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<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 105: Phillis Wheatley Peters, "To the Earl of Dartmouth"</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Today, joined by Professor Kirsten Lee, we read a poem about freedom written on the eve of the American Revolution by Phillis Wheatley, the first African American to publish a book of poetry. In praise to the new British Secretary of State, she guides him how to rule while tying an American love of Freedom to her own personal experience of enslavement.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p><strong>To the Right Honorable William, Earl of Dartmouth</strong></p>

<p>By Phillis Wheatley</p>

<p>Hail, happy day, when, smiling like the morn,<br>
Fair Freedom rose New-England to adorn:<br>
The northern clime beneath her genial ray,<br>
Dartmouth, congratulates thy blissful sway:<br>
Elate with hope her race no longer mourns,<br>
Each soul expands, each grateful bosom burns,<br>
While in thine hand with pleasure we behold<br>
The silken reins, and Freedom&#39;s charms unfold.<br>
Long lost to realms beneath the northern skies</p>

<p>She shines supreme, while hated faction dies:<br>
Soon as appear&#39;d the Goddess long desir&#39;d,<br>
Sick at the view, she languish&#39;d and expir&#39;d;<br>
Thus from the splendors of the morning light<br>
The owl in sadness seeks the caves of night.<br>
No more, America, in mournful strain<br>
Of wrongs, and grievance unredress&#39;d complain,<br>
No longer shalt thou dread the iron chain,<br>
Which wanton Tyranny with lawless hand<br>
Had made, and with it meant t&#39; enslave the land.</p>

<p>Should you, my lord, while you peruse my song,<br>
Wonder from whence my love of Freedom sprung,<br>
Whence flow these wishes for the common good,<br>
By feeling hearts alone best understood,<br>
I, young in life, by seeming cruel fate<br>
Was snatch&#39;d from Afric&#39;s fancy&#39;d happy seat:<br>
What pangs excruciating must molest,<br>
What sorrows labour in my parent&#39;s breast?<br>
Steel&#39;d was that soul and by no misery mov&#39;d<br>
That from a father seiz&#39;d his babe belov&#39;d:<br>
Such, such my case. And can I then but pray<br>
Others may never feel tyrannic sway?</p>

<p>For favours past, great Sir, our thanks are due,<br>
And thee we ask thy favours to renew,<br>
Since in thy pow&#39;r, as in thy will before,<br>
To sooth the griefs, which thou did&#39;st once deplore.<br>
May heav&#39;nly grace the sacred sanction give<br>
To all thy works, and thou for ever live<br>
Not only on the wings of fleeting Fame,<br>
Though praise immortal crowns the patriot&#39;s name,<br>
But to conduct to heav&#39;ns refulgent fane,<br>
May fiery coursers sweep th&#39; ethereal plain,<br>
And bear thee upwards to that blest abode,<br>
Where, like the prophet, thou shalt find thy God.</p>

<p>For more on Wheatley, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/phillis-wheatley" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/phillis-wheatley</a></p>

<p>For more on Professor Kirsten Lee, see her website: <a href="https://cla.auburn.edu/directory/kirsten-lee/" rel="nofollow">https://cla.auburn.edu/directory/kirsten-lee/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Today, joined by Professor Kirsten Lee, we read a poem about freedom written on the eve of the American Revolution by Phillis Wheatley, the first African American to publish a book of poetry. In praise to the new British Secretary of State, she guides him how to rule while tying an American love of Freedom to her own personal experience of enslavement.</p>

<p><strong>To the Right Honorable William, Earl of Dartmouth</strong></p>

<p>By Phillis Wheatley</p>

<p>Hail, happy day, when, smiling like the morn,<br>
Fair Freedom rose New-England to adorn:<br>
The northern clime beneath her genial ray,<br>
Dartmouth, congratulates thy blissful sway:<br>
Elate with hope her race no longer mourns,<br>
Each soul expands, each grateful bosom burns,<br>
While in thine hand with pleasure we behold<br>
The silken reins, and Freedom&#39;s charms unfold.<br>
Long lost to realms beneath the northern skies</p>

<p>She shines supreme, while hated faction dies:<br>
Soon as appear&#39;d the Goddess long desir&#39;d,<br>
Sick at the view, she languish&#39;d and expir&#39;d;<br>
Thus from the splendors of the morning light<br>
The owl in sadness seeks the caves of night.<br>
No more, America, in mournful strain<br>
Of wrongs, and grievance unredress&#39;d complain,<br>
No longer shalt thou dread the iron chain,<br>
Which wanton Tyranny with lawless hand<br>
Had made, and with it meant t&#39; enslave the land.</p>

<p>Should you, my lord, while you peruse my song,<br>
Wonder from whence my love of Freedom sprung,<br>
Whence flow these wishes for the common good,<br>
By feeling hearts alone best understood,<br>
I, young in life, by seeming cruel fate<br>
Was snatch&#39;d from Afric&#39;s fancy&#39;d happy seat:<br>
What pangs excruciating must molest,<br>
What sorrows labour in my parent&#39;s breast?<br>
Steel&#39;d was that soul and by no misery mov&#39;d<br>
That from a father seiz&#39;d his babe belov&#39;d:<br>
Such, such my case. And can I then but pray<br>
Others may never feel tyrannic sway?</p>

<p>For favours past, great Sir, our thanks are due,<br>
And thee we ask thy favours to renew,<br>
Since in thy pow&#39;r, as in thy will before,<br>
To sooth the griefs, which thou did&#39;st once deplore.<br>
May heav&#39;nly grace the sacred sanction give<br>
To all thy works, and thou for ever live<br>
Not only on the wings of fleeting Fame,<br>
Though praise immortal crowns the patriot&#39;s name,<br>
But to conduct to heav&#39;ns refulgent fane,<br>
May fiery coursers sweep th&#39; ethereal plain,<br>
And bear thee upwards to that blest abode,<br>
Where, like the prophet, thou shalt find thy God.</p>

<p>For more on Wheatley, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/phillis-wheatley" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/phillis-wheatley</a></p>

<p>For more on Professor Kirsten Lee, see her website: <a href="https://cla.auburn.edu/directory/kirsten-lee/" rel="nofollow">https://cla.auburn.edu/directory/kirsten-lee/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Today, joined by Professor Kirsten Lee, we read a poem about freedom written on the eve of the American Revolution by Phillis Wheatley, the first African American to publish a book of poetry. In praise to the new British Secretary of State, she guides him how to rule while tying an American love of Freedom to her own personal experience of enslavement.</p>

<p><strong>To the Right Honorable William, Earl of Dartmouth</strong></p>

<p>By Phillis Wheatley</p>

<p>Hail, happy day, when, smiling like the morn,<br>
Fair Freedom rose New-England to adorn:<br>
The northern clime beneath her genial ray,<br>
Dartmouth, congratulates thy blissful sway:<br>
Elate with hope her race no longer mourns,<br>
Each soul expands, each grateful bosom burns,<br>
While in thine hand with pleasure we behold<br>
The silken reins, and Freedom&#39;s charms unfold.<br>
Long lost to realms beneath the northern skies</p>

<p>She shines supreme, while hated faction dies:<br>
Soon as appear&#39;d the Goddess long desir&#39;d,<br>
Sick at the view, she languish&#39;d and expir&#39;d;<br>
Thus from the splendors of the morning light<br>
The owl in sadness seeks the caves of night.<br>
No more, America, in mournful strain<br>
Of wrongs, and grievance unredress&#39;d complain,<br>
No longer shalt thou dread the iron chain,<br>
Which wanton Tyranny with lawless hand<br>
Had made, and with it meant t&#39; enslave the land.</p>

<p>Should you, my lord, while you peruse my song,<br>
Wonder from whence my love of Freedom sprung,<br>
Whence flow these wishes for the common good,<br>
By feeling hearts alone best understood,<br>
I, young in life, by seeming cruel fate<br>
Was snatch&#39;d from Afric&#39;s fancy&#39;d happy seat:<br>
What pangs excruciating must molest,<br>
What sorrows labour in my parent&#39;s breast?<br>
Steel&#39;d was that soul and by no misery mov&#39;d<br>
That from a father seiz&#39;d his babe belov&#39;d:<br>
Such, such my case. And can I then but pray<br>
Others may never feel tyrannic sway?</p>

<p>For favours past, great Sir, our thanks are due,<br>
And thee we ask thy favours to renew,<br>
Since in thy pow&#39;r, as in thy will before,<br>
To sooth the griefs, which thou did&#39;st once deplore.<br>
May heav&#39;nly grace the sacred sanction give<br>
To all thy works, and thou for ever live<br>
Not only on the wings of fleeting Fame,<br>
Though praise immortal crowns the patriot&#39;s name,<br>
But to conduct to heav&#39;ns refulgent fane,<br>
May fiery coursers sweep th&#39; ethereal plain,<br>
And bear thee upwards to that blest abode,<br>
Where, like the prophet, thou shalt find thy God.</p>

<p>For more on Wheatley, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/phillis-wheatley" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/phillis-wheatley</a></p>

<p>For more on Professor Kirsten Lee, see her website: <a href="https://cla.auburn.edu/directory/kirsten-lee/" rel="nofollow">https://cla.auburn.edu/directory/kirsten-lee/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 104: Jane Zwart, I read that the moon is rusting</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>24:28</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here:<br>
<a href="https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting" rel="nofollow">https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting</a></p>

<p>For more on the poet Jane Zwart, see her personal website:<br>
<a href="https://www.janezwart.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.janezwart.com/</a></p>

<p>To see her new book and purchase a copy, see &quot;Oddest &amp; Oldest &amp; Saddest &amp; Best&quot; at Orison Books:<br>
<a href="https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart" rel="nofollow">https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here:<br>
<a href="https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting" rel="nofollow">https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting</a></p>

<p>For more on the poet Jane Zwart, see her personal website:<br>
<a href="https://www.janezwart.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.janezwart.com/</a></p>

<p>To see her new book and purchase a copy, see &quot;Oddest &amp; Oldest &amp; Saddest &amp; Best&quot; at Orison Books:<br>
<a href="https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart" rel="nofollow">https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here:<br>
<a href="https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting" rel="nofollow">https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting</a></p>

<p>For more on the poet Jane Zwart, see her personal website:<br>
<a href="https://www.janezwart.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.janezwart.com/</a></p>

<p>To see her new book and purchase a copy, see &quot;Oddest &amp; Oldest &amp; Saddest &amp; Best&quot; at Orison Books:<br>
<a href="https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart" rel="nofollow">https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 103: Dinah Maria Craik, Friendship</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2026 12:15:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>14:48</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.</p>

<p><strong>Friendship</strong></p>

<p>Oh, the comfort—<br>
the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person—<br>
having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words,<br>
but pouring them all right out,<br>
just as they are,<br>
chaff and grain together;<br>
certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them,<br>
keep what is worth keeping,<br>
and then with the breath of kindness blow the rest away.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.</p>

<p><strong>Friendship</strong></p>

<p>Oh, the comfort—<br>
the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person—<br>
having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words,<br>
but pouring them all right out,<br>
just as they are,<br>
chaff and grain together;<br>
certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them,<br>
keep what is worth keeping,<br>
and then with the breath of kindness blow the rest away.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.</p>

<p><strong>Friendship</strong></p>

<p>Oh, the comfort—<br>
the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person—<br>
having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words,<br>
but pouring them all right out,<br>
just as they are,<br>
chaff and grain together;<br>
certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them,<br>
keep what is worth keeping,<br>
and then with the breath of kindness blow the rest away.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 102: Phillis Levin, An Anthology of Rain</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Phillis Levin reads "An Anthology of Rain," the title poem of her new book of poetry. She guides us through the philosophical underpinnings of her poem, how it informs the book as a whole, and how the surfaces of things can tell us so much about their substance. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>27:34</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Phillis Levin reads &quot;An Anthology of Rain,&quot; the title poem of her newest poetry collection. She guides us through the philosophical underpinnings of her poem, how it informs the book as a whole, and how the surfaces of things can tell us so much about their substance. </p>

<p>Phillis Levin is the author of six poetry collections, including <a href="https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/an-anthology-of-rain-phillis-levin/" rel="nofollow">An Anthology of Rain</a>. She is also the editor of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/333350/the-penguin-book-of-the-sonnet-by-various/" rel="nofollow">The Penguin Book of the Sonnet: 500 Years of a Classic Tradition in English</a>. Levin’s honors include a Fulbright Scholar Award to Slovenia, an Ingram Merrill Grant, the Richard Hugo Prize from Poetry Northwest, and fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the Trust of Amy Lowell. </p>

<p>To learn more about Phillis and her work, please visit her website. <a href="https://phillislevin.com" rel="nofollow">https://phillislevin.com</a> </p>

<p>Photo credit: Sigrid Estrada</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Phillis Levin reads &quot;An Anthology of Rain,&quot; the title poem of her newest poetry collection. She guides us through the philosophical underpinnings of her poem, how it informs the book as a whole, and how the surfaces of things can tell us so much about their substance. </p>

<p>Phillis Levin is the author of six poetry collections, including <a href="https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/an-anthology-of-rain-phillis-levin/" rel="nofollow">An Anthology of Rain</a>. She is also the editor of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/333350/the-penguin-book-of-the-sonnet-by-various/" rel="nofollow">The Penguin Book of the Sonnet: 500 Years of a Classic Tradition in English</a>. Levin’s honors include a Fulbright Scholar Award to Slovenia, an Ingram Merrill Grant, the Richard Hugo Prize from Poetry Northwest, and fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the Trust of Amy Lowell. </p>

<p>To learn more about Phillis and her work, please visit her website. <a href="https://phillislevin.com" rel="nofollow">https://phillislevin.com</a> </p>

<p>Photo credit: Sigrid Estrada</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Phillis Levin reads &quot;An Anthology of Rain,&quot; the title poem of her newest poetry collection. She guides us through the philosophical underpinnings of her poem, how it informs the book as a whole, and how the surfaces of things can tell us so much about their substance. </p>

<p>Phillis Levin is the author of six poetry collections, including <a href="https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/an-anthology-of-rain-phillis-levin/" rel="nofollow">An Anthology of Rain</a>. She is also the editor of <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/333350/the-penguin-book-of-the-sonnet-by-various/" rel="nofollow">The Penguin Book of the Sonnet: 500 Years of a Classic Tradition in English</a>. Levin’s honors include a Fulbright Scholar Award to Slovenia, an Ingram Merrill Grant, the Richard Hugo Prize from Poetry Northwest, and fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the Trust of Amy Lowell. </p>

<p>To learn more about Phillis and her work, please visit her website. <a href="https://phillislevin.com" rel="nofollow">https://phillislevin.com</a> </p>

<p>Photo credit: Sigrid Estrada</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 101: Emerald GoingSnake, Someday I'll Love--</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This episode opens "Someday I'll Love" poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet's connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>23:53</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>guest on the show, 21st century, free verse, elegy, Native American Heritage Month, aging, gratitude, love, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 100: Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how &quot;the paths of glory lead but to the grave.&quot;</p>

<p>The whole  poem can be found below. </p>

<p>The image is of Thomas Gray&#39;s monument in Stoke Poges, inscribed with his elegy. Photo by UKgeofan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507" rel="nofollow">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507</a></p>

<p>For more on Thomas Gray, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/thomas-gray" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</strong></p>

<p><em>By Thomas Gray</em></p>

<p>The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,<br>
         The lowing herd wind slowly o&#39;er the lea,<br>
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,<br>
         And leaves the world to darkness and to me.</p>

<p>Now fades the glimm&#39;ring landscape on the sight,<br>
         And all the air a solemn stillness holds,<br>
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,<br>
         And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;</p>

<p>Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow&#39;r<br>
         The moping owl does to the moon complain<br>
Of such, as wand&#39;ring near her secret bow&#39;r,<br>
         Molest her ancient solitary reign.</p>

<p>Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree&#39;s shade,<br>
         Where heaves the turf in many a mould&#39;ring heap,<br>
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,<br>
         The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.</p>

<p>The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,<br>
         The swallow twitt&#39;ring from the straw-built shed,<br>
The cock&#39;s shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,<br>
         No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.</p>

<p>For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,<br>
         Or busy housewife ply her evening care:<br>
No children run to lisp their sire&#39;s return,<br>
         Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.</p>

<p>Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,<br>
         Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;<br>
How jocund did they drive their team afield!<br>
         How bow&#39;d the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!</p>

<p>Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,<br>
         Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;<br>
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile<br>
         The short and simple annals of the poor.</p>

<p>The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow&#39;r,<br>
         And all that beauty, all that wealth e&#39;er gave,<br>
Awaits alike th&#39; inevitable hour.<br>
         The paths of glory lead but to the grave.</p>

<p>Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,<br>
         If Mem&#39;ry o&#39;er their tomb no trophies raise,<br>
Where thro&#39; the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault<br>
         The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.</p>

<p>Can storied urn or animated bust<br>
         Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?<br>
Can Honour&#39;s voice provoke the silent dust,<br>
         Or Flatt&#39;ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?</p>

<p>Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid<br>
         Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;<br>
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway&#39;d,<br>
         Or wak&#39;d to ecstasy the living lyre.</p>

<p>But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page<br>
         Rich with the spoils of time did ne&#39;er unroll;<br>
Chill Penury repress&#39;d their noble rage,<br>
         And froze the genial current of the soul.</p>

<p>Full many a gem of purest ray serene,<br>
         The dark unfathom&#39;d caves of ocean bear:<br>
Full many a flow&#39;r is born to blush unseen,<br>
         And waste its sweetness on the desert air.</p>

<p>Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast<br>
         The little tyrant of his fields withstood;<br>
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,<br>
         Some Cromwell guiltless of his country&#39;s blood.</p>

<p>Th&#39; applause of list&#39;ning senates to command,<br>
         The threats of pain and ruin to despise,<br>
To scatter plenty o&#39;er a smiling land,<br>
         And read their hist&#39;ry in a nation&#39;s eyes,</p>

<p>Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib&#39;d alone<br>
         Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin&#39;d;<br>
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,<br>
         And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,</p>

<p>The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,<br>
         To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,<br>
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride<br>
         With incense kindled at the Muse&#39;s flame.</p>

<p>Far from the madding crowd&#39;s ignoble strife,<br>
         Their sober wishes never learn&#39;d to stray;<br>
Along the cool sequester&#39;d vale of life<br>
         They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.</p>

<p>Yet ev&#39;n these bones from insult to protect,<br>
         Some frail memorial still erected nigh,<br>
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck&#39;d,<br>
         Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.</p>

<p>Their name, their years, spelt by th&#39; unletter&#39;d muse,<br>
         The place of fame and elegy supply:<br>
And many a holy text around she strews,<br>
         That teach the rustic moralist to die.</p>

<p>For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,<br>
         This pleasing anxious being e&#39;er resign&#39;d,<br>
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,<br>
         Nor cast one longing, ling&#39;ring look behind?</p>

<p>On some fond breast the parting soul relies,<br>
         Some pious drops the closing eye requires;<br>
Ev&#39;n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,<br>
         Ev&#39;n in our ashes live their wonted fires.</p>

<p>For thee, who mindful of th&#39; unhonour&#39;d Dead<br>
         Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;<br>
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,<br>
         Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,</p>

<p>Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,<br>
         &quot;Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn<br>
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away<br>
         To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.</p>

<p>&quot;There at the foot of yonder nodding beech<br>
         That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,<br>
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,<br>
         And pore upon the brook that babbles by.</p>

<p>&quot;Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,<br>
         Mutt&#39;ring his wayward fancies he would rove,<br>
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,<br>
         Or craz&#39;d with care, or cross&#39;d in hopeless love.</p>

<p>&quot;One morn I miss&#39;d him on the custom&#39;d hill,<br>
         Along the heath and near his fav&#39;rite tree;<br>
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,<br>
         Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;</p>

<p>&quot;The next with dirges due in sad array<br>
         Slow thro&#39; the church-way path we saw him borne.<br>
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,<br>
         Grav&#39;d on the stone beneath yon aged thorn.&quot;</p>

<p>THE EPITAPH</p>

<p>Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth<br>
       A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.<br>
Fair Science frown&#39;d not on his humble birth,<br>
       And Melancholy mark&#39;d him for her own.</p>

<p>Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,<br>
       Heav&#39;n did a recompense as largely send:<br>
He gave to Mis&#39;ry all he had, a tear,<br>
       He gain&#39;d from Heav&#39;n (&#39;twas all he wish&#39;d) a friend.</p>

<p>No farther seek his merits to disclose,<br>
       Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,<br>
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)<br>
       The bosom of his Father and his God.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how &quot;the paths of glory lead but to the grave.&quot;</p>

<p>The whole  poem can be found below. </p>

<p>The image is of Thomas Gray&#39;s monument in Stoke Poges, inscribed with his elegy. Photo by UKgeofan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507" rel="nofollow">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507</a></p>

<p>For more on Thomas Gray, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/thomas-gray" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</strong></p>

<p><em>By Thomas Gray</em></p>

<p>The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,<br>
         The lowing herd wind slowly o&#39;er the lea,<br>
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,<br>
         And leaves the world to darkness and to me.</p>

<p>Now fades the glimm&#39;ring landscape on the sight,<br>
         And all the air a solemn stillness holds,<br>
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,<br>
         And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;</p>

<p>Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow&#39;r<br>
         The moping owl does to the moon complain<br>
Of such, as wand&#39;ring near her secret bow&#39;r,<br>
         Molest her ancient solitary reign.</p>

<p>Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree&#39;s shade,<br>
         Where heaves the turf in many a mould&#39;ring heap,<br>
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,<br>
         The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.</p>

<p>The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,<br>
         The swallow twitt&#39;ring from the straw-built shed,<br>
The cock&#39;s shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,<br>
         No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.</p>

<p>For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,<br>
         Or busy housewife ply her evening care:<br>
No children run to lisp their sire&#39;s return,<br>
         Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.</p>

<p>Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,<br>
         Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;<br>
How jocund did they drive their team afield!<br>
         How bow&#39;d the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!</p>

<p>Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,<br>
         Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;<br>
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile<br>
         The short and simple annals of the poor.</p>

<p>The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow&#39;r,<br>
         And all that beauty, all that wealth e&#39;er gave,<br>
Awaits alike th&#39; inevitable hour.<br>
         The paths of glory lead but to the grave.</p>

<p>Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,<br>
         If Mem&#39;ry o&#39;er their tomb no trophies raise,<br>
Where thro&#39; the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault<br>
         The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.</p>

<p>Can storied urn or animated bust<br>
         Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?<br>
Can Honour&#39;s voice provoke the silent dust,<br>
         Or Flatt&#39;ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?</p>

<p>Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid<br>
         Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;<br>
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway&#39;d,<br>
         Or wak&#39;d to ecstasy the living lyre.</p>

<p>But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page<br>
         Rich with the spoils of time did ne&#39;er unroll;<br>
Chill Penury repress&#39;d their noble rage,<br>
         And froze the genial current of the soul.</p>

<p>Full many a gem of purest ray serene,<br>
         The dark unfathom&#39;d caves of ocean bear:<br>
Full many a flow&#39;r is born to blush unseen,<br>
         And waste its sweetness on the desert air.</p>

<p>Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast<br>
         The little tyrant of his fields withstood;<br>
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,<br>
         Some Cromwell guiltless of his country&#39;s blood.</p>

<p>Th&#39; applause of list&#39;ning senates to command,<br>
         The threats of pain and ruin to despise,<br>
To scatter plenty o&#39;er a smiling land,<br>
         And read their hist&#39;ry in a nation&#39;s eyes,</p>

<p>Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib&#39;d alone<br>
         Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin&#39;d;<br>
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,<br>
         And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,</p>

<p>The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,<br>
         To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,<br>
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride<br>
         With incense kindled at the Muse&#39;s flame.</p>

<p>Far from the madding crowd&#39;s ignoble strife,<br>
         Their sober wishes never learn&#39;d to stray;<br>
Along the cool sequester&#39;d vale of life<br>
         They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.</p>

<p>Yet ev&#39;n these bones from insult to protect,<br>
         Some frail memorial still erected nigh,<br>
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck&#39;d,<br>
         Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.</p>

<p>Their name, their years, spelt by th&#39; unletter&#39;d muse,<br>
         The place of fame and elegy supply:<br>
And many a holy text around she strews,<br>
         That teach the rustic moralist to die.</p>

<p>For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,<br>
         This pleasing anxious being e&#39;er resign&#39;d,<br>
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,<br>
         Nor cast one longing, ling&#39;ring look behind?</p>

<p>On some fond breast the parting soul relies,<br>
         Some pious drops the closing eye requires;<br>
Ev&#39;n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,<br>
         Ev&#39;n in our ashes live their wonted fires.</p>

<p>For thee, who mindful of th&#39; unhonour&#39;d Dead<br>
         Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;<br>
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,<br>
         Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,</p>

<p>Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,<br>
         &quot;Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn<br>
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away<br>
         To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.</p>

<p>&quot;There at the foot of yonder nodding beech<br>
         That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,<br>
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,<br>
         And pore upon the brook that babbles by.</p>

<p>&quot;Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,<br>
         Mutt&#39;ring his wayward fancies he would rove,<br>
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,<br>
         Or craz&#39;d with care, or cross&#39;d in hopeless love.</p>

<p>&quot;One morn I miss&#39;d him on the custom&#39;d hill,<br>
         Along the heath and near his fav&#39;rite tree;<br>
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,<br>
         Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;</p>

<p>&quot;The next with dirges due in sad array<br>
         Slow thro&#39; the church-way path we saw him borne.<br>
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,<br>
         Grav&#39;d on the stone beneath yon aged thorn.&quot;</p>

<p>THE EPITAPH</p>

<p>Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth<br>
       A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.<br>
Fair Science frown&#39;d not on his humble birth,<br>
       And Melancholy mark&#39;d him for her own.</p>

<p>Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,<br>
       Heav&#39;n did a recompense as largely send:<br>
He gave to Mis&#39;ry all he had, a tear,<br>
       He gain&#39;d from Heav&#39;n (&#39;twas all he wish&#39;d) a friend.</p>

<p>No farther seek his merits to disclose,<br>
       Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,<br>
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)<br>
       The bosom of his Father and his God.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how &quot;the paths of glory lead but to the grave.&quot;</p>

<p>The whole  poem can be found below. </p>

<p>The image is of Thomas Gray&#39;s monument in Stoke Poges, inscribed with his elegy. Photo by UKgeofan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507" rel="nofollow">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507</a></p>

<p>For more on Thomas Gray, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/thomas-gray" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</strong></p>

<p><em>By Thomas Gray</em></p>

<p>The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,<br>
         The lowing herd wind slowly o&#39;er the lea,<br>
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,<br>
         And leaves the world to darkness and to me.</p>

<p>Now fades the glimm&#39;ring landscape on the sight,<br>
         And all the air a solemn stillness holds,<br>
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,<br>
         And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;</p>

<p>Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow&#39;r<br>
         The moping owl does to the moon complain<br>
Of such, as wand&#39;ring near her secret bow&#39;r,<br>
         Molest her ancient solitary reign.</p>

<p>Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree&#39;s shade,<br>
         Where heaves the turf in many a mould&#39;ring heap,<br>
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,<br>
         The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.</p>

<p>The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,<br>
         The swallow twitt&#39;ring from the straw-built shed,<br>
The cock&#39;s shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,<br>
         No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.</p>

<p>For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,<br>
         Or busy housewife ply her evening care:<br>
No children run to lisp their sire&#39;s return,<br>
         Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.</p>

<p>Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,<br>
         Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;<br>
How jocund did they drive their team afield!<br>
         How bow&#39;d the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!</p>

<p>Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,<br>
         Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;<br>
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile<br>
         The short and simple annals of the poor.</p>

<p>The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow&#39;r,<br>
         And all that beauty, all that wealth e&#39;er gave,<br>
Awaits alike th&#39; inevitable hour.<br>
         The paths of glory lead but to the grave.</p>

<p>Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,<br>
         If Mem&#39;ry o&#39;er their tomb no trophies raise,<br>
Where thro&#39; the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault<br>
         The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.</p>

<p>Can storied urn or animated bust<br>
         Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?<br>
Can Honour&#39;s voice provoke the silent dust,<br>
         Or Flatt&#39;ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?</p>

<p>Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid<br>
         Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;<br>
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway&#39;d,<br>
         Or wak&#39;d to ecstasy the living lyre.</p>

<p>But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page<br>
         Rich with the spoils of time did ne&#39;er unroll;<br>
Chill Penury repress&#39;d their noble rage,<br>
         And froze the genial current of the soul.</p>

<p>Full many a gem of purest ray serene,<br>
         The dark unfathom&#39;d caves of ocean bear:<br>
Full many a flow&#39;r is born to blush unseen,<br>
         And waste its sweetness on the desert air.</p>

<p>Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast<br>
         The little tyrant of his fields withstood;<br>
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,<br>
         Some Cromwell guiltless of his country&#39;s blood.</p>

<p>Th&#39; applause of list&#39;ning senates to command,<br>
         The threats of pain and ruin to despise,<br>
To scatter plenty o&#39;er a smiling land,<br>
         And read their hist&#39;ry in a nation&#39;s eyes,</p>

<p>Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib&#39;d alone<br>
         Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin&#39;d;<br>
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,<br>
         And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,</p>

<p>The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,<br>
         To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,<br>
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride<br>
         With incense kindled at the Muse&#39;s flame.</p>

<p>Far from the madding crowd&#39;s ignoble strife,<br>
         Their sober wishes never learn&#39;d to stray;<br>
Along the cool sequester&#39;d vale of life<br>
         They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.</p>

<p>Yet ev&#39;n these bones from insult to protect,<br>
         Some frail memorial still erected nigh,<br>
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck&#39;d,<br>
         Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.</p>

<p>Their name, their years, spelt by th&#39; unletter&#39;d muse,<br>
         The place of fame and elegy supply:<br>
And many a holy text around she strews,<br>
         That teach the rustic moralist to die.</p>

<p>For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,<br>
         This pleasing anxious being e&#39;er resign&#39;d,<br>
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,<br>
         Nor cast one longing, ling&#39;ring look behind?</p>

<p>On some fond breast the parting soul relies,<br>
         Some pious drops the closing eye requires;<br>
Ev&#39;n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,<br>
         Ev&#39;n in our ashes live their wonted fires.</p>

<p>For thee, who mindful of th&#39; unhonour&#39;d Dead<br>
         Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;<br>
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,<br>
         Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,</p>

<p>Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,<br>
         &quot;Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn<br>
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away<br>
         To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.</p>

<p>&quot;There at the foot of yonder nodding beech<br>
         That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,<br>
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,<br>
         And pore upon the brook that babbles by.</p>

<p>&quot;Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,<br>
         Mutt&#39;ring his wayward fancies he would rove,<br>
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,<br>
         Or craz&#39;d with care, or cross&#39;d in hopeless love.</p>

<p>&quot;One morn I miss&#39;d him on the custom&#39;d hill,<br>
         Along the heath and near his fav&#39;rite tree;<br>
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,<br>
         Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;</p>

<p>&quot;The next with dirges due in sad array<br>
         Slow thro&#39; the church-way path we saw him borne.<br>
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,<br>
         Grav&#39;d on the stone beneath yon aged thorn.&quot;</p>

<p>THE EPITAPH</p>

<p>Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth<br>
       A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.<br>
Fair Science frown&#39;d not on his humble birth,<br>
       And Melancholy mark&#39;d him for her own.</p>

<p>Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,<br>
       Heav&#39;n did a recompense as largely send:<br>
He gave to Mis&#39;ry all he had, a tear,<br>
       He gain&#39;d from Heav&#39;n (&#39;twas all he wish&#39;d) a friend.</p>

<p>No farther seek his merits to disclose,<br>
       Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,<br>
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)<br>
       The bosom of his Father and his God.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 99: Oliver de la Paz, Pantoum Beginning and Ending with Thorns</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2025 10:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this third episode in our series on the pantoum, we read and discuss Oliver de la Paz's "Pantoum Beginning and Ending with Thorns," a poem that draws its inspiration from a visual art object as well as the story of migration that shapes the poetic speaker's lived experience. </itunes:subtitle>
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<p>To learn more about Oliver de la Paz, visit his <a href="https://www.oliverdelapaz.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>If you love this poem as much as we do, please purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324092988" rel="nofollow">The Diaspora Sonnets</a></em> (Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2023), which was long-listed for the 2023 National Book Award in Poetry and a finalist for the 2024 Paterson Poetry Prize. Thanks to Liveright and W. W. Norton for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this third episode in our series on the pantoum, we read and discuss Oliver de la Paz&#39;s &quot;Pantoum Beginning and Ending with Thorns,&quot; a poem that draws its inspiration from a visual art object as well as the story of migration that shapes the poetic speaker&#39;s lived experience. </p>

<p>To learn more about Oliver de la Paz, visit his <a href="https://www.oliverdelapaz.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>If you love this poem as much as we do, please purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324092988" rel="nofollow">The Diaspora Sonnets</a></em> (Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2023), which was long-listed for the 2023 National Book Award in Poetry and a finalist for the 2024 Paterson Poetry Prize. Thanks to Liveright and W. W. Norton for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this third episode in our series on the pantoum, we read and discuss Oliver de la Paz&#39;s &quot;Pantoum Beginning and Ending with Thorns,&quot; a poem that draws its inspiration from a visual art object as well as the story of migration that shapes the poetic speaker&#39;s lived experience. </p>

<p>To learn more about Oliver de la Paz, visit his <a href="https://www.oliverdelapaz.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>If you love this poem as much as we do, please purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324092988" rel="nofollow">The Diaspora Sonnets</a></em> (Liveright Publishing Corporation, 2023), which was long-listed for the 2023 National Book Award in Poetry and a finalist for the 2024 Paterson Poetry Prize. Thanks to Liveright and W. W. Norton for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 98: Arthur Sze, Papyrus Pantoum</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2025 14:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we continue our three-part series on the pantoum, this time focusing on Arthur Sze's "Papyrus Pantoum." We consider the poem's collage-like qualities, Sze's ability to juxtapose abundance and scarcity, and the way he attends to both beauty and danger in the natural world.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>28:38</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we continue our three-part series on the pantoum, this time focusing on Arthur Sze&#39;s &quot;Papyrus Pantoum.&quot; We consider the poem&#39;s collage-like qualities, Sze&#39;s ability to juxtapose abundance and scarcity, and the way he attends to both beauty and danger in the natural world.</p>

<p>Arthur Sze is the 25th Poet Laureate of the United States. To learn more about Arthur Sze and his amazing work, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/arthur-sze" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Papyrus Pantoum&quot; in <em><a href="https://citylights.com/hardcover-poetry/into-the-hush/" rel="nofollow">Into the Hush</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2025).</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we continue our three-part series on the pantoum, this time focusing on Arthur Sze&#39;s &quot;Papyrus Pantoum.&quot; We consider the poem&#39;s collage-like qualities, Sze&#39;s ability to juxtapose abundance and scarcity, and the way he attends to both beauty and danger in the natural world.</p>

<p>Arthur Sze is the 25th Poet Laureate of the United States. To learn more about Arthur Sze and his amazing work, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/arthur-sze" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Papyrus Pantoum&quot; in <em><a href="https://citylights.com/hardcover-poetry/into-the-hush/" rel="nofollow">Into the Hush</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2025).</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we continue our three-part series on the pantoum, this time focusing on Arthur Sze&#39;s &quot;Papyrus Pantoum.&quot; We consider the poem&#39;s collage-like qualities, Sze&#39;s ability to juxtapose abundance and scarcity, and the way he attends to both beauty and danger in the natural world.</p>

<p>Arthur Sze is the 25th Poet Laureate of the United States. To learn more about Arthur Sze and his amazing work, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/arthur-sze" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Papyrus Pantoum&quot; in <em><a href="https://citylights.com/hardcover-poetry/into-the-hush/" rel="nofollow">Into the Hush</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2025).</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 97: Donald Justice, Pantoum of the Great Depression</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>26:46</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see The Poetry Foundation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression</a></p>

<p>For more on Donald Justice, see The Poetry Foundation: </p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice</a></p>

<p>Copyright Credit: Donald Justice, &quot;Pantoum of the Great Depression&quot; from Collected Poems. Copyright © 2004 by Donald Justice.  Read on our podcast by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>grief and loss, laborers, repetition or refrain, Labor Day, pantoum, 21st century</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see The Poetry Foundation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression</a></p>

<p>For more on Donald Justice, see The Poetry Foundation: </p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice</a></p>

<p>Copyright Credit: Donald Justice, &quot;Pantoum of the Great Depression&quot; from Collected Poems. Copyright © 2004 by Donald Justice.  Read on our podcast by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see The Poetry Foundation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression</a></p>

<p>For more on Donald Justice, see The Poetry Foundation: </p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice</a></p>

<p>Copyright Credit: Donald Justice, &quot;Pantoum of the Great Depression&quot; from Collected Poems. Copyright © 2004 by Donald Justice.  Read on our podcast by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 96: Gerard Manley Hopkins, God's Grandeur</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2025 10:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Today we look at a sonnet by Gerard Manley Hopkins that dwells equally in the grandeur of God and the wreck made of earth. Hopkins wonders how these two aspects of our world could possibly relate, and he holds out hope for the dearest freshness deep down things.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>24:23</itunes:duration>
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<p><strong>God&#39;s Grandeur</strong><br>
By Gerard Manley Hopkins</p>

<p>The world is charged with the grandeur of God.<br>
    It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;<br>
    It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil<br>
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?<br>
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;<br>
    And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;<br>
    And wears man&#39;s smudge and shares man&#39;s smell: the soil<br>
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.</p>

<p>And for all this, nature is never spent;<br>
    There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;<br>
And though the last lights off the black West went<br>
    Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —<br>
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent<br>
    World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.</p>]]>
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<p><strong>God&#39;s Grandeur</strong><br>
By Gerard Manley Hopkins</p>

<p>The world is charged with the grandeur of God.<br>
    It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;<br>
    It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil<br>
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?<br>
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;<br>
    And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;<br>
    And wears man&#39;s smudge and shares man&#39;s smell: the soil<br>
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.</p>

<p>And for all this, nature is never spent;<br>
    There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;<br>
And though the last lights off the black West went<br>
    Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —<br>
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent<br>
    World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.</p>]]>
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<p><strong>God&#39;s Grandeur</strong><br>
By Gerard Manley Hopkins</p>

<p>The world is charged with the grandeur of God.<br>
    It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;<br>
    It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil<br>
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?<br>
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;<br>
    And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;<br>
    And wears man&#39;s smudge and shares man&#39;s smell: the soil<br>
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.</p>

<p>And for all this, nature is never spent;<br>
    There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;<br>
And though the last lights off the black West went<br>
    Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —<br>
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent<br>
    World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 95: Ted Kooser, Student</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>It's back to school time, and we're back at Poetry For All, heavy with hope for another season. Today we look at a poem unified by an extended metaphor describing a student who makes his heroic way to the library. Short and simple--and so much to love.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>22:38</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s back to school time, and we&#39;re back at Poetry For All, heavy with hope for another season. Today we look at a poem unified by an extended metaphor describing a student who makes his heroic way to the library. Short and simple--and so much to love.</p>

<p>This poem comes from Ted Kooser&#39;s Pulitzer-Prize winning book, <em>Delights and Shadows</em>, published by Copper Canyon Press in 2004. Thank you to Copper Canyon Press for permission to read the poem for this episode.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.versedaily.org/student.shtml" rel="nofollow">https://www.versedaily.org/student.shtml</a></p>

<p>For Ted Kooser&#39;s personal webpage, see here: <a href="https://www.tedkooser.net/" rel="nofollow">https://www.tedkooser.net/</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, poet laureate, hope</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s back to school time, and we&#39;re back at Poetry For All, heavy with hope for another season. Today we look at a poem unified by an extended metaphor describing a student who makes his heroic way to the library. Short and simple--and so much to love.</p>

<p>This poem comes from Ted Kooser&#39;s Pulitzer-Prize winning book, <em>Delights and Shadows</em>, published by Copper Canyon Press in 2004. Thank you to Copper Canyon Press for permission to read the poem for this episode.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.versedaily.org/student.shtml" rel="nofollow">https://www.versedaily.org/student.shtml</a></p>

<p>For Ted Kooser&#39;s personal webpage, see here: <a href="https://www.tedkooser.net/" rel="nofollow">https://www.tedkooser.net/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s back to school time, and we&#39;re back at Poetry For All, heavy with hope for another season. Today we look at a poem unified by an extended metaphor describing a student who makes his heroic way to the library. Short and simple--and so much to love.</p>

