewed mainstream research. It seeks to resolve the conflict between Darwin and Design, opening new avenues of science research and raising tantalizing new questions. Perry’s work in digital communication networks, control systems, acoustics and e-commerce bring practical insight to questions about nature and science. His books include 80/20 Sales &amp; Marketing, Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords, and Industrial Ethernet.</p>

<p>He has a degree in Electrical Engineering. He’s consulted in over 300 industries, from computer hardware and software to biotech and health care.</p><p>Special Guest: Perry Marshall.</p>]]>
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<p>His newest book, &quot;Evolution 2.0&quot;,  builds its case on standard, peer reviewed mainstream research. It seeks to resolve the conflict between Darwin and Design, opening new avenues of science research and raising tantalizing new questions. Perry’s work in digital communication networks, control systems, acoustics and e-commerce bring practical insight to questions about nature and science. His books include 80/20 Sales &amp; Marketing, Ultimate Guide to Google AdWords, and Industrial Ethernet.</p>

<p>He has a degree in Electrical Engineering. He’s consulted in over 300 industries, from computer hardware and software to biotech and health care.</p><p>Special Guest: Perry Marshall.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 32: International Women's Year: The Greatest Consciousness-Raising Event In History, with Jocelyn Olcott</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:duration>1:06:31</itunes:duration>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://history.duke.edu/people/jocelyn-olcott" role="guest">Jocelyn Olcott</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 31: Singer, Songwriter and Playwright Jim Knable</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Episode 30: Movies Are Prayers, with Josh Larsen</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest is Josh Larsen, host of the "Filmspotting" podcast and author of "Movies Are Prayers: How Films Voice Our Deepest Longings."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>36:11</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 29: Embodied Hope: A Theological Meditation on Pain and Suffering, with Kelly Kapic</title>
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      <itunes:duration>49:20</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 28: The Collapse of American Identity, with Robert P. Jones</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2017 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:duration>40:40</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 27: The Congressional Dish, with Jennifer Briney</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 27 May 2017 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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You can find Karen&#39;s article for Christianity today here: <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2017/may/how-to-love-your-ideological-enemy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianitytoday.com/women/2017/may/how-to-love-your-ideological-enemy.html</a>.</p><p>Special Guest: Karen Swallow Prior.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 25: Cancer Is Funny, with Jason Micheli</title>
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      <title>Episode 24: The Vulnerable Pastor, with Mandy Smith</title>
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      <title>Episode 23: Talking Life, Loss and Love, with Jace Broadhurst</title>
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      <itunes:duration>1:04:40</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 22: What's Your Story? Seeing Your Life Through God’s Eyes, with Sarah Heath</title>
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      <title>Episode 20: Reclaiming Hope, with Michael Wear</title>
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      <title>Episode 19: Getting Jesus Wrong, with Matt Johnson</title>
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      <title>Episode 16: Mel Talks, with Melissa Shoshahi</title>
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<p>Melissa’s creativity and writing are showcased on Nickelodeon’s NickMom channel, her stand-up has been featured on the TV show Laughs on FOX, she is a NACA showcase artist performing at universities throughout the country, has her weekly podcast Mel Talk on iTunes and can currently be seen in the upcoming indie flick Lost in Austin. Festival credits include the San Francisco Comedy Competition, She Devil Comedy Festival in NY, Westside Comedy Competition and Desi Comedy Festival in San Francisco.</p><p>Special Guest: Melissa Shoshahi.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 15: Religionless Christianity, with Jeffrey Pugh</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2017 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest today is Jeffrey Pugh. He is the Maude Sharpe Powell Professor of Religious Studies at Elon University. He's written numerous books, including "Religionless Christianity: Dietrich Bonhoeffer in Troubled Times".</itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 14: The Return of the Strong Gods, with R.R. Reno</title>
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      <itunes:duration>59:27</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 13: Liturgy of the Ordinary, with Tish Harrison Warren</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest today is Tish Harrison Warren. She's an Anglican priest and the author of "Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practice in Everyday Life". She and her husband Jonathan (who is also an Anglican priest) live in Pittsburgh with their two young daughters in a house chock full of books with no matching forks or matching socks anywhere to be found. 
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        <![CDATA[<p>My guest today is Tish Harrison Warren. She&#39;s an Anglican priest and the author of &quot;Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practice in Everyday Life&quot;. She and her husband Jonathan (who is also an Anglican priest) live in Pittsburgh with their two young daughters in a house chock full of books with no matching forks or matching socks anywhere to be found. </p><p>Special Guest: Tish Harrison Warren.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 12: Savage Love...With Dan Savage (Who Else?)</title>
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      <title>Episode 11: Why Don't Democrats Take Religion Seriously?, and Other Big Questions...with The Atlantic's Emma Green</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest today is Emma Green. Emma is a staff writer at ​The Atlantic, where she covers politics, policy, and religion. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <title>Episode 9: Reclaiming The Word "Jew", with Mark Oppenheimer</title>
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      <title>Episode 8: The Bible For Normal People, With Pete Enns</title>
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      <title>Episode 7: Talking Religion and Politics with Molly Worthen</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Today's guest is Molly Worthen. Molly is a historian whose specializes in American religious intellectual history. She also is a contributing Op-Ed writer for the NY Times. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Show Notes:<br>
Below are links to two of Molly Worthen&#39;s NY Times op-ed pieces that are referenced in the conversation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opinion/sunday/the-evangelical-roots-of-our-post-truth-society.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opinion/sunday/the-evangelical-roots-of-our-post-truth-society.html?_r=0</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fmolly-worthen&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=collection" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fmolly-worthen&amp;action=click&amp;contentCollection=opinion&amp;region=stream&amp;module=stream_unit&amp;version=latest&amp;contentPlacement=6&amp;pgtype=collection</a></p><p>Special Guest: Molly Worthen.</p>]]>
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<p>Show Notes:<br>
Below are links to two of Molly Worthen&#39;s NY Times op-ed pieces that are referenced in the conversation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opinion/sunday/the-evangelical-roots-of-our-post-truth-society.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opinion/sunday/the-evangelical-roots-of-our-post-truth-society.html?_r=0</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fmolly-worthen&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=collection" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fmolly-worthen&amp;action=click&amp;contentCollection=opinion&amp;region=stream&amp;module=stream_unit&amp;version=latest&amp;contentPlacement=6&amp;pgtype=collection</a></p><p>Special Guest: Molly Worthen.</p>]]>
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<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opinion/sunday/the-evangelical-roots-of-our-post-truth-society.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/opinion/sunday/the-evangelical-roots-of-our-post-truth-society.html?_r=0</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fmolly-worthen&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=collection" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fmolly-worthen&amp;action=click&amp;contentCollection=opinion&amp;region=stream&amp;module=stream_unit&amp;version=latest&amp;contentPlacement=6&amp;pgtype=collection</a></p><p>Special Guest: Molly Worthen.</p>]]>
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      <title>Everything Belongs To Us, With Yoojin Grace Wuertz</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Today's guest is Yoojin Grace Wuertz. In her debut novel, "Everything Belongs To Us", two young women of vastly different means each struggle to find her own way during the darkest hours of South Korea’s “economic miracle” in a striking debut novel for readers of Anthony Marra and Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>Seoul, 1978. At South Korea’s top university, the nation’s best and brightest compete to join the professional elite of an authoritarian regime. Success could lead to a life of rarefied privilege and wealth; failure means being left irrevocably behind.</p>

<p>For childhood friends Jisun and Namin, the stakes couldn’t be more different. Jisun, the daughter of a powerful business mogul, grew up on a mountainside estate with lush gardens and a dedicated chauffeur. Namin’s parents run a tented food cart from dawn to curfew; her sister works in a shoe factory. Now Jisun wants as little to do with her father’s world as possible, abandoning her schoolwork in favor of the underground activist movement, while Namin studies tirelessly in the service of one goal: to launch herself and her family out of poverty.</p>

<p>But everything changes when Jisun and Namin meet an ambitious, charming student named Sunam, whose need to please his family has led him to a prestigious club: the Circle. Under the influence of his mentor, Juno, a manipulative social climber, Sunam becomes entangled with both women, as they all make choices that will change their lives forever.</p>

<p>In this sweeping yet intimate debut, Yoojin Grace Wuertz details four intertwining lives that are rife with turmoil and desire, private anxieties and public betrayals, dashed hopes and broken dreams—while a nation moves toward prosperity at any cost.</p><p>Special Guest: Yoojin Grace Wuertz.</p>]]>
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<p>But everything changes when Jisun and Namin meet an ambitious, charming student named Sunam, whose need to please his family has led him to a prestigious club: the Circle. Under the influence of his mentor, Juno, a manipulative social climber, Sunam becomes entangled with both women, as they all make choices that will change their lives forever.</p>

<p>In this sweeping yet intimate debut, Yoojin Grace Wuertz details four intertwining lives that are rife with turmoil and desire, private anxieties and public betrayals, dashed hopes and broken dreams—while a nation moves toward prosperity at any cost.</p><p>Special Guest: Yoojin Grace Wuertz.</p>]]>
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<p>Seoul, 1978. At South Korea’s top university, the nation’s best and brightest compete to join the professional elite of an authoritarian regime. Success could lead to a life of rarefied privilege and wealth; failure means being left irrevocably behind.</p>

<p>For childhood friends Jisun and Namin, the stakes couldn’t be more different. Jisun, the daughter of a powerful business mogul, grew up on a mountainside estate with lush gardens and a dedicated chauffeur. Namin’s parents run a tented food cart from dawn to curfew; her sister works in a shoe factory. Now Jisun wants as little to do with her father’s world as possible, abandoning her schoolwork in favor of the underground activist movement, while Namin studies tirelessly in the service of one goal: to launch herself and her family out of poverty.</p>

<p>But everything changes when Jisun and Namin meet an ambitious, charming student named Sunam, whose need to please his family has led him to a prestigious club: the Circle. Under the influence of his mentor, Juno, a manipulative social climber, Sunam becomes entangled with both women, as they all make choices that will change their lives forever.</p>

<p>In this sweeping yet intimate debut, Yoojin Grace Wuertz details four intertwining lives that are rife with turmoil and desire, private anxieties and public betrayals, dashed hopes and broken dreams—while a nation moves toward prosperity at any cost.</p><p>Special Guest: Yoojin Grace Wuertz.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 5: Things To Do When You're Goth  In The Country</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>My guest today is Chavisa Woods. She's a Brooklyn based award winning literary writer. Her most recent book, "Things To Do When You're Goth In The Country &amp; Other Stories" comes out in May of 2017.</itunes:subtitle>
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