<p>This poem comes from Ted Kooser&#39;s Pulitzer-Prize winning book, <em>Delights and Shadows</em>, published by Copper Canyon Press in 2004. Thank you to Copper Canyon Press for permission to read the poem for this episode.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.versedaily.org/student.shtml" rel="nofollow">https://www.versedaily.org/student.shtml</a></p>

<p>For Ted Kooser&#39;s personal webpage, see here: <a href="https://www.tedkooser.net/" rel="nofollow">https://www.tedkooser.net/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 94: Sumer is icumen in</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2025 08:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we offer a close reading of "Sumer is icumen in," a Middle English song that anticipates the abundant joys of summer. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we offer a close reading of &quot;Sumer is icumen in,&quot; a Middle English song that anticipates the abundant joys of summer. </p>

<p>Thanks to the Pias Group for granting us permission to share the Hilliard Ensemble&#39;s rendition of this song. You can find the manuscript that includes the lyrics and music at the <a href="https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2012/06/sumer-is-icumen-in.html" rel="nofollow">British Library</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we offer a close reading of &quot;Sumer is icumen in,&quot; a Middle English song that anticipates the abundant joys of summer. </p>

<p>Thanks to the Pias Group for granting us permission to share the Hilliard Ensemble&#39;s rendition of this song. You can find the manuscript that includes the lyrics and music at the <a href="https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2012/06/sumer-is-icumen-in.html" rel="nofollow">British Library</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we offer a close reading of &quot;Sumer is icumen in,&quot; a Middle English song that anticipates the abundant joys of summer. </p>

<p>Thanks to the Pias Group for granting us permission to share the Hilliard Ensemble&#39;s rendition of this song. You can find the manuscript that includes the lyrics and music at the <a href="https://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2012/06/sumer-is-icumen-in.html" rel="nofollow">British Library</a>.</p>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/Diaz.html" role="host">Joanne Diaz</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 92: Dorianne Laux, Singer</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss "Singer," a narrative poem that creates a catalog of details that celebrates the poetic speaker's mother in all of her complexity. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>25:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss &quot;Singer,&quot; a narrative poem that celebrates the poetic speaker&#39;s mother in all of her complexity. </p>

<p>Dorianne Laux is the author of numerous books of poetry, including <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324065821" rel="nofollow"><em>Life on Earth</em></a>, which was a finalist for the National Book Award, and <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393652338" rel="nofollow">Only As the Day is Long: New and Selected Poems</a></em> which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. She is also the author of a new craft book titled <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324050667/" rel="nofollow">Finger Exercises for Poets</a></em>.</p>

<p>“Singer” appears in <em>LIFE ON EARTH</em> by Dorianne Laux. Copyright © 2024 by Dorianne Laux. Used by permission of W. W. Norton &amp; Company, Inc.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss &quot;Singer,&quot; a narrative poem that celebrates the poetic speaker&#39;s mother in all of her complexity. </p>

<p>Dorianne Laux is the author of numerous books of poetry, including <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324065821" rel="nofollow"><em>Life on Earth</em></a>, which was a finalist for the National Book Award, and <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393652338" rel="nofollow">Only As the Day is Long: New and Selected Poems</a></em> which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. She is also the author of a new craft book titled <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324050667/" rel="nofollow">Finger Exercises for Poets</a></em>.</p>

<p>“Singer” appears in <em>LIFE ON EARTH</em> by Dorianne Laux. Copyright © 2024 by Dorianne Laux. Used by permission of W. W. Norton &amp; Company, Inc.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss &quot;Singer,&quot; a narrative poem that celebrates the poetic speaker&#39;s mother in all of her complexity. </p>

<p>Dorianne Laux is the author of numerous books of poetry, including <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324065821" rel="nofollow"><em>Life on Earth</em></a>, which was a finalist for the National Book Award, and <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393652338" rel="nofollow">Only As the Day is Long: New and Selected Poems</a></em> which was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize. She is also the author of a new craft book titled <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324050667/" rel="nofollow">Finger Exercises for Poets</a></em>.</p>

<p>“Singer” appears in <em>LIFE ON EARTH</em> by Dorianne Laux. Copyright © 2024 by Dorianne Laux. Used by permission of W. W. Norton &amp; Company, Inc.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 91: Joanne Diaz, Two Emergencies</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Katy Didden and Abram Van Engen discuss the extraordinary leaps, narrative disjunctions, and temporal frames that fill Diaz's extraordinary ekphrastic poem, a reflection on Bruegel's painting, "Landscape with the Fall of Icarus" written in conversation with W.H. Auden's poem "Musée des Beaux Arts."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>24:40</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Katy Didden and Abram Van Engen discuss the extraordinary leaps, narrative disjunctions, and temporal frames that fill Diaz&#39;s extraordinary ekphrastic poem, a reflection on Bruegel&#39;s painting, &quot;Landscape with the Fall of Icarus&quot; written in conversation with W.H. Auden&#39;s poem &quot;Musée des Beaux Arts.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;Two Emergencies,&quot; appears in <a href="https://a.co/d/3IUlLmp" rel="nofollow">My Favorite Tyrants</a> (University of Wisconsin Press 2014), winner of the 2014 Brittingham Prize in Poetry.</p>

<p>For more poetry of Joanne Diaz, see also <em><a href="https://a.co/d/bZOFIOp" rel="nofollow">The Lessons</a></em> (Silverfish Review Press 2011), winner of the Gerald Cable Book Award.</p>

<p>For W.H. Auden&#39;s &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/159364/musee-des-beaux-arts-63a1efde036cd" rel="nofollow">Musee des Beaux Artes</a>&quot; see The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, narrative, ekphrasis, laborers, violence</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Katy Didden and Abram Van Engen discuss the extraordinary leaps, narrative disjunctions, and temporal frames that fill Diaz&#39;s extraordinary ekphrastic poem, a reflection on Bruegel&#39;s painting, &quot;Landscape with the Fall of Icarus&quot; written in conversation with W.H. Auden&#39;s poem &quot;Musée des Beaux Arts.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;Two Emergencies,&quot; appears in <a href="https://a.co/d/3IUlLmp" rel="nofollow">My Favorite Tyrants</a> (University of Wisconsin Press 2014), winner of the 2014 Brittingham Prize in Poetry.</p>

<p>For more poetry of Joanne Diaz, see also <em><a href="https://a.co/d/bZOFIOp" rel="nofollow">The Lessons</a></em> (Silverfish Review Press 2011), winner of the Gerald Cable Book Award.</p>

<p>For W.H. Auden&#39;s &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/159364/musee-des-beaux-arts-63a1efde036cd" rel="nofollow">Musee des Beaux Artes</a>&quot; see The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Katy Didden and Abram Van Engen discuss the extraordinary leaps, narrative disjunctions, and temporal frames that fill Diaz&#39;s extraordinary ekphrastic poem, a reflection on Bruegel&#39;s painting, &quot;Landscape with the Fall of Icarus&quot; written in conversation with W.H. Auden&#39;s poem &quot;Musée des Beaux Arts.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;Two Emergencies,&quot; appears in <a href="https://a.co/d/3IUlLmp" rel="nofollow">My Favorite Tyrants</a> (University of Wisconsin Press 2014), winner of the 2014 Brittingham Prize in Poetry.</p>

<p>For more poetry of Joanne Diaz, see also <em><a href="https://a.co/d/bZOFIOp" rel="nofollow">The Lessons</a></em> (Silverfish Review Press 2011), winner of the Gerald Cable Book Award.</p>

<p>For W.H. Auden&#39;s &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/159364/musee-des-beaux-arts-63a1efde036cd" rel="nofollow">Musee des Beaux Artes</a>&quot; see The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 90: N. Scott Momaday, The Delight Song of Tsoai-talee</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2025 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This episode explores the incantation and mystic union of Momaday's famous delight poem, ending with a recorded recitation in his own rich voice.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>20:23</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode explores the incantation and mystic union of Momaday&#39;s famous delight poem, ending with a recorded recitation in his own rich voice. We explain anaphora and explore its power, and we trace the links and connections from one thought to the next throughout the poem.</p>

<p>Special thanks to Universty of California Television (UCTV) for permission to share the audio of Momaday&#39;s reading. For the interview with Momaday from which this reading has been pulled, see &quot;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PA3PZqeIuc" rel="nofollow">A Conversation with N. Scott Momaday -- Writer&#39;s Symposium by the Sea 2023</a>&quot; on Youtube. &quot;The Delight Song of Tsoai-talee&quot; appears in <em>In the Presence of the Sun</em> by N. Scott Momaday. Copyright © 2009 <a href="https://www.unmpress.com/" rel="nofollow">University of New Mexico Press</a>, 2009.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46558/the-delight-song-of-tsoai-talee" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Momaday, see his <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/n-scott-momaday" rel="nofollow">biography</a> at the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, Native American Heritage Month, spirituality, repetition or refrain, joy, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode explores the incantation and mystic union of Momaday&#39;s famous delight poem, ending with a recorded recitation in his own rich voice. We explain anaphora and explore its power, and we trace the links and connections from one thought to the next throughout the poem.</p>

<p>Special thanks to Universty of California Television (UCTV) for permission to share the audio of Momaday&#39;s reading. For the interview with Momaday from which this reading has been pulled, see &quot;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PA3PZqeIuc" rel="nofollow">A Conversation with N. Scott Momaday -- Writer&#39;s Symposium by the Sea 2023</a>&quot; on Youtube. &quot;The Delight Song of Tsoai-talee&quot; appears in <em>In the Presence of the Sun</em> by N. Scott Momaday. Copyright © 2009 <a href="https://www.unmpress.com/" rel="nofollow">University of New Mexico Press</a>, 2009.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46558/the-delight-song-of-tsoai-talee" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Momaday, see his <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/n-scott-momaday" rel="nofollow">biography</a> at the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode explores the incantation and mystic union of Momaday&#39;s famous delight poem, ending with a recorded recitation in his own rich voice. We explain anaphora and explore its power, and we trace the links and connections from one thought to the next throughout the poem.</p>

<p>Special thanks to Universty of California Television (UCTV) for permission to share the audio of Momaday&#39;s reading. For the interview with Momaday from which this reading has been pulled, see &quot;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PA3PZqeIuc" rel="nofollow">A Conversation with N. Scott Momaday -- Writer&#39;s Symposium by the Sea 2023</a>&quot; on Youtube. &quot;The Delight Song of Tsoai-talee&quot; appears in <em>In the Presence of the Sun</em> by N. Scott Momaday. Copyright © 2009 <a href="https://www.unmpress.com/" rel="nofollow">University of New Mexico Press</a>, 2009.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46558/the-delight-song-of-tsoai-talee" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Momaday, see his <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/n-scott-momaday" rel="nofollow">biography</a> at the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 89: Pádraig Ó Tuama, excerpts from Kitchen Hymns</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This episode was recorded on March 2, 2025 at the Phillis Wheatley Heritage Center in St. Louis., Missouri. In this conversation, Pádraig Ó Tuama reads several poems from _[Kitchen Hymns](https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/kitchen-hymns-by-padraig-o-tuama/)_ (Copper Canyon Press, 2024), his newest collection. We discuss subversive speech, belief and doubt, lyrical poetry, the psychology of poetic forms, and the power of ancient myths. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode was recorded on March 2, 2025 at the Phillis Wheatley Heritage Center in St. Louis., Missouri. In this conversation, Pádraig Ó Tuama reads several poems from <em><a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/kitchen-hymns-by-padraig-o-tuama/" rel="nofollow">Kitchen Hymns</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2024), his newest collection. We discuss subversive speech, belief and doubt, lyrical poetry, the psychology of poetic forms, and the power of ancient myths. </p>

<p>Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet with interests in conflict, language and religion. He presents  <a href="https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/" rel="nofollow">Poetry Unbound</a> from On Being Studios, and has published two anthologies (2022, 2025, both with WW Norton) from that podcast. A freelance artist, one of Ó Tuama’s projects is poet in residence with the Cooperation and Conflict Resolution Center at Columbia University. He splits his time between Belfast and New York City.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ó Tuama, you can visit his <a href="https://www.padraigotuama.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode was recorded on March 2, 2025 at the Phillis Wheatley Heritage Center in St. Louis., Missouri. In this conversation, Pádraig Ó Tuama reads several poems from <em><a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/kitchen-hymns-by-padraig-o-tuama/" rel="nofollow">Kitchen Hymns</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2024), his newest collection. We discuss subversive speech, belief and doubt, lyrical poetry, the psychology of poetic forms, and the power of ancient myths. </p>

<p>Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet with interests in conflict, language and religion. He presents  <a href="https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/" rel="nofollow">Poetry Unbound</a> from On Being Studios, and has published two anthologies (2022, 2025, both with WW Norton) from that podcast. A freelance artist, one of Ó Tuama’s projects is poet in residence with the Cooperation and Conflict Resolution Center at Columbia University. He splits his time between Belfast and New York City.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ó Tuama, you can visit his <a href="https://www.padraigotuama.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode was recorded on March 2, 2025 at the Phillis Wheatley Heritage Center in St. Louis., Missouri. In this conversation, Pádraig Ó Tuama reads several poems from <em><a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/kitchen-hymns-by-padraig-o-tuama/" rel="nofollow">Kitchen Hymns</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2024), his newest collection. We discuss subversive speech, belief and doubt, lyrical poetry, the psychology of poetic forms, and the power of ancient myths. </p>

<p>Pádraig Ó Tuama is a poet with interests in conflict, language and religion. He presents  <a href="https://onbeing.org/series/poetry-unbound/" rel="nofollow">Poetry Unbound</a> from On Being Studios, and has published two anthologies (2022, 2025, both with WW Norton) from that podcast. A freelance artist, one of Ó Tuama’s projects is poet in residence with the Cooperation and Conflict Resolution Center at Columbia University. He splits his time between Belfast and New York City.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ó Tuama, you can visit his <a href="https://www.padraigotuama.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 88: Oksana Maksymchuk, Tempo</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of "Tempo," a poem that explores the how war causes us to "whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core." </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of &quot;Tempo,&quot; a poem that explores the how war causes us to &quot;whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core.&quot; </p>

<p>Oksana Maksymchuk is a bilingual Ukrainian-American poet, scholar, and literary translator. Her debut English-language poetry collection <a href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822967354/" rel="nofollow"><em>Still City</em></a> is the 2024 Pitt Poetry Series selection, published by University of Pittsburgh Press (US) and Carcanet Press (UK). And while Still City is Oksana’s first poem in English, she is an accomplished poet in the Ukrainian as well. She is also the co-editor of <a href="https://www.wordsforwar.com/" rel="nofollow"><em>Words for War: New Poems from Ukraine, an anthology of contemporary poetry</em></a>. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of &quot;Tempo,&quot; a poem that explores the how war causes us to &quot;whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core.&quot; </p>

<p>Oksana Maksymchuk is a bilingual Ukrainian-American poet, scholar, and literary translator. Her debut English-language poetry collection <a href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822967354/" rel="nofollow"><em>Still City</em></a> is the 2024 Pitt Poetry Series selection, published by University of Pittsburgh Press (US) and Carcanet Press (UK). And while Still City is Oksana’s first poem in English, she is an accomplished poet in the Ukrainian as well. She is also the co-editor of <a href="https://www.wordsforwar.com/" rel="nofollow"><em>Words for War: New Poems from Ukraine, an anthology of contemporary poetry</em></a>. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of &quot;Tempo,&quot; a poem that explores the how war causes us to &quot;whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core.&quot; </p>

<p>Oksana Maksymchuk is a bilingual Ukrainian-American poet, scholar, and literary translator. Her debut English-language poetry collection <a href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822967354/" rel="nofollow"><em>Still City</em></a> is the 2024 Pitt Poetry Series selection, published by University of Pittsburgh Press (US) and Carcanet Press (UK). And while Still City is Oksana’s first poem in English, she is an accomplished poet in the Ukrainian as well. She is also the co-editor of <a href="https://www.wordsforwar.com/" rel="nofollow"><em>Words for War: New Poems from Ukraine, an anthology of contemporary poetry</em></a>. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 87: Monica Ong, Her Gaze</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Monica Ong joins us to discuss "Her Gaze," a visual poem that celebrates the achievements of astronomer Caroline Herschel. "Her Gaze" appears in _Planetaria_, Ong's new collection that merges archival materials with striking lyric poems. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>35:21</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Monica Ong joins us to discuss &quot;Her Gaze,&quot; a visual poem that celebrates the achievements of astronomer Caroline Herschel. &quot;Her Gaze&quot; appears in <em>Planetaria</em>, Ong&#39;s new collection that merges archival materials with striking lyric poems. </p>

<p>Monica Ong is the author of two books: <a href="https://korepress.org/product/silent-anatomies-by-monica-ong" rel="nofollow"><em>Silent Anatomies</em></a>, which was the winner of the Kore Press First Book Award in 2015; and <em>Planetaria</em>, which will be released in May 2025. Last year, Ong was named a United States Artists Fellow. Ong’s visual poetry has been published in many literary magazines and exhibited in galleries and museums all over the world.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ong&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.monicaong.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>To purchase a copy of <em>Planetaria</em>, visit the <a href="https://www.proximavera.com/publication" rel="nofollow">Proxima Vera website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>science, wonder, children, word and image, visual poetry, ekphrasis, free verse</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Monica Ong joins us to discuss &quot;Her Gaze,&quot; a visual poem that celebrates the achievements of astronomer Caroline Herschel. &quot;Her Gaze&quot; appears in <em>Planetaria</em>, Ong&#39;s new collection that merges archival materials with striking lyric poems. </p>

<p>Monica Ong is the author of two books: <a href="https://korepress.org/product/silent-anatomies-by-monica-ong" rel="nofollow"><em>Silent Anatomies</em></a>, which was the winner of the Kore Press First Book Award in 2015; and <em>Planetaria</em>, which will be released in May 2025. Last year, Ong was named a United States Artists Fellow. Ong’s visual poetry has been published in many literary magazines and exhibited in galleries and museums all over the world.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ong&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.monicaong.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>To purchase a copy of <em>Planetaria</em>, visit the <a href="https://www.proximavera.com/publication" rel="nofollow">Proxima Vera website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Monica Ong joins us to discuss &quot;Her Gaze,&quot; a visual poem that celebrates the achievements of astronomer Caroline Herschel. &quot;Her Gaze&quot; appears in <em>Planetaria</em>, Ong&#39;s new collection that merges archival materials with striking lyric poems. </p>

<p>Monica Ong is the author of two books: <a href="https://korepress.org/product/silent-anatomies-by-monica-ong" rel="nofollow"><em>Silent Anatomies</em></a>, which was the winner of the Kore Press First Book Award in 2015; and <em>Planetaria</em>, which will be released in May 2025. Last year, Ong was named a United States Artists Fellow. Ong’s visual poetry has been published in many literary magazines and exhibited in galleries and museums all over the world.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ong&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.monicaong.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>To purchase a copy of <em>Planetaria</em>, visit the <a href="https://www.proximavera.com/publication" rel="nofollow">Proxima Vera website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 86: Gwendolyn Bennett, I Build America</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2025 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Gwendolyn Bennett was a poet, journalist, editor, and activist whose contributions helped to fuel the Harlem Renaissance. In this episode, we read "I Build America," a poem that exposes and critiques the exploitation and suffering of ordinary workers. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>25:19</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Gwendolyn Bennett was a poet, journalist, editor, and activist whose contributions helped to fuel the Harlem Renaissance. In this episode, we read &quot;I Build America,&quot; a poem that exposes and critiques the exploitation and suffering of ordinary workers. </p>

<p>To learn more about Gwendolyn Bennett, see <a href="https://www.psupress.org/books/titles/978-0-271-08096-3.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq8tb3m52BjI0wdtoiguILdKqt-HT2PdahVAq938K08Uj20668V" rel="nofollow"><em>Heroine of the Harlem Renaissance and Beyond: Gwendolyn Bennett&#39;s Selected Writings</em></a>, edited by Belinda Wheeler and Louis J. Parascandola (Pennsylvania State University Press, 2018). Thanks to Pennsylvania State University Press for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>

<p>You can also click <a href="https://poets.org/poet/gwendolyn-bennett" rel="nofollow">here</a> to read a brief biography of Bennett.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Gwendolyn Bennett was a poet, journalist, editor, and activist whose contributions helped to fuel the Harlem Renaissance. In this episode, we read &quot;I Build America,&quot; a poem that exposes and critiques the exploitation and suffering of ordinary workers. </p>

<p>To learn more about Gwendolyn Bennett, see <a href="https://www.psupress.org/books/titles/978-0-271-08096-3.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq8tb3m52BjI0wdtoiguILdKqt-HT2PdahVAq938K08Uj20668V" rel="nofollow"><em>Heroine of the Harlem Renaissance and Beyond: Gwendolyn Bennett&#39;s Selected Writings</em></a>, edited by Belinda Wheeler and Louis J. Parascandola (Pennsylvania State University Press, 2018). Thanks to Pennsylvania State University Press for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>

<p>You can also click <a href="https://poets.org/poet/gwendolyn-bennett" rel="nofollow">here</a> to read a brief biography of Bennett.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Gwendolyn Bennett was a poet, journalist, editor, and activist whose contributions helped to fuel the Harlem Renaissance. In this episode, we read &quot;I Build America,&quot; a poem that exposes and critiques the exploitation and suffering of ordinary workers. </p>

<p>To learn more about Gwendolyn Bennett, see <a href="https://www.psupress.org/books/titles/978-0-271-08096-3.html?srsltid=AfmBOoq8tb3m52BjI0wdtoiguILdKqt-HT2PdahVAq938K08Uj20668V" rel="nofollow"><em>Heroine of the Harlem Renaissance and Beyond: Gwendolyn Bennett&#39;s Selected Writings</em></a>, edited by Belinda Wheeler and Louis J. Parascandola (Pennsylvania State University Press, 2018). Thanks to Pennsylvania State University Press for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>

<p>You can also click <a href="https://poets.org/poet/gwendolyn-bennett" rel="nofollow">here</a> to read a brief biography of Bennett.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 85: Jacob Stratman, To Momento Mori</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2025 19:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem that takes its inspiration from a painting by Andrew Wyeth. The poem provides a meditation on what we perceive and interpret when we look at a painting, and at one another.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>20:20</itunes:duration>
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      <title>Episode 84: Ted Kooser, excerpts from Winter Morning Walks</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we offer close readings of poems from Ted Kooser's Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison. Kooser's poems allow us to think about the poem as a social act, as a form of healing, and as a kind of meditation.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we offer close readings of poems from Ted Kooser&#39;s_ Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison_. Kooser&#39;s poems allow us to think about the poem as a social act, as a form of healing, and as a kind of meditation.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ted Kooser, visit his <a href="https://www.tedkooser.net/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>If you like these poems that we discussed in this episode, please read Ted Kooser&#39;s <em><a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/W/bo43505466.html" rel="nofollow">Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison</a></em> (Carnegie Mellon University Press, 2001). Thanks to Carnegie Mellon Press for granting us permission to read these poems aloud.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we offer close readings of poems from Ted Kooser&#39;s_ Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison_. Kooser&#39;s poems allow us to think about the poem as a social act, as a form of healing, and as a kind of meditation.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ted Kooser, visit his <a href="https://www.tedkooser.net/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>If you like these poems that we discussed in this episode, please read Ted Kooser&#39;s <em><a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/W/bo43505466.html" rel="nofollow">Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison</a></em> (Carnegie Mellon University Press, 2001). Thanks to Carnegie Mellon Press for granting us permission to read these poems aloud.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we offer close readings of poems from Ted Kooser&#39;s_ Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison_. Kooser&#39;s poems allow us to think about the poem as a social act, as a form of healing, and as a kind of meditation.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ted Kooser, visit his <a href="https://www.tedkooser.net/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>If you like these poems that we discussed in this episode, please read Ted Kooser&#39;s <em><a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/W/bo43505466.html" rel="nofollow">Winter Morning Walks: 100 Postcards to Jim Harrison</a></em> (Carnegie Mellon University Press, 2001). Thanks to Carnegie Mellon Press for granting us permission to read these poems aloud.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 83: Emily Dickinson, "I went to thank Her–"</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson's poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson's innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>20:00</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson&#39;s poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson&#39;s innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric.</p>

<p><strong>I went to thank Her</strong></p>

<p>I went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
Her Bed—a funneled Stone—<br>
With Nosegays at the Head and Foot—<br>
That Travellers—had thrown—</p>

<p>Who went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
&#39;Twas Short—to cross the Sea—<br>
To look upon Her like—alive—<br>
But turning back—&#39;twas slow—</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>grief and loss, rhymed verse, Women's History Month, elegy, nineteenth century</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson&#39;s poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson&#39;s innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric.</p>

<p><strong>I went to thank Her</strong></p>

<p>I went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
Her Bed—a funneled Stone—<br>
With Nosegays at the Head and Foot—<br>
That Travellers—had thrown—</p>

<p>Who went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
&#39;Twas Short—to cross the Sea—<br>
To look upon Her like—alive—<br>
But turning back—&#39;twas slow—</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson&#39;s poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson&#39;s innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric.</p>

<p><strong>I went to thank Her</strong></p>

<p>I went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
Her Bed—a funneled Stone—<br>
With Nosegays at the Head and Foot—<br>
That Travellers—had thrown—</p>

<p>Who went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
&#39;Twas Short—to cross the Sea—<br>
To look upon Her like—alive—<br>
But turning back—&#39;twas slow—</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 82: Sidney, Translation of Psalm 52</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Psalm 52 concerns a lying tyrant and God's impending judgment. Mary Sidney, who lived 1561-1621, was an extraordinary writer, editor, and literary patron. Like many talented writers of her time, she translated all the psalms.  Here we talk about translation, early modern women's writing, religious engagements with politics, and the power of Psalm 52. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>26:33</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Psalm 52 concerns a lying tyrant and God&#39;s impending judgment. Mary Sidney, who lived 1561-1621, was an extraordinary writer, editor, and literary patron. Like many talented writers of her time, she translated all the psalms. Here we talk about translation, early modern women&#39;s writing, religious engagements with politics, and the power of Psalm 52. </p>

<p>For more on Mary Sidney, see The Poetry Foundation page: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-sidney-herbert" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-sidney-herbert</a></p>

<p>For the Geneva translation of Psalm 52, which Mary Sidney would have known, see here:<br>
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2052&version=GNV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2052&amp;version=GNV</a></p>

<p>For a new collection of English translations of the psalms in the early modern era, see <a href="https://a.co/d/6lKqKPS" rel="nofollow">The Psalms in English 1530-1633 (Tudor and Stuart Translations)</a>, edited by Hannibal Hamlin.</p>

<p><strong>Psalm 52</strong><br>
translated by Mary Sidney</p>

<p>Tyrant, why swell’st thou thus,<br>
 Of mischief vaunting?<br>
Since help from God to us<br>
 Is never wanting.</p>

<p>Lewd lies thy tongue contrives,<br>
 Loud lies it soundeth;<br>
Sharper than sharpest knives<br>
 With lies it woundeth.</p>

<p>Falsehood thy wit approves,<br>
 All truth rejected:<br>
Thy will all vices loves,<br>
 Virtue neglected.</p>

<p>Not words from cursed thee,<br>
 But gulfs are poured;<br>
Gulfs wherein daily be<br>
 Good men devoured.</p>

<p>Think’st thou to bear it so?<br>
 God shall displace thee;<br>
God shall thee overthrow,<br>
 Crush thee, deface thee.</p>

<p>The just shall fearing see<br>
 These fearful chances,<br>
And laughing shoot at thee<br>
 With scornful glances.</p>

<p>Lo, lo, the wretched wight,<br>
 Who God disdaining,<br>
His mischief made his might,<br>
 His guard his gaining.</p>

<p>I as an olive tree<br>
 Still green shall flourish:<br>
God’s house the soil shall be<br>
 My roots to nourish.</p>

<p>My trust in his true love<br>
 Truly attending,<br>
Shall never thence remove,<br>
 Never see ending.</p>

<p>Thee will I honour still,<br>
 Lord, for this justice;<br>
There fix my hopes I will<br>
 Where thy saints’ trust is.</p>

<p>Thy saints trust in thy name,<br>
 Therein they joy them:<br>
Protected by the same,<br>
 Naught can annoy them.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>16th century, poetry in translation, women's history month, Christianity, rhymed verse, social justice and advocacy, hope, anger</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Psalm 52 concerns a lying tyrant and God&#39;s impending judgment. Mary Sidney, who lived 1561-1621, was an extraordinary writer, editor, and literary patron. Like many talented writers of her time, she translated all the psalms. Here we talk about translation, early modern women&#39;s writing, religious engagements with politics, and the power of Psalm 52. </p>

<p>For more on Mary Sidney, see The Poetry Foundation page: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-sidney-herbert" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-sidney-herbert</a></p>

<p>For the Geneva translation of Psalm 52, which Mary Sidney would have known, see here:<br>
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2052&version=GNV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2052&amp;version=GNV</a></p>

<p>For a new collection of English translations of the psalms in the early modern era, see <a href="https://a.co/d/6lKqKPS" rel="nofollow">The Psalms in English 1530-1633 (Tudor and Stuart Translations)</a>, edited by Hannibal Hamlin.</p>

<p><strong>Psalm 52</strong><br>
translated by Mary Sidney</p>

<p>Tyrant, why swell’st thou thus,<br>
 Of mischief vaunting?<br>
Since help from God to us<br>
 Is never wanting.</p>

<p>Lewd lies thy tongue contrives,<br>
 Loud lies it soundeth;<br>
Sharper than sharpest knives<br>
 With lies it woundeth.</p>

<p>Falsehood thy wit approves,<br>
 All truth rejected:<br>
Thy will all vices loves,<br>
 Virtue neglected.</p>

<p>Not words from cursed thee,<br>
 But gulfs are poured;<br>
Gulfs wherein daily be<br>
 Good men devoured.</p>

<p>Think’st thou to bear it so?<br>
 God shall displace thee;<br>
God shall thee overthrow,<br>
 Crush thee, deface thee.</p>

<p>The just shall fearing see<br>
 These fearful chances,<br>
And laughing shoot at thee<br>
 With scornful glances.</p>

<p>Lo, lo, the wretched wight,<br>
 Who God disdaining,<br>
His mischief made his might,<br>
 His guard his gaining.</p>

<p>I as an olive tree<br>
 Still green shall flourish:<br>
God’s house the soil shall be<br>
 My roots to nourish.</p>

<p>My trust in his true love<br>
 Truly attending,<br>
Shall never thence remove,<br>
 Never see ending.</p>

<p>Thee will I honour still,<br>
 Lord, for this justice;<br>
There fix my hopes I will<br>
 Where thy saints’ trust is.</p>

<p>Thy saints trust in thy name,<br>
 Therein they joy them:<br>
Protected by the same,<br>
 Naught can annoy them.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Psalm 52 concerns a lying tyrant and God&#39;s impending judgment. Mary Sidney, who lived 1561-1621, was an extraordinary writer, editor, and literary patron. Like many talented writers of her time, she translated all the psalms. Here we talk about translation, early modern women&#39;s writing, religious engagements with politics, and the power of Psalm 52. </p>

<p>For more on Mary Sidney, see The Poetry Foundation page: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-sidney-herbert" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-sidney-herbert</a></p>

<p>For the Geneva translation of Psalm 52, which Mary Sidney would have known, see here:<br>
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2052&version=GNV" rel="nofollow">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2052&amp;version=GNV</a></p>

<p>For a new collection of English translations of the psalms in the early modern era, see <a href="https://a.co/d/6lKqKPS" rel="nofollow">The Psalms in English 1530-1633 (Tudor and Stuart Translations)</a>, edited by Hannibal Hamlin.</p>

<p><strong>Psalm 52</strong><br>
translated by Mary Sidney</p>

<p>Tyrant, why swell’st thou thus,<br>
 Of mischief vaunting?<br>
Since help from God to us<br>
 Is never wanting.</p>

<p>Lewd lies thy tongue contrives,<br>
 Loud lies it soundeth;<br>
Sharper than sharpest knives<br>
 With lies it woundeth.</p>

<p>Falsehood thy wit approves,<br>
 All truth rejected:<br>
Thy will all vices loves,<br>
 Virtue neglected.</p>

<p>Not words from cursed thee,<br>
 But gulfs are poured;<br>
Gulfs wherein daily be<br>
 Good men devoured.</p>

<p>Think’st thou to bear it so?<br>
 God shall displace thee;<br>
God shall thee overthrow,<br>
 Crush thee, deface thee.</p>

<p>The just shall fearing see<br>
 These fearful chances,<br>
And laughing shoot at thee<br>
 With scornful glances.</p>

<p>Lo, lo, the wretched wight,<br>
 Who God disdaining,<br>
His mischief made his might,<br>
 His guard his gaining.</p>

<p>I as an olive tree<br>
 Still green shall flourish:<br>
God’s house the soil shall be<br>
 My roots to nourish.</p>

<p>My trust in his true love<br>
 Truly attending,<br>
Shall never thence remove,<br>
 Never see ending.</p>

<p>Thee will I honour still,<br>
 Lord, for this justice;<br>
There fix my hopes I will<br>
 Where thy saints’ trust is.</p>

<p>Thy saints trust in thy name,<br>
 Therein they joy them:<br>
Protected by the same,<br>
 Naught can annoy them.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 81: Niki Herd, The Stuff of Hollywood</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Niki Herd joins us to read and discuss an excerpt from The Stuff of Hollywood, a collection in which Herd experiments with a range of forms and procedures to examine the history of violence in America.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>37:37</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Niki Herd joins us to read and discuss an excerpt from The Stuff of Hollywood, a collection in which Herd experiments with a range of forms and procedures to examine the history of violence in America.</p>

<p>To learn more about Niki Herd, you can visit her <a href="https://www.nikiherd.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p><em>The Stuff of Hollywood</em> was just published by Copper Canyon Website. Please visit their <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/the-stuff-of-hollywood-by-niki-herd/" rel="nofollow">website</a> to purchase a copy.</p>

<p>Photo credit: Madeline Brenner</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>found poetry, ekphrasis, documentary poetics, gun violence, erasure poetry, word and image, Birth of a Nation</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Niki Herd joins us to read and discuss an excerpt from The Stuff of Hollywood, a collection in which Herd experiments with a range of forms and procedures to examine the history of violence in America.</p>

<p>To learn more about Niki Herd, you can visit her <a href="https://www.nikiherd.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p><em>The Stuff of Hollywood</em> was just published by Copper Canyon Website. Please visit their <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/the-stuff-of-hollywood-by-niki-herd/" rel="nofollow">website</a> to purchase a copy.</p>

<p>Photo credit: Madeline Brenner</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Niki Herd joins us to read and discuss an excerpt from The Stuff of Hollywood, a collection in which Herd experiments with a range of forms and procedures to examine the history of violence in America.</p>

<p>To learn more about Niki Herd, you can visit her <a href="https://www.nikiherd.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p><em>The Stuff of Hollywood</em> was just published by Copper Canyon Website. Please visit their <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/the-stuff-of-hollywood-by-niki-herd/" rel="nofollow">website</a> to purchase a copy.</p>

<p>Photo credit: Madeline Brenner</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 80: Percy Bysshe Shelley, Ozymandias</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2024 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we closely read Shelley's "Ozymandias," a poem written in a time of revolution and social protest. We focus on the poem's sonnet structure, its engagement with--and critique of--empire, its meditation on the bust of Ramses II, and its afterlife in an episode of Breaking Bad. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>21:11</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Shelley&#39;s &quot;Ozymandias,&quot; a poem written in a time of revolution and social protest. We focus on the poem&#39;s sonnet structure, its engagement with--and critique of--empire, its meditation on the bust of Ramses II, and its afterlife in an episode of _Breaking Bad. _</p>

<p>To learn more about Percy Bysshe Shelley, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/percy-bysshe-shelley" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Here is the text of the poem:</p>

<p>I met a traveller from an antique land,<br>
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone<br>
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,<br>
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,<br>
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,<br>
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read<br>
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,<br>
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;<br>
And on the pedestal, these words appear:<br>
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;<br>
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!<br>
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay<br>
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare<br>
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”</p>

<p>Photo: Ramses II, British Museum</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Shelley&#39;s &quot;Ozymandias,&quot; a poem written in a time of revolution and social protest. We focus on the poem&#39;s sonnet structure, its engagement with--and critique of--empire, its meditation on the bust of Ramses II, and its afterlife in an episode of _Breaking Bad. _</p>

<p>To learn more about Percy Bysshe Shelley, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/percy-bysshe-shelley" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Here is the text of the poem:</p>

<p>I met a traveller from an antique land,<br>
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone<br>
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,<br>
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,<br>
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,<br>
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read<br>
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,<br>
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;<br>
And on the pedestal, these words appear:<br>
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;<br>
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!<br>
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay<br>
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare<br>
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”</p>

<p>Photo: Ramses II, British Museum</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Shelley&#39;s &quot;Ozymandias,&quot; a poem written in a time of revolution and social protest. We focus on the poem&#39;s sonnet structure, its engagement with--and critique of--empire, its meditation on the bust of Ramses II, and its afterlife in an episode of _Breaking Bad. _</p>

<p>To learn more about Percy Bysshe Shelley, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/percy-bysshe-shelley" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Here is the text of the poem:</p>

<p>I met a traveller from an antique land,<br>
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone<br>
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,<br>
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,<br>
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,<br>
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read<br>
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,<br>
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;<br>
And on the pedestal, these words appear:<br>
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;<br>
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!<br>
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay<br>
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare<br>
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”</p>

<p>Photo: Ramses II, British Museum</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 79: W.H. Auden, Musée des Beaux Arts</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Shankar Vendantam joins us to read and discuss "Musee des Beaux Arts," a poem that explores the ways in which humans become indifferent to the suffering of others.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>39:01</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Shankar Vendantam joins us to read and discuss &quot;Musee des Beaux Arts,&quot; a poem that explores the ways in which humans become indifferent to the suffering of others.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shankar Vendantam and the Hidden Brain podcast, visit his <a href="https://www.npr.org/people/137765146/shankar-vedantam" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>To read Auden&#39;s poem, click <a href="https://english.emory.edu/classes/paintings&poems/auden.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Curtis Brown Ltd. for granting us permission to read this poem. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>Daedalus and Icarus, ekphrasis, W.H. Auden, Musee des Beaux Arts, intertextuality, egocentric bias, habituation, suffering, remembrance, forgetting, psychology, virtue, human nature, attention, catastrophe</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Shankar Vendantam joins us to read and discuss &quot;Musee des Beaux Arts,&quot; a poem that explores the ways in which humans become indifferent to the suffering of others.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shankar Vendantam and the Hidden Brain podcast, visit his <a href="https://www.npr.org/people/137765146/shankar-vedantam" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>To read Auden&#39;s poem, click <a href="https://english.emory.edu/classes/paintings&poems/auden.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Curtis Brown Ltd. for granting us permission to read this poem. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Shankar Vendantam joins us to read and discuss &quot;Musee des Beaux Arts,&quot; a poem that explores the ways in which humans become indifferent to the suffering of others.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shankar Vendantam and the Hidden Brain podcast, visit his <a href="https://www.npr.org/people/137765146/shankar-vedantam" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>To read Auden&#39;s poem, click <a href="https://english.emory.edu/classes/paintings&poems/auden.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Curtis Brown Ltd. for granting us permission to read this poem. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 78: Jericho Brown, Duplex</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss Jericho Brown's "Duplex," a poetic form that he created in order to explore the complexities of family, violence, and desire. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>22:16</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Jericho Brown&#39;s &quot;Duplex,&quot; a poetic form that he created in order to explore the complexities of family, violence, and desire. </p>

<p>This is one of several duplex poems that you can find in <em><a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/the-tradition-by-jericho-brown/" rel="nofollow">The Tradition</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2020), the winner of the 2020 Pulitzer Prize. Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem. </p>

<p>To learn more about Jericho Brown, visit his <a href="https://www.jerichobrown.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the duplex form, you can read <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/featured-blogger/81611/invention" rel="nofollow">Brown&#39;s essay</a> on the Poetry Foundation&#39;s Harriet blog. We also love Jericho Brown&#39;s <a href="https://www.benningtonreview.org/jericho-brown-interview" rel="nofollow"> interview with Michael Dumanis</a> in the <em>Bennington Review.</em></p>

<p>Cover art: Lauren “Ralphi” Burgess. To learn more about her work, visit her <a href="https://www.rphrt.com/about" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, duplex, Black History Month, LGBTQIA Month, body in pain, repetition, refrain, eros and desire, intimacy</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Jericho Brown&#39;s &quot;Duplex,&quot; a poetic form that he created in order to explore the complexities of family, violence, and desire. </p>

<p>This is one of several duplex poems that you can find in <em><a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/the-tradition-by-jericho-brown/" rel="nofollow">The Tradition</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2020), the winner of the 2020 Pulitzer Prize. Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem. </p>

<p>To learn more about Jericho Brown, visit his <a href="https://www.jerichobrown.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the duplex form, you can read <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/featured-blogger/81611/invention" rel="nofollow">Brown&#39;s essay</a> on the Poetry Foundation&#39;s Harriet blog. We also love Jericho Brown&#39;s <a href="https://www.benningtonreview.org/jericho-brown-interview" rel="nofollow"> interview with Michael Dumanis</a> in the <em>Bennington Review.</em></p>

<p>Cover art: Lauren “Ralphi” Burgess. To learn more about her work, visit her <a href="https://www.rphrt.com/about" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Jericho Brown&#39;s &quot;Duplex,&quot; a poetic form that he created in order to explore the complexities of family, violence, and desire. </p>

<p>This is one of several duplex poems that you can find in <em><a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/the-tradition-by-jericho-brown/" rel="nofollow">The Tradition</a></em> (Copper Canyon Press, 2020), the winner of the 2020 Pulitzer Prize. Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem. </p>

<p>To learn more about Jericho Brown, visit his <a href="https://www.jerichobrown.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the duplex form, you can read <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/featured-blogger/81611/invention" rel="nofollow">Brown&#39;s essay</a> on the Poetry Foundation&#39;s Harriet blog. We also love Jericho Brown&#39;s <a href="https://www.benningtonreview.org/jericho-brown-interview" rel="nofollow"> interview with Michael Dumanis</a> in the <em>Bennington Review.</em></p>

<p>Cover art: Lauren “Ralphi” Burgess. To learn more about her work, visit her <a href="https://www.rphrt.com/about" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 77: Jennifer Grotz, The Conversion of Paul</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>26:14</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 76: Philip Levine, What Work Is</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss Philip Levine's most famous poem, "What Work Is." We consider his deft use of the second-person perspective, the sociability and narrative energy of his poetry, and his deep concern for the insecurity that defines the lives of so working-class laborers.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Philip Levine&#39;s most famous poem, &quot;What Work Is.&quot; We consider his deft use of the second-person perspective, the sociability and narrative energy of his poetry, and his deep concern for the insecurity that defines the lives of so working-class laborers.</p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;What Work Is&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52173/what-work-is" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52173/what-work-is</a></p>

<p>Photo credit: Geoffrey Berliner</p>

<p>&quot;What Work Is&quot; was published in <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100554/what-work-is-by-philip-levine/" rel="nofollow">What Work Is</a></em> (Knopf, 1991). Thanks to Penguin Random House for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Philip Levine&#39;s most famous poem, &quot;What Work Is.&quot; We consider his deft use of the second-person perspective, the sociability and narrative energy of his poetry, and his deep concern for the insecurity that defines the lives of so working-class laborers.</p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;What Work Is&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52173/what-work-is" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52173/what-work-is</a></p>

<p>Photo credit: Geoffrey Berliner</p>

<p>&quot;What Work Is&quot; was published in <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100554/what-work-is-by-philip-levine/" rel="nofollow">What Work Is</a></em> (Knopf, 1991). Thanks to Penguin Random House for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Philip Levine&#39;s most famous poem, &quot;What Work Is.&quot; We consider his deft use of the second-person perspective, the sociability and narrative energy of his poetry, and his deep concern for the insecurity that defines the lives of so working-class laborers.</p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;What Work Is&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52173/what-work-is" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52173/what-work-is</a></p>

<p>Photo credit: Geoffrey Berliner</p>

<p>&quot;What Work Is&quot; was published in <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/100554/what-work-is-by-philip-levine/" rel="nofollow">What Work Is</a></em> (Knopf, 1991). Thanks to Penguin Random House for granting us permission to read this poem.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 75: Du Fu, Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu, the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu (712-770 C.E.), the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</p>

<p>Click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/tu-fu" rel="nofollow">here</a> to learn more about Du Fu.</p>

<p>Lucas Bender is the author of <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674260177" rel="nofollow"><em>Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse</em></a> (Harvard University Press, 2021).</p>

<p>To learn more about Luke Bender, visit his <a href="https://campuspress.yale.edu/lucasrambobender/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover art: Wang Hui, Ten Thousand Li up the Yangtze River, Qing Dynasty. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu (712-770 C.E.), the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</p>

<p>Click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/tu-fu" rel="nofollow">here</a> to learn more about Du Fu.</p>

<p>Lucas Bender is the author of <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674260177" rel="nofollow"><em>Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse</em></a> (Harvard University Press, 2021).</p>

<p>To learn more about Luke Bender, visit his <a href="https://campuspress.yale.edu/lucasrambobender/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover art: Wang Hui, Ten Thousand Li up the Yangtze River, Qing Dynasty. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu (712-770 C.E.), the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</p>

<p>Click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/tu-fu" rel="nofollow">here</a> to learn more about Du Fu.</p>

<p>Lucas Bender is the author of <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674260177" rel="nofollow"><em>Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse</em></a> (Harvard University Press, 2021).</p>

<p>To learn more about Luke Bender, visit his <a href="https://campuspress.yale.edu/lucasrambobender/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover art: Wang Hui, Ten Thousand Li up the Yangtze River, Qing Dynasty. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 74: Diane Seuss, [The sonnet, like poverty]</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2024 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>24:22</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read and discuss the poem. Diane Seuss&#39;s &quot;[The sonnet, like poverty, teaches you what you can do]&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>frank: sonnets</em> (Graywolf, 2021). </p>

<p>See the work (and buy it!) here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets</a></p>

<p>For more on Diane Seuss, see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss</a></p>

<p>For more on the Sealey Challenge, see here: <a href="https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read and discuss the poem. Diane Seuss&#39;s &quot;[The sonnet, like poverty, teaches you what you can do]&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>frank: sonnets</em> (Graywolf, 2021). </p>

<p>See the work (and buy it!) here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets</a></p>

<p>For more on Diane Seuss, see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss</a></p>

<p>For more on the Sealey Challenge, see here: <a href="https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read and discuss the poem. Diane Seuss&#39;s &quot;[The sonnet, like poverty, teaches you what you can do]&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>frank: sonnets</em> (Graywolf, 2021). </p>

<p>See the work (and buy it!) here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets</a></p>

<p>For more on Diane Seuss, see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss</a></p>

<p>For more on the Sealey Challenge, see here: <a href="https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 73: Sor Juana Inez de la Cruz, Sonnet 189</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Professor Stephanie Kirk guides our reading of Sor Juana Inez de la Cruz’s “Sonnet 189.” Her scholarly insights help us to appreciate the nuances of Sor Juana’s poetry and her importance in her own lifetime and beyond.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Professor Stephanie Kirk guides our reading of Sor Juana Inez de la Cruz’s “Sonnet 189.” Her scholarly insights help us to appreciate the nuances of Sor Juana’s poetry and her importance in her own lifetime and beyond.</p>

<p>Professor Kirk read Edith Grossman&#39;s translation of &quot;Sonnet 189&quot; from <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393920161" rel="nofollow">Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz: Selected Works</a></em>. Copyright (c) 2014 by Edith Grossman. With permission of the publisher, W. W. Norton &amp; Company, Inc.</p>

<p>To learn more about Stephanie Kirk’s scholarship, you can click <a href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/stephanie-kirk" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Cover image: Miguel Cabrera, posthumous portrait of Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz, 1750. Museo Nacional de Historia, Mexico City, Mexico. Public domain.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Professor Stephanie Kirk guides our reading of Sor Juana Inez de la Cruz’s “Sonnet 189.” Her scholarly insights help us to appreciate the nuances of Sor Juana’s poetry and her importance in her own lifetime and beyond.</p>

<p>Professor Kirk read Edith Grossman&#39;s translation of &quot;Sonnet 189&quot; from <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393920161" rel="nofollow">Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz: Selected Works</a></em>. Copyright (c) 2014 by Edith Grossman. With permission of the publisher, W. W. Norton &amp; Company, Inc.</p>

<p>To learn more about Stephanie Kirk’s scholarship, you can click <a href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/stephanie-kirk" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Cover image: Miguel Cabrera, posthumous portrait of Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz, 1750. Museo Nacional de Historia, Mexico City, Mexico. Public domain.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Professor Stephanie Kirk guides our reading of Sor Juana Inez de la Cruz’s “Sonnet 189.” Her scholarly insights help us to appreciate the nuances of Sor Juana’s poetry and her importance in her own lifetime and beyond.</p>

<p>Professor Kirk read Edith Grossman&#39;s translation of &quot;Sonnet 189&quot; from <em><a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393920161" rel="nofollow">Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz: Selected Works</a></em>. Copyright (c) 2014 by Edith Grossman. With permission of the publisher, W. W. Norton &amp; Company, Inc.</p>

<p>To learn more about Stephanie Kirk’s scholarship, you can click <a href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/stephanie-kirk" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Cover image: Miguel Cabrera, posthumous portrait of Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz, 1750. Museo Nacional de Historia, Mexico City, Mexico. Public domain.</p>]]>
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      <title>Word Made Fresh (and Exciting Updates)</title>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We're interrupting your summer this week with a few exciting updates about Poetry For All and an excerpt from Abram Van Engen's newly released book, WORD MADE FRESH.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re interrupting your summer this week with a few exciting updates about Poetry For All and an excerpt from Abram Van Engen&#39;s newly released book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/07v1cD4a" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a></em>.</p>

<p>If you want to join Abram for a book launch online on July 9 at 4pm Eastern, <a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZclde2srz8uGNxRv0IOrlI5m5HPzEUN0BZv#/registration" rel="nofollow">register for free by clicking this link.</a></p>

<p>And if you want a free subscription to <a href="https://imagejournal.org/" rel="nofollow">Image Journal</a>, which is an incredible faith and arts magazine, <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaChG6KXAca5PX0Q34-eb2APcX8yTw6ipOOIVaLmncVMMctQ/viewform" rel="nofollow">check out this offer here by clicking this link</a>.</p>

<p>You can see the book here: <a href="https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883605/word-made-fresh/" rel="nofollow">https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883605/word-made-fresh/</a></p>

<p>Or at Amazon: <a href="https://a.co/d/0j5d3utJ" rel="nofollow">https://a.co/d/0j5d3utJ</a></p>

<p>If you read it, leave a review!</p>

<p>Thanks for listening.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>Word Made Fresh, poetry, church, faith, arts</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re interrupting your summer this week with a few exciting updates about Poetry For All and an excerpt from Abram Van Engen&#39;s newly released book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/07v1cD4a" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a></em>.</p>

<p>If you want to join Abram for a book launch online on July 9 at 4pm Eastern, <a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZclde2srz8uGNxRv0IOrlI5m5HPzEUN0BZv#/registration" rel="nofollow">register for free by clicking this link.</a></p>

<p>And if you want a free subscription to <a href="https://imagejournal.org/" rel="nofollow">Image Journal</a>, which is an incredible faith and arts magazine, <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaChG6KXAca5PX0Q34-eb2APcX8yTw6ipOOIVaLmncVMMctQ/viewform" rel="nofollow">check out this offer here by clicking this link</a>.</p>

<p>You can see the book here: <a href="https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883605/word-made-fresh/" rel="nofollow">https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883605/word-made-fresh/</a></p>

<p>Or at Amazon: <a href="https://a.co/d/0j5d3utJ" rel="nofollow">https://a.co/d/0j5d3utJ</a></p>

<p>If you read it, leave a review!</p>

<p>Thanks for listening.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Book Launch for Word Made Fresh" rel="nofollow" href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZclde2srz8uGNxRv0IOrlI5m5HPzEUN0BZv#/registration">Book Launch for Word Made Fresh</a> &mdash; Book Launch for Word Made Fresh, July 9 at 4pm EST</li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We&#39;re interrupting your summer this week with a few exciting updates about Poetry For All and an excerpt from Abram Van Engen&#39;s newly released book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/07v1cD4a" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a></em>.</p>

<p>If you want to join Abram for a book launch online on July 9 at 4pm Eastern, <a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZclde2srz8uGNxRv0IOrlI5m5HPzEUN0BZv#/registration" rel="nofollow">register for free by clicking this link.</a></p>

<p>And if you want a free subscription to <a href="https://imagejournal.org/" rel="nofollow">Image Journal</a>, which is an incredible faith and arts magazine, <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdaChG6KXAca5PX0Q34-eb2APcX8yTw6ipOOIVaLmncVMMctQ/viewform" rel="nofollow">check out this offer here by clicking this link</a>.</p>

<p>You can see the book here: <a href="https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883605/word-made-fresh/" rel="nofollow">https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883605/word-made-fresh/</a></p>

<p>Or at Amazon: <a href="https://a.co/d/0j5d3utJ" rel="nofollow">https://a.co/d/0j5d3utJ</a></p>

<p>If you read it, leave a review!</p>

<p>Thanks for listening.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Book Launch for Word Made Fresh" rel="nofollow" href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZclde2srz8uGNxRv0IOrlI5m5HPzEUN0BZv#/registration">Book Launch for Word Made Fresh</a> &mdash; Book Launch for Word Made Fresh, July 9 at 4pm EST</li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 72: Victoria Chang, My Mother--died unpeacefully...</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection OBIT, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.

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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 71: Hopkins, As Kingfishers Catch Fire</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2024 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This episode dives into the wonderful world of Gerard Manley Hopkins, the musicality of his language, and the vision he has of becoming what we already are.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode dives into the wonderful world of Gerard Manley Hopkins, the musicality of his language, and the vision he has of becoming what we already are.</p>

<p>This poem illustrates the cover of Abram Van Engen&#39;s new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/ixArJjV" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a></em>. The book explores connections between poetry and faith, and it serves as an invitation to reading poetry of all kinds--with tools and tips for how to get started and explore broadly.</p>

<p>Special thanks to <a href="https://www.johnhendrix.com/" rel="nofollow">John Hendrix</a> for the cover illustration of <em>Word Made Fresh</em>, which is an illustration of &quot;As Kingfishers Catch Fire.&quot;</p>

<p>Here is the poem by Hopkins:</p>

<p><strong>As Kingfishers Catch Fire</strong></p>

<p>As kingfishers catch fire, dragonflies draw flame;<br>
As tumbled over rim in roundy wells<br>
Stones ring; like each tucked string tells, each hung bell&#39;s<br>
Bow swung finds tongue to fling out broad its name;<br>
Each mortal thing does one thing and the same:<br>
Deals out that being indoors each one dwells;<br>
Selves — goes itself; myself it speaks and spells,<br>
Crying Whát I dó is me: for that I came.</p>

<p>I say móre: the just man justices;<br>
Keeps grace: thát keeps all his goings graces;<br>
Acts in God&#39;s eye what in God&#39;s eye he is —<br>
Chríst — for Christ plays in ten thousand places,<br>
Lovely in limbs, and lovely in eyes not his<br>
To the Father through the features of men&#39;s faces.</p>

<p>See the poem at the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For more on Hopkins, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/gerard-manley-hopkins" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>The last chapter of <a href="https://a.co/d/626hzDG" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a> dwells at length on this poem by Hopkins as an expression of what poetry does and can do in the world.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode dives into the wonderful world of Gerard Manley Hopkins, the musicality of his language, and the vision he has of becoming what we already are.</p>

<p>This poem illustrates the cover of Abram Van Engen&#39;s new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/ixArJjV" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a></em>. The book explores connections between poetry and faith, and it serves as an invitation to reading poetry of all kinds--with tools and tips for how to get started and explore broadly.</p>

<p>Special thanks to <a href="https://www.johnhendrix.com/" rel="nofollow">John Hendrix</a> for the cover illustration of <em>Word Made Fresh</em>, which is an illustration of &quot;As Kingfishers Catch Fire.&quot;</p>

<p>Here is the poem by Hopkins:</p>

<p><strong>As Kingfishers Catch Fire</strong></p>

<p>As kingfishers catch fire, dragonflies draw flame;<br>
As tumbled over rim in roundy wells<br>
Stones ring; like each tucked string tells, each hung bell&#39;s<br>
Bow swung finds tongue to fling out broad its name;<br>
Each mortal thing does one thing and the same:<br>
Deals out that being indoors each one dwells;<br>
Selves — goes itself; myself it speaks and spells,<br>
Crying Whát I dó is me: for that I came.</p>

<p>I say móre: the just man justices;<br>
Keeps grace: thát keeps all his goings graces;<br>
Acts in God&#39;s eye what in God&#39;s eye he is —<br>
Chríst — for Christ plays in ten thousand places,<br>
Lovely in limbs, and lovely in eyes not his<br>
To the Father through the features of men&#39;s faces.</p>

<p>See the poem at the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For more on Hopkins, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/gerard-manley-hopkins" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>The last chapter of <a href="https://a.co/d/626hzDG" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a> dwells at length on this poem by Hopkins as an expression of what poetry does and can do in the world.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Word Made Fresh: An Invitation to Poetry for the Church" rel="nofollow" href="https://a.co/d/hRWJYoa">Word Made Fresh: An Invitation to Poetry for the Church</a> &mdash; Have you ever read a book that turned your world upside down? What about a poem?  
 
Poetry has the power to enliven, challenge, change, and enrich our lives. But it can also feel intimidating, confusing, or simply “not for us.” In these joyful and wise reflections, Abram Van Engen shows readers how poetry is for everyone—and how it can reinvigorate our Christian faith. 
 
Intertwining close readings with personal storytelling, Van Engen explains how and why to read poems as a spiritual practice. Far from dry, academic instruction, his approach encourages readers to delight in poetry, even as they come to understand its form. He also opens up the meaning of poetry and parables in Scripture, revealing the deep connection between literature and theology. 
 
Word Made Fresh is more than a guide to poetry—it’s an invitation to wonder, to speak up, to lament, to praise. Including dozens of poems from diverse authors, this book will inspire curious and thoughtful readers to see God and God’s creation in surprising new ways.</li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This episode dives into the wonderful world of Gerard Manley Hopkins, the musicality of his language, and the vision he has of becoming what we already are.</p>

<p>This poem illustrates the cover of Abram Van Engen&#39;s new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/ixArJjV" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a></em>. The book explores connections between poetry and faith, and it serves as an invitation to reading poetry of all kinds--with tools and tips for how to get started and explore broadly.</p>

<p>Special thanks to <a href="https://www.johnhendrix.com/" rel="nofollow">John Hendrix</a> for the cover illustration of <em>Word Made Fresh</em>, which is an illustration of &quot;As Kingfishers Catch Fire.&quot;</p>

<p>Here is the poem by Hopkins:</p>

<p><strong>As Kingfishers Catch Fire</strong></p>

<p>As kingfishers catch fire, dragonflies draw flame;<br>
As tumbled over rim in roundy wells<br>
Stones ring; like each tucked string tells, each hung bell&#39;s<br>
Bow swung finds tongue to fling out broad its name;<br>
Each mortal thing does one thing and the same:<br>
Deals out that being indoors each one dwells;<br>
Selves — goes itself; myself it speaks and spells,<br>
Crying Whát I dó is me: for that I came.</p>

<p>I say móre: the just man justices;<br>
Keeps grace: thát keeps all his goings graces;<br>
Acts in God&#39;s eye what in God&#39;s eye he is —<br>
Chríst — for Christ plays in ten thousand places,<br>
Lovely in limbs, and lovely in eyes not his<br>
To the Father through the features of men&#39;s faces.</p>

<p>See the poem at the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For more on Hopkins, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/gerard-manley-hopkins" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>The last chapter of <a href="https://a.co/d/626hzDG" rel="nofollow">Word Made Fresh</a> dwells at length on this poem by Hopkins as an expression of what poetry does and can do in the world.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Word Made Fresh: An Invitation to Poetry for the Church" rel="nofollow" href="https://a.co/d/hRWJYoa">Word Made Fresh: An Invitation to Poetry for the Church</a> &mdash; Have you ever read a book that turned your world upside down? What about a poem?  
 
Poetry has the power to enliven, challenge, change, and enrich our lives. But it can also feel intimidating, confusing, or simply “not for us.” In these joyful and wise reflections, Abram Van Engen shows readers how poetry is for everyone—and how it can reinvigorate our Christian faith. 
 
Intertwining close readings with personal storytelling, Van Engen explains how and why to read poems as a spiritual practice. Far from dry, academic instruction, his approach encourages readers to delight in poetry, even as they come to understand its form. He also opens up the meaning of poetry and parables in Scripture, revealing the deep connection between literature and theology. 
 
Word Made Fresh is more than a guide to poetry—it’s an invitation to wonder, to speak up, to lament, to praise. Including dozens of poems from diverse authors, this book will inspire curious and thoughtful readers to see God and God’s creation in surprising new ways.</li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 70: Lauren Camp, Inner Planets</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lauren Camp joins us to read and discuss &quot;Inner Planets,&quot; a poem that she wrote during her time as the astronomer in residence at Grand Canyon National Park. She describes her poetic process and the value of solitude in a place full of wonderment. </p>

<p>To learn more about the Grand Canyon Astronomer in Residence program, click <a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/experience-grand-canyon/residency-program/astronomer-in-residence" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Lauren Camp, visit her <a href="https://www.laurencamp.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Lauren&#39;s newest collection, <em><a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/products/grand-canyon-conservancy-in-old-sky-gc-poetry-book-10247" rel="nofollow">In Old Sky</a></em>, is a collection of the poems that were inspired by the Grand Canyon. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lauren Camp joins us to read and discuss &quot;Inner Planets,&quot; a poem that she wrote during her time as the astronomer in residence at Grand Canyon National Park. She describes her poetic process and the value of solitude in a place full of wonderment. </p>

<p>To learn more about the Grand Canyon Astronomer in Residence program, click <a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/experience-grand-canyon/residency-program/astronomer-in-residence" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Lauren Camp, visit her <a href="https://www.laurencamp.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Lauren&#39;s newest collection, <em><a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/products/grand-canyon-conservancy-in-old-sky-gc-poetry-book-10247" rel="nofollow">In Old Sky</a></em>, is a collection of the poems that were inspired by the Grand Canyon. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lauren Camp joins us to read and discuss &quot;Inner Planets,&quot; a poem that she wrote during her time as the astronomer in residence at Grand Canyon National Park. She describes her poetic process and the value of solitude in a place full of wonderment. </p>

<p>To learn more about the Grand Canyon Astronomer in Residence program, click <a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/experience-grand-canyon/residency-program/astronomer-in-residence" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Lauren Camp, visit her <a href="https://www.laurencamp.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Lauren&#39;s newest collection, <em><a href="https://www.grandcanyon.org/products/grand-canyon-conservancy-in-old-sky-gc-poetry-book-10247" rel="nofollow">In Old Sky</a></em>, is a collection of the poems that were inspired by the Grand Canyon. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 69: Live with Marilyn Nelson!</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Our first live performance of the podcast, featuring Marilyn Nelson and a discussion or her amazing poem "How I Discovered Poetry."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>55:17</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Our first live performance of the podcast, featuring Marilyn Nelson and a discussion or her amazing poem &quot;How I Discovered Poetry.&quot;</p>

<p>On January 31, we met at Calvin University for its January Series and spoke with Marilyn Nelson about poetry and her work for a live audience.</p>

<p>For more on Marilyn Nelson, visit <a href="https://marilyn-nelson.com/" rel="nofollow">her website</a> or <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marilyn-nelson" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>This poem is the title poem of an extraordinary book called <em><a href="https://a.co/d/6xrZVm9" rel="nofollow">How I Discovered Poetry</a></em></p>

<p>It was originally published in <em><a href="https://a.co/d/0iajt2m" rel="nofollow">The Fields of Praise: New and Selected Poems</a></em></p>

<p>Thank you to LSU Press for permission to read and discussion this poem on our podcast.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Our first live performance of the podcast, featuring Marilyn Nelson and a discussion or her amazing poem &quot;How I Discovered Poetry.&quot;</p>

<p>On January 31, we met at Calvin University for its January Series and spoke with Marilyn Nelson about poetry and her work for a live audience.</p>

<p>For more on Marilyn Nelson, visit <a href="https://marilyn-nelson.com/" rel="nofollow">her website</a> or <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marilyn-nelson" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>This poem is the title poem of an extraordinary book called <em><a href="https://a.co/d/6xrZVm9" rel="nofollow">How I Discovered Poetry</a></em></p>

<p>It was originally published in <em><a href="https://a.co/d/0iajt2m" rel="nofollow">The Fields of Praise: New and Selected Poems</a></em></p>

<p>Thank you to LSU Press for permission to read and discussion this poem on our podcast.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Our first live performance of the podcast, featuring Marilyn Nelson and a discussion or her amazing poem &quot;How I Discovered Poetry.&quot;</p>

<p>On January 31, we met at Calvin University for its January Series and spoke with Marilyn Nelson about poetry and her work for a live audience.</p>

<p>For more on Marilyn Nelson, visit <a href="https://marilyn-nelson.com/" rel="nofollow">her website</a> or <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marilyn-nelson" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>This poem is the title poem of an extraordinary book called <em><a href="https://a.co/d/6xrZVm9" rel="nofollow">How I Discovered Poetry</a></em></p>

<p>It was originally published in <em><a href="https://a.co/d/0iajt2m" rel="nofollow">The Fields of Praise: New and Selected Poems</a></em></p>

<p>Thank you to LSU Press for permission to read and discussion this poem on our podcast.</p>]]>
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      <title>Announcement</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Some news!</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We share some news about a new website at poetryforallpod.com and a live event next week!</p>

<p><a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We share some news about a new website at poetryforallpod.com and a live event next week!</p>

<p><a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We share some news about a new website at poetryforallpod.com and a live event next week!</p>

<p><a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 68: W.S. Merwin, To the New Year</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In the first episode of 2024, we read one of the great poets of the past century, W.S. Merwin, and his address to the new year, considering his attentiveness, his style, and his wondrous mood and mode of contemplation and surprise.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of 2024, we read one of the great poets of the past century, W.S. Merwin, and his address to the new year, considering his attentiveness, his style, and his wondrous mood and mode of contemplation and surprise. Picking up on the &quot;radical hope&quot; we discussed in Dimitrov&#39;s &quot;Winter Solstice,&quot; we turn to Merwin&#39;s sense of what is untouched but still possible as he greets the new year.</p>

<p>In this episode, we quote a few pieces from The New Yorker. Here they are, plus a few other resources.</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/18/the-ascetic-insight-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Aesthetic Insight of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Dan Chiasson</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/the-final-prophecy-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Final Prophecy of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Dan Chiasson</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-palm-trees-and-poetry-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Palm Trees and Poetry of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Casey Cep</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/when-you-go-away-remembering-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">When You Go Away: Remembering W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Kevin Young</p>

<p>See also <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>The poem originally appeared in <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/present-company-by-w-s-merwin/" rel="nofollow"><em>Present Company</em></a> (Copper Canyon Press, 2005). Thanks to the Wylie Agency for granting us permission to read this poem on the episode. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of 2024, we read one of the great poets of the past century, W.S. Merwin, and his address to the new year, considering his attentiveness, his style, and his wondrous mood and mode of contemplation and surprise. Picking up on the &quot;radical hope&quot; we discussed in Dimitrov&#39;s &quot;Winter Solstice,&quot; we turn to Merwin&#39;s sense of what is untouched but still possible as he greets the new year.</p>

<p>In this episode, we quote a few pieces from The New Yorker. Here they are, plus a few other resources.</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/18/the-ascetic-insight-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Aesthetic Insight of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Dan Chiasson</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/the-final-prophecy-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Final Prophecy of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Dan Chiasson</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-palm-trees-and-poetry-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Palm Trees and Poetry of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Casey Cep</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/when-you-go-away-remembering-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">When You Go Away: Remembering W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Kevin Young</p>

<p>See also <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>The poem originally appeared in <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/present-company-by-w-s-merwin/" rel="nofollow"><em>Present Company</em></a> (Copper Canyon Press, 2005). Thanks to the Wylie Agency for granting us permission to read this poem on the episode. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In the first episode of 2024, we read one of the great poets of the past century, W.S. Merwin, and his address to the new year, considering his attentiveness, his style, and his wondrous mood and mode of contemplation and surprise. Picking up on the &quot;radical hope&quot; we discussed in Dimitrov&#39;s &quot;Winter Solstice,&quot; we turn to Merwin&#39;s sense of what is untouched but still possible as he greets the new year.</p>

<p>In this episode, we quote a few pieces from The New Yorker. Here they are, plus a few other resources.</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/18/the-ascetic-insight-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Aesthetic Insight of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Dan Chiasson</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/the-final-prophecy-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Final Prophecy of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Dan Chiasson</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-palm-trees-and-poetry-of-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Palm Trees and Poetry of W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Casey Cep</p>

<p>&quot;<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/when-you-go-away-remembering-w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">When You Go Away: Remembering W.S. Merwin</a>&quot; by Kevin Young</p>

<p>See also <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/w-s-merwin" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>The poem originally appeared in <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/present-company-by-w-s-merwin/" rel="nofollow"><em>Present Company</em></a> (Copper Canyon Press, 2005). Thanks to the Wylie Agency for granting us permission to read this poem on the episode. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 67: Alex Dimitrov, Winter Solstice</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem that provides a powerful meditation on the longest night of the year. 
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem that provides a powerful meditation on the longest night of the year. </p>

<p>To learn more about Alex Dimitrov, please visit his <a href="https://www.alexdimitrov.com/poems" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/authors/alex-dimitrov/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem from <em>Love and Other Poems.</em></p>

<p>During our conversation, we briefly allude to &quot;Love,&quot; Dimitrov&#39;s wonderful poem that he continues to write each day. To read the original poem, you can check the <a href="https://aprweb.org/poems/love0" rel="nofollow">American Poetry Review</a>; and to read Dimitrov&#39;s additional lines on Twitter, you can follow him at @apoemcalledlove on <a href="https://x.com/apoemcalledlove?s=20" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem that provides a powerful meditation on the longest night of the year. </p>

<p>To learn more about Alex Dimitrov, please visit his <a href="https://www.alexdimitrov.com/poems" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/authors/alex-dimitrov/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem from <em>Love and Other Poems.</em></p>

<p>During our conversation, we briefly allude to &quot;Love,&quot; Dimitrov&#39;s wonderful poem that he continues to write each day. To read the original poem, you can check the <a href="https://aprweb.org/poems/love0" rel="nofollow">American Poetry Review</a>; and to read Dimitrov&#39;s additional lines on Twitter, you can follow him at @apoemcalledlove on <a href="https://x.com/apoemcalledlove?s=20" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem that provides a powerful meditation on the longest night of the year. </p>

<p>To learn more about Alex Dimitrov, please visit his <a href="https://www.alexdimitrov.com/poems" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/authors/alex-dimitrov/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem from <em>Love and Other Poems.</em></p>

<p>During our conversation, we briefly allude to &quot;Love,&quot; Dimitrov&#39;s wonderful poem that he continues to write each day. To read the original poem, you can check the <a href="https://aprweb.org/poems/love0" rel="nofollow">American Poetry Review</a>; and to read Dimitrov&#39;s additional lines on Twitter, you can follow him at @apoemcalledlove on <a href="https://x.com/apoemcalledlove?s=20" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 66: Katy Didden, The Priest Questions the Lava</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In our discussion of "The Priest Questions the Lava," Katy describes her interest in the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In our discussion of &quot;The Priest Questions the Lava,&quot; Katy describes the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </p>

<p>To see Katy&#39;s erasure, click on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/ore-choir-priest-questions-lava" rel="nofollow">Academy of American Poets Poem-a-Day feature</a>.</p>

<p>Visit the Tupelo Press website to purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://www.tupelopress.org/product/ore-choir-the-lava-on-iceland/" rel="nofollow">Ore Choir: The Lava on Iceland</a>.</em></p>

<p>The website includes a lesson plan for those who might want to introduce Katy&#39;s poetry into the classroom.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In our discussion of &quot;The Priest Questions the Lava,&quot; Katy describes the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </p>

<p>To see Katy&#39;s erasure, click on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/ore-choir-priest-questions-lava" rel="nofollow">Academy of American Poets Poem-a-Day feature</a>.</p>

<p>Visit the Tupelo Press website to purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://www.tupelopress.org/product/ore-choir-the-lava-on-iceland/" rel="nofollow">Ore Choir: The Lava on Iceland</a>.</em></p>

<p>The website includes a lesson plan for those who might want to introduce Katy&#39;s poetry into the classroom.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In our discussion of &quot;The Priest Questions the Lava,&quot; Katy describes the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </p>

<p>To see Katy&#39;s erasure, click on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/ore-choir-priest-questions-lava" rel="nofollow">Academy of American Poets Poem-a-Day feature</a>.</p>

<p>Visit the Tupelo Press website to purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://www.tupelopress.org/product/ore-choir-the-lava-on-iceland/" rel="nofollow">Ore Choir: The Lava on Iceland</a>.</em></p>

<p>The website includes a lesson plan for those who might want to introduce Katy&#39;s poetry into the classroom.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 65: Du Fu, Facing Snow</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu's "Facing Snow," one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu&#39;s &quot;Facing Snow,&quot; one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </p>

<p>To learn more about Du Fu&#39;s life, work, and cultural significance, please see Lucas Bender&#39;s <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674260177" rel="nofollow">Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (Harvard University Press, 2021). </a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu&#39;s &quot;Facing Snow,&quot; one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </p>

<p>To learn more about Du Fu&#39;s life, work, and cultural significance, please see Lucas Bender&#39;s <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674260177" rel="nofollow">Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (Harvard University Press, 2021). </a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu&#39;s &quot;Facing Snow,&quot; one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </p>

<p>To learn more about Du Fu&#39;s life, work, and cultural significance, please see Lucas Bender&#39;s <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674260177" rel="nofollow">Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (Harvard University Press, 2021). </a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 64: Shakespeare, Sonnet 29</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Shakespeare's Sonnet 29 opens a world of comparison and despair, but also the deep joy of a dear friend that lifts one from disgrace. In our discussion, we consider present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General's warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In episode 64, we talk about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnet 29, a poem about comparison and competition, leading the poet almost to despise himself before, by chance, he remembers his dear friend and is lifted by the deep joy of that relationship.</p>

<p>We link our discussion to present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General&#39;s warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. Links below.</p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p><em>Sonnet 29</em></p>

<p>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,<br>
I all alone beweep my outcast state,<br>
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,<br>
And look upon myself and curse my fate,<br>
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,<br>
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,<br>
Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,<br>
With what I most enjoy contented least;<br>
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,<br>
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,<br>
(Like to the lark at break of day arising<br>
From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;<br>
       For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings<br>
       That then I scorn to change my state with kings.</p>

<p><strong>Links to the Surgeon General&#39;s Warning about Social Media</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:%7E:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Various Links on the Harvard Happiness Study</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/" rel="nofollow">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In episode 64, we talk about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnet 29, a poem about comparison and competition, leading the poet almost to despise himself before, by chance, he remembers his dear friend and is lifted by the deep joy of that relationship.</p>

<p>We link our discussion to present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General&#39;s warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. Links below.</p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p><em>Sonnet 29</em></p>

<p>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,<br>
I all alone beweep my outcast state,<br>
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,<br>
And look upon myself and curse my fate,<br>
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,<br>
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,<br>
Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,<br>
With what I most enjoy contented least;<br>
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,<br>
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,<br>
(Like to the lark at break of day arising<br>
From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;<br>
       For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings<br>
       That then I scorn to change my state with kings.</p>

<p><strong>Links to the Surgeon General&#39;s Warning about Social Media</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:%7E:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Various Links on the Harvard Happiness Study</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/" rel="nofollow">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Sonnet 29" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes">Sonnet 29</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Loneliness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/30/opinion/loneliness-epidemic-america.html">Surgeon General on Loneliness</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Social Media" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday.">Surgeon General on Social Media</a></li><li><a title="Harvard Study of Happiness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/">Harvard Study of Happiness</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In episode 64, we talk about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnet 29, a poem about comparison and competition, leading the poet almost to despise himself before, by chance, he remembers his dear friend and is lifted by the deep joy of that relationship.</p>

<p>We link our discussion to present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General&#39;s warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. Links below.</p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p><em>Sonnet 29</em></p>

<p>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,<br>
I all alone beweep my outcast state,<br>
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,<br>
And look upon myself and curse my fate,<br>
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,<br>
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,<br>
Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,<br>
With what I most enjoy contented least;<br>
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,<br>
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,<br>
(Like to the lark at break of day arising<br>
From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;<br>
       For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings<br>
       That then I scorn to change my state with kings.</p>

<p><strong>Links to the Surgeon General&#39;s Warning about Social Media</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:%7E:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Various Links on the Harvard Happiness Study</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/" rel="nofollow">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Sonnet 29" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes">Sonnet 29</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Loneliness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/30/opinion/loneliness-epidemic-america.html">Surgeon General on Loneliness</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Social Media" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday.">Surgeon General on Social Media</a></li><li><a title="Harvard Study of Happiness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/">Harvard Study of Happiness</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 63: Rumi, Colorless, Nameless, Free</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, poet and translator Haleh Liza Gafori joins us to closely read and discuss a poem by Jalāl al-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī  (1207-1273 CE), one of the greatest of all Sufi poets. We discuss the poetic constraints of the ghazal form, Rumi's encounters with the divine, and the significance of his friendship with Shams, a man who transformed his life and poetic practice.

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        <![CDATA[<p>Poet and translator Haleh Liza Gafori joins us to closely read and discuss a poem by Jalāl al-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī  (1207-1273 CE), one of the greatest of all Sufi poets. We discuss the poetic constraints of the ghazal form, Rumi&#39;s encounters with the divine, and the significance of his friendship with Shams, a man who transformed his life and poetic practice.</p>

<p>Haleh Liza Gafori&#39;s translations of Rumi&#39;s poetry appear in <a href="https://www.nyrb.com/products/gold" rel="nofollow"><em>Gold</em></a> (NYRB Press, 2022). </p>

<p>You can learn more about her work as a vocalist, poet, translator and performer <a href="https://www.halehliza.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>To learn more about Rumi, visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jalal-al-din-rumi" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover photo from <a href="https://art.thewalters.org/detail/77715/illuminated-preface-to-the-second-book-of-the-collection-of-poems-masnavi-2/" rel="nofollow">The Walters Art Museum </a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Poet and translator Haleh Liza Gafori joins us to closely read and discuss a poem by Jalāl al-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī  (1207-1273 CE), one of the greatest of all Sufi poets. We discuss the poetic constraints of the ghazal form, Rumi&#39;s encounters with the divine, and the significance of his friendship with Shams, a man who transformed his life and poetic practice.</p>

<p>Haleh Liza Gafori&#39;s translations of Rumi&#39;s poetry appear in <a href="https://www.nyrb.com/products/gold" rel="nofollow"><em>Gold</em></a> (NYRB Press, 2022). </p>

<p>You can learn more about her work as a vocalist, poet, translator and performer <a href="https://www.halehliza.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>To learn more about Rumi, visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jalal-al-din-rumi" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover photo from <a href="https://art.thewalters.org/detail/77715/illuminated-preface-to-the-second-book-of-the-collection-of-poems-masnavi-2/" rel="nofollow">The Walters Art Museum </a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Poet and translator Haleh Liza Gafori joins us to closely read and discuss a poem by Jalāl al-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī  (1207-1273 CE), one of the greatest of all Sufi poets. We discuss the poetic constraints of the ghazal form, Rumi&#39;s encounters with the divine, and the significance of his friendship with Shams, a man who transformed his life and poetic practice.</p>

<p>Haleh Liza Gafori&#39;s translations of Rumi&#39;s poetry appear in <a href="https://www.nyrb.com/products/gold" rel="nofollow"><em>Gold</em></a> (NYRB Press, 2022). </p>

<p>You can learn more about her work as a vocalist, poet, translator and performer <a href="https://www.halehliza.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>To learn more about Rumi, visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jalal-al-din-rumi" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover photo from <a href="https://art.thewalters.org/detail/77715/illuminated-preface-to-the-second-book-of-the-collection-of-poems-masnavi-2/" rel="nofollow">The Walters Art Museum </a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 62: Kobayashi Issa, Haiku</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What makes haiku "the perfect poetic form"? This episode reads three wonderful haiku by Kobayashi Issa and explores what makes them so moving and fun.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What makes haiku &quot;the perfect poetic form&quot;? This episode reads three wonderful haiku by Kobayashi Issa and explores what makes them so moving and fun.</p>

<p>We use the beautiful translations of award-winning poet Robert Haas in <em>The Essential Haiku: Versions of Basho, Buson, and Issa</em>. To see these haiku and others online, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50983/selected-haiku-by-issa" rel="nofollow">visit The Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>To see (and purchase) the book, <a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/essential-haiku-volume-20-hass?variant=32118145876002" rel="nofollow">see HarperCollins here</a>.</p>

<p>Thank you to HarperCollins for permission to read these translations on our podcast.</p>

<p>For more on Kobayashi Issa, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/kobayashi-issa" rel="nofollow">visit the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What makes haiku &quot;the perfect poetic form&quot;? This episode reads three wonderful haiku by Kobayashi Issa and explores what makes them so moving and fun.</p>

<p>We use the beautiful translations of award-winning poet Robert Haas in <em>The Essential Haiku: Versions of Basho, Buson, and Issa</em>. To see these haiku and others online, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50983/selected-haiku-by-issa" rel="nofollow">visit The Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>To see (and purchase) the book, <a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/essential-haiku-volume-20-hass?variant=32118145876002" rel="nofollow">see HarperCollins here</a>.</p>

<p>Thank you to HarperCollins for permission to read these translations on our podcast.</p>

<p>For more on Kobayashi Issa, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/kobayashi-issa" rel="nofollow">visit the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What makes haiku &quot;the perfect poetic form&quot;? This episode reads three wonderful haiku by Kobayashi Issa and explores what makes them so moving and fun.</p>

<p>We use the beautiful translations of award-winning poet Robert Haas in <em>The Essential Haiku: Versions of Basho, Buson, and Issa</em>. To see these haiku and others online, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50983/selected-haiku-by-issa" rel="nofollow">visit The Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>To see (and purchase) the book, <a href="https://www.harpercollins.com/products/essential-haiku-volume-20-hass?variant=32118145876002" rel="nofollow">see HarperCollins here</a>.</p>

<p>Thank you to HarperCollins for permission to read these translations on our podcast.</p>

<p>For more on Kobayashi Issa, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/kobayashi-issa" rel="nofollow">visit the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 61: Ada Limón, "The Raincoat"</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2023 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>With her quality of attention and focus on vivid, specific images, Ada Limón brings us to a moment of surprising insight in "The Raincoat."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>With her quality of attention and focus on vivid, specific images, Ada Limón brings us to a moment of surprising insight in &quot;The Raincoat.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;The Raincoat&quot; appears in Ada Limón&#39;s book <em><a href="https://milkweed.org/book/the-carrying" rel="nofollow">The Carrying</a></em> by Milkweed Editions. Thank you to Milkweed Editions for permission to read the poem on this podcast.</p>

<p>You can find the &quot;The Raincoat&quot; on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/raincoat" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ada Limón, the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States, visit the <a href="https://guides.loc.gov/poet-laureate-ada-limon/activities-at-the-library" rel="nofollow">Library of Congress website</a>.</p>

<p>Ada Limón&#39;s <a href="https://www.adalimon.net/" rel="nofollow">author website</a> includes information about her six books of poetry as well as interviews, press releases, and her calendar of events. </p>

<p>Photo credit: Shawn Miller, Library of Congress</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>With her quality of attention and focus on vivid, specific images, Ada Limón brings us to a moment of surprising insight in &quot;The Raincoat.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;The Raincoat&quot; appears in Ada Limón&#39;s book <em><a href="https://milkweed.org/book/the-carrying" rel="nofollow">The Carrying</a></em> by Milkweed Editions. Thank you to Milkweed Editions for permission to read the poem on this podcast.</p>

<p>You can find the &quot;The Raincoat&quot; on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/raincoat" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ada Limón, the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States, visit the <a href="https://guides.loc.gov/poet-laureate-ada-limon/activities-at-the-library" rel="nofollow">Library of Congress website</a>.</p>

<p>Ada Limón&#39;s <a href="https://www.adalimon.net/" rel="nofollow">author website</a> includes information about her six books of poetry as well as interviews, press releases, and her calendar of events. </p>

<p>Photo credit: Shawn Miller, Library of Congress</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>With her quality of attention and focus on vivid, specific images, Ada Limón brings us to a moment of surprising insight in &quot;The Raincoat.&quot;</p>

<p>&quot;The Raincoat&quot; appears in Ada Limón&#39;s book <em><a href="https://milkweed.org/book/the-carrying" rel="nofollow">The Carrying</a></em> by Milkweed Editions. Thank you to Milkweed Editions for permission to read the poem on this podcast.</p>

<p>You can find the &quot;The Raincoat&quot; on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/raincoat" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ada Limón, the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States, visit the <a href="https://guides.loc.gov/poet-laureate-ada-limon/activities-at-the-library" rel="nofollow">Library of Congress website</a>.</p>

<p>Ada Limón&#39;s <a href="https://www.adalimon.net/" rel="nofollow">author website</a> includes information about her six books of poetry as well as interviews, press releases, and her calendar of events. </p>

<p>Photo credit: Shawn Miller, Library of Congress</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 60: Li-Young Lee, From Blossoms</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we explore the poetry of joy in a world of shade and death, looking to sounds and repetitions while examining how "From Blossoms" speaks back to the poem that immediately precedes it in Lee's great book "Rose." </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the poetry of joy in a world of shade and death, looking to sounds and repetitions while examining how &quot;From Blossoms&quot; speaks back to the poem that immediately precedes it in Lee&#39;s great book <em>Rose.</em></p>

<p>For more on Li-Young Lee, see The Poetry Foundation <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/li-young-lee" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to BOA Editions for granting us permission to read Li-Young Lee&#39;s work on our podcast. &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43012/from-blossoms" rel="nofollow">From Blossoms</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="https://poets.org/poem/weight-sweetness" rel="nofollow">The Weight of Sweetness</a>&quot; originally appeared in <em><a href="https://www.boaeditions.org/products/rose" rel="nofollow">Rose</a></em> (BOA Editions, 1986). </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, asian american and pacific islander month, free verse, gratitude, joy, repetition or refrain, summer, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the poetry of joy in a world of shade and death, looking to sounds and repetitions while examining how &quot;From Blossoms&quot; speaks back to the poem that immediately precedes it in Lee&#39;s great book <em>Rose.</em></p>

<p>For more on Li-Young Lee, see The Poetry Foundation <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/li-young-lee" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to BOA Editions for granting us permission to read Li-Young Lee&#39;s work on our podcast. &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43012/from-blossoms" rel="nofollow">From Blossoms</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="https://poets.org/poem/weight-sweetness" rel="nofollow">The Weight of Sweetness</a>&quot; originally appeared in <em><a href="https://www.boaeditions.org/products/rose" rel="nofollow">Rose</a></em> (BOA Editions, 1986). </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore the poetry of joy in a world of shade and death, looking to sounds and repetitions while examining how &quot;From Blossoms&quot; speaks back to the poem that immediately precedes it in Lee&#39;s great book <em>Rose.</em></p>

<p>For more on Li-Young Lee, see The Poetry Foundation <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/li-young-lee" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to BOA Editions for granting us permission to read Li-Young Lee&#39;s work on our podcast. &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43012/from-blossoms" rel="nofollow">From Blossoms</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="https://poets.org/poem/weight-sweetness" rel="nofollow">The Weight of Sweetness</a>&quot; originally appeared in <em><a href="https://www.boaeditions.org/products/rose" rel="nofollow">Rose</a></em> (BOA Editions, 1986). </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 59: Tichborne's Elegy</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</p>

<p><strong>Tichborne&#39;s Elegy</strong></p>

<p>My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,<br>
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,<br>
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:<br>
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,<br>
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:<br>
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>I sought my death, and found it in my womb,<br>
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,<br>
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,<br>
And now I die, and now I was but made;<br>
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>For more on Tichborne, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne</a></p>

<p>See also all the related content at The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</p>

<p><strong>Tichborne&#39;s Elegy</strong></p>

<p>My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,<br>
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,<br>
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:<br>
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,<br>
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:<br>
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>I sought my death, and found it in my womb,<br>
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,<br>
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,<br>
And now I die, and now I was but made;<br>
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>For more on Tichborne, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne</a></p>

<p>See also all the related content at The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</p>

<p><strong>Tichborne&#39;s Elegy</strong></p>

<p>My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,<br>
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,<br>
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:<br>
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,<br>
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:<br>
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>I sought my death, and found it in my womb,<br>
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,<br>
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,<br>
And now I die, and now I was but made;<br>
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>For more on Tichborne, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne</a></p>

<p>See also all the related content at The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 58: Richie Hofmann, Things That Are Rare</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we are delighted to have Richie Hofmann as our guest. Richie Hofmann is the author of two collections: <em><a href="https://www.alicejamesbooks.org/bookstore/second-empire" rel="nofollow">Second Empire</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/689918/a-hundred-lovers-by-richie-hofmann/" rel="nofollow">A Hundred Lovers</a></em>. His poetry has appeared in <em>The New Yorker</em>, <em>The Atlantic</em>, <em>The Yale Review</em>, and many other literary magazines, and he is the recipient of Ruth Lilly and Wallace Stegner fellowships. </p>

<p>To learn more about Richie, visit his <a href="https://www.richiehofmann.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Richie Hofmann&#39;s poetry and process, read <a href="https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/richie-hofmann" rel="nofollow">Jesse Nathan&#39;s interview with Richie Hoffman in McSweeney&#39;s</a>.</p>

<p>Richie Hofmann photo credit: Marcus Jackson</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we are delighted to have Richie Hofmann as our guest. Richie Hofmann is the author of two collections: <em><a href="https://www.alicejamesbooks.org/bookstore/second-empire" rel="nofollow">Second Empire</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/689918/a-hundred-lovers-by-richie-hofmann/" rel="nofollow">A Hundred Lovers</a></em>. His poetry has appeared in <em>The New Yorker</em>, <em>The Atlantic</em>, <em>The Yale Review</em>, and many other literary magazines, and he is the recipient of Ruth Lilly and Wallace Stegner fellowships. </p>

<p>To learn more about Richie, visit his <a href="https://www.richiehofmann.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Richie Hofmann&#39;s poetry and process, read <a href="https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/richie-hofmann" rel="nofollow">Jesse Nathan&#39;s interview with Richie Hoffman in McSweeney&#39;s</a>.</p>

<p>Richie Hofmann photo credit: Marcus Jackson</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we are delighted to have Richie Hofmann as our guest. Richie Hofmann is the author of two collections: <em><a href="https://www.alicejamesbooks.org/bookstore/second-empire" rel="nofollow">Second Empire</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/689918/a-hundred-lovers-by-richie-hofmann/" rel="nofollow">A Hundred Lovers</a></em>. His poetry has appeared in <em>The New Yorker</em>, <em>The Atlantic</em>, <em>The Yale Review</em>, and many other literary magazines, and he is the recipient of Ruth Lilly and Wallace Stegner fellowships. </p>

<p>To learn more about Richie, visit his <a href="https://www.richiehofmann.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Richie Hofmann&#39;s poetry and process, read <a href="https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/richie-hofmann" rel="nofollow">Jesse Nathan&#39;s interview with Richie Hoffman in McSweeney&#39;s</a>.</p>

<p>Richie Hofmann photo credit: Marcus Jackson</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 57: Edna St. Vincent Millay, She had forgotten how the August night</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Edna St. Vincent Millay was the emblem of the "New Woman" and one of the most important American poets of the twentieth century. In this episode, we focus on a sonnet that showcases how Millay approached desire and eros in her poetry.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>She called herself Vincent, she smoked cigarettes, and she wore shimmery golden evening gowns when she read her poetry to sold-out crowds. Edna St. Vincent Millay was the emblem of the &quot;New Woman&quot; and one of the most important American poets of the twentieth century...but in years after her death, her literary reputation suffered, and only recently have critics and historians revisited and properly celebrated her work. </p>

<p>In this episode, we focus on a sonnet that showcases the ways in which Millay approached desire and eros in her poetry. </p>

<p>To learn more about Edna St. Vincent Millay and her life and times, take a look <em>Burning Candles: The Life of Edna St. Vincent Millay</em>, an informative documentary available on YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ItdEiBR-o&t=2901s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ItdEiBR-o&amp;t=2901s</a></p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p>She had forgotten how the August night<br>
Was level as a lake beneath the moon,<br>
In which she swam a little, losing sight<br>
Of shore; and how the boy, who was at noon<br>
Simple enough, not different from the rest,<br>
Wore now a pleasant mystery as he went,<br>
Which seemed to her an honest enough test<br>
Whether she loved him, and she was content.<br>
So loud, so loud the million crickets’ choir. . .<br>
So sweet the night, so long-drawn-out and late. . .<br>
And if the man were not her spirit’s mate,<br>
Why was her body sluggish with desire?<br>
Stark on the open field the moonlight fell,<br>
But the oak tree’s shadow was deep and black and<br>
     secret as a well.</p>

<p>We so admire the podcast <em>Poem Talk</em>. In this episode, Al Filreis, Elisa New, Jane Malcolm, and Sophia DuRose offer a close reading of two more poems by Edna St. Vincent Millay: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/155947/biologically-speaking-a-discussion-of-love-is-not-all-and-i-shall-forget-you-presently-by-edna-st-vincent-millay" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/155947/biologically-speaking-a-discussion-of-love-is-not-all-and-i-shall-forget-you-presently-by-edna-st-vincent-millay</a></p>

<p>photo by Carl Van Vechten</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, eros and desire, modernism, night, repetition or refrain, rhymed verse, sonnet, summer, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>She called herself Vincent, she smoked cigarettes, and she wore shimmery golden evening gowns when she read her poetry to sold-out crowds. Edna St. Vincent Millay was the emblem of the &quot;New Woman&quot; and one of the most important American poets of the twentieth century...but in years after her death, her literary reputation suffered, and only recently have critics and historians revisited and properly celebrated her work. </p>

<p>In this episode, we focus on a sonnet that showcases the ways in which Millay approached desire and eros in her poetry. </p>

<p>To learn more about Edna St. Vincent Millay and her life and times, take a look <em>Burning Candles: The Life of Edna St. Vincent Millay</em>, an informative documentary available on YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ItdEiBR-o&t=2901s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ItdEiBR-o&amp;t=2901s</a></p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p>She had forgotten how the August night<br>
Was level as a lake beneath the moon,<br>
In which she swam a little, losing sight<br>
Of shore; and how the boy, who was at noon<br>
Simple enough, not different from the rest,<br>
Wore now a pleasant mystery as he went,<br>
Which seemed to her an honest enough test<br>
Whether she loved him, and she was content.<br>
So loud, so loud the million crickets’ choir. . .<br>
So sweet the night, so long-drawn-out and late. . .<br>
And if the man were not her spirit’s mate,<br>
Why was her body sluggish with desire?<br>
Stark on the open field the moonlight fell,<br>
But the oak tree’s shadow was deep and black and<br>
     secret as a well.</p>

<p>We so admire the podcast <em>Poem Talk</em>. In this episode, Al Filreis, Elisa New, Jane Malcolm, and Sophia DuRose offer a close reading of two more poems by Edna St. Vincent Millay: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/155947/biologically-speaking-a-discussion-of-love-is-not-all-and-i-shall-forget-you-presently-by-edna-st-vincent-millay" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/155947/biologically-speaking-a-discussion-of-love-is-not-all-and-i-shall-forget-you-presently-by-edna-st-vincent-millay</a></p>

<p>photo by Carl Van Vechten</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>She called herself Vincent, she smoked cigarettes, and she wore shimmery golden evening gowns when she read her poetry to sold-out crowds. Edna St. Vincent Millay was the emblem of the &quot;New Woman&quot; and one of the most important American poets of the twentieth century...but in years after her death, her literary reputation suffered, and only recently have critics and historians revisited and properly celebrated her work. </p>

<p>In this episode, we focus on a sonnet that showcases the ways in which Millay approached desire and eros in her poetry. </p>

<p>To learn more about Edna St. Vincent Millay and her life and times, take a look <em>Burning Candles: The Life of Edna St. Vincent Millay</em>, an informative documentary available on YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ItdEiBR-o&t=2901s" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ItdEiBR-o&amp;t=2901s</a></p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p>She had forgotten how the August night<br>
Was level as a lake beneath the moon,<br>
In which she swam a little, losing sight<br>
Of shore; and how the boy, who was at noon<br>
Simple enough, not different from the rest,<br>
Wore now a pleasant mystery as he went,<br>
Which seemed to her an honest enough test<br>
Whether she loved him, and she was content.<br>
So loud, so loud the million crickets’ choir. . .<br>
So sweet the night, so long-drawn-out and late. . .<br>
And if the man were not her spirit’s mate,<br>
Why was her body sluggish with desire?<br>
Stark on the open field the moonlight fell,<br>
But the oak tree’s shadow was deep and black and<br>
     secret as a well.</p>

<p>We so admire the podcast <em>Poem Talk</em>. In this episode, Al Filreis, Elisa New, Jane Malcolm, and Sophia DuRose offer a close reading of two more poems by Edna St. Vincent Millay: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/155947/biologically-speaking-a-discussion-of-love-is-not-all-and-i-shall-forget-you-presently-by-edna-st-vincent-millay" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/podcasts/155947/biologically-speaking-a-discussion-of-love-is-not-all-and-i-shall-forget-you-presently-by-edna-st-vincent-millay</a></p>

<p>photo by Carl Van Vechten</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 56: Queen Elizabeth, On Monsieur's Departure</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2023 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Queen Elizabeth I (1533-1603) was one of the longest-reigning monarchs in all of British history, but she was also a gifted poet. In this episode, we discuss "On Monsieur's Departure," a poem that is inspired by Petrarchan conventions and gives insight into the public and private selves of a powerful queen. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Queen Elizabeth I (1533-1603) was one of the longest-reigning monarchs in all of British history, but she was also a gifted poet. In this episode, we discuss &quot;On Monsieur&#39;s Departure,&quot; a poem that is inspired by Petrarchan conventions and gives insight into the public and private selves of a powerful queen. </p>

<p>(For the text of the poem, scroll to the bottom.)</p>

<p>In this episode, we attempt to describe the magnificence of some of Queen Elizabeth&#39;s portraiture. To learn more, visit the <a href="https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/research/programmes/making-art-in-tudor-britain/case-studies/the-queens-likeness-portraits-of-elizabeth-i" rel="nofollow">National Portrait Gallery of London</a>: </p>

<p>To learn more about Petrarch and his poems that were such an enormous influence on English poets of the sixteenth century, please read <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674663480&content=toc" rel="nofollow">this book</a>, which provides Petrarch&#39;s original poems in Italian and Robert Durling&#39;s stunning translations into English. </p>

<p>To learn more about what it meant to &quot;fashion a self&quot; in the Renaissance, see<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo3680145.html" rel="nofollow"> Stephen Greenblatt&#39;s foundational work on this idea</a> .</p>

<p><strong>On Monsieur’s Departure</strong><br>
BY QUEEN ELIZABETH I</p>

<p>I grieve and dare not show my discontent,<br>
I love and yet am forced to seem to hate,<br>
I do, yet dare not say I ever meant,<br>
I seem stark mute but inwardly do prate.<br>
I am and not, I freeze and yet am burned,<br>
Since from myself another self I turned.</p>

<p>My care is like my shadow in the sun,<br>
Follows me flying, flies when I pursue it,<br>
Stands and lies by me, doth what I have done.<br>
His too familiar care doth make me rue it.<br>
No means I find to rid him from my breast,<br>
Till by the end of things it be supprest.</p>

<p>Some gentler passion slide into my mind,<br>
For I am soft and made of melting snow;<br>
Or be more cruel, love, and so be kind.<br>
Let me or float or sink, be high or low.<br>
Or let me live with some more sweet content,<br>
Or die and so forget what love ere meant.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>16th century, eros and desire, love, rhymed verse, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Queen Elizabeth I (1533-1603) was one of the longest-reigning monarchs in all of British history, but she was also a gifted poet. In this episode, we discuss &quot;On Monsieur&#39;s Departure,&quot; a poem that is inspired by Petrarchan conventions and gives insight into the public and private selves of a powerful queen. </p>

<p>(For the text of the poem, scroll to the bottom.)</p>

<p>In this episode, we attempt to describe the magnificence of some of Queen Elizabeth&#39;s portraiture. To learn more, visit the <a href="https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/research/programmes/making-art-in-tudor-britain/case-studies/the-queens-likeness-portraits-of-elizabeth-i" rel="nofollow">National Portrait Gallery of London</a>: </p>

<p>To learn more about Petrarch and his poems that were such an enormous influence on English poets of the sixteenth century, please read <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674663480&content=toc" rel="nofollow">this book</a>, which provides Petrarch&#39;s original poems in Italian and Robert Durling&#39;s stunning translations into English. </p>

<p>To learn more about what it meant to &quot;fashion a self&quot; in the Renaissance, see<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo3680145.html" rel="nofollow"> Stephen Greenblatt&#39;s foundational work on this idea</a> .</p>

<p><strong>On Monsieur’s Departure</strong><br>
BY QUEEN ELIZABETH I</p>

<p>I grieve and dare not show my discontent,<br>
I love and yet am forced to seem to hate,<br>
I do, yet dare not say I ever meant,<br>
I seem stark mute but inwardly do prate.<br>
I am and not, I freeze and yet am burned,<br>
Since from myself another self I turned.</p>

<p>My care is like my shadow in the sun,<br>
Follows me flying, flies when I pursue it,<br>
Stands and lies by me, doth what I have done.<br>
His too familiar care doth make me rue it.<br>
No means I find to rid him from my breast,<br>
Till by the end of things it be supprest.</p>

<p>Some gentler passion slide into my mind,<br>
For I am soft and made of melting snow;<br>
Or be more cruel, love, and so be kind.<br>
Let me or float or sink, be high or low.<br>
Or let me live with some more sweet content,<br>
Or die and so forget what love ere meant.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Queen Elizabeth I (1533-1603) was one of the longest-reigning monarchs in all of British history, but she was also a gifted poet. In this episode, we discuss &quot;On Monsieur&#39;s Departure,&quot; a poem that is inspired by Petrarchan conventions and gives insight into the public and private selves of a powerful queen. </p>

<p>(For the text of the poem, scroll to the bottom.)</p>

<p>In this episode, we attempt to describe the magnificence of some of Queen Elizabeth&#39;s portraiture. To learn more, visit the <a href="https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/research/programmes/making-art-in-tudor-britain/case-studies/the-queens-likeness-portraits-of-elizabeth-i" rel="nofollow">National Portrait Gallery of London</a>: </p>

<p>To learn more about Petrarch and his poems that were such an enormous influence on English poets of the sixteenth century, please read <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674663480&content=toc" rel="nofollow">this book</a>, which provides Petrarch&#39;s original poems in Italian and Robert Durling&#39;s stunning translations into English. </p>

<p>To learn more about what it meant to &quot;fashion a self&quot; in the Renaissance, see<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/R/bo3680145.html" rel="nofollow"> Stephen Greenblatt&#39;s foundational work on this idea</a> .</p>

<p><strong>On Monsieur’s Departure</strong><br>
BY QUEEN ELIZABETH I</p>

<p>I grieve and dare not show my discontent,<br>
I love and yet am forced to seem to hate,<br>
I do, yet dare not say I ever meant,<br>
I seem stark mute but inwardly do prate.<br>
I am and not, I freeze and yet am burned,<br>
Since from myself another self I turned.</p>

<p>My care is like my shadow in the sun,<br>
Follows me flying, flies when I pursue it,<br>
Stands and lies by me, doth what I have done.<br>
His too familiar care doth make me rue it.<br>
No means I find to rid him from my breast,<br>
Till by the end of things it be supprest.</p>

<p>Some gentler passion slide into my mind,<br>
For I am soft and made of melting snow;<br>
Or be more cruel, love, and so be kind.<br>
Let me or float or sink, be high or low.<br>
Or let me live with some more sweet content,<br>
Or die and so forget what love ere meant.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 55: Kay Ryan, Crib</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss Kay Ryan's "Crib," a brief poem that begins with an interest in the deep archaeology of language and shifts to a powerful meditation on theft, innocence, and guilt. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>17:17</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Kay Ryan&#39;s &quot;Crib,&quot; a brief poem that begins with an interest in the deep archaeology of language and shifts to a powerful meditation on theft, innocence, and guilt. </p>

<p>&quot;Crib&quot; appears in <em>The Best of It</em> © 2010 by Kay Ryan.  Used by permissions of Grove/Atlantic, Inc. </p>

<p>For more on Kay Ryan and her work, you can visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/kay-ryan" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a> website.</p>

<p>Our favorite interview with Kay Ryan appears in the <em><a href="https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/5889/the-art-of-poetry-no-94-kay-ryan" rel="nofollow">Paris Review</a>.</em></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Kay Ryan&#39;s &quot;Crib,&quot; a brief poem that begins with an interest in the deep archaeology of language and shifts to a powerful meditation on theft, innocence, and guilt. </p>

<p>&quot;Crib&quot; appears in <em>The Best of It</em> © 2010 by Kay Ryan.  Used by permissions of Grove/Atlantic, Inc. </p>

<p>For more on Kay Ryan and her work, you can visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/kay-ryan" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a> website.</p>

<p>Our favorite interview with Kay Ryan appears in the <em><a href="https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/5889/the-art-of-poetry-no-94-kay-ryan" rel="nofollow">Paris Review</a>.</em></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Kay Ryan&#39;s &quot;Crib,&quot; a brief poem that begins with an interest in the deep archaeology of language and shifts to a powerful meditation on theft, innocence, and guilt. </p>

<p>&quot;Crib&quot; appears in <em>The Best of It</em> © 2010 by Kay Ryan.  Used by permissions of Grove/Atlantic, Inc. </p>

<p>For more on Kay Ryan and her work, you can visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/kay-ryan" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a> website.</p>

<p>Our favorite interview with Kay Ryan appears in the <em><a href="https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/5889/the-art-of-poetry-no-94-kay-ryan" rel="nofollow">Paris Review</a>.</em></p>]]>
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      <title>Grant Writing Break</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week, Joanne and Abram take a break to write a grant for the podcast. We very much hope you enjoy Poetry For All. And if you do, please leave us a review, share it with a friend, and let us know! Thank you all for listening.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, Joanne and Abram take a break to write a grant for the podcast. We very much hope you enjoy Poetry For All. And if you do, please leave us a review, share it with a friend, and let us know! Thank you all for listening.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, Joanne and Abram take a break to write a grant for the podcast. We very much hope you enjoy Poetry For All. And if you do, please leave us a review, share it with a friend, and let us know! Thank you all for listening.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 54: Carl Phillips, To Autumn</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 10:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we talk with David Baker about "To Autumn" by Carl Phillips, exploring the way Phillips masterfully achieves a sense of intimacy and restlessness in a lyric ode that tosses between two parts while incorporating the sonnet tradition.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>24:47</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with David Baker about &quot;To Autumn&quot; by Carl Phillips, exploring the way Phillips masterfully achieves a sense of intimacy and restlessness in a lyric ode that tosses between two parts while incorporating the sonnet tradition.</p>

<p>For more on Carl Phillips, please visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on David Baker, please visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/david-baker" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;To Autumn&quot; has been read from Carl Phillips&#39; latest book of poetry, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Then-War-Selected-Poems-2007-2020/dp/0374603766" rel="nofollow">Then the War: And Selected Poems, 2007-2020</a>.</p>

<p>The latest book by Carl Phillips is a collection of essays called <em>My Trade Is Mystery</em>. Purchase at <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300257878/my-trade-is-mystery/" rel="nofollow">Yale University Press</a> or <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Trade-Mystery-Meditations-Writing/dp/0300257872" rel="nofollow">Amazon</a> or wherever you get your books.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with David Baker about &quot;To Autumn&quot; by Carl Phillips, exploring the way Phillips masterfully achieves a sense of intimacy and restlessness in a lyric ode that tosses between two parts while incorporating the sonnet tradition.</p>

<p>For more on Carl Phillips, please visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on David Baker, please visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/david-baker" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;To Autumn&quot; has been read from Carl Phillips&#39; latest book of poetry, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Then-War-Selected-Poems-2007-2020/dp/0374603766" rel="nofollow">Then the War: And Selected Poems, 2007-2020</a>.</p>

<p>The latest book by Carl Phillips is a collection of essays called <em>My Trade Is Mystery</em>. Purchase at <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300257878/my-trade-is-mystery/" rel="nofollow">Yale University Press</a> or <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Trade-Mystery-Meditations-Writing/dp/0300257872" rel="nofollow">Amazon</a> or wherever you get your books.</p>]]>
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<p>For more on Carl Phillips, please visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on David Baker, please visit the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/david-baker" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;To Autumn&quot; has been read from Carl Phillips&#39; latest book of poetry, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Then-War-Selected-Poems-2007-2020/dp/0374603766" rel="nofollow">Then the War: And Selected Poems, 2007-2020</a>.</p>

<p>The latest book by Carl Phillips is a collection of essays called <em>My Trade Is Mystery</em>. Purchase at <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300257878/my-trade-is-mystery/" rel="nofollow">Yale University Press</a> or <a href="https://www.amazon.com/My-Trade-Mystery-Meditations-Writing/dp/0300257872" rel="nofollow">Amazon</a> or wherever you get your books.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 53: Carter Revard, What the Eagle Fan Says</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we focus on the life and work of Carter Revard, an Osage poet whose medieval scholarship informs the structure of "What the Eagle Fan Says." Jessica Rosenfeld, a professor of medieval literature at Washington University in St. Louis, joins us for this discussion. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we focus on the life and work of Carter Revard, an Osage poet whose medieval scholarship informs the structure of &quot;What the Eagle Fan Says.&quot; Jessica Rosenfeld, a professor of medieval literature at Washington University in St. Louis, joins us for this discussion. </p>

<p>Carter Revard was a prolific poet and scholar. To learn more about his work, click <a href="https://source.wustl.edu/2022/01/obituary-carter-revard-of-arts-sciences-90/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;What the Eagle Fan Says&quot; was published in <em><a href="https://www.saltpublishing.com/products/how-the-songs-come-down-9781844710645" rel="nofollow">How the Songs Came Down</a></em> (Salt Publishing, 2005).</p>

<p>To learn more about accentual verse, read <a href="https://danagioia.com/essays/writing-and-reading/accentual-verse/" rel="nofollow">this brief treatment</a> by poet Dana Gioia. </p>]]>
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<p>Carter Revard was a prolific poet and scholar. To learn more about his work, click <a href="https://source.wustl.edu/2022/01/obituary-carter-revard-of-arts-sciences-90/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;What the Eagle Fan Says&quot; was published in <em><a href="https://www.saltpublishing.com/products/how-the-songs-come-down-9781844710645" rel="nofollow">How the Songs Came Down</a></em> (Salt Publishing, 2005).</p>

<p>To learn more about accentual verse, read <a href="https://danagioia.com/essays/writing-and-reading/accentual-verse/" rel="nofollow">this brief treatment</a> by poet Dana Gioia. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we focus on the life and work of Carter Revard, an Osage poet whose medieval scholarship informs the structure of &quot;What the Eagle Fan Says.&quot; Jessica Rosenfeld, a professor of medieval literature at Washington University in St. Louis, joins us for this discussion. </p>

<p>Carter Revard was a prolific poet and scholar. To learn more about his work, click <a href="https://source.wustl.edu/2022/01/obituary-carter-revard-of-arts-sciences-90/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;What the Eagle Fan Says&quot; was published in <em><a href="https://www.saltpublishing.com/products/how-the-songs-come-down-9781844710645" rel="nofollow">How the Songs Came Down</a></em> (Salt Publishing, 2005).</p>

<p>To learn more about accentual verse, read <a href="https://danagioia.com/essays/writing-and-reading/accentual-verse/" rel="nofollow">this brief treatment</a> by poet Dana Gioia. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 52: Shakespeare, Sonnet 73</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, visit <a href="https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Folger Shakespeare page</a>.</p>

<p>Our favorite editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are edited by <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complete-sonnets-and-poems-9780199535798?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300085068/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdhZo9b7NU" rel="nofollow">Sir Patrick Stewart&#39;s reading</a> of Sonnet 73 is one of our favorites. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, visit <a href="https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Folger Shakespeare page</a>.</p>

<p>Our favorite editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are edited by <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complete-sonnets-and-poems-9780199535798?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300085068/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdhZo9b7NU" rel="nofollow">Sir Patrick Stewart&#39;s reading</a> of Sonnet 73 is one of our favorites. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, visit <a href="https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Folger Shakespeare page</a>.</p>

<p>Our favorite editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are edited by <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complete-sonnets-and-poems-9780199535798?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300085068/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdhZo9b7NU" rel="nofollow">Sir Patrick Stewart&#39;s reading</a> of Sonnet 73 is one of our favorites. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 51: Martín Espada, Jumping Off the Mystic Tobin Bridge</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2022 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we talk with the 2021 winner of the National Book Award, Martín Espada, about narrative poetry, poetry of engagement, and the witness of poetry as a work of advocacy.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To learn more about Martín Espada, click <a href="http://www.martinespada.net/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To read the poem, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/148216/jumping-off-the-mystic-tobin-bridge" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>This is the first poem that appears in Floaters, the winner of the 2021 National Book Award. To purchase a copy of the book, click <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/floaters-poems/9780393541038?gclid=Cj0KCQjw1vSZBhDuARIsAKZlijT8OEgpGJEIilmuKjBVZAg1Blepy5UUN7ylUOjDN5Ivq8AdnC9iFPsaApX6EALw_wcB" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Photo credit: Lauren Marie Schmidt (cropped to fit dimensions)</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To learn more about Martín Espada, click <a href="http://www.martinespada.net/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To read the poem, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/148216/jumping-off-the-mystic-tobin-bridge" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>This is the first poem that appears in Floaters, the winner of the 2021 National Book Award. To purchase a copy of the book, click <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/floaters-poems/9780393541038?gclid=Cj0KCQjw1vSZBhDuARIsAKZlijT8OEgpGJEIilmuKjBVZAg1Blepy5UUN7ylUOjDN5Ivq8AdnC9iFPsaApX6EALw_wcB" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Photo credit: Lauren Marie Schmidt (cropped to fit dimensions)</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To learn more about Martín Espada, click <a href="http://www.martinespada.net/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To read the poem, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/148216/jumping-off-the-mystic-tobin-bridge" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>This is the first poem that appears in Floaters, the winner of the 2021 National Book Award. To purchase a copy of the book, click <a href="https://bookshop.org/books/floaters-poems/9780393541038?gclid=Cj0KCQjw1vSZBhDuARIsAKZlijT8OEgpGJEIilmuKjBVZAg1Blepy5UUN7ylUOjDN5Ivq8AdnC9iFPsaApX6EALw_wcB" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>Photo credit: Lauren Marie Schmidt (cropped to fit dimensions)</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 50: Rafael Campo, Primary Care</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering.</p>

<p>Thanks to the Georges Borchardt, Inc. for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Primary Care&quot; in <em>Alternative Medicine</em> (Duke University Press, 2013). </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering.</p>

<p>Thanks to the Georges Borchardt, Inc. for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Primary Care&quot; in <em>Alternative Medicine</em> (Duke University Press, 2013). </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Campo reads Primary Care" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltjf8H3WJI">Campo reads Primary Care</a></li><li><a title="Campo Author Page" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.rafaelcampo.com/">Campo Author Page</a></li><li><a title="Campo at the Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rafael-campo">Campo at the Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering.</p>

<p>Thanks to the Georges Borchardt, Inc. for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Primary Care&quot; in <em>Alternative Medicine</em> (Duke University Press, 2013). </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Campo reads Primary Care" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltjf8H3WJI">Campo reads Primary Care</a></li><li><a title="Campo Author Page" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.rafaelcampo.com/">Campo Author Page</a></li><li><a title="Campo at the Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rafael-campo">Campo at the Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 49: Lisel Mueller, When I am Asked</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2022 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller's "When I am Asked" in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>19:57</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller&#39;s &quot;When I am Asked&quot; in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. We look at language as a source of connection and hope, even in the midst of sorrow and solitude. With this poem about the making of poetry (an_ ars poetica_), we come to see how one artist turned to the intricacies of language in the face of a nature that seemed indifferent to her loss.</p>

<p>&quot;When I Am Asked&quot; appears in <em>Alive Together: New and Selected Poems</em>, published by Louisiana State University Press (1996). Thanks to LSU Press for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, click here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/36931/when-i-am-asked" rel="nofollow">When I Am Asked</a>&quot;</p>

<p><em>Note: When out of copyright, we reproduce the text of the poem ourselves. When still in copyright, we link to the text of the poem elsewhere.</em></p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lisel-mueller" rel="nofollow">Lisel Mueller</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, ars poetica, elegy, free verse, grief and loss, repetition or refrain</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller&#39;s &quot;When I am Asked&quot; in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. We look at language as a source of connection and hope, even in the midst of sorrow and solitude. With this poem about the making of poetry (an_ ars poetica_), we come to see how one artist turned to the intricacies of language in the face of a nature that seemed indifferent to her loss.</p>

<p>&quot;When I Am Asked&quot; appears in <em>Alive Together: New and Selected Poems</em>, published by Louisiana State University Press (1996). Thanks to LSU Press for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, click here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/36931/when-i-am-asked" rel="nofollow">When I Am Asked</a>&quot;</p>

<p><em>Note: When out of copyright, we reproduce the text of the poem ourselves. When still in copyright, we link to the text of the poem elsewhere.</em></p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lisel-mueller" rel="nofollow">Lisel Mueller</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller&#39;s &quot;When I am Asked&quot; in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. We look at language as a source of connection and hope, even in the midst of sorrow and solitude. With this poem about the making of poetry (an_ ars poetica_), we come to see how one artist turned to the intricacies of language in the face of a nature that seemed indifferent to her loss.</p>

<p>&quot;When I Am Asked&quot; appears in <em>Alive Together: New and Selected Poems</em>, published by Louisiana State University Press (1996). Thanks to LSU Press for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, click here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/36931/when-i-am-asked" rel="nofollow">When I Am Asked</a>&quot;</p>

<p><em>Note: When out of copyright, we reproduce the text of the poem ourselves. When still in copyright, we link to the text of the poem elsewhere.</em></p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lisel-mueller" rel="nofollow">Lisel Mueller</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 48: Joy Harjo, An American Sunrise</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of "survivance" through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>21:47</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of &quot;survivance&quot; through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</p>

<p>You can find the text of &quot;An American Sunrise&quot; <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though this is an earlier version of the poem. The final version appears in her finished book of the same title, which you can find <a href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>For an introduction to The Golden Shovel form, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of &quot;survivance&quot; through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</p>

<p>You can find the text of &quot;An American Sunrise&quot; <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though this is an earlier version of the poem. The final version appears in her finished book of the same title, which you can find <a href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>For an introduction to The Golden Shovel form, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/">Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8">Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of &quot;survivance&quot; through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</p>

<p>You can find the text of &quot;An American Sunrise&quot; <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though this is an earlier version of the poem. The final version appears in her finished book of the same title, which you can find <a href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>For an introduction to The Golden Shovel form, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/">Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8">Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 47: Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Christopher Hanlon joins us to discuss an excerpt from Walt Whitman's Leaves of Grass. We discuss the poem's prophetic voice, its patterns of repetition, the connective tissue that binds his ideas and invites readers in, and the cultural context in which Whitman produced his work.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Christopher Hanlon joins us to discuss an excerpt from Walt Whitman&#39;s Leaves of Grass. We discuss the poem&#39;s prophetic voice, its patterns of repetition, the connective tissue that binds his ideas and invites readers in, and the cultural context in which Whitman produced his work.</p>

<p>To read the text of this poem, click <a href="https://poets.org/poem/song-myself-6-child-said-what-grass" rel="nofollow">here</a> or see below:</p>

<p>To learn more about Walt Whitman and his work, visit the <a href="https://whitmanarchive.org/" rel="nofollow">Walt Whitman Archive</a>, a magnificent compendium of information about Whitman&#39;s life, cultural context, and editions of <em>Leaves of Grass.</em></p>

<p>To learn more about scholar Christopher Hanlon, click <a href="https://newcollege.asu.edu/christopher-hanlon" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Text from Leaves of Grass:</strong></p>

<p>A child said <em>What is the grass?</em> fetching it to me with full hands; <br>
How could I answer the child? I do not know what it is any more than he. <br>
I guess it must be the flag of my disposition, out of hopeful green stuff woven. </p>

<p>Or I guess it is the handkerchief of the Lord, <br>
A scented gift and remembrancer designedly dropt, <br>
Bearing the owner&#39;s name someway in the corners, that we may see and remark, and say <em>Whose?</em> </p>

<p>Or I guess the grass is itself a child, the produced babe of the vegetation. </p>

<p>Or I guess it is a uniform hieroglyphic, <br>
And it means, Sprouting alike in broad zones and narrow zones, <br>
Growing among black folks as among white, <br>
Kanuck, Tuckahoe, Congressman, Cuff, I give them the same, I receive them the same. </p>

<p>And now it seems to me the beautiful uncut hair of graves. </p>

<p>Tenderly will I use you curling grass, <br>
It may be you transpire from the breasts of young men, <br>
It may be you are from old people, or from offspring taken,<br>
It may be if I had known them I would have loved them, soon out of their mothers&#39; laps, <br>
And here you are the mothers&#39; laps. </p>

<p>This grass is very dark to be from the white heads of old mothers, <br>
Darker than the colorless beards of old men, <br>
Dark to come from under the faint red roofs of mouths. </p>

<p>O I perceive after all so many uttering tongues, <br>
And I perceive they do not come from the roofs of mouths for nothing. </p>

<p>I wish I could translate the hints about the dead young men and women, <br>
And the hints about old men and mothers, and the offspring taken soon out of their laps. <br>
What do you think has become of the young and old men? <br>
And what do you think has become of the women and children? </p>

<p>They are alive and well somewhere, <br>
The smallest sprout shows there is really no death, <br>
And if ever there was it led forward life, and does not wait at the end to arrest it, <br>
And ceas&#39;d the moment life appear&#39;d. </p>

<p>All goes onward and outward, nothing collapses, <br>
And to die is different from what any one supposed, and luckier.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Christopher Hanlon joins us to discuss an excerpt from Walt Whitman&#39;s Leaves of Grass. We discuss the poem&#39;s prophetic voice, its patterns of repetition, the connective tissue that binds his ideas and invites readers in, and the cultural context in which Whitman produced his work.</p>

<p>To read the text of this poem, click <a href="https://poets.org/poem/song-myself-6-child-said-what-grass" rel="nofollow">here</a> or see below:</p>

<p>To learn more about Walt Whitman and his work, visit the <a href="https://whitmanarchive.org/" rel="nofollow">Walt Whitman Archive</a>, a magnificent compendium of information about Whitman&#39;s life, cultural context, and editions of <em>Leaves of Grass.</em></p>

<p>To learn more about scholar Christopher Hanlon, click <a href="https://newcollege.asu.edu/christopher-hanlon" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Text from Leaves of Grass:</strong></p>

<p>A child said <em>What is the grass?</em> fetching it to me with full hands; <br>
How could I answer the child? I do not know what it is any more than he. <br>
I guess it must be the flag of my disposition, out of hopeful green stuff woven. </p>

<p>Or I guess it is the handkerchief of the Lord, <br>
A scented gift and remembrancer designedly dropt, <br>
Bearing the owner&#39;s name someway in the corners, that we may see and remark, and say <em>Whose?</em> </p>

<p>Or I guess the grass is itself a child, the produced babe of the vegetation. </p>

<p>Or I guess it is a uniform hieroglyphic, <br>
And it means, Sprouting alike in broad zones and narrow zones, <br>
Growing among black folks as among white, <br>
Kanuck, Tuckahoe, Congressman, Cuff, I give them the same, I receive them the same. </p>

<p>And now it seems to me the beautiful uncut hair of graves. </p>

<p>Tenderly will I use you curling grass, <br>
It may be you transpire from the breasts of young men, <br>
It may be you are from old people, or from offspring taken,<br>
It may be if I had known them I would have loved them, soon out of their mothers&#39; laps, <br>
And here you are the mothers&#39; laps. </p>

<p>This grass is very dark to be from the white heads of old mothers, <br>
Darker than the colorless beards of old men, <br>
Dark to come from under the faint red roofs of mouths. </p>

<p>O I perceive after all so many uttering tongues, <br>
And I perceive they do not come from the roofs of mouths for nothing. </p>

<p>I wish I could translate the hints about the dead young men and women, <br>
And the hints about old men and mothers, and the offspring taken soon out of their laps. <br>
What do you think has become of the young and old men? <br>
And what do you think has become of the women and children? </p>

<p>They are alive and well somewhere, <br>
The smallest sprout shows there is really no death, <br>
And if ever there was it led forward life, and does not wait at the end to arrest it, <br>
And ceas&#39;d the moment life appear&#39;d. </p>

<p>All goes onward and outward, nothing collapses, <br>
And to die is different from what any one supposed, and luckier.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Christopher Hanlon joins us to discuss an excerpt from Walt Whitman&#39;s Leaves of Grass. We discuss the poem&#39;s prophetic voice, its patterns of repetition, the connective tissue that binds his ideas and invites readers in, and the cultural context in which Whitman produced his work.</p>

<p>To read the text of this poem, click <a href="https://poets.org/poem/song-myself-6-child-said-what-grass" rel="nofollow">here</a> or see below:</p>

<p>To learn more about Walt Whitman and his work, visit the <a href="https://whitmanarchive.org/" rel="nofollow">Walt Whitman Archive</a>, a magnificent compendium of information about Whitman&#39;s life, cultural context, and editions of <em>Leaves of Grass.</em></p>

<p>To learn more about scholar Christopher Hanlon, click <a href="https://newcollege.asu.edu/christopher-hanlon" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Text from Leaves of Grass:</strong></p>

<p>A child said <em>What is the grass?</em> fetching it to me with full hands; <br>
How could I answer the child? I do not know what it is any more than he. <br>
I guess it must be the flag of my disposition, out of hopeful green stuff woven. </p>

<p>Or I guess it is the handkerchief of the Lord, <br>
A scented gift and remembrancer designedly dropt, <br>
Bearing the owner&#39;s name someway in the corners, that we may see and remark, and say <em>Whose?</em> </p>

<p>Or I guess the grass is itself a child, the produced babe of the vegetation. </p>

<p>Or I guess it is a uniform hieroglyphic, <br>
And it means, Sprouting alike in broad zones and narrow zones, <br>
Growing among black folks as among white, <br>
Kanuck, Tuckahoe, Congressman, Cuff, I give them the same, I receive them the same. </p>

<p>And now it seems to me the beautiful uncut hair of graves. </p>

<p>Tenderly will I use you curling grass, <br>
It may be you transpire from the breasts of young men, <br>
It may be you are from old people, or from offspring taken,<br>
It may be if I had known them I would have loved them, soon out of their mothers&#39; laps, <br>
And here you are the mothers&#39; laps. </p>

<p>This grass is very dark to be from the white heads of old mothers, <br>
Darker than the colorless beards of old men, <br>
Dark to come from under the faint red roofs of mouths. </p>

<p>O I perceive after all so many uttering tongues, <br>
And I perceive they do not come from the roofs of mouths for nothing. </p>

<p>I wish I could translate the hints about the dead young men and women, <br>
And the hints about old men and mothers, and the offspring taken soon out of their laps. <br>
What do you think has become of the young and old men? <br>
And what do you think has become of the women and children? </p>

<p>They are alive and well somewhere, <br>
The smallest sprout shows there is really no death, <br>
And if ever there was it led forward life, and does not wait at the end to arrest it, <br>
And ceas&#39;d the moment life appear&#39;d. </p>

<p>All goes onward and outward, nothing collapses, <br>
And to die is different from what any one supposed, and luckier.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 46: Lucille Clifton, spring song</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Lucille Clifton (1936-2010) was one of the most powerful poets of the twentieth century. This joyful poem caps a sequence of sixteen poems called "some jesus," which walks through biblical characters (beginning with Adam and Eve) and ends on four poems for Holy Week and Easter.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lucille Clifton (1936-2010) was one of the most powerful poets of the twentieth century. This joyful poem caps a sequence of sixteen poems called &quot;some jesus,&quot; which walks through biblical characters (beginning with Adam and Eve) and ends on four poems for Holy Week and Easter. She wrote other poems on the Bible as well, including &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54586/john-56d2351ad543b" rel="nofollow">john</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46667/my-dream-about-the-second-coming" rel="nofollow">my dream about the second coming</a>,&quot; which reimagine a way into biblical characters to make their stories fresh.</p>

<p>Clifton wrote from the perspective of a Black woman and many of her most famous poems address race and gender. Clear-eyed about struggles and hardships, insistent in her calls for justice and equality, Clifton&#39;s poetry carries a consistent joy and hope, which is apparent (and abundant) in &quot;spring song.&quot;</p>

<p>Clifton&#39;s poetry was known for its lean style, paring everything down to its essential elements. In addition to award-winning collections of poetry, Clifton also wrote sixteen books for children (and had six children herself).</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;spring song,&quot; and for a recording of Lucille Clifton reading it, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54587/spring-song-56d2351b45223" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Lucille Clifton see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lucille-clifton" rel="nofollow">her biography</a> at The Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For an introduction to Lucille Clifton, see the poem sampler &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/155348/lucille-clifton-101" rel="nofollow">Lucille Clifton 101</a>&quot; by Benjamin Voigt.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, black history month, christianity, easter, free verse, hope, joy, love, repetition or refrain, spring, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lucille Clifton (1936-2010) was one of the most powerful poets of the twentieth century. This joyful poem caps a sequence of sixteen poems called &quot;some jesus,&quot; which walks through biblical characters (beginning with Adam and Eve) and ends on four poems for Holy Week and Easter. She wrote other poems on the Bible as well, including &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54586/john-56d2351ad543b" rel="nofollow">john</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46667/my-dream-about-the-second-coming" rel="nofollow">my dream about the second coming</a>,&quot; which reimagine a way into biblical characters to make their stories fresh.</p>

<p>Clifton wrote from the perspective of a Black woman and many of her most famous poems address race and gender. Clear-eyed about struggles and hardships, insistent in her calls for justice and equality, Clifton&#39;s poetry carries a consistent joy and hope, which is apparent (and abundant) in &quot;spring song.&quot;</p>

<p>Clifton&#39;s poetry was known for its lean style, paring everything down to its essential elements. In addition to award-winning collections of poetry, Clifton also wrote sixteen books for children (and had six children herself).</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;spring song,&quot; and for a recording of Lucille Clifton reading it, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54587/spring-song-56d2351b45223" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Lucille Clifton see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lucille-clifton" rel="nofollow">her biography</a> at The Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For an introduction to Lucille Clifton, see the poem sampler &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/155348/lucille-clifton-101" rel="nofollow">Lucille Clifton 101</a>&quot; by Benjamin Voigt.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="spring song by Lucille Clifton | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54587/spring-song-56d2351b45223">spring song by Lucille Clifton | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lucille-clifton">Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="About Lucille Clifton | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poet/lucille-clifton">About Lucille Clifton | Academy of American Poets</a></li><li><a title="Lucille Clifton 101 by Benjamin Voigt | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/155348/lucille-clifton-101">Lucille Clifton 101 by Benjamin Voigt | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Lucille Clifton (1936-2010) was one of the most powerful poets of the twentieth century. This joyful poem caps a sequence of sixteen poems called &quot;some jesus,&quot; which walks through biblical characters (beginning with Adam and Eve) and ends on four poems for Holy Week and Easter. She wrote other poems on the Bible as well, including &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54586/john-56d2351ad543b" rel="nofollow">john</a>&quot; and &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46667/my-dream-about-the-second-coming" rel="nofollow">my dream about the second coming</a>,&quot; which reimagine a way into biblical characters to make their stories fresh.</p>

<p>Clifton wrote from the perspective of a Black woman and many of her most famous poems address race and gender. Clear-eyed about struggles and hardships, insistent in her calls for justice and equality, Clifton&#39;s poetry carries a consistent joy and hope, which is apparent (and abundant) in &quot;spring song.&quot;</p>

<p>Clifton&#39;s poetry was known for its lean style, paring everything down to its essential elements. In addition to award-winning collections of poetry, Clifton also wrote sixteen books for children (and had six children herself).</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;spring song,&quot; and for a recording of Lucille Clifton reading it, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54587/spring-song-56d2351b45223" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Lucille Clifton see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lucille-clifton" rel="nofollow">her biography</a> at The Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For an introduction to Lucille Clifton, see the poem sampler &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/155348/lucille-clifton-101" rel="nofollow">Lucille Clifton 101</a>&quot; by Benjamin Voigt.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="spring song by Lucille Clifton | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54587/spring-song-56d2351b45223">spring song by Lucille Clifton | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lucille-clifton">Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="About Lucille Clifton | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poet/lucille-clifton">About Lucille Clifton | Academy of American Poets</a></li><li><a title="Lucille Clifton 101 by Benjamin Voigt | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/155348/lucille-clifton-101">Lucille Clifton 101 by Benjamin Voigt | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>From Talk Easy: Claudia Rankine’s Just Us: An American Conversation</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We’re sharing a special preview of a podcast we’ve been enjoying, Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso, from Pushkin Industries. Talk Easy is a weekly interview podcast, where writer Sam Fragoso invites actors, writers, activists, and musicians to come to the table and speak from the heart in ways you probably haven't heard from them before. Driven by curiosity, he’s had revealing conversations with everyone from George Saunders and Cate Blanchett to Ocean Vuong and Gloria Steinem. In this preview, Sam talks with poet Claudia Rankine about her book  Just Us: An American Conversation, how history remains present for black people, and why we must repeatedly unpack what privilege looks and sounds like in America. You can listen to Talk Easy at https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/tepoetryforall.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:keywords>Sam Fragoso, Talk Easy, Claudia Rankine</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We’re sharing a special preview of a podcast we’ve been enjoying, Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso, from Pushkin Industries. Talk Easy is a weekly interview podcast, where writer Sam Fragoso invites actors, writers, activists, and musicians to come to the table and speak from the heart in ways you probably haven&#39;t heard from them before. Driven by curiosity, he’s had revealing conversations with everyone from George Saunders and Cate Blanchett to Ocean Vuong and Gloria Steinem. In this preview, Sam talks with poet Claudia Rankine about her book  Just Us: An American Conversation, how history remains present for black people, and why we must repeatedly unpack what privilege looks and sounds like in America. You can listen to Talk Easy at <a href="https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/tepoetryforall" rel="nofollow">https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/tepoetryforall</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Home – Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso" rel="nofollow" href="https://talkeasypod.com/">Home – Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 45: Ben Jonson, On My First Son</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson's elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson&#39;s elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>On my First Son</strong></p>

<p>Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;<br>
My sin was too much hope of thee, lov&#39;d boy.<br>
Seven years tho&#39; wert lent to me, and I thee pay,<br>
Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.<br>
O, could I lose all father now! For why<br>
Will man lament the state he should envy?<br>
To have so soon &#39;scap&#39;d world&#39;s and flesh&#39;s rage,<br>
And if no other misery, yet age?<br>
Rest in soft peace, and, ask&#39;d, say, &quot;Here doth lie<br>
Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry.&quot;<br>
For whose sake henceforth all his vows be such,<br>
As what he loves may never like too much.</p>

<p>To learn more about the magnificent Ben Jonson, check <a href="https://www.bl.uk/people/ben-jonson" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the British Library website.</p>

<p>To learn more about couplets, epigrams, elegies, and apostrophes, click <a href="https://poets.org/glossary" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the Academy of American Poets website.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson&#39;s elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>On my First Son</strong></p>

<p>Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;<br>
My sin was too much hope of thee, lov&#39;d boy.<br>
Seven years tho&#39; wert lent to me, and I thee pay,<br>
Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.<br>
O, could I lose all father now! For why<br>
Will man lament the state he should envy?<br>
To have so soon &#39;scap&#39;d world&#39;s and flesh&#39;s rage,<br>
And if no other misery, yet age?<br>
Rest in soft peace, and, ask&#39;d, say, &quot;Here doth lie<br>
Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry.&quot;<br>
For whose sake henceforth all his vows be such,<br>
As what he loves may never like too much.</p>

<p>To learn more about the magnificent Ben Jonson, check <a href="https://www.bl.uk/people/ben-jonson" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the British Library website.</p>

<p>To learn more about couplets, epigrams, elegies, and apostrophes, click <a href="https://poets.org/glossary" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the Academy of American Poets website.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson&#39;s elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>On my First Son</strong></p>

<p>Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;<br>
My sin was too much hope of thee, lov&#39;d boy.<br>
Seven years tho&#39; wert lent to me, and I thee pay,<br>
Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.<br>
O, could I lose all father now! For why<br>
Will man lament the state he should envy?<br>
To have so soon &#39;scap&#39;d world&#39;s and flesh&#39;s rage,<br>
And if no other misery, yet age?<br>
Rest in soft peace, and, ask&#39;d, say, &quot;Here doth lie<br>
Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry.&quot;<br>
For whose sake henceforth all his vows be such,<br>
As what he loves may never like too much.</p>

<p>To learn more about the magnificent Ben Jonson, check <a href="https://www.bl.uk/people/ben-jonson" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the British Library website.</p>

<p>To learn more about couplets, epigrams, elegies, and apostrophes, click <a href="https://poets.org/glossary" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the Academy of American Poets website.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 44: Ann Hudson, Soap</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </p>

<p>Ann is the author of two collections of poetry: <a href="https://www.ohioswallow.com/book/The+Armillary+Sphere" rel="nofollow">The Armillary Sphere</a>, which was selected by Mary Kinzie as the winner of the Hollis Summers Poetry Prize and published by Ohio University Press; and <a href="https://nextpage-press.com/glow-by-ann-hudson.html" rel="nofollow">Glow</a>, published by Next Page Press. Her poems have appeared in many literary journals, including <em>Crab Orchard Review, North American Review, Orion, Prairie Schooner</em>, and <em>The Seattle Review</em>. Ann is senior editor for <em>RHINO</em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ann&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.annhudson.net/index.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </p>

<p>Ann is the author of two collections of poetry: <a href="https://www.ohioswallow.com/book/The+Armillary+Sphere" rel="nofollow">The Armillary Sphere</a>, which was selected by Mary Kinzie as the winner of the Hollis Summers Poetry Prize and published by Ohio University Press; and <a href="https://nextpage-press.com/glow-by-ann-hudson.html" rel="nofollow">Glow</a>, published by Next Page Press. Her poems have appeared in many literary journals, including <em>Crab Orchard Review, North American Review, Orion, Prairie Schooner</em>, and <em>The Seattle Review</em>. Ann is senior editor for <em>RHINO</em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ann&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.annhudson.net/index.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </p>

<p>Ann is the author of two collections of poetry: <a href="https://www.ohioswallow.com/book/The+Armillary+Sphere" rel="nofollow">The Armillary Sphere</a>, which was selected by Mary Kinzie as the winner of the Hollis Summers Poetry Prize and published by Ohio University Press; and <a href="https://nextpage-press.com/glow-by-ann-hudson.html" rel="nofollow">Glow</a>, published by Next Page Press. Her poems have appeared in many literary journals, including <em>Crab Orchard Review, North American Review, Orion, Prairie Schooner</em>, and <em>The Seattle Review</em>. Ann is senior editor for <em>RHINO</em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ann&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.annhudson.net/index.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 43: Margaret Noodin, What the Peepers Say</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2022 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Margaret Noodin joins us to discuss her poem "What the Peepers Say." In our conversation, we talk about Margaret's writing in both Anishinaabemowin and English, her attention to sounds and rhythms, and what the peeper--a tiny springtime frog--can teach us about presence and listening.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>24:22</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Margaret Noodin joins us to discuss her poem &quot;What the Peepers Say.&quot; In our conversation, we talk about Margaret&#39;s writing in both Anishinaabemowin and English, her attention to sounds and rhythms, and what the peeper--a tiny springtime frog--can teach us about presence and listening.</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/noodin-margaret/" rel="nofollow">Margaret Noodin</a> is the author of two bilingual collections of poetry in both Anishinaabemowin and English: <em><a href="https://www.wsupress.wayne.edu/books/detail/weweni" rel="nofollow">Weweni</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.wsupress.wayne.edu/books/detail/what-chickadee-knows#:%7E:text=What%20the%20Chickadee%20Knows%20is,one%20another%20on%20facing%20pages." rel="nofollow">What the Chickadee Knows</a>.</em> She is a professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, where she also serves as director of the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education. </p>

<p>To learn more about Ahishinaabemowin, visit <a href="https://ojibwe.net/" rel="nofollow">ojibwe.net</a>.</p>

<p>To hear the sound of the spring peeper, click on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_L7Ha6uwQA" rel="nofollow">this link</a>. </p>

<p>Photo of Margaret Noodin © Troye Fox.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, alliterative verse, free verse, guest on the show, native american heritage month, nature poetry, poetry in translation, repetition or refrain, spirituality, spring, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Margaret Noodin joins us to discuss her poem &quot;What the Peepers Say.&quot; In our conversation, we talk about Margaret&#39;s writing in both Anishinaabemowin and English, her attention to sounds and rhythms, and what the peeper--a tiny springtime frog--can teach us about presence and listening.</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/noodin-margaret/" rel="nofollow">Margaret Noodin</a> is the author of two bilingual collections of poetry in both Anishinaabemowin and English: <em><a href="https://www.wsupress.wayne.edu/books/detail/weweni" rel="nofollow">Weweni</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.wsupress.wayne.edu/books/detail/what-chickadee-knows#:%7E:text=What%20the%20Chickadee%20Knows%20is,one%20another%20on%20facing%20pages." rel="nofollow">What the Chickadee Knows</a>.</em> She is a professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, where she also serves as director of the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education. </p>

<p>To learn more about Ahishinaabemowin, visit <a href="https://ojibwe.net/" rel="nofollow">ojibwe.net</a>.</p>

<p>To hear the sound of the spring peeper, click on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_L7Ha6uwQA" rel="nofollow">this link</a>. </p>

<p>Photo of Margaret Noodin © Troye Fox.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Margaret Noodin joins us to discuss her poem &quot;What the Peepers Say.&quot; In our conversation, we talk about Margaret&#39;s writing in both Anishinaabemowin and English, her attention to sounds and rhythms, and what the peeper--a tiny springtime frog--can teach us about presence and listening.</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/noodin-margaret/" rel="nofollow">Margaret Noodin</a> is the author of two bilingual collections of poetry in both Anishinaabemowin and English: <em><a href="https://www.wsupress.wayne.edu/books/detail/weweni" rel="nofollow">Weweni</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.wsupress.wayne.edu/books/detail/what-chickadee-knows#:%7E:text=What%20the%20Chickadee%20Knows%20is,one%20another%20on%20facing%20pages." rel="nofollow">What the Chickadee Knows</a>.</em> She is a professor of English and American Indian Studies at the University of Wisconsin–Milwaukee, where she also serves as director of the Electa Quinney Institute for American Indian Education. </p>

<p>To learn more about Ahishinaabemowin, visit <a href="https://ojibwe.net/" rel="nofollow">ojibwe.net</a>.</p>

<p>To hear the sound of the spring peeper, click on <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_L7Ha6uwQA" rel="nofollow">this link</a>. </p>

<p>Photo of Margaret Noodin © Troye Fox.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 42: Robert Hayden, Frederick Douglass</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we offer a close reading of "Frederick Douglass," a poem in which Hayden channels the prophetic energies of his subject in order to imagine what freedom might one day mean. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To read Hayden&#39;s poem, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46460/frederick-douglass" rel="nofollow">click here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to W.W. Norton &amp; Company for granting us permission to read this poem. Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798/about-author" rel="nofollow"><em>Collected Poems of Robert Hayden</em></a> is very moving, as is the afterword by Arnold Rampersad.</p>

<p>For a series of insightful observations about Hayden&#39;s sonnet, see Ross Gay, Aracelis Girmay, Aimee Nezhukumatathil, Patrick Rosal, and Ira Sadoff, &quot;Poets Respond: A Discussion of &quot;Frederick Douglass&quot; by Robert Hayden.&quot; <em>American Poetry Review</em>, 38.3 (2009): 25-28.</p>

<p>For a helpful close reading of the poem, see Fred M. Fetrow, &quot;Robert Hayden&#39;s &#39;Frederick Douglass&#39;: Form and Meaning in a Modern Sonnet.&quot; <em>CLA Journal</em> 17.1 (September 1973): 78-84. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To read Hayden&#39;s poem, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46460/frederick-douglass" rel="nofollow">click here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to W.W. Norton &amp; Company for granting us permission to read this poem. Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798/about-author" rel="nofollow"><em>Collected Poems of Robert Hayden</em></a> is very moving, as is the afterword by Arnold Rampersad.</p>

<p>For a series of insightful observations about Hayden&#39;s sonnet, see Ross Gay, Aracelis Girmay, Aimee Nezhukumatathil, Patrick Rosal, and Ira Sadoff, &quot;Poets Respond: A Discussion of &quot;Frederick Douglass&quot; by Robert Hayden.&quot; <em>American Poetry Review</em>, 38.3 (2009): 25-28.</p>

<p>For a helpful close reading of the poem, see Fred M. Fetrow, &quot;Robert Hayden&#39;s &#39;Frederick Douglass&#39;: Form and Meaning in a Modern Sonnet.&quot; <em>CLA Journal</em> 17.1 (September 1973): 78-84. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To read Hayden&#39;s poem, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46460/frederick-douglass" rel="nofollow">click here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to W.W. Norton &amp; Company for granting us permission to read this poem. Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798/about-author" rel="nofollow"><em>Collected Poems of Robert Hayden</em></a> is very moving, as is the afterword by Arnold Rampersad.</p>

<p>For a series of insightful observations about Hayden&#39;s sonnet, see Ross Gay, Aracelis Girmay, Aimee Nezhukumatathil, Patrick Rosal, and Ira Sadoff, &quot;Poets Respond: A Discussion of &quot;Frederick Douglass&quot; by Robert Hayden.&quot; <em>American Poetry Review</em>, 38.3 (2009): 25-28.</p>

<p>For a helpful close reading of the poem, see Fred M. Fetrow, &quot;Robert Hayden&#39;s &#39;Frederick Douglass&#39;: Form and Meaning in a Modern Sonnet.&quot; <em>CLA Journal</em> 17.1 (September 1973): 78-84. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 41: F.E.W. Harper, Learning to Read</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Frances Ellen Watkins Harper was a prolific writer and activist of the nineteenth century. In this episode, Professor Janaka Bowman Lewis joins us to discuss her power, influence, voice, and work. "Learning to Read" foregrounds the ballad style in a narrative poem designed to keep alive the memories of fighting for both literacy and liberation.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Frances Ellen Watkins Harper was a prolific writer and activist of the nineteenth century. In this episode, Professor Janaka Bowman Lewis joins us to discuss her power, influence, voice, and work. &quot;Learning to Read&quot; foregrounds the ballad style in a narrative poem designed to keep alive the memories of fighting for both literacy and liberation.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52448/learning-to-read-56d230ed0fdc0" rel="nofollow">Learning to Read</a>&quot;</p>

<p>Janaka Bowman Lewis is an Associate Professor of English at the University of North Carolina--Charlotte, and she includes a chapter on Frances Ellen Watkins Harper in <a href="https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/freedom-narratives-of-african-american-women/" rel="nofollow">Freedom Narratives of African American Women: A Study of 19th Century Writings</a>.</p>

<p>For a good recent article about this poem by Madeline Zehnder, see <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/frances-ellen-watkins-harper-media-theorist/" rel="nofollow">Commonplace</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, see the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/frances-ellen-watkins-harper" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For good resources on F.E.W. Harper, especially materials related to the recovery and teaching of her first book of poems, <em>Forest Leaves</em>, see the <a href="http://jtoaa.common-place.org/welcome-to-just-teach-one-african-american/frances-ellen-watkins-harpers-forest-leaves-introduction/" rel="nofollow">Just Teach One</a> archive at Commonplace.</p>

<p>For the best collection of Harper&#39;s work, see Frances Smith Foster, <em><a href="https://www.feministpress.org/books-a-m/a-b" rel="nofollow">A Brighter Coming Day:  A Frances Ellen Watkins Harper Reader</a></em></p>

<p>For further reading, see Harper&#39;s most famous novel, <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/306859/iola-leroy-by-frances-ellen-watkins-harper/" rel="nofollow">Iola Leroy</a></em>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Frances Ellen Watkins Harper was a prolific writer and activist of the nineteenth century. In this episode, Professor Janaka Bowman Lewis joins us to discuss her power, influence, voice, and work. &quot;Learning to Read&quot; foregrounds the ballad style in a narrative poem designed to keep alive the memories of fighting for both literacy and liberation.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52448/learning-to-read-56d230ed0fdc0" rel="nofollow">Learning to Read</a>&quot;</p>

<p>Janaka Bowman Lewis is an Associate Professor of English at the University of North Carolina--Charlotte, and she includes a chapter on Frances Ellen Watkins Harper in <a href="https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/freedom-narratives-of-african-american-women/" rel="nofollow">Freedom Narratives of African American Women: A Study of 19th Century Writings</a>.</p>

<p>For a good recent article about this poem by Madeline Zehnder, see <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/frances-ellen-watkins-harper-media-theorist/" rel="nofollow">Commonplace</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, see the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/frances-ellen-watkins-harper" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For good resources on F.E.W. Harper, especially materials related to the recovery and teaching of her first book of poems, <em>Forest Leaves</em>, see the <a href="http://jtoaa.common-place.org/welcome-to-just-teach-one-african-american/frances-ellen-watkins-harpers-forest-leaves-introduction/" rel="nofollow">Just Teach One</a> archive at Commonplace.</p>

<p>For the best collection of Harper&#39;s work, see Frances Smith Foster, <em><a href="https://www.feministpress.org/books-a-m/a-b" rel="nofollow">A Brighter Coming Day:  A Frances Ellen Watkins Harper Reader</a></em></p>

<p>For further reading, see Harper&#39;s most famous novel, <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/306859/iola-leroy-by-frances-ellen-watkins-harper/" rel="nofollow">Iola Leroy</a></em>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Learning to Read by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52448/learning-to-read-56d230ed0fdc0">Learning to Read by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/frances-ellen-watkins-harper">Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, Media Theorist - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/frances-ellen-watkins-harper-media-theorist/">Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, Media Theorist - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li><li><a title="Just Teach One: Early African American Print » Frances Ellen Watkins (Harper)’s Forest Leaves (ca. 1846)" rel="nofollow" href="http://jtoaa.common-place.org/welcome-to-just-teach-one-african-american/frances-ellen-watkins-harpers-forest-leaves-introduction/">Just Teach One: Early African American Print » Frances Ellen Watkins (Harper)’s Forest Leaves (ca. 1846)</a></li><li><a title="A Brighter Coming Day — Feminist Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.feministpress.org/books-a-m/a-b">A Brighter Coming Day — Feminist Press</a></li><li><a title="Iola Leroy by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper: 9780143106043 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/306859/iola-leroy-by-frances-ellen-watkins-harper/">Iola Leroy by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper: 9780143106043 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Frances Ellen Watkins Harper was a prolific writer and activist of the nineteenth century. In this episode, Professor Janaka Bowman Lewis joins us to discuss her power, influence, voice, and work. &quot;Learning to Read&quot; foregrounds the ballad style in a narrative poem designed to keep alive the memories of fighting for both literacy and liberation.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52448/learning-to-read-56d230ed0fdc0" rel="nofollow">Learning to Read</a>&quot;</p>

<p>Janaka Bowman Lewis is an Associate Professor of English at the University of North Carolina--Charlotte, and she includes a chapter on Frances Ellen Watkins Harper in <a href="https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/freedom-narratives-of-african-american-women/" rel="nofollow">Freedom Narratives of African American Women: A Study of 19th Century Writings</a>.</p>

<p>For a good recent article about this poem by Madeline Zehnder, see <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/frances-ellen-watkins-harper-media-theorist/" rel="nofollow">Commonplace</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, see the <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/frances-ellen-watkins-harper" rel="nofollow">Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For good resources on F.E.W. Harper, especially materials related to the recovery and teaching of her first book of poems, <em>Forest Leaves</em>, see the <a href="http://jtoaa.common-place.org/welcome-to-just-teach-one-african-american/frances-ellen-watkins-harpers-forest-leaves-introduction/" rel="nofollow">Just Teach One</a> archive at Commonplace.</p>

<p>For the best collection of Harper&#39;s work, see Frances Smith Foster, <em><a href="https://www.feministpress.org/books-a-m/a-b" rel="nofollow">A Brighter Coming Day:  A Frances Ellen Watkins Harper Reader</a></em></p>

<p>For further reading, see Harper&#39;s most famous novel, <em><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/306859/iola-leroy-by-frances-ellen-watkins-harper/" rel="nofollow">Iola Leroy</a></em>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Learning to Read by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/52448/learning-to-read-56d230ed0fdc0">Learning to Read by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/frances-ellen-watkins-harper">Frances Ellen Watkins Harper | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, Media Theorist - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/frances-ellen-watkins-harper-media-theorist/">Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, Media Theorist - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li><li><a title="Just Teach One: Early African American Print » Frances Ellen Watkins (Harper)’s Forest Leaves (ca. 1846)" rel="nofollow" href="http://jtoaa.common-place.org/welcome-to-just-teach-one-african-american/frances-ellen-watkins-harpers-forest-leaves-introduction/">Just Teach One: Early African American Print » Frances Ellen Watkins (Harper)’s Forest Leaves (ca. 1846)</a></li><li><a title="A Brighter Coming Day — Feminist Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.feministpress.org/books-a-m/a-b">A Brighter Coming Day — Feminist Press</a></li><li><a title="Iola Leroy by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper: 9780143106043 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/306859/iola-leroy-by-frances-ellen-watkins-harper/">Iola Leroy by Frances Ellen Watkins Harper: 9780143106043 | PenguinRandomHouse.com: Books</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 40: William Shakespeare, Sonnet 116</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we provide a close reading of William Shakespeare's Sonnet 116, which allows us to consider the poem's definition of a love that is enduring. In addition, though, we consider a reading of the poem which foregrounds a disappointed poetic speaker who can see the love's transience, too. We also pay special attention to rhythm and sound, and we even get to learn a bit about the Great Vowel Shift from Professor Kristin Van Engen, a linguist at Washington University in St. Louis.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we provide a close reading of William Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnet 116, which allows us to consider the poem&#39;s definition of a love that is enduring. In addition, though, we consider a reading of the poem which foregrounds a disappointed poetic speaker who can see the love&#39;s transience, too. </p>

<p>For the text of this poem, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45106/sonnet-116-let-me-not-to-the-marriage-of-true-minds" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/view/10.1093/actrade/9780198184317.book.1/actrade-9780198184317-book-1" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Sonnets-Yale-Nota-Bene/dp/0300085060" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>&#39;s editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are essential reading for anyone who wants to know more about this amazing sonnet sequence. </p>

<p>During the pandemic, Sir Patrick Stewart has read one Shakespeare sonnet each day and share it on YouTube. To hear him read Sonnet 116 and so many others, click <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/asonnetaday" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we provide a close reading of William Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnet 116, which allows us to consider the poem&#39;s definition of a love that is enduring. In addition, though, we consider a reading of the poem which foregrounds a disappointed poetic speaker who can see the love&#39;s transience, too. </p>

<p>For the text of this poem, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45106/sonnet-116-let-me-not-to-the-marriage-of-true-minds" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/view/10.1093/actrade/9780198184317.book.1/actrade-9780198184317-book-1" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Sonnets-Yale-Nota-Bene/dp/0300085060" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>&#39;s editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are essential reading for anyone who wants to know more about this amazing sonnet sequence. </p>

<p>During the pandemic, Sir Patrick Stewart has read one Shakespeare sonnet each day and share it on YouTube. To hear him read Sonnet 116 and so many others, click <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/asonnetaday" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we provide a close reading of William Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnet 116, which allows us to consider the poem&#39;s definition of a love that is enduring. In addition, though, we consider a reading of the poem which foregrounds a disappointed poetic speaker who can see the love&#39;s transience, too. </p>

<p>For the text of this poem, click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45106/sonnet-116-let-me-not-to-the-marriage-of-true-minds" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.oxfordscholarlyeditions.com/view/10.1093/actrade/9780198184317.book.1/actrade-9780198184317-book-1" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Sonnets-Yale-Nota-Bene/dp/0300085060" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>&#39;s editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are essential reading for anyone who wants to know more about this amazing sonnet sequence. </p>

<p>During the pandemic, Sir Patrick Stewart has read one Shakespeare sonnet each day and share it on YouTube. To hear him read Sonnet 116 and so many others, click <a href="https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/asonnetaday" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 39: Paul Laurence Dunbar, We Wear The Mask</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss "We Wear the Mask" by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar's fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p><strong>We Wear the Mask</strong><br>
BY PAUL LAURENCE DUNBAR</p>

<p>We wear the mask that grins and lies,<br>
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—<br>
This debt we pay to human guile;<br>
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,<br>
And mouth with myriad subtleties.</p>

<p>Why should the world be over-wise,<br>
In counting all our tears and sighs?<br>
Nay, let them only see us, while<br>
       We wear the mask.</p>

<p>We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries<br>
To thee from tortured souls arise.<br>
We sing, but oh the clay is vile<br>
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;<br>
But let the world dream otherwise,<br>
       We wear the mask!</p>

<p>For more on Paul Laurence Dunbar, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/" rel="nofollow">Rafia Zafar</a>, see her personal website at Washington University in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Youtube has a brief clip from the Library of America hosting <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho" rel="nofollow">Kevin Young&#39;s discussion of &quot;We Wear the Mask.&quot;</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Alexander</a> also discusses this poem for the Library of America.</p>

<p>For more on the poetic form of the <a href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau" rel="nofollow">rondeau</a>, see the Academy of American Poets.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar&#39;s fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.</p>

<p><strong>We Wear the Mask</strong><br>
BY PAUL LAURENCE DUNBAR</p>

<p>We wear the mask that grins and lies,<br>
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—<br>
This debt we pay to human guile;<br>
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,<br>
And mouth with myriad subtleties.</p>

<p>Why should the world be over-wise,<br>
In counting all our tears and sighs?<br>
Nay, let them only see us, while<br>
       We wear the mask.</p>

<p>We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries<br>
To thee from tortured souls arise.<br>
We sing, but oh the clay is vile<br>
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;<br>
But let the world dream otherwise,<br>
       We wear the mask!</p>

<p>For more on Paul Laurence Dunbar, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/" rel="nofollow">Rafia Zafar</a>, see her personal website at Washington University in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Youtube has a brief clip from the Library of America hosting <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho" rel="nofollow">Kevin Young&#39;s discussion of &quot;We Wear the Mask.&quot;</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Alexander</a> also discusses this poem for the Library of America.</p>

<p>For more on the poetic form of the <a href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau" rel="nofollow">rondeau</a>, see the Academy of American Poets.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar">Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/rafia-zafar">Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis" rel="nofollow" href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/">Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis</a></li><li><a title="Kevin Young Discusses &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho">Kevin Young Discusses "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Elizabeth Alexander Comments on &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA">Elizabeth Alexander Comments on "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Rondeau | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau">Rondeau | Academy of American Poets</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar&#39;s fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.</p>

<p><strong>We Wear the Mask</strong><br>
BY PAUL LAURENCE DUNBAR</p>

<p>We wear the mask that grins and lies,<br>
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—<br>
This debt we pay to human guile;<br>
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,<br>
And mouth with myriad subtleties.</p>

<p>Why should the world be over-wise,<br>
In counting all our tears and sighs?<br>
Nay, let them only see us, while<br>
       We wear the mask.</p>

<p>We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries<br>
To thee from tortured souls arise.<br>
We sing, but oh the clay is vile<br>
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;<br>
But let the world dream otherwise,<br>
       We wear the mask!</p>

<p>For more on Paul Laurence Dunbar, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/" rel="nofollow">Rafia Zafar</a>, see her personal website at Washington University in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Youtube has a brief clip from the Library of America hosting <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho" rel="nofollow">Kevin Young&#39;s discussion of &quot;We Wear the Mask.&quot;</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Alexander</a> also discusses this poem for the Library of America.</p>

<p>For more on the poetic form of the <a href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau" rel="nofollow">rondeau</a>, see the Academy of American Poets.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar">Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/rafia-zafar">Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis" rel="nofollow" href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/">Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis</a></li><li><a title="Kevin Young Discusses &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho">Kevin Young Discusses "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Elizabeth Alexander Comments on &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA">Elizabeth Alexander Comments on "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Rondeau | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau">Rondeau | Academy of American Poets</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 38: Laura Van Prooyen, Elegy for My Mother's Mind</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads "Elegy for My Mother's Mind," a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura's poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 37: Why Poetry For All</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Joanne and Abram launch the fourth season of Poetry For All with a short discussion about what this podcast is all about and how it relates to all the other great poetry podcasts in the world.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Joanne and Abram launch the fourth season of Poetry For All with a short discussion about what this podcast is all about and how it relates to all the other great poetry podcasts in the world.</p>

<p>This conversation is an excerpt from our virtual visit with the students in Grace Talusan&#39;s creative writing workshop at Brandeis University. Grace uses our podcast in her course, and her students have gone on to create their own podcasts that focus on close readings of poems. If you want more information on how to use our podcast in the classroom, please reach out to us via Facebook, Twitter, or our gmail account (poetryforall2020).</p>

<p>For more on Grace Talusan and her excellent work, <a href="https://www.gracetalusan.com/" rel="nofollow">please see here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Joanne and Abram launch the fourth season of Poetry For All with a short discussion about what this podcast is all about and how it relates to all the other great poetry podcasts in the world.</p>

<p>This conversation is an excerpt from our virtual visit with the students in Grace Talusan&#39;s creative writing workshop at Brandeis University. Grace uses our podcast in her course, and her students have gone on to create their own podcasts that focus on close readings of poems. If you want more information on how to use our podcast in the classroom, please reach out to us via Facebook, Twitter, or our gmail account (poetryforall2020).</p>

<p>For more on Grace Talusan and her excellent work, <a href="https://www.gracetalusan.com/" rel="nofollow">please see here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Writer | Grace Talusan" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.gracetalusan.com/">Writer | Grace Talusan</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Joanne and Abram launch the fourth season of Poetry For All with a short discussion about what this podcast is all about and how it relates to all the other great poetry podcasts in the world.</p>

<p>This conversation is an excerpt from our virtual visit with the students in Grace Talusan&#39;s creative writing workshop at Brandeis University. Grace uses our podcast in her course, and her students have gone on to create their own podcasts that focus on close readings of poems. If you want more information on how to use our podcast in the classroom, please reach out to us via Facebook, Twitter, or our gmail account (poetryforall2020).</p>

<p>For more on Grace Talusan and her excellent work, <a href="https://www.gracetalusan.com/" rel="nofollow">please see here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Writer | Grace Talusan" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.gracetalusan.com/">Writer | Grace Talusan</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 36: Denise Levertov, On the Mystery of the Incarnation</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss Denise Levertov's powerful meditation on the horrors of the twentieth century, and how the mystery of the incarnation might provide humanity with hope.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Denise Levertov&#39;s powerful meditation on the horrors of the twentieth century, and how the mystery of the incarnation might provide humanity with some hope. Our close reading of this poem is informed by Eavan Boland&#39;s Preface and Anne Dewey and Paul A. Lacey&#39;s Afterword in  <em>The Collected Poems of Denise Levertov</em> (New Directions, 2013). </p>

<p>To read &quot;On the Mystery of the Incarnation,&quot; click <a href="https://allpoetry.com/On-The-Mystery-Of-The-Incarnation" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>To read Levertov&#39;s essay &quot;Some Notes on Organic Form,&quot; click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/69392/some-notes-on-organic-form-56d249032078f" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&#39;&#39;On the Mystery of the Incarnation&#39;&#39; by Denise Levertov comes from her book A DOOR IN THE HIVE, copyright ©1989 by Denise Levertov. Used by permission of New Directions Publishing Corp. </p>

<p>Photo of Denise Levertov © David Geier. For more information see National Portrait Gallery at The Smithsonian Institution: <a href="https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.2011.103" rel="nofollow">https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.2011.103</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Denise Levertov&#39;s powerful meditation on the horrors of the twentieth century, and how the mystery of the incarnation might provide humanity with some hope. Our close reading of this poem is informed by Eavan Boland&#39;s Preface and Anne Dewey and Paul A. Lacey&#39;s Afterword in  <em>The Collected Poems of Denise Levertov</em> (New Directions, 2013). </p>

<p>To read &quot;On the Mystery of the Incarnation,&quot; click <a href="https://allpoetry.com/On-The-Mystery-Of-The-Incarnation" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>To read Levertov&#39;s essay &quot;Some Notes on Organic Form,&quot; click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/69392/some-notes-on-organic-form-56d249032078f" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&#39;&#39;On the Mystery of the Incarnation&#39;&#39; by Denise Levertov comes from her book A DOOR IN THE HIVE, copyright ©1989 by Denise Levertov. Used by permission of New Directions Publishing Corp. </p>

<p>Photo of Denise Levertov © David Geier. For more information see National Portrait Gallery at The Smithsonian Institution: <a href="https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.2011.103" rel="nofollow">https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.2011.103</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Denise Levertov&#39;s powerful meditation on the horrors of the twentieth century, and how the mystery of the incarnation might provide humanity with some hope. Our close reading of this poem is informed by Eavan Boland&#39;s Preface and Anne Dewey and Paul A. Lacey&#39;s Afterword in  <em>The Collected Poems of Denise Levertov</em> (New Directions, 2013). </p>

<p>To read &quot;On the Mystery of the Incarnation,&quot; click <a href="https://allpoetry.com/On-The-Mystery-Of-The-Incarnation" rel="nofollow">here</a>. </p>

<p>To read Levertov&#39;s essay &quot;Some Notes on Organic Form,&quot; click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/69392/some-notes-on-organic-form-56d249032078f" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&#39;&#39;On the Mystery of the Incarnation&#39;&#39; by Denise Levertov comes from her book A DOOR IN THE HIVE, copyright ©1989 by Denise Levertov. Used by permission of New Directions Publishing Corp. </p>

<p>Photo of Denise Levertov © David Geier. For more information see National Portrait Gallery at The Smithsonian Institution: <a href="https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.2011.103" rel="nofollow">https://npg.si.edu/object/npg_NPG.2011.103</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 35: Matthew Zapruder, Poem for Wisconsin</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss the way in which Matthew Zapruder attends to vivid, specific details to create a sense of wonder, connection, and surprise.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss the way in which Matthew Zapruder attends to vivid, specific details to create a sense of wonder, connection, and surprise. </p>

<p>To read &quot;Poem for Wisconsin,&quot; click <a href="https://poets.org/poem/poem-wisconsin" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;Poem for Wisconsin&quot; originally appeared in the collection  <em>Sun Bear</em>. Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/sun-bear-by-matthew-zapruder/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For a glimpse of the &quot;Bronze Fonz,&quot; click <a href="https://www.visitmilwaukee.org/articles/about-mke/bronze-fonz/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To see how the Milwaukee Art Museum opens its wings, watch this <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQJPkQL0fU" rel="nofollow">time-lapse video</a>.</p>

<p>For a sense of the &quot;many moods&quot; of Lake Michigan, see the photography of the wonderful <a href="https://jinleephotography.net/great-water" rel="nofollow">Jin Lee</a>.</p>]]>
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<p>To read &quot;Poem for Wisconsin,&quot; click <a href="https://poets.org/poem/poem-wisconsin" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;Poem for Wisconsin&quot; originally appeared in the collection  <em>Sun Bear</em>. Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/sun-bear-by-matthew-zapruder/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For a glimpse of the &quot;Bronze Fonz,&quot; click <a href="https://www.visitmilwaukee.org/articles/about-mke/bronze-fonz/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To see how the Milwaukee Art Museum opens its wings, watch this <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQJPkQL0fU" rel="nofollow">time-lapse video</a>.</p>

<p>For a sense of the &quot;many moods&quot; of Lake Michigan, see the photography of the wonderful <a href="https://jinleephotography.net/great-water" rel="nofollow">Jin Lee</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss the way in which Matthew Zapruder attends to vivid, specific details to create a sense of wonder, connection, and surprise. </p>

<p>To read &quot;Poem for Wisconsin,&quot; click <a href="https://poets.org/poem/poem-wisconsin" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>&quot;Poem for Wisconsin&quot; originally appeared in the collection  <em>Sun Bear</em>. Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/sun-bear-by-matthew-zapruder/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For a glimpse of the &quot;Bronze Fonz,&quot; click <a href="https://www.visitmilwaukee.org/articles/about-mke/bronze-fonz/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>To see how the Milwaukee Art Museum opens its wings, watch this <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQJPkQL0fU" rel="nofollow">time-lapse video</a>.</p>

<p>For a sense of the &quot;many moods&quot; of Lake Michigan, see the photography of the wonderful <a href="https://jinleephotography.net/great-water" rel="nofollow">Jin Lee</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 34: Tracy K. Smith, Declaration</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith's erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith&#39;s erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</p>

<p>For the poem (including a reading and discussion of the poem by Tracy Smith), <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For Solmaz Sharif&#39;s discussion of the political implications of erasure poetry, see &quot;The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure&quot;: <a href="https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html</a></p>

<p>See also &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure" rel="nofollow">Erasure in Three Acts</a>&quot; by Muriel Leung.</p>

<p>For more on Tracy K. Smith, see <a href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/" rel="nofollow">The Library of Congress</a>.</p>

<p>For a look at the various drafts of the Declaration of Independence, visit this page on the Library of Congress website: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for granting us permission to read this poem, which appears in <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/wade-water" rel="nofollow">Wade in the Water</a> (2018). </p>

<p>Thanks to Harvard University and photographer Stephanie Mitchell for granting us permission to reproduce Tracy Smith&#39;s photo.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith&#39;s erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</p>

<p>For the poem (including a reading and discussion of the poem by Tracy Smith), <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For Solmaz Sharif&#39;s discussion of the political implications of erasure poetry, see &quot;The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure&quot;: <a href="https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html</a></p>

<p>See also &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure" rel="nofollow">Erasure in Three Acts</a>&quot; by Muriel Leung.</p>

<p>For more on Tracy K. Smith, see <a href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/" rel="nofollow">The Library of Congress</a>.</p>

<p>For a look at the various drafts of the Declaration of Independence, visit this page on the Library of Congress website: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for granting us permission to read this poem, which appears in <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/wade-water" rel="nofollow">Wade in the Water</a> (2018). </p>

<p>Thanks to Harvard University and photographer Stephanie Mitchell for granting us permission to reproduce Tracy Smith&#39;s photo.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461">Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/">Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress</a></li><li><a title="Look | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/look">Look | Graywolf Press</a></li><li><a title="Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure">Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith&#39;s erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</p>

<p>For the poem (including a reading and discussion of the poem by Tracy Smith), <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For Solmaz Sharif&#39;s discussion of the political implications of erasure poetry, see &quot;The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure&quot;: <a href="https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html</a></p>

<p>See also &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure" rel="nofollow">Erasure in Three Acts</a>&quot; by Muriel Leung.</p>

<p>For more on Tracy K. Smith, see <a href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/" rel="nofollow">The Library of Congress</a>.</p>

<p>For a look at the various drafts of the Declaration of Independence, visit this page on the Library of Congress website: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for granting us permission to read this poem, which appears in <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/wade-water" rel="nofollow">Wade in the Water</a> (2018). </p>

<p>Thanks to Harvard University and photographer Stephanie Mitchell for granting us permission to reproduce Tracy Smith&#39;s photo.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461">Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/">Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress</a></li><li><a title="Look | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/look">Look | Graywolf Press</a></li><li><a title="Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure">Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 33: Adrienne Rich, Power</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week, the poet and scholar Stephanie Burt joins us to discuss the extraordinary power of Adrienne Rich. We think through how the spacing and stanzas of a poem can draw out denials and divulgences, while also exploring the life and writing of Rich.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, the poet and scholar Stephanie Burt joins us to discuss the extraordinary power of Adrienne Rich. We think through how the spacing and stanzas of a poem can draw out denials and divulgences, while also exploring the life and writing of Rich.</p>

<p>Stephanie Burt&#39;s excellent book <a href="https://www.basicbooks.com/titles/stephanie-burt/dont-read-poetry/9780465094516/" rel="nofollow"><em>Don&#39;t Read Poetry</em> </a>ends with an examination of this poem by Adrienne Rich. The book, which can be found at the link, offers an introduction to reading poems and different ways of approaching them.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, <a href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/11641436-Power-by-Adrienne-Rich" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/adrienne-rich" rel="nofollow">Adrienne Rich</a>, please see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/stephanie-burt" rel="nofollow">Stephanie Burt</a>, please see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p><a href="https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/5e66b3e8-c127-d471-e040-e00a180654d7" rel="nofollow">Photograph</a> of Adrienne Rich by Robert Giard.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, ars poetica, body in pain, free verse, guest on the show, lgbtqia month, science and medicine, social justice and advocacy, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, the poet and scholar Stephanie Burt joins us to discuss the extraordinary power of Adrienne Rich. We think through how the spacing and stanzas of a poem can draw out denials and divulgences, while also exploring the life and writing of Rich.</p>

<p>Stephanie Burt&#39;s excellent book <a href="https://www.basicbooks.com/titles/stephanie-burt/dont-read-poetry/9780465094516/" rel="nofollow"><em>Don&#39;t Read Poetry</em> </a>ends with an examination of this poem by Adrienne Rich. The book, which can be found at the link, offers an introduction to reading poems and different ways of approaching them.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, <a href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/11641436-Power-by-Adrienne-Rich" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/adrienne-rich" rel="nofollow">Adrienne Rich</a>, please see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/stephanie-burt" rel="nofollow">Stephanie Burt</a>, please see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p><a href="https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/5e66b3e8-c127-d471-e040-e00a180654d7" rel="nofollow">Photograph</a> of Adrienne Rich by Robert Giard.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Power by Adrienne Rich - Famous poems, famous poets. - All Poetry" rel="nofollow" href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/11641436-Power-by-Adrienne-Rich">Power by Adrienne Rich - Famous poems, famous poets. - All Poetry</a></li><li><a title="Adrienne Rich | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/adrienne-rich">Adrienne Rich | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Stephanie Burt | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/stephanie-burt">Stephanie Burt | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week, the poet and scholar Stephanie Burt joins us to discuss the extraordinary power of Adrienne Rich. We think through how the spacing and stanzas of a poem can draw out denials and divulgences, while also exploring the life and writing of Rich.</p>

<p>Stephanie Burt&#39;s excellent book <a href="https://www.basicbooks.com/titles/stephanie-burt/dont-read-poetry/9780465094516/" rel="nofollow"><em>Don&#39;t Read Poetry</em> </a>ends with an examination of this poem by Adrienne Rich. The book, which can be found at the link, offers an introduction to reading poems and different ways of approaching them.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, <a href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/11641436-Power-by-Adrienne-Rich" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/adrienne-rich" rel="nofollow">Adrienne Rich</a>, please see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/stephanie-burt" rel="nofollow">Stephanie Burt</a>, please see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p><a href="https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/5e66b3e8-c127-d471-e040-e00a180654d7" rel="nofollow">Photograph</a> of Adrienne Rich by Robert Giard.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Power by Adrienne Rich - Famous poems, famous poets. - All Poetry" rel="nofollow" href="https://allpoetry.com/poem/11641436-Power-by-Adrienne-Rich">Power by Adrienne Rich - Famous poems, famous poets. - All Poetry</a></li><li><a title="Adrienne Rich | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/adrienne-rich">Adrienne Rich | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Stephanie Burt | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/stephanie-burt">Stephanie Burt | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 32: Rick Barot, Cascades 501</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2021 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:duration>38:32</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, poet Rick Barot guides us in our reading of his poem &quot;Cascades 501&quot; from <em>The Galleons,</em> his most recent collection. Rick&#39;s insights into how poets engage with place, create juxtapositions, and arrive at insights taught us so much about how poets create their best work. </p>

<p>To learn more about Rick Barot, you can visit his website:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.rickbarot.com/about/" rel="nofollow">https://www.rickbarot.com/about/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about <em>The Galleons,</em> you can visit the Milkweed Editions website:</p>

<p><a href="https://milkweed.org/book/the-galleons" rel="nofollow">https://milkweed.org/book/the-galleons</a></p>

<p>To read &quot;Cascade 501,&quot; visit the Academy of American Poets website:</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/cascades-501" rel="nofollow">https://poets.org/poem/cascades-501</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, asian american &amp; pacific islander month, free verse, guest on the show, lgbtqia month, narrative, nature poetry, surprise</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, poet Rick Barot guides us in our reading of his poem &quot;Cascades 501&quot; from <em>The Galleons,</em> his most recent collection. Rick&#39;s insights into how poets engage with place, create juxtapositions, and arrive at insights taught us so much about how poets create their best work. </p>

<p>To learn more about Rick Barot, you can visit his website:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.rickbarot.com/about/" rel="nofollow">https://www.rickbarot.com/about/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about <em>The Galleons,</em> you can visit the Milkweed Editions website:</p>

<p><a href="https://milkweed.org/book/the-galleons" rel="nofollow">https://milkweed.org/book/the-galleons</a></p>

<p>To read &quot;Cascade 501,&quot; visit the Academy of American Poets website:</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/cascades-501" rel="nofollow">https://poets.org/poem/cascades-501</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, poet Rick Barot guides us in our reading of his poem &quot;Cascades 501&quot; from <em>The Galleons,</em> his most recent collection. Rick&#39;s insights into how poets engage with place, create juxtapositions, and arrive at insights taught us so much about how poets create their best work. </p>

<p>To learn more about Rick Barot, you can visit his website:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.rickbarot.com/about/" rel="nofollow">https://www.rickbarot.com/about/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about <em>The Galleons,</em> you can visit the Milkweed Editions website:</p>

<p><a href="https://milkweed.org/book/the-galleons" rel="nofollow">https://milkweed.org/book/the-galleons</a></p>

<p>To read &quot;Cascade 501,&quot; visit the Academy of American Poets website:</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/cascades-501" rel="nofollow">https://poets.org/poem/cascades-501</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 31: Jane Kenyon, Twilight: After Haying</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week we take a closer look at another autumn poem, this one by Jane Kenyon from her wonderful book Otherwise: New and Selected Poems. Kenyon builds from and transforms the same tradition of the autumn ode we examined last week with John Keats.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we take a closer look at another autumn poem, this one by Jane Kenyon from her wonderful book Otherwise: New and Selected Poems. Kenyon builds from and transforms the same tradition of the autumn ode we examined last week with John Keats.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem from <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/otherwise" rel="nofollow">Otherwise: New and Selected Poems</a> by Jane Kenyon.</p>

<p>Click here for the full text of <a href="https://poets.org/poem/twilight-after-haying" rel="nofollow">Twilight: After Haying</a>.</p>

<p>See the Poetry Foundation for more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-kenyon" rel="nofollow">Jane Kenyon</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we take a closer look at another autumn poem, this one by Jane Kenyon from her wonderful book Otherwise: New and Selected Poems. Kenyon builds from and transforms the same tradition of the autumn ode we examined last week with John Keats.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem from <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/otherwise" rel="nofollow">Otherwise: New and Selected Poems</a> by Jane Kenyon.</p>

<p>Click here for the full text of <a href="https://poets.org/poem/twilight-after-haying" rel="nofollow">Twilight: After Haying</a>.</p>

<p>See the Poetry Foundation for more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-kenyon" rel="nofollow">Jane Kenyon</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Twilight: After Haying by Jane Kenyon - Poems | poets.org" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/twilight-after-haying">Twilight: After Haying by Jane Kenyon - Poems | poets.org</a></li><li><a title="Otherwise | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/otherwise">Otherwise | Graywolf Press</a></li><li><a title="Jane Kenyon | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-kenyon">Jane Kenyon | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we take a closer look at another autumn poem, this one by Jane Kenyon from her wonderful book Otherwise: New and Selected Poems. Kenyon builds from and transforms the same tradition of the autumn ode we examined last week with John Keats.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem from <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/otherwise" rel="nofollow">Otherwise: New and Selected Poems</a> by Jane Kenyon.</p>

<p>Click here for the full text of <a href="https://poets.org/poem/twilight-after-haying" rel="nofollow">Twilight: After Haying</a>.</p>

<p>See the Poetry Foundation for more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-kenyon" rel="nofollow">Jane Kenyon</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Twilight: After Haying by Jane Kenyon - Poems | poets.org" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/twilight-after-haying">Twilight: After Haying by Jane Kenyon - Poems | poets.org</a></li><li><a title="Otherwise | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/otherwise">Otherwise | Graywolf Press</a></li><li><a title="Jane Kenyon | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-kenyon">Jane Kenyon | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 30: John Keats, To Autumn</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>John Keats was one of the great British Romanticists. In this episode we talk with Michael Theune and Brian Rejack about one of his last odes, "To Autumn," which has inspired poets ever since it was first composed in 1821. We encourage you to read along with the text of the poem as we talk through its implications for the 21st century and our age of ecological disaster.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>To Autumn</strong><br>
<em>by John Keats</em></p>

<p>Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness,<br>
   Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun;<br>
Conspiring with him how to load and bless<br>
   With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;<br>
To bend with apples the moss&#39;d cottage-trees,<br>
   And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;<br>
      To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells<br>
   With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,<br>
And still more, later flowers for the bees,<br>
Until they think warm days will never cease,<br>
      For summer has o&#39;er-brimm&#39;d their clammy cells.</p>

<p>Who hath not seen thee oft amid thy store?<br>
   Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find<br>
Thee sitting careless on a granary floor,<br>
   Thy hair soft-lifted by the winnowing wind;<br>
Or on a half-reap&#39;d furrow sound asleep,<br>
   Drows&#39;d with the fume of poppies, while thy hook<br>
      Spares the next swath and all its twined flowers:<br>
And sometimes like a gleaner thou dost keep<br>
   Steady thy laden head across a brook;<br>
   Or by a cyder-press, with patient look,<br>
      Thou watchest the last oozings hours by hours.</p>

<p>Where are the songs of spring? Ay, Where are they?<br>
   Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,—<br>
While barred clouds bloom the soft-dying day,<br>
   And touch the stubble-plains with rosy hue;<br>
Then in a wailful choir the small gnats mourn<br>
   Among the river sallows, borne aloft<br>
      Or sinking as the light wind lives or dies;<br>
And full-grown lambs loud bleat from hilly bourn;<br>
   Hedge-crickets sing; and now with treble soft<br>
   The red-breast whistles from a garden-croft;<br>
      And gathering swallows twitter in the skies.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats" rel="nofollow">John Keats</a>, see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats</a></p>

<p><strong>Further Resources:</strong></p>

<p>Keats&#39;s Negative Capability: New Origins and Afterlives, ed. Brian Rejack and Michael Theune: <br>
<a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;</a></p>

<p>Keats Letters Project:<br>
<a href="https://keatslettersproject.com/" rel="nofollow">https://keatslettersproject.com/</a></p>

<p>Anahid Nersessian, Keats&#39;s Odes: A Lover&#39;s Discourse <br>
<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html" rel="nofollow">https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>To Autumn</strong><br>
<em>by John Keats</em></p>

<p>Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness,<br>
   Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun;<br>
Conspiring with him how to load and bless<br>
   With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;<br>
To bend with apples the moss&#39;d cottage-trees,<br>
   And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;<br>
      To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells<br>
   With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,<br>
And still more, later flowers for the bees,<br>
Until they think warm days will never cease,<br>
      For summer has o&#39;er-brimm&#39;d their clammy cells.</p>

<p>Who hath not seen thee oft amid thy store?<br>
   Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find<br>
Thee sitting careless on a granary floor,<br>
   Thy hair soft-lifted by the winnowing wind;<br>
Or on a half-reap&#39;d furrow sound asleep,<br>
   Drows&#39;d with the fume of poppies, while thy hook<br>
      Spares the next swath and all its twined flowers:<br>
And sometimes like a gleaner thou dost keep<br>
   Steady thy laden head across a brook;<br>
   Or by a cyder-press, with patient look,<br>
      Thou watchest the last oozings hours by hours.</p>

<p>Where are the songs of spring? Ay, Where are they?<br>
   Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,—<br>
While barred clouds bloom the soft-dying day,<br>
   And touch the stubble-plains with rosy hue;<br>
Then in a wailful choir the small gnats mourn<br>
   Among the river sallows, borne aloft<br>
      Or sinking as the light wind lives or dies;<br>
And full-grown lambs loud bleat from hilly bourn;<br>
   Hedge-crickets sing; and now with treble soft<br>
   The red-breast whistles from a garden-croft;<br>
      And gathering swallows twitter in the skies.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats" rel="nofollow">John Keats</a>, see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats</a></p>

<p><strong>Further Resources:</strong></p>

<p>Keats&#39;s Negative Capability: New Origins and Afterlives, ed. Brian Rejack and Michael Theune: <br>
<a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;</a></p>

<p>Keats Letters Project:<br>
<a href="https://keatslettersproject.com/" rel="nofollow">https://keatslettersproject.com/</a></p>

<p>Anahid Nersessian, Keats&#39;s Odes: A Lover&#39;s Discourse <br>
<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html" rel="nofollow">https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="To Autumn by John Keats | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44484/to-autumn">To Autumn by John Keats | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="John Keats | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats">John Keats | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Keats&#39;s Negative Capability - Hardcover - Brian Rejack; Michael Theune - Oxford University Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;">Keats's Negative Capability - Hardcover - Brian Rejack; Michael Theune - Oxford University Press</a></li><li><a title="The Keats Letters Project – Corresponding with Keats" rel="nofollow" href="https://keatslettersproject.com/">The Keats Letters Project – Corresponding with Keats</a></li><li><a title="Keats’s Odes: A Lover’s Discourse, Nersessian" rel="nofollow" href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html">Keats’s Odes: A Lover’s Discourse, Nersessian</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>To Autumn</strong><br>
<em>by John Keats</em></p>

<p>Season of mists and mellow fruitfulness,<br>
   Close bosom-friend of the maturing sun;<br>
Conspiring with him how to load and bless<br>
   With fruit the vines that round the thatch-eves run;<br>
To bend with apples the moss&#39;d cottage-trees,<br>
   And fill all fruit with ripeness to the core;<br>
      To swell the gourd, and plump the hazel shells<br>
   With a sweet kernel; to set budding more,<br>
And still more, later flowers for the bees,<br>
Until they think warm days will never cease,<br>
      For summer has o&#39;er-brimm&#39;d their clammy cells.</p>

<p>Who hath not seen thee oft amid thy store?<br>
   Sometimes whoever seeks abroad may find<br>
Thee sitting careless on a granary floor,<br>
   Thy hair soft-lifted by the winnowing wind;<br>
Or on a half-reap&#39;d furrow sound asleep,<br>
   Drows&#39;d with the fume of poppies, while thy hook<br>
      Spares the next swath and all its twined flowers:<br>
And sometimes like a gleaner thou dost keep<br>
   Steady thy laden head across a brook;<br>
   Or by a cyder-press, with patient look,<br>
      Thou watchest the last oozings hours by hours.</p>

<p>Where are the songs of spring? Ay, Where are they?<br>
   Think not of them, thou hast thy music too,—<br>
While barred clouds bloom the soft-dying day,<br>
   And touch the stubble-plains with rosy hue;<br>
Then in a wailful choir the small gnats mourn<br>
   Among the river sallows, borne aloft<br>
      Or sinking as the light wind lives or dies;<br>
And full-grown lambs loud bleat from hilly bourn;<br>
   Hedge-crickets sing; and now with treble soft<br>
   The red-breast whistles from a garden-croft;<br>
      And gathering swallows twitter in the skies.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats" rel="nofollow">John Keats</a>, see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats</a></p>

<p><strong>Further Resources:</strong></p>

<p>Keats&#39;s Negative Capability: New Origins and Afterlives, ed. Brian Rejack and Michael Theune: <br>
<a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;</a></p>

<p>Keats Letters Project:<br>
<a href="https://keatslettersproject.com/" rel="nofollow">https://keatslettersproject.com/</a></p>

<p>Anahid Nersessian, Keats&#39;s Odes: A Lover&#39;s Discourse <br>
<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html" rel="nofollow">https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="To Autumn by John Keats | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44484/to-autumn">To Autumn by John Keats | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="John Keats | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-keats">John Keats | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Keats&#39;s Negative Capability - Hardcover - Brian Rejack; Michael Theune - Oxford University Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/keatss-negative-capability-9781786941817?cc=us&amp;lang=en&amp;">Keats's Negative Capability - Hardcover - Brian Rejack; Michael Theune - Oxford University Press</a></li><li><a title="The Keats Letters Project – Corresponding with Keats" rel="nofollow" href="https://keatslettersproject.com/">The Keats Letters Project – Corresponding with Keats</a></li><li><a title="Keats’s Odes: A Lover’s Discourse, Nersessian" rel="nofollow" href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/K/bo77573957.html">Keats’s Odes: A Lover’s Discourse, Nersessian</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 29: Elizabeth Bishop, One Art</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Bishop was one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, and &quot;One Art&quot; is certainly one of the greatest villanelles. In this episode, we talk about the poetic form and its constraints. We also draw upon recent scholarship that has revealed a great deal about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and work in order to understand the power of poetic constraint. </p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;One Art&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art</a></p>

<p>For more about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and the cultural context that informed her work, read Megan Marshall&#39;s <em><a href="https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/elizabeth-bishop/9781328745637" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Bishop: A Miracle for Breakfast</a></em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the correspondence between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell, read <em><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531898" rel="nofollow">Words in Air: The Complete Correspondence Between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell</a></em>, edited by Thomas Travisano and Saskia Hamilton.</p>

<p>“One Art” from POEMS by Elizabeth Bishop. Copyright © 2011 by The Alice H. Methfessel Trust. Publisher&#39;s Note and compilation copyright © 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, grief and loss, lgbtqia month, love, rhymed verse, villanelle, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Bishop was one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, and &quot;One Art&quot; is certainly one of the greatest villanelles. In this episode, we talk about the poetic form and its constraints. We also draw upon recent scholarship that has revealed a great deal about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and work in order to understand the power of poetic constraint. </p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;One Art&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art</a></p>

<p>For more about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and the cultural context that informed her work, read Megan Marshall&#39;s <em><a href="https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/elizabeth-bishop/9781328745637" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Bishop: A Miracle for Breakfast</a></em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the correspondence between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell, read <em><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531898" rel="nofollow">Words in Air: The Complete Correspondence Between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell</a></em>, edited by Thomas Travisano and Saskia Hamilton.</p>

<p>“One Art” from POEMS by Elizabeth Bishop. Copyright © 2011 by The Alice H. Methfessel Trust. Publisher&#39;s Note and compilation copyright © 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Bishop was one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, and &quot;One Art&quot; is certainly one of the greatest villanelles. In this episode, we talk about the poetic form and its constraints. We also draw upon recent scholarship that has revealed a great deal about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and work in order to understand the power of poetic constraint. </p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;One Art&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art</a></p>

<p>For more about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and the cultural context that informed her work, read Megan Marshall&#39;s <em><a href="https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/elizabeth-bishop/9781328745637" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Bishop: A Miracle for Breakfast</a></em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the correspondence between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell, read <em><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531898" rel="nofollow">Words in Air: The Complete Correspondence Between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell</a></em>, edited by Thomas Travisano and Saskia Hamilton.</p>

<p>“One Art” from POEMS by Elizabeth Bishop. Copyright © 2011 by The Alice H. Methfessel Trust. Publisher&#39;s Note and compilation copyright © 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 28: Countee Cullen, Yet Do I Marvel</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Countee Cullen was a major voice of the Harlem Renaissance. Joined by the renowned cultural critic Gerald Early, we here examine together story of Countee Cullen and the astounding sonnet that opens his main collection of poetry, My Soul's High Song.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Countee Cullen was a major voice of the Harlem Renaissance. Joined by the renowned cultural critic Gerald Early, we here examine together story of Countee Cullen and the astounding sonnet that opens his main collection of poetry, My Soul&#39;s High Song.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/countee-cullen" rel="nofollow">Countee Cullen</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>Here is the text of the sonnet: </p>

<p><strong>Yet Do I Marvel</strong><br>
Countee Cullen</p>

<p>I doubt not God is good, well-meaning, kind,<br>
And did He stoop to quibble could tell why<br>
The little buried mole continues blind,<br><br>
Why flesh that mirrors Him must some day die,<br>
Make plain the reason tortured Tantalus<br>
Is baited by the fickle fruit, declare<br><br>
If merely brute caprice dooms Sisyphus<br>
To struggle up a never-ending stair.<br><br>
Inscrutable His ways are, and immune<br><br>
To catechism by a mind too strewn<br><br>
With petty cares to slightly understand<br><br>
What awful brain compels His awful hand.<br><br>
Yet do I marvel at this curious thing:<br><br>
To make a poet black, and bid him sing!</p>

<p>For the main collection of Countee Cullen&#39;s poetry, edited by Gerald Early, see <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Souls-High-Song-Countee-Cullen/dp/0385412959" rel="nofollow">My Soul&#39;s High Song</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Countee Cullen was a major voice of the Harlem Renaissance. Joined by the renowned cultural critic Gerald Early, we here examine together story of Countee Cullen and the astounding sonnet that opens his main collection of poetry, My Soul&#39;s High Song.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/countee-cullen" rel="nofollow">Countee Cullen</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>Here is the text of the sonnet: </p>

<p><strong>Yet Do I Marvel</strong><br>
Countee Cullen</p>

<p>I doubt not God is good, well-meaning, kind,<br>
And did He stoop to quibble could tell why<br>
The little buried mole continues blind,<br><br>
Why flesh that mirrors Him must some day die,<br>
Make plain the reason tortured Tantalus<br>
Is baited by the fickle fruit, declare<br><br>
If merely brute caprice dooms Sisyphus<br>
To struggle up a never-ending stair.<br><br>
Inscrutable His ways are, and immune<br><br>
To catechism by a mind too strewn<br><br>
With petty cares to slightly understand<br><br>
What awful brain compels His awful hand.<br><br>
Yet do I marvel at this curious thing:<br><br>
To make a poet black, and bid him sing!</p>

<p>For the main collection of Countee Cullen&#39;s poetry, edited by Gerald Early, see <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Souls-High-Song-Countee-Cullen/dp/0385412959" rel="nofollow">My Soul&#39;s High Song</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/countee-cullen">Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Yet Do I Marvel by Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42611/yet-do-i-marvel">Yet Do I Marvel by Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="My Soul&#39;s High Song: 9780385412957: Cullen, Countee: Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.com/Souls-High-Song-Countee-Cullen/dp/0385412959">My Soul's High Song: 9780385412957: Cullen, Countee: Books</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Countee Cullen was a major voice of the Harlem Renaissance. Joined by the renowned cultural critic Gerald Early, we here examine together story of Countee Cullen and the astounding sonnet that opens his main collection of poetry, My Soul&#39;s High Song.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/countee-cullen" rel="nofollow">Countee Cullen</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>

<p>Here is the text of the sonnet: </p>

<p><strong>Yet Do I Marvel</strong><br>
Countee Cullen</p>

<p>I doubt not God is good, well-meaning, kind,<br>
And did He stoop to quibble could tell why<br>
The little buried mole continues blind,<br><br>
Why flesh that mirrors Him must some day die,<br>
Make plain the reason tortured Tantalus<br>
Is baited by the fickle fruit, declare<br><br>
If merely brute caprice dooms Sisyphus<br>
To struggle up a never-ending stair.<br><br>
Inscrutable His ways are, and immune<br><br>
To catechism by a mind too strewn<br><br>
With petty cares to slightly understand<br><br>
What awful brain compels His awful hand.<br><br>
Yet do I marvel at this curious thing:<br><br>
To make a poet black, and bid him sing!</p>

<p>For the main collection of Countee Cullen&#39;s poetry, edited by Gerald Early, see <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Souls-High-Song-Countee-Cullen/dp/0385412959" rel="nofollow">My Soul&#39;s High Song</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/countee-cullen">Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Yet Do I Marvel by Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42611/yet-do-i-marvel">Yet Do I Marvel by Countee Cullen | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="My Soul&#39;s High Song: 9780385412957: Cullen, Countee: Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.com/Souls-High-Song-Countee-Cullen/dp/0385412959">My Soul's High Song: 9780385412957: Cullen, Countee: Books</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 27: Marianne Moore, Poetry</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss the influential modernist poet Marianne Moore and her witty, wonderful poem called "Poetry," a classic ars poetica (a poem about writing poetry).</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>21:11</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss the influential modernist poet Marianne Moore and her witty, wonderful poem called &quot;Poetry,&quot; a classic ars poetica (a poem about writing poetry). This poem has gone through many different editions. We take an earlier, longer version and ask how it participated in the modernist practice of &quot;making it new&quot; in the early 1900s. </p>

<p>Marianne Moore was a technical master with widespread influence who was at the very center of American modernism -- friends with William Carlos Williams (see episode 25), Ezra Pound, H.D., and many others, as well as a mentor to Elizabeth Bishop (who we&#39;ll have an episode on soon!). An ardent Presbyterian who wore a cape and tri-cornered hat and who carefully curated her public image, Marianne Moore became a sought-after celebrity in her own day. </p>

<p>For more on Marianne Moore, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marianne-moore" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Poetry,&quot; <a href="https://poets.org/poem/poetry" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss the influential modernist poet Marianne Moore and her witty, wonderful poem called &quot;Poetry,&quot; a classic ars poetica (a poem about writing poetry). This poem has gone through many different editions. We take an earlier, longer version and ask how it participated in the modernist practice of &quot;making it new&quot; in the early 1900s. </p>

<p>Marianne Moore was a technical master with widespread influence who was at the very center of American modernism -- friends with William Carlos Williams (see episode 25), Ezra Pound, H.D., and many others, as well as a mentor to Elizabeth Bishop (who we&#39;ll have an episode on soon!). An ardent Presbyterian who wore a cape and tri-cornered hat and who carefully curated her public image, Marianne Moore became a sought-after celebrity in her own day. </p>

<p>For more on Marianne Moore, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marianne-moore" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Poetry,&quot; <a href="https://poets.org/poem/poetry" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Marianne Moore | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marianne-moore">Marianne Moore | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Poetry by Marianne Moore - Poems | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/poetry">Poetry by Marianne Moore - Poems | Academy of American Poets</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss the influential modernist poet Marianne Moore and her witty, wonderful poem called &quot;Poetry,&quot; a classic ars poetica (a poem about writing poetry). This poem has gone through many different editions. We take an earlier, longer version and ask how it participated in the modernist practice of &quot;making it new&quot; in the early 1900s. </p>

<p>Marianne Moore was a technical master with widespread influence who was at the very center of American modernism -- friends with William Carlos Williams (see episode 25), Ezra Pound, H.D., and many others, as well as a mentor to Elizabeth Bishop (who we&#39;ll have an episode on soon!). An ardent Presbyterian who wore a cape and tri-cornered hat and who carefully curated her public image, Marianne Moore became a sought-after celebrity in her own day. </p>

<p>For more on Marianne Moore, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marianne-moore" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Poetry,&quot; <a href="https://poets.org/poem/poetry" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Marianne Moore | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marianne-moore">Marianne Moore | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Poetry by Marianne Moore - Poems | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/poetry">Poetry by Marianne Moore - Poems | Academy of American Poets</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 26: Brenda Cárdenas, "Our Lady of Sorrows"</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of "Our Lady of Sorrows," an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>21:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of &quot;Our Lady of Sorrows,&quot; an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </p>

<p>To read more of Brenda Cárdenas&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/" rel="nofollow">https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about Ana Mendieta&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta" rel="nofollow">https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, ekphrasis, erasure, free verse, grief and loss, guest on the show, hispanic heritage month, nature poetry, social justice and advocacy, spirituality, visual poetry, word and image</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of &quot;Our Lady of Sorrows,&quot; an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </p>

<p>To read more of Brenda Cárdenas&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/" rel="nofollow">https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about Ana Mendieta&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta" rel="nofollow">https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of &quot;Our Lady of Sorrows,&quot; an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </p>

<p>To read more of Brenda Cárdenas&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/" rel="nofollow">https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about Ana Mendieta&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta" rel="nofollow">https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 25: William Carlos Williams, "This is Just to Say"</title>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2021 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss a simple, iconic, "sorry-not sorry" poem from the early age of American modernism, which has taken on new life in the age of Twitter and the pandemic.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>18:13</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss a simple, iconic, &quot;sorry-not sorry&quot; poem from the early age of American modernism, which has taken on new life in the age of Twitter and the pandemic.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/william-carlos-williams" rel="nofollow">William Carlos Williams</a>, see the Poetry Foundation. See the text of &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56159/this-is-just-to-say" rel="nofollow">This is Just to Say</a>&quot; there as well.</p>

<p>“This Is Just to Say” by William Carlos Williams, from <em>The Collected Poems: Volume I, 1909-1939</em>, copyright ©1938 by New Directions Publishing Corp. Used by permission of New Directions Publishing Corp.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss a simple, iconic, &quot;sorry-not sorry&quot; poem from the early age of American modernism, which has taken on new life in the age of Twitter and the pandemic.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/william-carlos-williams" rel="nofollow">William Carlos Williams</a>, see the Poetry Foundation. See the text of &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56159/this-is-just-to-say" rel="nofollow">This is Just to Say</a>&quot; there as well.</p>

<p>“This Is Just to Say” by William Carlos Williams, from <em>The Collected Poems: Volume I, 1909-1939</em>, copyright ©1938 by New Directions Publishing Corp. Used by permission of New Directions Publishing Corp.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss a simple, iconic, &quot;sorry-not sorry&quot; poem from the early age of American modernism, which has taken on new life in the age of Twitter and the pandemic.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/william-carlos-williams" rel="nofollow">William Carlos Williams</a>, see the Poetry Foundation. See the text of &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56159/this-is-just-to-say" rel="nofollow">This is Just to Say</a>&quot; there as well.</p>

<p>“This Is Just to Say” by William Carlos Williams, from <em>The Collected Poems: Volume I, 1909-1939</em>, copyright ©1938 by New Directions Publishing Corp. Used by permission of New Directions Publishing Corp.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 24: Robert Hayden, Those Winter Sundays</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Robert Hayden was one of the greatest American poets of the twentieth century. His poems are known for their formal grace and his deep and broad explorations of the African American experience. &quot;Those Winter Sundays&quot; is one of our all-time favorite poems. We hope you enjoy this conversation.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Those Winter Sundays,&quot; click here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays</a></p>

<p>For more about Robert Hayden, click here:  <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden</a></p>

<p>We love Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the Centenary Edition of Robert Hayden&#39;s <em>Collected Poems,</em> edited by Frederick Glaysher. Please do find a copy at your local library or at your favorite bookstore: <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798" rel="nofollow">https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, aging, black history month, children, father's day, gratitude, love, sonnet, surprise, winter, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Robert Hayden was one of the greatest American poets of the twentieth century. His poems are known for their formal grace and his deep and broad explorations of the African American experience. &quot;Those Winter Sundays&quot; is one of our all-time favorite poems. We hope you enjoy this conversation.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Those Winter Sundays,&quot; click here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays</a></p>

<p>For more about Robert Hayden, click here:  <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden</a></p>

<p>We love Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the Centenary Edition of Robert Hayden&#39;s <em>Collected Poems,</em> edited by Frederick Glaysher. Please do find a copy at your local library or at your favorite bookstore: <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798" rel="nofollow">https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Robert Hayden was one of the greatest American poets of the twentieth century. His poems are known for their formal grace and his deep and broad explorations of the African American experience. &quot;Those Winter Sundays&quot; is one of our all-time favorite poems. We hope you enjoy this conversation.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Those Winter Sundays,&quot; click here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays</a></p>

<p>For more about Robert Hayden, click here:  <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden</a></p>

<p>We love Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the Centenary Edition of Robert Hayden&#39;s <em>Collected Poems,</em> edited by Frederick Glaysher. Please do find a copy at your local library or at your favorite bookstore: <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798" rel="nofollow">https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 23: Langston Hughes, "Johannesburg Mines"</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2021 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, poetry of witness, and the places where poetry speaks loudly of silence -- where language fails in the face of trauma.  "The worst is not, so long as we can say, 'This is the worst.'"</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, the poetry of witness, and the way poets can speak of the failure of language and the need for silence in the face of trauma. &quot;The worst is not, so long as we can say, &#39;This is the worst.&#39;&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Langston Hughes&#39;s poem &quot;Johannesburg Mines,&quot; <a href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Langston Hughes, see<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes" rel="nofollow"> the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on social poetics, see <a href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics" rel="nofollow">Mark Nowak&#39;s book</a> by that name.</p>

<p>For more on the poetry of witness, see <a href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/" rel="nofollow">Sandra Beasley&#39;s essay &quot;Flint and Tinder.&quot;</a></p>

<p>For Anna Akhmatova&#39;s &quot;Instead of a Preface&quot; in her great work Requiem as an alternative approach, <a href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Harold Ober Associates, Inc., for granting us permission to read this poem on our podcast.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, the poetry of witness, and the way poets can speak of the failure of language and the need for silence in the face of trauma. &quot;The worst is not, so long as we can say, &#39;This is the worst.&#39;&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Langston Hughes&#39;s poem &quot;Johannesburg Mines,&quot; <a href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Langston Hughes, see<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes" rel="nofollow"> the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on social poetics, see <a href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics" rel="nofollow">Mark Nowak&#39;s book</a> by that name.</p>

<p>For more on the poetry of witness, see <a href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/" rel="nofollow">Sandra Beasley&#39;s essay &quot;Flint and Tinder.&quot;</a></p>

<p>For Anna Akhmatova&#39;s &quot;Instead of a Preface&quot; in her great work Requiem as an alternative approach, <a href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Harold Ober Associates, Inc., for granting us permission to read this poem on our podcast.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines">Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes</a></li><li><a title="Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes">Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Social Poetics – Coffee House Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics">Social Poetics – Coffee House Press</a></li><li><a title="Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/">Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”</a></li><li><a title="Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/">Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, the poetry of witness, and the way poets can speak of the failure of language and the need for silence in the face of trauma. &quot;The worst is not, so long as we can say, &#39;This is the worst.&#39;&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Langston Hughes&#39;s poem &quot;Johannesburg Mines,&quot; <a href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Langston Hughes, see<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes" rel="nofollow"> the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on social poetics, see <a href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics" rel="nofollow">Mark Nowak&#39;s book</a> by that name.</p>

<p>For more on the poetry of witness, see <a href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/" rel="nofollow">Sandra Beasley&#39;s essay &quot;Flint and Tinder.&quot;</a></p>

<p>For Anna Akhmatova&#39;s &quot;Instead of a Preface&quot; in her great work Requiem as an alternative approach, <a href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Harold Ober Associates, Inc., for granting us permission to read this poem on our podcast.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines">Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes</a></li><li><a title="Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes">Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Social Poetics – Coffee House Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics">Social Poetics – Coffee House Press</a></li><li><a title="Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/">Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”</a></li><li><a title="Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/">Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 22: Two Poems of World War I</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke's "The Soldier" and Ivor Gurney's "To His Love." The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke&#39;s &quot;The Soldier&quot; and Ivor Gurney&#39;s &quot;To His Love.&quot; The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</p>

<p><strong>&quot;The Soldier&quot;</strong><br>
by Rupert Brooke</p>

<p>If I should die, think only this of me:<br>
      That there’s some corner of a foreign field<br>
That is for ever England. There shall be<br>
      In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;<br>
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,<br>
      Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;<br>
A body of England’s, breathing English air,<br>
      Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.</p>

<p>And think, this heart, all evil shed away,<br>
      A pulse in the eternal mind, no less<br>
            Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;<br>
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;<br>
      And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,<br>
            In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.</p>

<p><strong>To His Love</strong><br>
by Ivor Gurney</p>

<p>He&#39;s gone, and all our plans<br>
   Are useless indeed.<br>
We&#39;ll walk no more on Cotswold<br>
   Where the sheep feed<br>
   Quietly and take no heed.</p>

<p>His body that was so quick<br>
   Is not as you<br>
Knew it, on Severn river<br>
   Under the blue<br>
   Driving our small boat through.</p>

<p>You would not know him now ...<br>
   But still he died<br>
Nobly, so cover him over<br>
   With violets of pride<br>
   Purple from Severn side.</p>

<p>Cover him, cover him soon!<br>
   And with thick-set<br>
Masses of memoried flowers—<br>
   Hide that red wet<br>
   Thing I must somehow forget.</p>

<p>For more on Rupert Brooke, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Ivor Gurney, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>Gurney was also a prolific composer. For a sample of his music, see his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY" rel="nofollow">Goucestershire Rhapsody.</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke&#39;s &quot;The Soldier&quot; and Ivor Gurney&#39;s &quot;To His Love.&quot; The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</p>

<p><strong>&quot;The Soldier&quot;</strong><br>
by Rupert Brooke</p>

<p>If I should die, think only this of me:<br>
      That there’s some corner of a foreign field<br>
That is for ever England. There shall be<br>
      In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;<br>
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,<br>
      Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;<br>
A body of England’s, breathing English air,<br>
      Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.</p>

<p>And think, this heart, all evil shed away,<br>
      A pulse in the eternal mind, no less<br>
            Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;<br>
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;<br>
      And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,<br>
            In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.</p>

<p><strong>To His Love</strong><br>
by Ivor Gurney</p>

<p>He&#39;s gone, and all our plans<br>
   Are useless indeed.<br>
We&#39;ll walk no more on Cotswold<br>
   Where the sheep feed<br>
   Quietly and take no heed.</p>

<p>His body that was so quick<br>
   Is not as you<br>
Knew it, on Severn river<br>
   Under the blue<br>
   Driving our small boat through.</p>

<p>You would not know him now ...<br>
   But still he died<br>
Nobly, so cover him over<br>
   With violets of pride<br>
   Purple from Severn side.</p>

<p>Cover him, cover him soon!<br>
   And with thick-set<br>
Masses of memoried flowers—<br>
   Hide that red wet<br>
   Thing I must somehow forget.</p>

<p>For more on Rupert Brooke, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Ivor Gurney, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>Gurney was also a prolific composer. For a sample of his music, see his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY" rel="nofollow">Goucestershire Rhapsody.</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/13076/the-soldier">The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57246/to-his-love">To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY">Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/vincent-sherry">Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke">Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney">Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke&#39;s &quot;The Soldier&quot; and Ivor Gurney&#39;s &quot;To His Love.&quot; The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</p>

<p><strong>&quot;The Soldier&quot;</strong><br>
by Rupert Brooke</p>

<p>If I should die, think only this of me:<br>
      That there’s some corner of a foreign field<br>
That is for ever England. There shall be<br>
      In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;<br>
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,<br>
      Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;<br>
A body of England’s, breathing English air,<br>
      Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.</p>

<p>And think, this heart, all evil shed away,<br>
      A pulse in the eternal mind, no less<br>
            Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;<br>
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;<br>
      And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,<br>
            In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.</p>

<p><strong>To His Love</strong><br>
by Ivor Gurney</p>

<p>He&#39;s gone, and all our plans<br>
   Are useless indeed.<br>
We&#39;ll walk no more on Cotswold<br>
   Where the sheep feed<br>
   Quietly and take no heed.</p>

<p>His body that was so quick<br>
   Is not as you<br>
Knew it, on Severn river<br>
   Under the blue<br>
   Driving our small boat through.</p>

<p>You would not know him now ...<br>
   But still he died<br>
Nobly, so cover him over<br>
   With violets of pride<br>
   Purple from Severn side.</p>

<p>Cover him, cover him soon!<br>
   And with thick-set<br>
Masses of memoried flowers—<br>
   Hide that red wet<br>
   Thing I must somehow forget.</p>

<p>For more on Rupert Brooke, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Ivor Gurney, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>Gurney was also a prolific composer. For a sample of his music, see his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY" rel="nofollow">Goucestershire Rhapsody.</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/13076/the-soldier">The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57246/to-his-love">To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY">Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/vincent-sherry">Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke">Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney">Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 21: Christian Wiman, I Don't Want to Be a Spice Store</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2021 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we talk with Christian Wiman about the arc of a book of poetry, the structure of an individual poem, the desire for openness and accessibility, and the surprising shifts from levity to seriousness that take even the writer by surprise. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk with Christian Wiman about the arc of a book of poetry, the structure of an individual poem, the desire for openness and accessibility, and the surprising shifts from levity to seriousness that take even the writer by surprise. The episode considers how poets construct and organize their poems, and it also touches on differing approaches poets take across their career.</p>

<p>Christian Wiman is the Clement-Muehl Professor of Communication Arts at Yale Divinity School, the former editor of <em>Poetry</em> magazine, and the author, editor, and translator of multiple books. He has won countless awards for his poetry and also has extraordinary books of prose, including <em>My Bright Abyss</em> and <em>He Held Radical Light</em>. Today, we talk with him about his poem “I Don’t Want to be a Spice Store” from his latest book of poetry, <em>Survival is a Style</em>.</p>

<p>For more on Christian Wiman, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/christian-wiman" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>This poem comes from <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374272050" rel="nofollow">Survival is a Style</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk with Christian Wiman about the arc of a book of poetry, the structure of an individual poem, the desire for openness and accessibility, and the surprising shifts from levity to seriousness that take even the writer by surprise. The episode considers how poets construct and organize their poems, and it also touches on differing approaches poets take across their career.</p>

<p>Christian Wiman is the Clement-Muehl Professor of Communication Arts at Yale Divinity School, the former editor of <em>Poetry</em> magazine, and the author, editor, and translator of multiple books. He has won countless awards for his poetry and also has extraordinary books of prose, including <em>My Bright Abyss</em> and <em>He Held Radical Light</em>. Today, we talk with him about his poem “I Don’t Want to be a Spice Store” from his latest book of poetry, <em>Survival is a Style</em>.</p>

<p>For more on Christian Wiman, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/christian-wiman" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>This poem comes from <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374272050" rel="nofollow">Survival is a Style</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Survival Is a Style | Christian Wiman | Macmillan" rel="nofollow" href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374272050">Survival Is a Style | Christian Wiman | Macmillan</a></li><li><a title="Christian Wiman | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/christian-wiman">Christian Wiman | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we talk with Christian Wiman about the arc of a book of poetry, the structure of an individual poem, the desire for openness and accessibility, and the surprising shifts from levity to seriousness that take even the writer by surprise. The episode considers how poets construct and organize their poems, and it also touches on differing approaches poets take across their career.</p>

<p>Christian Wiman is the Clement-Muehl Professor of Communication Arts at Yale Divinity School, the former editor of <em>Poetry</em> magazine, and the author, editor, and translator of multiple books. He has won countless awards for his poetry and also has extraordinary books of prose, including <em>My Bright Abyss</em> and <em>He Held Radical Light</em>. Today, we talk with him about his poem “I Don’t Want to be a Spice Store” from his latest book of poetry, <em>Survival is a Style</em>.</p>

<p>For more on Christian Wiman, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/christian-wiman" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>This poem comes from <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374272050" rel="nofollow">Survival is a Style</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Survival Is a Style | Christian Wiman | Macmillan" rel="nofollow" href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374272050">Survival Is a Style | Christian Wiman | Macmillan</a></li><li><a title="Christian Wiman | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/christian-wiman">Christian Wiman | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 20: Hester Pulter, View But This Tulip</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Wendy Wall joins us to discuss an extraordinary poet whose works went unknown for over three hundred years. Hester Pulter brought together science, religion, poetic traditions and so much more. Her 120 remarkable poems are now available at the award-winning Pulter Project website.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Wendy Wall joins us to discuss an extraordinary poet whose works went unknown for over three hundred years. Hester Pulter brought together science, religion, poetic traditions and so much more. Her 120 remarkable poems are now available at the award-winning <a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/" rel="nofollow">Pulter Project</a> website.</p>

<p>In this episode we discuss her work with emblems, her scientific chemistry experiment with flowers, and her wonderment (both worried and confident, doubtful and awestruck) about the resurrection of the body and its reunification with the soul after death.</p>

<p>For a biography of Hester Pulter, see here: <br>
<a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/about-hester-pulter-and-the-manuscript.html" rel="nofollow">https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/about-hester-pulter-and-the-manuscript.html</a></p>

<p>For her poems, see the Pulter Project here:<br>
<a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/" rel="nofollow">https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/</a></p>

<p>Here is the text of today&#39;s poem:</p>

<p><strong>&quot;View But This Tulip&quot; (Emblem 40)</strong></p>

<p>View but this tulip, rose, or gillyflower,<br>
And by a finite, see an infinite power.<br>
These flowers into their chaos were retired<br>
Till human art them raised and reinspired<br>
With beating, macerating, fermentation,<br>
Calcining, chemically, with segregation;<br>
Then, lest the air these secrets should reveal,<br>
Shut up the ashes under Hermes’s seal;<br>
Then, with a candle or a gentle fire,<br>
You may reanimate at your desire<br>
These gallant plants; but if you cool the glass,<br>
To their first principles they’ll quickly pass:<br>
From sulfur, salt, and mercury they came;<br>
When they dissolve, they turn into the same.<br>
Then, seeing a wretched mortal hath the power<br>
To recreate a Virbius of a flower,<br>
Why should we fear, though sadly we retire<br>
Into our cause? Our God will reinspire<br>
Our dormant dust, and keep alive the same<br>
With an all-quick’ning, everlasting flame.<br>
Then, though I into atoms scattered be,<br>
In indivisibles I’ll trust in Thee.<br>
Then let this comfort me in my sad story:<br>
Dust is but four degrees removed from glory<br>
By Nature’s paths, but God from death and night<br>
Can raise this flesh to endless life and light.<br>
Then, my impatient soul, contented be,<br>
For thou a glorious spring ere long shalt see.<br>
After these gloomy shades of death and sorrow,<br>
Thou shalt enjoy an everlasting morrow.<br>
As wheat in new-plowed furrows rotting lies,<br>
Incapable of quick’ning till it dies,<br>
So into dust this flesh of mine must turn<br>
And lie a while forgotten in my urn.<br>
Yet when the sea, and earth, and Hell shall give<br>
Their treasures up, my body too shall live:<br>
Not like the resurrection at Grand Caire,<br>
Where men revive, then straight of life despair;<br>
But, with my soul, my flesh shall reunite<br>
And ne’er involvéd be with death and night,<br>
But live in endless pleasure, love, and light.<br>
Then hallelujahs will I sing to thee,<br>
My gracious God, to all eternity.<br>
Then at thy dissolution patient be:<br>
If man can raise a flower, God can thee.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Wendy Wall joins us to discuss an extraordinary poet whose works went unknown for over three hundred years. Hester Pulter brought together science, religion, poetic traditions and so much more. Her 120 remarkable poems are now available at the award-winning <a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/" rel="nofollow">Pulter Project</a> website.</p>

<p>In this episode we discuss her work with emblems, her scientific chemistry experiment with flowers, and her wonderment (both worried and confident, doubtful and awestruck) about the resurrection of the body and its reunification with the soul after death.</p>

<p>For a biography of Hester Pulter, see here: <br>
<a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/about-hester-pulter-and-the-manuscript.html" rel="nofollow">https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/about-hester-pulter-and-the-manuscript.html</a></p>

<p>For her poems, see the Pulter Project here:<br>
<a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/" rel="nofollow">https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/</a></p>

<p>Here is the text of today&#39;s poem:</p>

<p><strong>&quot;View But This Tulip&quot; (Emblem 40)</strong></p>

<p>View but this tulip, rose, or gillyflower,<br>
And by a finite, see an infinite power.<br>
These flowers into their chaos were retired<br>
Till human art them raised and reinspired<br>
With beating, macerating, fermentation,<br>
Calcining, chemically, with segregation;<br>
Then, lest the air these secrets should reveal,<br>
Shut up the ashes under Hermes’s seal;<br>
Then, with a candle or a gentle fire,<br>
You may reanimate at your desire<br>
These gallant plants; but if you cool the glass,<br>
To their first principles they’ll quickly pass:<br>
From sulfur, salt, and mercury they came;<br>
When they dissolve, they turn into the same.<br>
Then, seeing a wretched mortal hath the power<br>
To recreate a Virbius of a flower,<br>
Why should we fear, though sadly we retire<br>
Into our cause? Our God will reinspire<br>
Our dormant dust, and keep alive the same<br>
With an all-quick’ning, everlasting flame.<br>
Then, though I into atoms scattered be,<br>
In indivisibles I’ll trust in Thee.<br>
Then let this comfort me in my sad story:<br>
Dust is but four degrees removed from glory<br>
By Nature’s paths, but God from death and night<br>
Can raise this flesh to endless life and light.<br>
Then, my impatient soul, contented be,<br>
For thou a glorious spring ere long shalt see.<br>
After these gloomy shades of death and sorrow,<br>
Thou shalt enjoy an everlasting morrow.<br>
As wheat in new-plowed furrows rotting lies,<br>
Incapable of quick’ning till it dies,<br>
So into dust this flesh of mine must turn<br>
And lie a while forgotten in my urn.<br>
Yet when the sea, and earth, and Hell shall give<br>
Their treasures up, my body too shall live:<br>
Not like the resurrection at Grand Caire,<br>
Where men revive, then straight of life despair;<br>
But, with my soul, my flesh shall reunite<br>
And ne’er involvéd be with death and night,<br>
But live in endless pleasure, love, and light.<br>
Then hallelujahs will I sing to thee,<br>
My gracious God, to all eternity.<br>
Then at thy dissolution patient be:<br>
If man can raise a flower, God can thee.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Wendy Wall joins us to discuss an extraordinary poet whose works went unknown for over three hundred years. Hester Pulter brought together science, religion, poetic traditions and so much more. Her 120 remarkable poems are now available at the award-winning <a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/" rel="nofollow">Pulter Project</a> website.</p>

<p>In this episode we discuss her work with emblems, her scientific chemistry experiment with flowers, and her wonderment (both worried and confident, doubtful and awestruck) about the resurrection of the body and its reunification with the soul after death.</p>

<p>For a biography of Hester Pulter, see here: <br>
<a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/about-hester-pulter-and-the-manuscript.html" rel="nofollow">https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/about-hester-pulter-and-the-manuscript.html</a></p>

<p>For her poems, see the Pulter Project here:<br>
<a href="https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/" rel="nofollow">https://pulterproject.northwestern.edu/</a></p>

<p>Here is the text of today&#39;s poem:</p>

<p><strong>&quot;View But This Tulip&quot; (Emblem 40)</strong></p>

<p>View but this tulip, rose, or gillyflower,<br>
And by a finite, see an infinite power.<br>
These flowers into their chaos were retired<br>
Till human art them raised and reinspired<br>
With beating, macerating, fermentation,<br>
Calcining, chemically, with segregation;<br>
Then, lest the air these secrets should reveal,<br>
Shut up the ashes under Hermes’s seal;<br>
Then, with a candle or a gentle fire,<br>
You may reanimate at your desire<br>
These gallant plants; but if you cool the glass,<br>
To their first principles they’ll quickly pass:<br>
From sulfur, salt, and mercury they came;<br>
When they dissolve, they turn into the same.<br>
Then, seeing a wretched mortal hath the power<br>
To recreate a Virbius of a flower,<br>
Why should we fear, though sadly we retire<br>
Into our cause? Our God will reinspire<br>
Our dormant dust, and keep alive the same<br>
With an all-quick’ning, everlasting flame.<br>
Then, though I into atoms scattered be,<br>
In indivisibles I’ll trust in Thee.<br>
Then let this comfort me in my sad story:<br>
Dust is but four degrees removed from glory<br>
By Nature’s paths, but God from death and night<br>
Can raise this flesh to endless life and light.<br>
Then, my impatient soul, contented be,<br>
For thou a glorious spring ere long shalt see.<br>
After these gloomy shades of death and sorrow,<br>
Thou shalt enjoy an everlasting morrow.<br>
As wheat in new-plowed furrows rotting lies,<br>
Incapable of quick’ning till it dies,<br>
So into dust this flesh of mine must turn<br>
And lie a while forgotten in my urn.<br>
Yet when the sea, and earth, and Hell shall give<br>
Their treasures up, my body too shall live:<br>
Not like the resurrection at Grand Caire,<br>
Where men revive, then straight of life despair;<br>
But, with my soul, my flesh shall reunite<br>
And ne’er involvéd be with death and night,<br>
But live in endless pleasure, love, and light.<br>
Then hallelujahs will I sing to thee,<br>
My gracious God, to all eternity.<br>
Then at thy dissolution patient be:<br>
If man can raise a flower, God can thee.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 19: Naomi Shihab Nye, Gate A-4</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Remember airports? In this wonderful, narrative poem, Nye speaks of the remarkable capacity for community in a world of strangers.</itunes:subtitle>
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<p>In this poem, we explore what makes a poem &quot;poetry&quot; versus some other genre, and we consider what difference such designations make while walking through a longer, narrative poem.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see here: <a href="https://poets.org/poem/gate-4" rel="nofollow">https://poets.org/poem/gate-4</a></p>

<p>For more on Naomi Shihab Nye, see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/naomi-shihab-nye" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/naomi-shihab-nye</a></p>

<p>This poem comes from <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honeybee-Poems-Naomi-Shihab-Nye/dp/0060853905" rel="nofollow">Honeybee: Poems and Short Prose</a>.</p>

<p>The image has a creative commons license and can be <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Naomishihabnye.jpg" rel="nofollow">found here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Naomi Shihab Nye, a Palestinian-American poet born in St. Louis and raised in Jerusalem and San Antonio, focuses on the ordinary to observe the extraordinary. Her poetry often speaks of cultural encounters and celebrates different cultures. She is the recipient of many awards and is currently the Poetry Foundation&#39;s Young People&#39;s Poet Laureate. </p>

<p>In this poem, we explore what makes a poem &quot;poetry&quot; versus some other genre, and we consider what difference such designations make while walking through a longer, narrative poem.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see here: <a href="https://poets.org/poem/gate-4" rel="nofollow">https://poets.org/poem/gate-4</a></p>

<p>For more on Naomi Shihab Nye, see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/naomi-shihab-nye" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/naomi-shihab-nye</a></p>

<p>This poem comes from <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honeybee-Poems-Naomi-Shihab-Nye/dp/0060853905" rel="nofollow">Honeybee: Poems and Short Prose</a>.</p>

<p>The image has a creative commons license and can be <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Naomishihabnye.jpg" rel="nofollow">found here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Naomi Shihab Nye, a Palestinian-American poet born in St. Louis and raised in Jerusalem and San Antonio, focuses on the ordinary to observe the extraordinary. Her poetry often speaks of cultural encounters and celebrates different cultures. She is the recipient of many awards and is currently the Poetry Foundation&#39;s Young People&#39;s Poet Laureate. </p>

<p>In this poem, we explore what makes a poem &quot;poetry&quot; versus some other genre, and we consider what difference such designations make while walking through a longer, narrative poem.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see here: <a href="https://poets.org/poem/gate-4" rel="nofollow">https://poets.org/poem/gate-4</a></p>

<p>For more on Naomi Shihab Nye, see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/naomi-shihab-nye" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/naomi-shihab-nye</a></p>

<p>This poem comes from <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Honeybee-Poems-Naomi-Shihab-Nye/dp/0060853905" rel="nofollow">Honeybee: Poems and Short Prose</a>.</p>

<p>The image has a creative commons license and can be <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Naomishihabnye.jpg" rel="nofollow">found here</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 18: Jenny Johnson, Dappled Things</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Jenny Johnson is the author of In Full Velvet (Sarabande Books, 2017).  Her honors include a Whiting Award, a Hodder Fellowship at Princeton University, and a NEA Fellowship. She has also received awards and scholarships from the Blue Mountain Center, Bread Loaf Writer’s Conference, Virginia Center for the Creative Arts, and Yaddo. Her poems have appeared in The New York Times, New England Review, Troubling the Line: Trans and Genderqueer Poetry and Poetics, and elsewhere. After earning a BA/MT in English Education from the University of Virginia, she taught public school for several years in San Francisco, and she spent ten summers on the staff of the UVA Young Writer’s Workshop. She earned an MFA in Poetry from Warren Wilson College. She is an Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at West Virginia University, and she is on the faculty of the Rainier Writing Workshop, Pacific Lutheran University’s low-residency MFA program.</p>

<p>For more about Jenny, please visit her website: <a href="https://www.jennyjohnsonpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.jennyjohnsonpoet.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, gratitude, guest on the show, joy, lgbtqia month, nature poetry, thanksgiving, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Jenny Johnson is the author of In Full Velvet (Sarabande Books, 2017).  Her honors include a Whiting Award, a Hodder Fellowship at Princeton University, and a NEA Fellowship. She has also received awards and scholarships from the Blue Mountain Center, Bread Loaf Writer’s Conference, Virginia Center for the Creative Arts, and Yaddo. Her poems have appeared in The New York Times, New England Review, Troubling the Line: Trans and Genderqueer Poetry and Poetics, and elsewhere. After earning a BA/MT in English Education from the University of Virginia, she taught public school for several years in San Francisco, and she spent ten summers on the staff of the UVA Young Writer’s Workshop. She earned an MFA in Poetry from Warren Wilson College. She is an Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at West Virginia University, and she is on the faculty of the Rainier Writing Workshop, Pacific Lutheran University’s low-residency MFA program.</p>

<p>For more about Jenny, please visit her website: <a href="https://www.jennyjohnsonpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.jennyjohnsonpoet.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Jenny Johnson is the author of In Full Velvet (Sarabande Books, 2017).  Her honors include a Whiting Award, a Hodder Fellowship at Princeton University, and a NEA Fellowship. She has also received awards and scholarships from the Blue Mountain Center, Bread Loaf Writer’s Conference, Virginia Center for the Creative Arts, and Yaddo. Her poems have appeared in The New York Times, New England Review, Troubling the Line: Trans and Genderqueer Poetry and Poetics, and elsewhere. After earning a BA/MT in English Education from the University of Virginia, she taught public school for several years in San Francisco, and she spent ten summers on the staff of the UVA Young Writer’s Workshop. She earned an MFA in Poetry from Warren Wilson College. She is an Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at West Virginia University, and she is on the faculty of the Rainier Writing Workshop, Pacific Lutheran University’s low-residency MFA program.</p>

<p>For more about Jenny, please visit her website: <a href="https://www.jennyjohnsonpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.jennyjohnsonpoet.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 17: Gerard Manley Hopkins, Pied Beauty</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this extraordinary curtal sonnet (a shortened sonnet, curtailed), Hopkins packs immense power. He uses the shortened form to heighten the emotion, drawing himself up short in the end with nothing else that can be said other than "Praise him." This week, we walk through these short lines and unfold some of the ways that Hopkins works. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>14:35</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Pied Beauty</strong></p>

<p>Glory be to God for dappled things –<br>
   For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow;<br>
      For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;<br>
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches’ wings;<br>
   Landscape plotted and pieced – fold, fallow, and plough;<br>
      And áll trádes, their gear and tackle and trim.</p>

<p>All things counter, original, spare, strange;<br>
   Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?)<br>
      With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim;<br>
He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change:<br>
                                Praise him.</p>

<p>In this extraordinary curtal sonnet (a shortened sonnet, curtailed), Hopkins packs immense power. He uses the shortened form to heighten the emotion, drawing himself up short in the end with nothing else that can be said other than &quot;Praise him.&quot; This week, we walk through these short lines and unfold some of the ways that Hopkins works. </p>

<p>Hopkins was an immensely influential poet of the Victorian era (late 1800s) whose work was not published or encountered until 1918 in the modernist era. He was a reclusive, Jesuit priest who struggled with depression, but who could also be given over to incredible acts of wonder and praise (as in this poem). He stands outside his  time, and has been read and loved by poets of all different persuasions throughout the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.</p>

<p>For more informaiton on Hopkins, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/gerard-manley-hopkins" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>19th century, alliterative verse, gratitude, joy, nature poetry, rhymed verse, sonnet, thanksgiving, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Pied Beauty</strong></p>

<p>Glory be to God for dappled things –<br>
   For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow;<br>
      For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;<br>
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches’ wings;<br>
   Landscape plotted and pieced – fold, fallow, and plough;<br>
      And áll trádes, their gear and tackle and trim.</p>

<p>All things counter, original, spare, strange;<br>
   Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?)<br>
      With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim;<br>
He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change:<br>
                                Praise him.</p>

<p>In this extraordinary curtal sonnet (a shortened sonnet, curtailed), Hopkins packs immense power. He uses the shortened form to heighten the emotion, drawing himself up short in the end with nothing else that can be said other than &quot;Praise him.&quot; This week, we walk through these short lines and unfold some of the ways that Hopkins works. </p>

<p>Hopkins was an immensely influential poet of the Victorian era (late 1800s) whose work was not published or encountered until 1918 in the modernist era. He was a reclusive, Jesuit priest who struggled with depression, but who could also be given over to incredible acts of wonder and praise (as in this poem). He stands outside his  time, and has been read and loved by poets of all different persuasions throughout the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.</p>

<p>For more informaiton on Hopkins, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/gerard-manley-hopkins" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Pied Beauty</strong></p>

<p>Glory be to God for dappled things –<br>
   For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow;<br>
      For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;<br>
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches’ wings;<br>
   Landscape plotted and pieced – fold, fallow, and plough;<br>
      And áll trádes, their gear and tackle and trim.</p>

<p>All things counter, original, spare, strange;<br>
   Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?)<br>
      With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim;<br>
He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change:<br>
                                Praise him.</p>

<p>In this extraordinary curtal sonnet (a shortened sonnet, curtailed), Hopkins packs immense power. He uses the shortened form to heighten the emotion, drawing himself up short in the end with nothing else that can be said other than &quot;Praise him.&quot; This week, we walk through these short lines and unfold some of the ways that Hopkins works. </p>

<p>Hopkins was an immensely influential poet of the Victorian era (late 1800s) whose work was not published or encountered until 1918 in the modernist era. He was a reclusive, Jesuit priest who struggled with depression, but who could also be given over to incredible acts of wonder and praise (as in this poem). He stands outside his  time, and has been read and loved by poets of all different persuasions throughout the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.</p>

<p>For more informaiton on Hopkins, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/gerard-manley-hopkins" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 16: John Milton, When I Consider How My Light is Spent</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>The episode explores Milton's great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>15:57</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>17th century, aging, anger, body in pain, christianity, grief and loss, hope, rhymed verse, sonnet, surprise</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 15: Amanda Gorman, Chorus of the Captains</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Amanda Gorman became the first poet ever to perform at the Super Bowl on February 7, 2021. In this episode we talk about poetry for the masses, mass media, genres of poetry, spoken word, the visual and the verbal, and the mix of ancient methods with emergent forms.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>17:56</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amanda Gorman became the first poet ever to perform at the Super Bowl on February 7, 2021. In this episode we talk about poetry for the masses, mass media, genres of poetry, spoken word, the visual and the verbal, and the mix of ancient methods with emergent forms.</p>

<p>See her poem here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejbSCjg2qo" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejbSCjg2qo</a></p>

<p>See this great article by Virginia Jackson and Meredith Martin about Amanda Gorman&#39;s Inauguration Poem at Avidly:<br>
<a href="http://avidly.lareviewofbooks.org/2021/01/29/the-poetry-of-the-future/" rel="nofollow">The Poetry of the Future</a></p>

<p>For more on Amanda Gorman, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amanda-gorman" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amanda-gorman</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, alliterative verse, black history month, free verse, gratitude, narrative, social justice and advocacy</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amanda Gorman became the first poet ever to perform at the Super Bowl on February 7, 2021. In this episode we talk about poetry for the masses, mass media, genres of poetry, spoken word, the visual and the verbal, and the mix of ancient methods with emergent forms.</p>

<p>See her poem here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejbSCjg2qo" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejbSCjg2qo</a></p>

<p>See this great article by Virginia Jackson and Meredith Martin about Amanda Gorman&#39;s Inauguration Poem at Avidly:<br>
<a href="http://avidly.lareviewofbooks.org/2021/01/29/the-poetry-of-the-future/" rel="nofollow">The Poetry of the Future</a></p>

<p>For more on Amanda Gorman, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amanda-gorman" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amanda-gorman</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Amanda Gorman became the first poet ever to perform at the Super Bowl on February 7, 2021. In this episode we talk about poetry for the masses, mass media, genres of poetry, spoken word, the visual and the verbal, and the mix of ancient methods with emergent forms.</p>

<p>See her poem here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejbSCjg2qo" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ejbSCjg2qo</a></p>

<p>See this great article by Virginia Jackson and Meredith Martin about Amanda Gorman&#39;s Inauguration Poem at Avidly:<br>
<a href="http://avidly.lareviewofbooks.org/2021/01/29/the-poetry-of-the-future/" rel="nofollow">The Poetry of the Future</a></p>

<p>For more on Amanda Gorman, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amanda-gorman" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/amanda-gorman</a></p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 14: George Herbert, The Collar</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we look at "The Collar"--a famous single-stanza poem, playing with meter, rhythm, and rhyme by the seventeenth-century priest and poet, George Herbert.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>18:24</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at &quot;The Collar&quot;--a famous single-stanza poem, playing with meter, rhythm, and rhyme by the seventeenth-century priest and poet, George Herbert.</p>

<p>Here is the poem in full:</p>

<p>THE COLLAR</p>

<p>I struck the board, and cried, &quot;No more;<br>
                         I will abroad!<br>
What? shall I ever sigh and pine?<br>
My lines and life are free, free as the road,<br>
Loose as the wind, as large as store.<br>
          Shall I be still in suit?<br>
Have I no harvest but a thorn<br>
To let me blood, and not restore<br>
What I have lost with cordial fruit?<br>
          Sure there was wine<br>
Before my sighs did dry it; there was corn<br>
    Before my tears did drown it.<br>
      Is the year only lost to me?<br>
          Have I no bays to crown it,<br>
No flowers, no garlands gay? All blasted?<br>
                  All wasted?<br>
Not so, my heart; but there is fruit,<br>
            And thou hast hands.<br>
Recover all thy sigh-blown age<br>
On double pleasures: leave thy cold dispute<br>
Of what is fit and not. Forsake thy cage,<br>
             Thy rope of sands,<br>
Which petty thoughts have made, and made to thee<br>
Good cable, to enforce and draw,<br>
          And be thy law,<br>
While thou didst wink and wouldst not see.<br>
          Away! take heed;<br>
          I will abroad.<br>
Call in thy death&#39;s-head there; tie up thy fears;<br>
          He that forbears<br>
         To suit and serve his need<br>
          Deserves his load.&quot;<br>
But as I raved and grew more fierce and wild<br>
          At every word,<br>
Methought I heard one calling, Child!<br>
          And I replied My Lord.</p>

<p>For more on George Herbert, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/george-herbert" rel="nofollow">the poetry foundation</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at &quot;The Collar&quot;--a famous single-stanza poem, playing with meter, rhythm, and rhyme by the seventeenth-century priest and poet, George Herbert.</p>

<p>Here is the poem in full:</p>

<p>THE COLLAR</p>

<p>I struck the board, and cried, &quot;No more;<br>
                         I will abroad!<br>
What? shall I ever sigh and pine?<br>
My lines and life are free, free as the road,<br>
Loose as the wind, as large as store.<br>
          Shall I be still in suit?<br>
Have I no harvest but a thorn<br>
To let me blood, and not restore<br>
What I have lost with cordial fruit?<br>
          Sure there was wine<br>
Before my sighs did dry it; there was corn<br>
    Before my tears did drown it.<br>
      Is the year only lost to me?<br>
          Have I no bays to crown it,<br>
No flowers, no garlands gay? All blasted?<br>
                  All wasted?<br>
Not so, my heart; but there is fruit,<br>
            And thou hast hands.<br>
Recover all thy sigh-blown age<br>
On double pleasures: leave thy cold dispute<br>
Of what is fit and not. Forsake thy cage,<br>
             Thy rope of sands,<br>
Which petty thoughts have made, and made to thee<br>
Good cable, to enforce and draw,<br>
          And be thy law,<br>
While thou didst wink and wouldst not see.<br>
          Away! take heed;<br>
          I will abroad.<br>
Call in thy death&#39;s-head there; tie up thy fears;<br>
          He that forbears<br>
         To suit and serve his need<br>
          Deserves his load.&quot;<br>
But as I raved and grew more fierce and wild<br>
          At every word,<br>
Methought I heard one calling, Child!<br>
          And I replied My Lord.</p>

<p>For more on George Herbert, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/george-herbert" rel="nofollow">the poetry foundation</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at &quot;The Collar&quot;--a famous single-stanza poem, playing with meter, rhythm, and rhyme by the seventeenth-century priest and poet, George Herbert.</p>

<p>Here is the poem in full:</p>

<p>THE COLLAR</p>

<p>I struck the board, and cried, &quot;No more;<br>
                         I will abroad!<br>
What? shall I ever sigh and pine?<br>
My lines and life are free, free as the road,<br>
Loose as the wind, as large as store.<br>
          Shall I be still in suit?<br>
Have I no harvest but a thorn<br>
To let me blood, and not restore<br>
What I have lost with cordial fruit?<br>
          Sure there was wine<br>
Before my sighs did dry it; there was corn<br>
    Before my tears did drown it.<br>
      Is the year only lost to me?<br>
          Have I no bays to crown it,<br>
No flowers, no garlands gay? All blasted?<br>
                  All wasted?<br>
Not so, my heart; but there is fruit,<br>
            And thou hast hands.<br>
Recover all thy sigh-blown age<br>
On double pleasures: leave thy cold dispute<br>
Of what is fit and not. Forsake thy cage,<br>
             Thy rope of sands,<br>
Which petty thoughts have made, and made to thee<br>
Good cable, to enforce and draw,<br>
          And be thy law,<br>
While thou didst wink and wouldst not see.<br>
          Away! take heed;<br>
          I will abroad.<br>
Call in thy death&#39;s-head there; tie up thy fears;<br>
          He that forbears<br>
         To suit and serve his need<br>
          Deserves his load.&quot;<br>
But as I raved and grew more fierce and wild<br>
          At every word,<br>
Methought I heard one calling, Child!<br>
          And I replied My Lord.</p>

<p>For more on George Herbert, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/george-herbert" rel="nofollow">the poetry foundation</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 13: Amanda Gorman, The Hill We Climb</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss Amanda Gorman's "The Hill We Climb," the poem that she recited at the inauguration of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. We discuss how well suited the poem is to its occasion, Gorman's powerful use of sound, and the conversation that she engages in--with John Winthrop, the Constitution, the Bible, George Washington, Maya Angelou, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Like everyone else in America, we are in love with this poem and hope you enjoy the discussion. 

For the full text of "The Hill We Climb," please see this page: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/20/politics/amanda-gorman-inaugural-poem-transcript/index.html

For more on Amanda Gorman, please see personal website: https://www.theamandagorman.com/</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Amanda Gorman&#39;s &quot;The Hill We Climb,&quot; the poem that she recited at the inauguration of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. We discuss how well suited the poem is to its occasion, Gorman&#39;s powerful use of sound, and the conversation that she engages in--with John Winthrop, the Constitution, the Bible, George Washington, Maya Angelou, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Like everyone else in America, we are in love with this poem and hope you enjoy the discussion. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>21st century, black history month, free verse, hope, social justice and advocacy</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Amanda Gorman&#39;s &quot;The Hill We Climb,&quot; the poem that she recited at the inauguration of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. We discuss how well suited the poem is to its occasion, Gorman&#39;s powerful use of sound, and the conversation that she engages in--with John Winthrop, the Constitution, the Bible, George Washington, Maya Angelou, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Like everyone else in America, we are in love with this poem and hope you enjoy the discussion. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Amanda Gorman&#39;s &quot;The Hill We Climb,&quot; the poem that she recited at the inauguration of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. We discuss how well suited the poem is to its occasion, Gorman&#39;s powerful use of sound, and the conversation that she engages in--with John Winthrop, the Constitution, the Bible, George Washington, Maya Angelou, and Lin-Manuel Miranda. Like everyone else in America, we are in love with this poem and hope you enjoy the discussion. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 12: James Merrill, Christmas Tree</title>
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      <itunes:duration>21:37</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, advent/christmas, aging, body in pain, elegy, friendship, grief and loss, guest on the show, intimacy, lgbtqia month, love, science and medicine, visual poetry</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 11: Alberto Ríos, When Giving Is All We Have</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem about giving by Alberto Ríos, the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we think with the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona, Alberto Ríos, about the meaning of giving. Why do we give? What is giving? And what are its consequences? Ríos wrote this poem for a broad audience and has shared it with many different groups. It is, on the one hand, a very simple and accessible poem, easy to understand. And it is also, on the other hand, filled with rich layers, structures, images, and contexts. We explore here how simplicity and complexity work together.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, <a href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Alberto Ríos, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem in this episode. You can find &quot;When Giving Is All We Have&quot; in <em>A Small Story about the Sky</em>: <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/" rel="nofollow">https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we think with the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona, Alberto Ríos, about the meaning of giving. Why do we give? What is giving? And what are its consequences? Ríos wrote this poem for a broad audience and has shared it with many different groups. It is, on the one hand, a very simple and accessible poem, easy to understand. And it is also, on the other hand, filled with rich layers, structures, images, and contexts. We explore here how simplicity and complexity work together.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, <a href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Alberto Ríos, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem in this episode. You can find &quot;When Giving Is All We Have&quot; in <em>A Small Story about the Sky</em>: <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/" rel="nofollow">https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have">When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org</a> &mdash; inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona</li><li><a title="Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios">Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we think with the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona, Alberto Ríos, about the meaning of giving. Why do we give? What is giving? And what are its consequences? Ríos wrote this poem for a broad audience and has shared it with many different groups. It is, on the one hand, a very simple and accessible poem, easy to understand. And it is also, on the other hand, filled with rich layers, structures, images, and contexts. We explore here how simplicity and complexity work together.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, <a href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Alberto Ríos, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem in this episode. You can find &quot;When Giving Is All We Have&quot; in <em>A Small Story about the Sky</em>: <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/" rel="nofollow">https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have">When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org</a> &mdash; inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona</li><li><a title="Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios">Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 10: Mary Jo Bang, The Head of a Dancer</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week Mary Jo Bang joins us! We learn about the Bauhaus movement and a photographer named Lucia Moholy. And we look at both ekphrastic poetry (poetry about an image) and prose poetry (poetry with no line breaks).</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week Mary Jo Bang joins us! We learn about the Bauhaus movement and an influential photographer named Lucia Moholy, whose works were largely stolen during her lifetime. Mary Jo Bang&#39;s collection, <em>A Doll for Throwing</em> uses ekphrastic prose poetry throughout to delve into the riches of the Bauhaus movement which flourished in Germany between the world wars and had longlasting consequences for modern art. With Mary Jo Bang&#39;s poem this week, we explore both ekphrasis (poetry about an image) and prose poetry (poetry with no line breaks).</p>

<p>For the full text of the &quot;Head of the Dancer,&quot; please <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/the-head-of-a-dancer" rel="nofollow">see here</a>. </p>

<p>For the image by Lotte Jacobi about which this poem is written, <a href="https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/12067/" rel="nofollow">please see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Lucia Moholy, <a href="https://www.moma.org/artists/6922" rel="nofollow">please see the MoMA here.</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Mary Jo Bang, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-jo-bang" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week Mary Jo Bang joins us! We learn about the Bauhaus movement and an influential photographer named Lucia Moholy, whose works were largely stolen during her lifetime. Mary Jo Bang&#39;s collection, <em>A Doll for Throwing</em> uses ekphrastic prose poetry throughout to delve into the riches of the Bauhaus movement which flourished in Germany between the world wars and had longlasting consequences for modern art. With Mary Jo Bang&#39;s poem this week, we explore both ekphrasis (poetry about an image) and prose poetry (poetry with no line breaks).</p>

<p>For the full text of the &quot;Head of the Dancer,&quot; please <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/the-head-of-a-dancer" rel="nofollow">see here</a>. </p>

<p>For the image by Lotte Jacobi about which this poem is written, <a href="https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/12067/" rel="nofollow">please see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Lucia Moholy, <a href="https://www.moma.org/artists/6922" rel="nofollow">please see the MoMA here.</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Mary Jo Bang, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-jo-bang" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Head of a Dancer | The New Yorker" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/the-head-of-a-dancer">The Head of a Dancer | The New Yorker</a></li><li><a title="Head of a Dancer, Berlin | Saint Louis Art Museum" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/12067/">Head of a Dancer, Berlin | Saint Louis Art Museum</a></li><li><a title="Lucia Moholy | MoMA" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.moma.org/artists/6922">Lucia Moholy | MoMA</a></li><li><a title="Mary Jo Bang | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-jo-bang">Mary Jo Bang | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="A Doll for Throwing | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/doll-throwing">A Doll for Throwing | Graywolf Press</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week Mary Jo Bang joins us! We learn about the Bauhaus movement and an influential photographer named Lucia Moholy, whose works were largely stolen during her lifetime. Mary Jo Bang&#39;s collection, <em>A Doll for Throwing</em> uses ekphrastic prose poetry throughout to delve into the riches of the Bauhaus movement which flourished in Germany between the world wars and had longlasting consequences for modern art. With Mary Jo Bang&#39;s poem this week, we explore both ekphrasis (poetry about an image) and prose poetry (poetry with no line breaks).</p>

<p>For the full text of the &quot;Head of the Dancer,&quot; please <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/the-head-of-a-dancer" rel="nofollow">see here</a>. </p>

<p>For the image by Lotte Jacobi about which this poem is written, <a href="https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/12067/" rel="nofollow">please see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Lucia Moholy, <a href="https://www.moma.org/artists/6922" rel="nofollow">please see the MoMA here.</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Mary Jo Bang, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-jo-bang" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Head of a Dancer | The New Yorker" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/the-head-of-a-dancer">The Head of a Dancer | The New Yorker</a></li><li><a title="Head of a Dancer, Berlin | Saint Louis Art Museum" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.slam.org/collection/objects/12067/">Head of a Dancer, Berlin | Saint Louis Art Museum</a></li><li><a title="Lucia Moholy | MoMA" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.moma.org/artists/6922">Lucia Moholy | MoMA</a></li><li><a title="Mary Jo Bang | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/mary-jo-bang">Mary Jo Bang | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="A Doll for Throwing | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/doll-throwing">A Doll for Throwing | Graywolf Press</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 9: Anne Bradstreet, In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week we read Anne Bradstreet's elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we read Anne Bradstreet&#39;s elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</p>

<p>&quot;In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet, Who Deceased August, 1665 Being a Year and a Half Old&quot;</p>

<p>Farewell dear babe, my heart&#39;s too much content,<br>
Farewell sweet babe, the pleasure of mine eye,<br>
Farewell fair flower that for a space was lent,<br>
Then ta&#39;en away unto eternity.<br>
Blest babe why should I once bewail thy fate,<br>
Or sigh the days so soon were terminate;<br>
Sith thou art settled in an everlasting state.</p>

<p>By nature trees do rot when they are grown.<br>
And plums and apples thoroughly ripe do fall,<br>
And corn and grass are in their season mown,<br>
And time brings down what is both strong and tall.<br>
But plants new set to be eradicate,<br>
And buds new blown, to have so short a date,<br>
Is by His hand alone that guides nature and fate.</p>

<p>For more on Anne Bradstreet, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s art, please see this short piece by <a href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">Kevin Prufer</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s publication of The Tenth Muse (the first published book by a woman from British North America) and her ambitions as a poet, see this piece by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/" rel="nofollow">Charlotte Gordon</a>.</p>

<p>For an understanding of Puritan spirituality, please see this short review essay by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/" rel="nofollow">Abram Van Engen</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we read Anne Bradstreet&#39;s elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</p>

<p>&quot;In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet, Who Deceased August, 1665 Being a Year and a Half Old&quot;</p>

<p>Farewell dear babe, my heart&#39;s too much content,<br>
Farewell sweet babe, the pleasure of mine eye,<br>
Farewell fair flower that for a space was lent,<br>
Then ta&#39;en away unto eternity.<br>
Blest babe why should I once bewail thy fate,<br>
Or sigh the days so soon were terminate;<br>
Sith thou art settled in an everlasting state.</p>

<p>By nature trees do rot when they are grown.<br>
And plums and apples thoroughly ripe do fall,<br>
And corn and grass are in their season mown,<br>
And time brings down what is both strong and tall.<br>
But plants new set to be eradicate,<br>
And buds new blown, to have so short a date,<br>
Is by His hand alone that guides nature and fate.</p>

<p>For more on Anne Bradstreet, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s art, please see this short piece by <a href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">Kevin Prufer</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s publication of The Tenth Muse (the first published book by a woman from British North America) and her ambitions as a poet, see this piece by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/" rel="nofollow">Charlotte Gordon</a>.</p>

<p>For an understanding of Puritan spirituality, please see this short review essay by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/" rel="nofollow">Abram Van Engen</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet">Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="On Anne Bradstreet" rel="nofollow" href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet">On Anne Bradstreet</a></li><li><a title="Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/">Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li><li><a title="The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/">The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we read Anne Bradstreet&#39;s elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</p>

<p>&quot;In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet, Who Deceased August, 1665 Being a Year and a Half Old&quot;</p>

<p>Farewell dear babe, my heart&#39;s too much content,<br>
Farewell sweet babe, the pleasure of mine eye,<br>
Farewell fair flower that for a space was lent,<br>
Then ta&#39;en away unto eternity.<br>
Blest babe why should I once bewail thy fate,<br>
Or sigh the days so soon were terminate;<br>
Sith thou art settled in an everlasting state.</p>

<p>By nature trees do rot when they are grown.<br>
And plums and apples thoroughly ripe do fall,<br>
And corn and grass are in their season mown,<br>
And time brings down what is both strong and tall.<br>
But plants new set to be eradicate,<br>
And buds new blown, to have so short a date,<br>
Is by His hand alone that guides nature and fate.</p>

<p>For more on Anne Bradstreet, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s art, please see this short piece by <a href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">Kevin Prufer</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s publication of The Tenth Muse (the first published book by a woman from British North America) and her ambitions as a poet, see this piece by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/" rel="nofollow">Charlotte Gordon</a>.</p>

<p>For an understanding of Puritan spirituality, please see this short review essay by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/" rel="nofollow">Abram Van Engen</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet">Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="On Anne Bradstreet" rel="nofollow" href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet">On Anne Bradstreet</a></li><li><a title="Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/">Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li><li><a title="The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/">The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 8: Toi Derricotte, "The Minks"</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week, with special guest Carl Phillips, we take a close look at "The Minks" and consider the art of narrative poetry and the movements of a single-stanza poem.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Carl Phillips joins us this week to take a close look at Toi Derricotte&#39;s &quot;The Minks.&quot; Together we consider the art of narrative poetry, the movements of a single-stanza poem, and the meaning of line breaks.</p>

<p>Toi Derricotte is the author of five books of poetry and a collection of prose called The Black Notebooks. She has won numerous awards and fellowhips, including the Lucille Medwick Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America, the Distinguished Pioneering of the Arts Award from the United Black Artists, the Paterson Award for Sustained Literary Achievement, the PEN/Voelcker Award, and two Pushcart Prizes. With Cornelius Eady she co-founded Cave Canem in 1996, an organization committed to furthering the artistic and professional opportunities for African American poets. &quot;The Minks&quot; comes from her 1990 book Captivity, which explores the legacies of slavery and its impact on African American families in the present day. It is included in I: New and Selected Poems published by the University of Pittsburgh Press, which granted us permission to read it for this podcast.</p>

<p>Carl Phillips, our guest for this episode, is also an award-winning poet of multiple collections, most recently Pale Colors in a Tall Field (2020). He has had three books nominated for a National Book Award and has won the Samuel French Morse Poetry Prize, the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry, a Pushcart Prize, the Kingsley Tuft Poetry Award, and numerous fellowships and other awards. Thank you to Carl for joining us today as our first guest!</p>

<p>For more on Toi Derricotte, please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte</a></p>

<p>For more on Carl Phillips, please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips</a></p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;The Minks,&quot; please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Carl Phillips joins us this week to take a close look at Toi Derricotte&#39;s &quot;The Minks.&quot; Together we consider the art of narrative poetry, the movements of a single-stanza poem, and the meaning of line breaks.</p>

<p>Toi Derricotte is the author of five books of poetry and a collection of prose called The Black Notebooks. She has won numerous awards and fellowhips, including the Lucille Medwick Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America, the Distinguished Pioneering of the Arts Award from the United Black Artists, the Paterson Award for Sustained Literary Achievement, the PEN/Voelcker Award, and two Pushcart Prizes. With Cornelius Eady she co-founded Cave Canem in 1996, an organization committed to furthering the artistic and professional opportunities for African American poets. &quot;The Minks&quot; comes from her 1990 book Captivity, which explores the legacies of slavery and its impact on African American families in the present day. It is included in I: New and Selected Poems published by the University of Pittsburgh Press, which granted us permission to read it for this podcast.</p>

<p>Carl Phillips, our guest for this episode, is also an award-winning poet of multiple collections, most recently Pale Colors in a Tall Field (2020). He has had three books nominated for a National Book Award and has won the Samuel French Morse Poetry Prize, the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry, a Pushcart Prize, the Kingsley Tuft Poetry Award, and numerous fellowships and other awards. Thank you to Carl for joining us today as our first guest!</p>

<p>For more on Toi Derricotte, please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte</a></p>

<p>For more on Carl Phillips, please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips</a></p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;The Minks,&quot; please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Minks by Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks">The Minks by Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte">Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="I - University of Pittsburgh Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822945666/">I - University of Pittsburgh Press</a></li><li><a title="Carl Phillips | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips">Carl Phillips | Poetry Foundation</a> &mdash; the Kingsley Tuft Poetry Award</li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Carl Phillips joins us this week to take a close look at Toi Derricotte&#39;s &quot;The Minks.&quot; Together we consider the art of narrative poetry, the movements of a single-stanza poem, and the meaning of line breaks.</p>

<p>Toi Derricotte is the author of five books of poetry and a collection of prose called The Black Notebooks. She has won numerous awards and fellowhips, including the Lucille Medwick Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America, the Distinguished Pioneering of the Arts Award from the United Black Artists, the Paterson Award for Sustained Literary Achievement, the PEN/Voelcker Award, and two Pushcart Prizes. With Cornelius Eady she co-founded Cave Canem in 1996, an organization committed to furthering the artistic and professional opportunities for African American poets. &quot;The Minks&quot; comes from her 1990 book Captivity, which explores the legacies of slavery and its impact on African American families in the present day. It is included in I: New and Selected Poems published by the University of Pittsburgh Press, which granted us permission to read it for this podcast.</p>

<p>Carl Phillips, our guest for this episode, is also an award-winning poet of multiple collections, most recently Pale Colors in a Tall Field (2020). He has had three books nominated for a National Book Award and has won the Samuel French Morse Poetry Prize, the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry, a Pushcart Prize, the Kingsley Tuft Poetry Award, and numerous fellowships and other awards. Thank you to Carl for joining us today as our first guest!</p>

<p>For more on Toi Derricotte, please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte</a></p>

<p>For more on Carl Phillips, please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips</a></p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;The Minks,&quot; please see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Minks by Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42872/the-minks">The Minks by Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/toi-derricotte">Toi Derricotte | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="I - University of Pittsburgh Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822945666/">I - University of Pittsburgh Press</a></li><li><a title="Carl Phillips | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/carl-phillips">Carl Phillips | Poetry Foundation</a> &mdash; the Kingsley Tuft Poetry Award</li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 7: John Donne, Holy Sonnet 14</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This week we look at one of John Donne's Holy Sonnets from the seventeenth century. This famous poem (#14, "Batter my heart") turns a poetic tradition of love and longing to religious ends, earnestly seeking God and questioning whether union with God will ever be achieved.</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we look at one of John Donne&#39;s Holy Sonnets from the seventeenth century. This famous poem (#14, &quot;Batter my heart&quot;) turns a poetic tradition of love and longing to religious ends, earnestly seeking God and questioning whether union with God will ever be achieved.</p>

<p>John Donne was an influential metaphysical poet who enjoyed wide fame in his own day, then went largely unread for two centuries, and then, saw his reputation radically revived in the early twentieth century. He was born into a Catholic family, converted to Anglicanism, and became a minister. Along the way, he wrote both &quot;secular&quot; erotic love poems and &quot;religious&quot; poems of many forms. This poem is one of the nineteen &quot;Holy Sonnets&quot; he wrote.</p>

<p>For a sequence on sonnets, this episode caps a mini-sequence in Poetry For All, which included a sonnet of Shakespeare&#39;s (episode 4), a reconception of the sonnet tradition by the Harlem Renaissance poet Claude McKay (episode 5), a set of erasure poems drawn from Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets by Jen Bervin (episode 6), and a return to the seventeenth-century sonnet tradition with John Donne (episode 7).</p>

<p>For more on John Donne, please see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we look at one of John Donne&#39;s Holy Sonnets from the seventeenth century. This famous poem (#14, &quot;Batter my heart&quot;) turns a poetic tradition of love and longing to religious ends, earnestly seeking God and questioning whether union with God will ever be achieved.</p>

<p>John Donne was an influential metaphysical poet who enjoyed wide fame in his own day, then went largely unread for two centuries, and then, saw his reputation radically revived in the early twentieth century. He was born into a Catholic family, converted to Anglicanism, and became a minister. Along the way, he wrote both &quot;secular&quot; erotic love poems and &quot;religious&quot; poems of many forms. This poem is one of the nineteen &quot;Holy Sonnets&quot; he wrote.</p>

<p>For a sequence on sonnets, this episode caps a mini-sequence in Poetry For All, which included a sonnet of Shakespeare&#39;s (episode 4), a reconception of the sonnet tradition by the Harlem Renaissance poet Claude McKay (episode 5), a set of erasure poems drawn from Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets by Jen Bervin (episode 6), and a return to the seventeenth-century sonnet tradition with John Donne (episode 7).</p>

<p>For more on John Donne, please see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="John Donne | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne">John Donne | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Holy Sonnets: Batter my heart, three-person&#39;d God… | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44106/holy-sonnets-batter-my-heart-three-persond-god">Holy Sonnets: Batter my heart, three-person'd God… | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>This week we look at one of John Donne&#39;s Holy Sonnets from the seventeenth century. This famous poem (#14, &quot;Batter my heart&quot;) turns a poetic tradition of love and longing to religious ends, earnestly seeking God and questioning whether union with God will ever be achieved.</p>

<p>John Donne was an influential metaphysical poet who enjoyed wide fame in his own day, then went largely unread for two centuries, and then, saw his reputation radically revived in the early twentieth century. He was born into a Catholic family, converted to Anglicanism, and became a minister. Along the way, he wrote both &quot;secular&quot; erotic love poems and &quot;religious&quot; poems of many forms. This poem is one of the nineteen &quot;Holy Sonnets&quot; he wrote.</p>

<p>For a sequence on sonnets, this episode caps a mini-sequence in Poetry For All, which included a sonnet of Shakespeare&#39;s (episode 4), a reconception of the sonnet tradition by the Harlem Renaissance poet Claude McKay (episode 5), a set of erasure poems drawn from Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets by Jen Bervin (episode 6), and a return to the seventeenth-century sonnet tradition with John Donne (episode 7).</p>

<p>For more on John Donne, please see the Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="John Donne | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-donne">John Donne | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Holy Sonnets: Batter my heart, three-person&#39;d God… | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44106/holy-sonnets-batter-my-heart-three-persond-god">Holy Sonnets: Batter my heart, three-person'd God… | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 6: Jen Bervin, Nets</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin's incredible book NETS, created from the sonnets of Shakespeare. </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin&#39;s incredible book NETS, composed of erasure poems created from the sonnets of Shakespeare.  The erasures are extraordinary--short and moving--and you&#39;ll never see Shakespeare the same way again. We also discuss poetic traditions, and the idea of writing into and over top of what has come before.</p>

<p>For an important essay on the political implications of erasure poetry, please see &quot;<a href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure</a>&quot; by Solmaz Sharif.</p>

<p>For more on Jen Bervin, please visit her website: <a href="http://jenbervin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jenbervin.com/</a></p>

<p>Special thanks this week to Ugly Duckling Presse for giving us permission to read Bervin&#39;s poetry aloud. &quot;18&quot; &quot;63&quot; and &quot;64&quot; by Jen Bervin were first published in <em>Nets</em> (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2009).</p>

<p>To purchase <em>Nets</em> please visit <a href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/" rel="nofollow">Ugly Duckling Presse</a>. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin&#39;s incredible book NETS, composed of erasure poems created from the sonnets of Shakespeare.  The erasures are extraordinary--short and moving--and you&#39;ll never see Shakespeare the same way again. We also discuss poetic traditions, and the idea of writing into and over top of what has come before.</p>

<p>For an important essay on the political implications of erasure poetry, please see &quot;<a href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure</a>&quot; by Solmaz Sharif.</p>

<p>For more on Jen Bervin, please visit her website: <a href="http://jenbervin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jenbervin.com/</a></p>

<p>Special thanks this week to Ugly Duckling Presse for giving us permission to read Bervin&#39;s poetry aloud. &quot;18&quot; &quot;63&quot; and &quot;64&quot; by Jen Bervin were first published in <em>Nets</em> (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2009).</p>

<p>To purchase <em>Nets</em> please visit <a href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/" rel="nofollow">Ugly Duckling Presse</a>. </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Jen Bervin Personal Website" rel="nofollow" href="http://jenbervin.com/">Jen Bervin Personal Website</a></li><li><a title="Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jen-bervin">Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets" rel="nofollow" href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/">Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets</a></li><li><a title="Evening Will Come" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html">Evening Will Come</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin&#39;s incredible book NETS, composed of erasure poems created from the sonnets of Shakespeare.  The erasures are extraordinary--short and moving--and you&#39;ll never see Shakespeare the same way again. We also discuss poetic traditions, and the idea of writing into and over top of what has come before.</p>

<p>For an important essay on the political implications of erasure poetry, please see &quot;<a href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure</a>&quot; by Solmaz Sharif.</p>

<p>For more on Jen Bervin, please visit her website: <a href="http://jenbervin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jenbervin.com/</a></p>

<p>Special thanks this week to Ugly Duckling Presse for giving us permission to read Bervin&#39;s poetry aloud. &quot;18&quot; &quot;63&quot; and &quot;64&quot; by Jen Bervin were first published in <em>Nets</em> (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2009).</p>

<p>To purchase <em>Nets</em> please visit <a href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/" rel="nofollow">Ugly Duckling Presse</a>. </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Jen Bervin Personal Website" rel="nofollow" href="http://jenbervin.com/">Jen Bervin Personal Website</a></li><li><a title="Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jen-bervin">Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets" rel="nofollow" href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/">Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets</a></li><li><a title="Evening Will Come" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html">Evening Will Come</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 5: Claude McKay, "America"</title>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss Claude McKay, an influential poet of the Harlem Renaissance, taking a close look at his incredible sonnet "America."</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Claude McKay, an influential poet of the Harlem Renaissance, taking a close look at his incredible sonnet &quot;America.&quot; </p>

<p>For help in our preparations for this podcast, we want to thank Professors Bill Maxwell and Vince Sherry at Washington University in St. Louis, both of whom have often taught Claude McKay and this poem in particular. Bill Maxwell in addition has written extensively on McKay, and we encourage you to look up his work. </p>

<p>For the complete collection of McKay&#39;s poetry, see Bill Maxwell&#39;s edited volume: <br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-American-Poetry-Recovery/dp/0252075900/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=claude+mckay&qid=1601308642&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Claude McKay, Complete Poems</a></p>

<p>And for more information on McKay, please visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/claude-mckay" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>:</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Claude McKay, an influential poet of the Harlem Renaissance, taking a close look at his incredible sonnet &quot;America.&quot; </p>

<p>For help in our preparations for this podcast, we want to thank Professors Bill Maxwell and Vince Sherry at Washington University in St. Louis, both of whom have often taught Claude McKay and this poem in particular. Bill Maxwell in addition has written extensively on McKay, and we encourage you to look up his work. </p>

<p>For the complete collection of McKay&#39;s poetry, see Bill Maxwell&#39;s edited volume: <br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-American-Poetry-Recovery/dp/0252075900/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=claude+mckay&qid=1601308642&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Claude McKay, Complete Poems</a></p>

<p>And for more information on McKay, please visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/claude-mckay" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>:</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Amazon.com: Complete Poems (American Poetry Recovery) (9780252075902): McKay, Claude, Maxwell, William: Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-American-Poetry-Recovery/dp/0252075900/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&amp;keywords=claude+mckay&amp;qid=1601308642&amp;sr=8-2">Amazon.com: Complete Poems (American Poetry Recovery) (9780252075902): McKay, Claude, Maxwell, William: Books</a></li><li><a title="Claude McKay | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/claude-mckay">Claude McKay | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss Claude McKay, an influential poet of the Harlem Renaissance, taking a close look at his incredible sonnet &quot;America.&quot; </p>

<p>For help in our preparations for this podcast, we want to thank Professors Bill Maxwell and Vince Sherry at Washington University in St. Louis, both of whom have often taught Claude McKay and this poem in particular. Bill Maxwell in addition has written extensively on McKay, and we encourage you to look up his work. </p>

<p>For the complete collection of McKay&#39;s poetry, see Bill Maxwell&#39;s edited volume: <br>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-American-Poetry-Recovery/dp/0252075900/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=claude+mckay&qid=1601308642&sr=8-2" rel="nofollow">Claude McKay, Complete Poems</a></p>

<p>And for more information on McKay, please visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/claude-mckay" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>:</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Amazon.com: Complete Poems (American Poetry Recovery) (9780252075902): McKay, Claude, Maxwell, William: Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-American-Poetry-Recovery/dp/0252075900/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&amp;keywords=claude+mckay&amp;qid=1601308642&amp;sr=8-2">Amazon.com: Complete Poems (American Poetry Recovery) (9780252075902): McKay, Claude, Maxwell, William: Books</a></li><li><a title="Claude McKay | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/claude-mckay">Claude McKay | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 4: Shakespeare, Sonnet 18</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we introduce listeners to one of the most resilient forms in English-language poetry: the sonnet. And we do it with one of the most famous sonnets Shakespeare wrote.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>16:12</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we introduce listeners to one of the most resilient forms in English-language poetry: the sonnet. And we do it with one of the most famous sonnets Shakespeare wrote.</p>

<p>For the sonnet in full, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day</a></p>

<p>For helpful works on Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, see:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Sonnets-Yale-Nota-Bene/dp/0300085060" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth&#39;s edition of Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnets</a></p>

<p>and </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Shakespeares-Sonnets-Helen-Vendler/dp/0674637127" rel="nofollow">Helen Vendler&#39;s edition of Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnets</a>.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we introduce listeners to one of the most resilient forms in English-language poetry: the sonnet. And we do it with one of the most famous sonnets Shakespeare wrote.</p>

<p>For the sonnet in full, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day</a></p>

<p>For helpful works on Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, see:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Sonnets-Yale-Nota-Bene/dp/0300085060" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth&#39;s edition of Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnets</a></p>

<p>and </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Shakespeares-Sonnets-Helen-Vendler/dp/0674637127" rel="nofollow">Helen Vendler&#39;s edition of Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnets</a>.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we introduce listeners to one of the most resilient forms in English-language poetry: the sonnet. And we do it with one of the most famous sonnets Shakespeare wrote.</p>

<p>For the sonnet in full, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45087/sonnet-18-shall-i-compare-thee-to-a-summers-day</a></p>

<p>For helpful works on Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, see:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Sonnets-Yale-Nota-Bene/dp/0300085060" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth&#39;s edition of Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnets</a></p>

<p>and </p>

<p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Art-Shakespeares-Sonnets-Helen-Vendler/dp/0674637127" rel="nofollow">Helen Vendler&#39;s edition of Shakespeare&#39;s Sonnets</a>.</p>]]>
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      <title>Episode 3: Phillis Wheatley, On Being Brought from Africa to America</title>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>This episode examines a short, incredible, difficult and important poem by one of the founding figures of African American literary traditions, Phillis Wheatley.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>14:09</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To view the poem, please see: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45465/on-being-brought-from-africa-to-america" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45465/on-being-brought-from-africa-to-america</a></p>

<p>To hear Cornelius Eady reading the poem and discussing it, see here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY</a></p>

<p>For a foundational essay about Phillis Wheatley and her work, please see June Jordan&#39;s essay, &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/68628/the-difficult-miracle-of-black-poetry-in-america" rel="nofollow">The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America</a>.&quot;</p>

<p>For two examples of the way Wheatley has inspired other artists and writers, please see the work of Cornelius Eady and Honoree Fanonne Jeffers.</p>

<p>Eady, &quot;<a href="https://poets.org/poem/diabolic" rel="nofollow">Diabolic</a>&quot;<br>
Eady, &quot;<a href="https://www.harvardreview.org/content/to-phillis-wheatleys-mother/" rel="nofollow">To Phillis Wheatley&#39;s Mother</a>&quot;<br>
Eady, <a href="https://barelysouthreview.com/interview-with-cornelius-eady-interview/" rel="nofollow">Interview</a></p>

<p>Jeffers, <a href="https://www.hfsbooks.com/books/the-age-of-phillis-jeffers/" rel="nofollow">The Age of Phillis</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>18th century, anger, black history month, christianity, hope, rhymed verse, social justice and advocacy, surprise</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>To view the poem, please see: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45465/on-being-brought-from-africa-to-america" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45465/on-being-brought-from-africa-to-america</a></p>

<p>To hear Cornelius Eady reading the poem and discussing it, see here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY</a></p>

<p>For a foundational essay about Phillis Wheatley and her work, please see June Jordan&#39;s essay, &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/68628/the-difficult-miracle-of-black-poetry-in-america" rel="nofollow">The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America</a>.&quot;</p>

<p>For two examples of the way Wheatley has inspired other artists and writers, please see the work of Cornelius Eady and Honoree Fanonne Jeffers.</p>

<p>Eady, &quot;<a href="https://poets.org/poem/diabolic" rel="nofollow">Diabolic</a>&quot;<br>
Eady, &quot;<a href="https://www.harvardreview.org/content/to-phillis-wheatleys-mother/" rel="nofollow">To Phillis Wheatley&#39;s Mother</a>&quot;<br>
Eady, <a href="https://barelysouthreview.com/interview-with-cornelius-eady-interview/" rel="nofollow">Interview</a></p>

<p>Jeffers, <a href="https://www.hfsbooks.com/books/the-age-of-phillis-jeffers/" rel="nofollow">The Age of Phillis</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America… | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/68628/the-difficult-miracle-of-black-poetry-in-america">The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America… | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Cornelius Eady Reading and Discussing Phillis Wheatley&#39;s &quot;On Being Brought from Africa to America&quot; Read by Cornelius Eady - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY">Cornelius Eady Reading and Discussing Phillis Wheatley's "On Being Brought from Africa to America" Read by Cornelius Eady - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Honoree Fanonne Jeffers, The Age of Phillis – HFS Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.hfsbooks.com/books/the-age-of-phillis-jeffers/">Honoree Fanonne Jeffers, The Age of Phillis – HFS Books</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>To view the poem, please see: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45465/on-being-brought-from-africa-to-america" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45465/on-being-brought-from-africa-to-america</a></p>

<p>To hear Cornelius Eady reading the poem and discussing it, see here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY</a></p>

<p>For a foundational essay about Phillis Wheatley and her work, please see June Jordan&#39;s essay, &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/68628/the-difficult-miracle-of-black-poetry-in-america" rel="nofollow">The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America</a>.&quot;</p>

<p>For two examples of the way Wheatley has inspired other artists and writers, please see the work of Cornelius Eady and Honoree Fanonne Jeffers.</p>

<p>Eady, &quot;<a href="https://poets.org/poem/diabolic" rel="nofollow">Diabolic</a>&quot;<br>
Eady, &quot;<a href="https://www.harvardreview.org/content/to-phillis-wheatleys-mother/" rel="nofollow">To Phillis Wheatley&#39;s Mother</a>&quot;<br>
Eady, <a href="https://barelysouthreview.com/interview-with-cornelius-eady-interview/" rel="nofollow">Interview</a></p>

<p>Jeffers, <a href="https://www.hfsbooks.com/books/the-age-of-phillis-jeffers/" rel="nofollow">The Age of Phillis</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America… | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/articles/68628/the-difficult-miracle-of-black-poetry-in-america">The Difficult Miracle of Black Poetry in America… | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Cornelius Eady Reading and Discussing Phillis Wheatley&#39;s &quot;On Being Brought from Africa to America&quot; Read by Cornelius Eady - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QezAVP_HiY">Cornelius Eady Reading and Discussing Phillis Wheatley's "On Being Brought from Africa to America" Read by Cornelius Eady - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Honoree Fanonne Jeffers, The Age of Phillis – HFS Books" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.hfsbooks.com/books/the-age-of-phillis-jeffers/">Honoree Fanonne Jeffers, The Age of Phillis – HFS Books</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode 2: Emily Dickinson, Tell all the truth</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2020 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:subtitle>What does it mean to tell the truth "slant"? Is this a ballad, a hymn? What is "ars poetica" and is this an example? Join us for a discussion of this great, short, fun, rich poem by Dickinson.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>14:13</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56824/tell-all-the-truth-but-tell-it-slant-1263" rel="nofollow">Full poem</a>:</p>

<p>Tell all the truth but tell it slant — (1263)<br>
by Emily Dickinson</p>

<p>Tell all the truth but tell it slant —<br>
Success in Circuit lies<br>
Too bright for our infirm Delight<br>
The Truth&#39;s superb surprise<br>
As Lightning to the Children eased<br>
With explanation kind<br>
The Truth must dazzle gradually<br>
Or every man be blind —</p>

<p>For more on Emily Dickinson, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>19th century, ars poetica, rhymed verse, spirituality, surprise, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56824/tell-all-the-truth-but-tell-it-slant-1263" rel="nofollow">Full poem</a>:</p>

<p>Tell all the truth but tell it slant — (1263)<br>
by Emily Dickinson</p>

<p>Tell all the truth but tell it slant —<br>
Success in Circuit lies<br>
Too bright for our infirm Delight<br>
The Truth&#39;s superb surprise<br>
As Lightning to the Children eased<br>
With explanation kind<br>
The Truth must dazzle gradually<br>
Or every man be blind —</p>

<p>For more on Emily Dickinson, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Emily Dickons, Tell all the truth but tell it slant --" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56824/tell-all-the-truth-but-tell-it-slant-1263">Emily Dickons, Tell all the truth but tell it slant --</a></li><li><a title="Emily Dickinson | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson">Emily Dickinson | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56824/tell-all-the-truth-but-tell-it-slant-1263" rel="nofollow">Full poem</a>:</p>

<p>Tell all the truth but tell it slant — (1263)<br>
by Emily Dickinson</p>

<p>Tell all the truth but tell it slant —<br>
Success in Circuit lies<br>
Too bright for our infirm Delight<br>
The Truth&#39;s superb surprise<br>
As Lightning to the Children eased<br>
With explanation kind<br>
The Truth must dazzle gradually<br>
Or every man be blind —</p>

<p>For more on Emily Dickinson, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Emily Dickons, Tell all the truth but tell it slant --" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/56824/tell-all-the-truth-but-tell-it-slant-1263">Emily Dickons, Tell all the truth but tell it slant --</a></li><li><a title="Emily Dickinson | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/emily-dickinson">Emily Dickinson | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/Diaz.html" role="host">Joanne Diaz</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://english.wustl.edu/people/abram-van-engen" role="host">Abram Van Engen</podcast:person>
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      <title>Episode 1: Seamus Heaney, Digging</title>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>vanengen@wustl.edu (Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen)</author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We begin Poetry for All by teaching and talking about a great poem on poetry itself: Seamus Heaney's "Digging."</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:duration>14:44</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we begin learning about poetry through Seamus Heaney&#39;s great poem &quot;Digging.&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Heaney&#39;s poem, please see: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging</a></p>

<p>To hear Seamus Heaney reading this poem himself, please see: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg</a></p>

<p>For more on Seamus Heaney, please visit: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>20th century, ars poetica, free verse, laborers, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we begin learning about poetry through Seamus Heaney&#39;s great poem &quot;Digging.&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Heaney&#39;s poem, please see: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging</a></p>

<p>To hear Seamus Heaney reading this poem himself, please see: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg</a></p>

<p>For more on Seamus Heaney, please visit: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Digging by Seamus Heaney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging">Digging by Seamus Heaney | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Seamus Heaney reading &quot;Digging&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg">Seamus Heaney reading "Digging"</a></li><li><a title="More on Seamus Heaney" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney">More on Seamus Heaney</a></li><li><a title="Seamus Heaney, Death of a Naturalist" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.com/Death-Naturalist-Poetry-Seamus-Heaney/dp/0571230830">Seamus Heaney, Death of a Naturalist</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we begin learning about poetry through Seamus Heaney&#39;s great poem &quot;Digging.&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Heaney&#39;s poem, please see: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging</a></p>

<p>To hear Seamus Heaney reading this poem himself, please see: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg</a></p>

<p>For more on Seamus Heaney, please visit: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Digging by Seamus Heaney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47555/digging">Digging by Seamus Heaney | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Seamus Heaney reading &quot;Digging&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRkPU1LSUg">Seamus Heaney reading "Digging"</a></li><li><a title="More on Seamus Heaney" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney">More on Seamus Heaney</a></li><li><a title="Seamus Heaney, Death of a Naturalist" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amazon.com/Death-Naturalist-Poetry-Seamus-Heaney/dp/0571230830">Seamus Heaney, Death of a Naturalist</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <podcast:person email="" href="https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/Diaz.html" role="host">Joanne Diaz</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person email="" href="https://english.wustl.edu/people/abram-van-engen" role="host">Abram Van Engen</podcast:person>
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